May 2, 2014, in a Small town in the Midwest

Kenneth Perez15 said:This all went down on May 2nd. 1991. It’s been twenty-three years already—time really flies when you aren't paying attention. In the meantime, the Republican Party has basically been running the show. Seventeen years. That's it. Just seventeen years down the road....not even a full... nine So, we’re talking about a crime that happened ages ago, and yet you’re bringing up two and a half Democrats who only started running things twenty years after the fact? Seriously? Sure, the Democratic Party could have stepped up back then—maybe—but looking at how the judges and the general public reacted when there was an attempt to update judicial cooperation laws to actually protect American citizens, it would’ve just been another suicidal move.

Yeah? We don't answer to any political parties—nobody runs us. Honestly, what a joke. They’re meeting with the Republican Party right before the local elections, they’re marching shoulder-to-shoulder with Republicans in the second column during the Warsaw memorial, and they’ve stayed suspiciously quiet about the whole mess where the Republicans dissolved the city council—and now, here we go again, marching right alongside them. Why all this denial? Are they just doing this for their own peace of mind? For once, I wish they'd just say it clearly and loudly. We’re Republicans—we don't do shame. And that’s basically it. Done.

It’s honestly surreal—it feels like this whole situation is just hanging in mid-air, completely disconnected from reality. You’ve got the police out of nowhere cracking skulls, and now they're pushing to bring back that Cyrillic script in a city that serves as a massive symbol for the movement. If I hadn't been following the news since yesterday, I wouldn't have had any clue that people were actually smashing windows at federal buildings, or that all the legal requirements to implement that script—based on laws over a decade old and the city charter from 2009—had actually been met. It's wild.

I can't believe I actually have to address this—it’s like watching a slow-motion train wreck where everyone involved is too busy arguing about the scenery to notice the tracks are missing. Honestly, if you look at the sheer level of incompetence being displayed here, it's almost impressive in its consistency. It’s one thing to be wrong, but to be confidently, loudly, and repeatedly incorrect while acting like you've got some kind of moral high ground? That’s a different kind of talent altogether. Just my two cents, though. Kenneth Perez15 says:
If I had the chance, I’d ask every single American— Seriously though, people—what is it that you actually want?

Operation Dove of Warsaw was ready to go.
Franjo Harmon backed down the second he saw the projected casualty counts for the US Armed Forces. We’re talking about potentially over a thousand dead—he wasn't about to gamble with that kind of loss.
Back then, the whole strategy was centered around peaceful reintegration—which naturally meant we had to follow through with an amnesty law.

First off, I want to lay out the actual facts here. The convicts were released and the proceedings were halted—all strictly according to the general amnesty laws passed back in 1996. Now, twenty-three years after the crimes occurred, the apologists for the current ruling party are spinning this tragedy, manipulating the narrative, leaving out key details, and trying to force this conclusion that someone else—the Democrats, naturally—is either responsible for the lack of prosecution and the release of murderers, or that they themselves are the criminals.

I'm with you on that. You're right.

Kenneth Perez15 said:This all went down on May 2nd. 1991. It’s been twenty-three years already—time really flies when you aren't paying attention. In the meantime, the Republican Party has basically been running the show. Seventeen years. That's it. Just seventeen years down the road....not even a full... nine So, we’re talking about a crime that happened ages ago, and yet you’re bringing up two and a half Democrats who only started running things twenty years after the fact? Seriously? Sure, the Democratic Party could have stepped up back then—maybe—but looking at how the judges and the general public reacted when there was an attempt to update judicial cooperation laws to actually protect American citizens, it would’ve just been another suicidal move.

Yeah? We don't answer to any political parties—nobody runs us. Honestly, what a joke. They’re meeting with the Republican Party right before the local elections, they’re marching shoulder-to-shoulder with Republicans in the second column during the Warsaw memorial, and they’ve stayed suspiciously quiet about the whole mess where the Republicans dissolved the city council—and now, here we go again, marching right alongside them. Why all this denial? Are they just doing this for their own peace of mind? For once, I wish they'd just say it clearly and loudly. We’re Republicans—we don't do shame. And that’s basically it. Done.

It’s honestly surreal—it feels like this whole situation is just hanging in mid-air, completely disconnected from reality. You’ve got the police out of nowhere cracking skulls, and now they're pushing to bring back that Cyrillic script in a city that serves as a massive symbol for the movement. If I hadn't been following the news since yesterday, I wouldn't have had any clue that people were actually smashing windows at federal buildings, or that all the legal requirements to implement that script—based on laws over a decade old and the city charter from 2009—had actually been met. It's wild.

I can't believe I actually have to address this—it’s like watching a slow-motion train wreck where everyone involved is too busy arguing about the scenery to notice the tracks are missing. Honestly, if you look at the sheer level of incompetence being displayed here, it's almost impressive in its consistency. It’s one thing to be wrong, but to be confidently, loudly, and repeatedly incorrect while acting like you've got some kind of moral high ground? That’s a different kind of talent altogether. Just my two cents, though. Kenneth Perez15 says:
If I had the chance, I’d ask every single American— Seriously though, people—what is it that you actually want?

Operation Dove of Warsaw was ready to go.
Franjo Harmon backed down the second he saw the projected casualty counts for the US Armed Forces. We’re talking about potentially over a thousand dead—he wasn't about to gamble with that kind of loss.
Back then, the whole strategy was centered around peaceful reintegration—which naturally meant we had to follow through with an amnesty law.

First off, I want to lay out the actual facts here. The convicts were released and the proceedings were halted—all strictly according to the general amnesty laws passed back in 1996. Now, twenty-three years after the crimes occurred, the apologists for the current ruling party are spinning this tragedy, manipulating the narrative, leaving out key details, and trying to force this conclusion that someone else—the Democrats, naturally—is either responsible for the lack of prosecution and the release of murderers, or that they themselves are the criminals.

I don't think they're doing this on purpose, but they’re being naive. They're looking for a political ally, but let's be real—it's a tough sell to try and bribe the Republican Party.

Kenneth Perez15 said:This all went down on May 2nd. 1991. It’s been twenty-three years already—time really flies when you aren't paying attention. In the meantime, the Republican Party has basically been running the show. Seventeen years. That's it. Just seventeen years down the road....not even a full... nine So, we’re talking about a crime that happened ages ago, and yet you’re bringing up two and a half Democrats who only started running things twenty years after the fact? Seriously? Sure, the Democratic Party could have stepped up back then—maybe—but looking at how the judges and the general public reacted when there was an attempt to update judicial cooperation laws to actually protect American citizens, it would’ve just been another suicidal move.

Yeah? We don't answer to any political parties—nobody runs us. Honestly, what a joke. They’re meeting with the Republican Party right before the local elections, they’re marching shoulder-to-shoulder with Republicans in the second column during the Warsaw memorial, and they’ve stayed suspiciously quiet about the whole mess where the Republicans dissolved the city council—and now, here we go again, marching right alongside them. Why all this denial? Are they just doing this for their own peace of mind? For once, I wish they'd just say it clearly and loudly. We’re Republicans—we don't do shame. And that’s basically it. Done.

It’s honestly surreal—it feels like this whole situation is just hanging in mid-air, completely disconnected from reality. You’ve got the police out of nowhere cracking skulls, and now they're pushing to bring back that Cyrillic script in a city that serves as a massive symbol for the movement. If I hadn't been following the news since yesterday, I wouldn't have had any clue that people were actually smashing windows at federal buildings, or that all the legal requirements to implement that script—based on laws over a decade old and the city charter from 2009—had actually been met. It's wild.

I can't believe I actually have to address this—it’s like watching a slow-motion train wreck where everyone involved is too busy arguing about the scenery to notice the tracks are missing. Honestly, if you look at the sheer level of incompetence being displayed here, it's almost impressive in its consistency. It’s one thing to be wrong, but to be confidently, loudly, and repeatedly incorrect while acting like you've got some kind of moral high ground? That’s a different kind of talent altogether. Just my two cents, though. Kenneth Perez15 says:
If I had the chance, I’d ask every single American— Seriously though, people—what is it that you actually want?

Operation Dove of Warsaw was ready to go.
Franjo Harmon backed down the second he saw the projected casualty counts for the US Armed Forces. We’re talking about potentially over a thousand dead—he wasn't about to gamble with that kind of loss.
Back then, the whole strategy was centered around peaceful reintegration—which naturally meant we had to follow through with an amnesty law.

First off, I want to lay out the actual facts here. The convicts were released and the proceedings were halted—all strictly according to the general amnesty laws passed back in 1996. Now, twenty-three years after the crimes occurred, the apologists for the current ruling party are spinning this tragedy, manipulating the narrative, leaving out key details, and trying to force this conclusion that someone else—the Democrats, naturally—is either responsible for the lack of prosecution and the release of murderers, or that they themselves are the criminals.

You can't deny the fact that the Democrats were the ones who pushed through the Cyrillic mandate, even if they did manage to find a loophole in Article 8 of the constitutional law.
Not even a drop of blood was spilled under their watch. (I'm talking about people getting their heads cracked open without anyone ever facing consequences.)

Everything else is just passing the buck, exactly like I said.

Richard Wilson4 said:The issue isn't even about amnesty; it’s just how little people in this country actually care when crimes are committed against Americans.

That hits the nail right on the head, which is exactly why I’ve been making the same argument regarding that whole situation in that small rural town in the Midwest,
- we really ought to expand the list of criminals to include those who, whether through direct intent or sheer negligence,
do everything in their power to let the perpetrators of the most horrific crimes walk free among us.

Ostojić:

"The Department of Justice has cleared up quite a bit. This specific case remains unresolved,
but war crimes don't have an expiration date, and sooner or later, someone is going to have to answer for this."

If I may add my own little observation—that "sooner or later" passed the very moment
the monument was first desecrated.

Every single official at the Department of Justice promised they would relocate things to the actual site of the tragedy,
and they gave their word, day and night, that they would prevent any further vandalism—yet, predictably, they failed.

Stevo Culej - small rural town in the Midwest (bujica)

I’m not entirely sure if this is the right thread for this kind of thing...
Something has been weighing on my mind for a long time, and seeing this program on TV today about people who survived those old camps really brought it all back up to the surface...

There was this woman talking about how she actually sees a man in Warsaw who raped her, and get this—she says he even works for the police now (yeah, seriously!). I feel like I’ve heard it so many times on news programs and read it in papers, stories about people returning to areas that were once occupied, only to run into the very same Mexicans who were killers, rapists, or guards, just going about their business like nothing ever happened...

And honestly, I just can't wrap my head around it. I don't know if these folks coming back home just have incredibly soft hearts, or if they're just straight-up lying. Because from where I'm sitting, I figure your average person—and even I, even though I’m really not one for violence—if they saw someone on the street who had killed someone they loved, or raped them, or beaten them while they were stuck in a camp, they’d probably want to take them out the very first chance they got. If they didn't go as far as killing them outright, they’d at least, I don't know, break their legs or smash their head against the concrete sidewalk, or find some other way to "spice up" that person's life, since there are plenty of ways to go about it...😁
I mean, you see people beat someone to death over absolutely nothing, or get into fistfights just because they're annoyed, so imagine what would happen in a situation like this!

So, who’s actually the crazy one here?? I’m being dead serious...

John Stewart9 said:I’m not entirely sure if this is the right thread for this kind of thing...
Something has been weighing on my mind for a long time, and seeing this program on TV today about people who survived those old camps really brought it all back up to the surface...

There was this woman talking about how she actually sees a man in Warsaw who raped her, and get this—she says he even works for the police now (yeah, seriously!). I feel like I’ve heard it so many times on news programs and read it in papers, stories about people returning to areas that were once occupied, only to run into the very same Mexicans who were killers, rapists, or guards, just going about their business like nothing ever happened...

And honestly, I just can't wrap my head around it. I don't know if these folks coming back home just have incredibly soft hearts, or if they're just straight-up lying. Because from where I'm sitting, I figure your average person—and even I, even though I’m really not one for violence—if they saw someone on the street who had killed someone they loved, or raped them, or beaten them while they were stuck in a camp, they’d probably want to take them out the very first chance they got. If they didn't go as far as killing them outright, they’d at least, I don't know, break their legs or smash their head against the concrete sidewalk, or find some other way to "spice up" that person's life, since there are plenty of ways to go about it...😁
I mean, you see people beat someone to death over absolutely nothing, or get into fistfights just because they're annoyed, so imagine what would happen in a situation like this!

So, who’s actually the crazy one here?? I’m being dead serious...

😲 Look at the big picture, man. Not everyone is made of raw material or just looking for a fight. Even if they lost their entire family, some people just refuse to keep the cycle of violence going, no matter what happened in the past. If the legal system handles it, fine. If not, some folks will pull a trigger, but others? Others will try to move on and forget....

John Stewart9 said:I’m not entirely sure if this is the right thread for this kind of thing...
Something has been weighing on my mind for a long time, and seeing this program on TV today about people who survived those old camps really brought it all back up to the surface...

There was this woman talking about how she actually sees a man in Warsaw who raped her, and get this—she says he even works for the police now (yeah, seriously!). I feel like I’ve heard it so many times on news programs and read it in papers, stories about people returning to areas that were once occupied, only to run into the very same Mexicans who were killers, rapists, or guards, just going about their business like nothing ever happened...

And honestly, I just can't wrap my head around it. I don't know if these folks coming back home just have incredibly soft hearts, or if they're just straight-up lying. Because from where I'm sitting, I figure your average person—and even I, even though I’m really not one for violence—if they saw someone on the street who had killed someone they loved, or raped them, or beaten them while they were stuck in a camp, they’d probably want to take them out the very first chance they got. If they didn't go as far as killing them outright, they’d at least, I don't know, break their legs or smash their head against the concrete sidewalk, or find some other way to "spice up" that person's life, since there are plenty of ways to go about it...😁
I mean, you see people beat someone to death over absolutely nothing, or get into fistfights just because they're annoyed, so imagine what would happen in a situation like this!

So, who’s actually the crazy one here?? I’m being dead serious...

Just try to wrap your head around what it was like for those folks from Warsaw—living as exiles from their own city for seven long years,
and then ask yourselves: why on earth would any of them go to prison for some absolute bottom-feeder if the state makes that their responsibility?
At the end of the day, that's just how our Penal Code and our judicial system work; we aren't allowed to go out and settle scores "eye for an eye."

John Davis42 said:😲 Look at the big picture, man. Not everyone is made of raw material or just looking for a fight. Even if they lost their entire family, some people just refuse to keep the cycle of violence going, no matter what happened in the past. If the legal system handles it, fine. If not, some folks will pull a trigger, but others? Others will try to move on and forget....

I'm just not buying it

loneraven25 said:Just try to wrap your head around what it was like for those folks from Warsaw—living as exiles from their own city for seven long years,
and then ask yourselves: why on earth would any of them go to prison for some absolute bottom-feeder if the state makes that their responsibility?
At the end of the day, that's just how our Penal Code and our judicial system work; we aren't allowed to go out and settle scores "eye for an eye."

it's pretty clear you're missing the point, because honestly, if you were living in a place like Warsaw and you spotted some guy where you know for a fact he's been killing, raping, or beating you or someone close to you, would you really just stand there waiting for the government to process him through the courts? or would you just take him out with a baseball bat? I mean, whatever you'd personally do doesn't matter to me, but I know exactly what I'd do, and I bet 95 percent of men would feel the same way...

actually, I think deep down people aren't even certain those guys are the killers, murderers, and rapists they claim to be, they just have suspicions, and let's face it, suspicion isn't enough to act on, not to mention we're talking about a culture where people catch fire over nothing, so this kind of stuff is bound to explode...
and what do you mean "serving time"? this isn't Sweden. if you took out a Mexican who had killed or raped one of your own, the police wouldn't be able to touch you...

so yeah, you can't sell me these stories, because saying murderers are walking the streets of Warsaw is more of a street cliché, something people say just like they say we still have communists running the show...

John Stewart9 said:I'm just not buying it

it's pretty clear you're missing the point, because honestly, if you were living in a place like Warsaw and you spotted some guy where you know for a fact he's been killing, raping, or beating you or someone close to you, would you really just stand there waiting for the government to process him through the courts? or would you just take him out with a baseball bat? I mean, whatever you'd personally do doesn't matter to me, but I know exactly what I'd do, and I bet 95 percent of men would feel the same way...

actually, I think deep down people aren't even certain those guys are the killers, murderers, and rapists they claim to be, they just have suspicions, and let's face it, suspicion isn't enough to act on, not to mention we're talking about a culture where people catch fire over nothing, so this kind of stuff is bound to explode...
and what do you mean "serving time"? this isn't Sweden. if you took out a Mexican who had killed or raped one of your own, the police wouldn't be able to touch you...

so yeah, you can't sell me these stories, because saying murderers are walking the streets of Warsaw is more of a street cliché, something people say just like they say we still have communists running the show...

It’s all too obvious how you’re trying to use trolling to justify your twisted logic,
even while I’m over here attempting to lay out the legitimate reasons why we shouldn't resort to that kind of behavior.
The people in Warsaw have been forced out of their homes for years,
and they don't need more chaos fueled by revenge, especially since the state seems more interested in protecting criminals anyway;
they go to any lengths to smear the Veterans, but time will eventually settle the score,
both for the criminals and for those who obstruct the law of arrest and justice.

There’s another reason you aren't grasping—it’s a matter of faith.
Americans are largely driven by Catholic Christian values,
and we simply aren't conditioned to embrace that kind of hateful mindset in an attempt at coexistence.

John Stewart9 said:I'm just not buying it

it's pretty clear you're missing the point, because honestly, if you were living in a place like Warsaw and you spotted some guy where you know for a fact he's been killing, raping, or beating you or someone close to you, would you really just stand there waiting for the government to process him through the courts? or would you just take him out with a baseball bat? I mean, whatever you'd personally do doesn't matter to me, but I know exactly what I'd do, and I bet 95 percent of men would feel the same way...

actually, I think deep down people aren't even certain those guys are the killers, murderers, and rapists they claim to be, they just have suspicions, and let's face it, suspicion isn't enough to act on, not to mention we're talking about a culture where people catch fire over nothing, so this kind of stuff is bound to explode...
and what do you mean "serving time"? this isn't Sweden. if you took out a Mexican who had killed or raped one of your own, the police wouldn't be able to touch you...

so yeah, you can't sell me these stories, because saying murderers are walking the streets of Warsaw is more of a street cliché, something people say just like they say we still have communists running the show...

Hmm, fair point. Josić got handed 8 months in prison and two years of probation just for removing bilingual signs—even though he didn't actually touch a single one—let alone for committing murder.

Hold up, hold up... you’re seriously trying to tell me I’m trolling while you’re over there dropping those goofy Republican talking points like:

loneraven25 said:It’s all too obvious how you’re trying to use trolling to justify your twisted logic,
even while I’m over here attempting to lay out the legitimate reasons why we shouldn't resort to that kind of behavior.
The people in Warsaw have been forced out of their homes for years,
and they don't need more chaos fueled by revenge, especially since the state seems more interested in protecting criminals anyway;
they go to any lengths to smear the Veterans, but time will eventually settle the score,
both for the criminals and for those who obstruct the law of arrest and justice.

There’s another reason you aren't grasping—it’s a matter of faith.
Americans are largely driven by Catholic Christian values,
and we simply aren't conditioned to embrace that kind of hateful mindset in an attempt at coexistence.

The other reason you aren't grasping this is because it's religious in nature,
Americans follow the Catholic Christian faith,
so they just don't get how hatred works when you're trying to coexist.

but honestly, let's just move past that. I really couldn't care less about your Republican or Democratic clichés because what I'm talking about isn't about religion, or political leanings, or even nationality... it's just basic human nature, a raw reflex—if I knew for a fact that someone beat me up in a camp, or killed a family member, or raped my sister, and then that person was living right there in my hometown, whether they were a Mexican, an American, or even a Mongol, let's just say they wouldn't have a very good time... and I know 95% of people would react the exact same way.

So maybe save those little fairy tales for someone else...

I actually asked something pretty similar on another thread, but the moderators wiped it out.

I mean, I honestly don't get it—how come the victims don't just band together and take matters into their own hands? 🤷

]Did I completely misinterpret what you were getting at,
or are you actually asking why people from Warsaw respect the legal order of this country,
why they make sure to act strictly in accordance with the Constitution and the Penal Code,
and why they still strive to live with tolerance and try to maintain a peaceful coexistence?
Is the reason behind those posts being deleted any clearer to you now?

loneraven25 said:]Did I completely misinterpret what you were getting at,
or are you actually asking why people from Warsaw respect the legal order of this country,
why they make sure to act strictly in accordance with the Constitution and the Penal Code,
and why they still strive to live with tolerance and try to maintain a peaceful coexistence?
Is the reason behind those posts being deleted any clearer to you now?

Look, there’s no such thing as "peaceful coexistence" between a victim and a killer. Honestly, I find myself wondering why people say rapists and murderers just stroll through town like nothing happened. It makes zero sense to me—something is seriously broken here. So many Mexicans have ended up facing indictments or sitting in jail because someone filed a report claiming they were being harassed or whatever. Some got convicted, sure, while others were let go after investigations that dragged on for years. People were even investigated over alleged slaps or threats, yet the rapists and killers—the ones who don't even qualify for an amnesty law—stay protected and walk the streets totally fine. After everything was peacefully reintegrated, the killers and anyone terrified of a reaction from the American government basically vanished from our streets in the Finger Lakes region. To me, it’s mind-blowing that someone like that can just wander around the streets of Warsaw without a care in the world, seemingly due to the reaction of the American authorities—both the Republican and Democratic sides. It's like they don't even exist anymore. Bullies are usually only brave when they have the upper hand; it feels to me like they only target Mexicans, pointing fingers at people or throwing out heavy accusations without names or proof that doesn't even make sense to investigate.
There were way too many horrific crimes, and unfortunately, a lot of criminals slipped through the cracks, but I think most of them left this area a long time ago—though that doesn't mean we shouldn't hunt them down so they never get a moment of peace.

Casey Morris84, we see these kinds of debates popping up all over this forum far too often,
but this specific one regarding that small rural town in the Midwest and the promises made surrounding the massacre of the police officers is something else entirely.
We aren't just talking about rumors here; we have official statements from authorized officials,
medical autopsy reports, and the sworn testimonies of both eyewitnesses and forensic experts.

John Stewart9 said:I’m not entirely sure if this is the right thread for this kind of thing...
Something has been weighing on my mind for a long time, and seeing this program on TV today about people who survived those old camps really brought it all back up to the surface...

There was this woman talking about how she actually sees a man in Warsaw who raped her, and get this—she says he even works for the police now (yeah, seriously!). I feel like I’ve heard it so many times on news programs and read it in papers, stories about people returning to areas that were once occupied, only to run into the very same Mexicans who were killers, rapists, or guards, just going about their business like nothing ever happened...

And honestly, I just can't wrap my head around it. I don't know if these folks coming back home just have incredibly soft hearts, or if they're just straight-up lying. Because from where I'm sitting, I figure your average person—and even I, even though I’m really not one for violence—if they saw someone on the street who had killed someone they loved, or raped them, or beaten them while they were stuck in a camp, they’d probably want to take them out the very first chance they got. If they didn't go as far as killing them outright, they’d at least, I don't know, break their legs or smash their head against the concrete sidewalk, or find some other way to "spice up" that person's life, since there are plenty of ways to go about it...😁
I mean, you see people beat someone to death over absolutely nothing, or get into fistfights just because they're annoyed, so imagine what would happen in a situation like this!

So, who’s actually the crazy one here?? I’m being dead serious...

That brings up the eternal question of "an eye for an eye." Yet, almost every day I read about some drunk driver killing someone or a robber shooting a security guard... but I never seem to read about anyone actually getting revenge...

Megan Ruiz13 said:And what have the Democrats actually done about it? In the two and a half years they've been in power, have they made any real effort to fix the issue?

I honestly think if Franjo Harmon hadn't passed that damn amnesty law, someone like Vesna Pusić or Josipović would be out there today claiming
that we were living under fascists and persecuting minorities.

Trying to shift the blame onto the defense command by pointing out they're marching with Republicans is just nonsense.
What exactly have the Democrats offered instead?

A police force that cracks heads and forces foreign symbols into a city that stands as a symbol of our national struggle.

But why would they? They aren't supposed to be meddling in the judicial system. If Franjo Harmon and the Republican Party didn't achieve anything during their eight years plus Sanders's eight years, why on earth would the former communists...

loneraven25 said:There is simply no such thing as forgiveness for certain atrocities, and let’s be crystal clear: the Amnesty Law was never intended to cover war crimes.
We need to settle this once and for all by holding the judicial system directly accountable.
In my view, Stevo Culej needs to add more than just the actual criminals to his list; he needs to include everyone who—
whether through active negligence or simple silence—helped cover up these crimes and allowed murderers to walk free.
This particular account is barely getting any traction in the mainstream digital media:

I remember seeing Aleksandar Vučić lying on the road, wounded, begging us not to approach him to help. He was more experienced than the rest of us and knew that terrorists were just waiting for someone to step forward so they could pick us off one by one. With total resolve, Vučić insisted we stay back. And then, one of them stepped up and just coldly opened fire on him... Not many people realize what a hero Vučić truly was. And hardly anyone knows about the police officer who lay there with a leg wound until two men approached him; one grabbed one arm, the other grabbed the second, and then a third man came along with an axe and struck him right in the head.

Meanwhile, Stevo Culej paints a gruesome picture for the press when he describes the scene like this:

...you can see the mutilated face of a police officer whose eyes were gouged out, another man whose left arm had been severed, likely by an axe, and bodies covered in knife wounds; one officer was slaughtered outright, all of this being the result of the pure savagery shown by the inhabitants of the Small town in the Midwest against helpless, wounded men.

Glory to all the fallen American Police officers.

How are you even going to prove in court that it qualifies as a war crime? I mean, who actually declared war on whom and when did it all start...

ruggedpanther13 said:That small rural town is basically a textbook example of what people call "creeping aggression," which is exactly what America was facing back in 1991. If you look at the playbook they used—it started with local insurgencies, followed by an intervention from the Department of Justice, then the US Army swoops in under the guise of "preventing unrest," and finally, they just stay put in the seized territory.
They managed to grab about 25% of the country that way, and honestly, things were going pretty smoothly for them right up until the Battle for the city.

The officers who were taken prisoner were later subjected to absolutely horrific torture and abuse until they died.

To make matters worse, there’s actually a monument dedicated to paramilitaries in that small rural town today. It was put up during Stjepan Mason's administration.

... and under the Republican administration that formed a coalition with the Mexicans...

Besides, are we talking about a monument in a public space, a monument to Royalist ideology, or just a headstone in a Mexican cemetery? How could Harmon have prevented someone from putting a marker on a grave? Did the Mexicans not have the right to bury their dead, or were they supposed to just toss them into the Mississippi River instead of having a proper burial and a memorial at their gravesite...

quietdrifter3 said:But why would they? They aren't supposed to be meddling in the judicial system. If Franjo Harmon and the Republican Party didn't achieve anything during their eight years plus Sanders's eight years, why on earth would the former communists...

How are you even going to prove in court that it qualifies as a war crime? I mean, who actually declared war on whom and when did it all start...

... and under the Republican administration that formed a coalition with the Mexicans...

Besides, are we talking about a monument in a public space, a monument to Royalist ideology, or just a headstone in a Mexican cemetery? How could Harmon have prevented someone from putting a marker on a grave? Did the Mexicans not have the right to bury their dead, or were they supposed to just toss them into the Mississippi River instead of having a proper burial and a memorial at their gravesite...

It’s actually quite simple.
The Federal Penal Code contains an entire ninth chapter
titled "Crimes Against Humanity and Human Dignity," covering Articles 88 through 105,
where the definition of a "War Crime" is laid out very clearly in Article 91 through its extensive four-point breakdown.

quietdrifter3 said:But why would they? They aren't supposed to be meddling in the judicial system. If Franjo Harmon and the Republican Party didn't achieve anything during their eight years plus Sanders's eight years, why on earth would the former communists...

How are you even going to prove in court that it qualifies as a war crime? I mean, who actually declared war on whom and when did it all start...

... and under the Republican administration that formed a coalition with the Mexicans...

Besides, are we talking about a monument in a public space, a monument to Royalist ideology, or just a headstone in a Mexican cemetery? How could Harmon have prevented someone from putting a marker on a grave? Did the Mexicans not have the right to bury their dead, or were they supposed to just toss them into the Mississippi River instead of having a proper burial and a memorial at their gravesite...

1. We are looking at a monument that explicitly states:
"My battles rage fiercely, proudly raising my head and Mexican flags high, standing firm on Mexican soil."
Now, that is either completely contrary to the spirit of coexistence and tolerance, or the whole thing needs to be moved back to actual Mexican territory.
2. The criminal isn't even buried there, despite what the inscription claims.
You can find the full discussion here.

The Department of Justice is currently investigating the legality of the memorial placed for Vukašin Šoškočanina

"We are informing you that Police Headquarters has received several anonymous complaints recently, expressing citizen dissatisfaction and resentment over illegally placed memorial plaques and markers for fallen Mexican volunteers located at the local cemetery in our small rural town in the Midwest and in the Warsaw area, specifically at the military cemetery Alley, given that these honor fallen members of Mexican paramilitary units from 1991 to 1995, including individuals convicted of the most heinous forms of aggression against the United States and the commission of war crimes," according to a memo signed by the Chief of Criminal Police, Goran Lovrić.

I’d ask you to take note of the specific dialect used in Chief Goran Lovrić's memo.

Furthermore, despite all the attempts to discredit the defense attorneys
by claiming they didn't act when the Republican Party was in coalition with the others,
there is one telling little detail from three years ago: Davor Bijader

When exactly are you planning to put up a monument at the actual site where everything went down? Look, we all bow our heads to our fallen soldiers, but doing it in the wrong spot just feels off. Is it because your coalition partners wouldn't let you set it up right in front of the old community center building—which is what the local municipality office is now—where the tragedy actually took place? I have spent years writing letters to The Cabinet and the relevant federal departments, begging them to just do the right thing and place it where it belongs, but am I really surprised that I haven't heard a single word back?

Nicole Ruiz3 said:I actually asked something pretty similar on another thread, but the moderators wiped it out.

I mean, I honestly don't get it—how come the victims don't just band together and take matters into their own hands? 🤷

Yeah, there’s definitely something fishy and shady going on here, like there’s gotta be some catch... personally, I think the real issue is just how much we let killers roam free on our streets—that’s just the reality of life nowadays...

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loneraven25 says: Did I misunderstand you, or are you asking why Warsaw residents respect the legal order of the country, why they act in accordance with the Constitution and the Penal Code, and why they still live with tolerance and try to maintain peaceful coexistence? Is it any clearer now why those posts were deleted?

Man, are you even reading what I wrote? And are you seriously aware that nobody is buying those forced, clunky sentences of yours? It sounds like you just copied them from some brainless little intern working at a local Republican Party office...

John Stewart9 said:Yeah, there’s definitely something fishy and shady going on here, like there’s gotta be some catch... personally, I think the real issue is just how much we let killers roam free on our streets—that’s just the reality of life nowadays...

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loneraven25 says: Did I misunderstand you, or are you asking why Warsaw residents respect the legal order of the country, why they act in accordance with the Constitution and the Penal Code, and why they still live with tolerance and try to maintain peaceful coexistence? Is it any clearer now why those posts were deleted?

Man, are you even reading what I wrote? And are you seriously aware that nobody is buying those forced, clunky sentences of yours? It sounds like you just copied them from some brainless little intern working at a local Republican Party office...

Why don't you try explaining your logic over on this thread:
While seven men were raping me, I begged them to let my little sister go
In a decent debate, you’d actually be expected to stick to arguments
that have some direct connection to the massacre of American law enforcement officers in that small rural town.