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Betty Ramos Betty Ramos Member
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#81 ·
Casey Gomez said:The core issue here is essentially how far an individual intends to push their own self-development and spirituality, versus how much they settle for frivolous, fleeting quick fixes—those superficial religious veneers and New Age recipes typically cobbled together from religious or psychoanalytic theories dressed up in naive semantics.
The term "spirituality" itself, which relies on spirit as its central motif, ideologically implies a counterpoint to materialism; it suggests non-substantialism. In nearly all religious texts, the imperative to renounce material wealth emerges as a necessity for the spiritual and secular lives of religious figures—essentially acting as an idealistic paradigm.
Such a demand placed upon a human being stands in direct opposition to our innate nature, which is defined by the permanent attempt to satisfy our own internal voids. As one philosopher clarified, the very existence of passion is a clear indicator that human reality is one of scarcity. It is an unquenchable scarcity that easily devolves into compensation through extreme forms of human gratification, manifesting as blind greed and hatred.
Thus, it is clear that in the struggle against our own animality, man must sacrifice his inherent inclination toward materialism to slowly ascend toward, say, the divine, in order to reach what is ultimately a true ordering of reality. Truth is ugly, according to N.

However, it is difficult to realize this imperative *a priori*, and even harder to abandon the psychological primacy through which we live our lives: our instincts.
The reward is hazy; the state of consciousness belonging to a sublime spirit is an intangible unknown that cannot be pursued if one isn't even aware of its existence.

It is obvious that such a philosophy cannot be contemplated unless it is lived. It requires a different worldview, a different tuning of the nervous system—something that seems impossible to the average person. This requires either an innate quality or circumstances driven by a certain destined force.
Our needs and desires are, even historically speaking, replaceable as momentary pursuits. It would be absurd to suggest that a modern person wants exactly what an 18th-century resident wanted, such as a new carriage and a horse. Yet, that was just as much of a struggle for them as a luxury car is for someone today.

So, who is truly prepared to sublimate nature—that nature whose enchanting, scenic beauty we admire—while beneath our feet, a dramatically fatal and relentless war plays out as a compensation for the eternal deficiency felt by those who live?

An ambitious man who works for hours just to enjoy wealth still represents the ideal of human will and struggle, but can he simultaneously enjoy his entire estate in the same way a higher spirit can enjoy the entirety of its own hard-won, superhuman consciousness?

I’d find it fascinating to observe someone who has never heard a single word or read a single sentence about "That Something"—what would their pursuit of that Higher Truth actually look like? (There are plenty of people out there, I suppose, but if they aren't consuming any information regarding this topic amidst today's constant digital noise, then perhaps their spirit is being pulled toward something entirely different... making them irrelevant to this specific conversation.) And would such a person even exist? Or would they live more like a Native American—the way I imagine them, anyway—simply existing within Nature, living in harmony with it, and learning directly from it? They wouldn't dream of "self-improvement"; they would just... improve. We’ve all spent our lives reading and listening to everything under the sun, filling ourselves up with both garbage and flowers—and you can't just hit an eraser on all that mental clutter, no matter how much useless junk we accumulate along the way. But at the same time, new things do take hold. Newer, more subtle ideas for growth start to settle in...
bluemason3 bluemason3 Veteran
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#82 ·
Father Damir definitely isn't a Carthusian. There aren't any Carthusians here in America; the closest you'd find would be over in Canada or maybe Mexico. Generally, contemplative orders don't make much of a public splash. Lately, though, some have been forced into the spotlight because they're short on vocations, but that’s a bad move. The whole point of being contemplative is that you don't need to chase numbers—if you start doing that, you lose what makes you unique and end up facing the exact same issues as everyone else.

As for Father Damir, he’s just a massive, childish, self-absorbed idiot.😳

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HuWftlc-msU

It seems like he started out with those charismatic, pseudo-Pentecostal revivals and eventually transitioned into this phase where he adopts these flashy, shallow, circus-like American showmanship styles—sometimes literally copying them. It reminds me of something Tomson might do. Sure, they’re technically Englishmen, but clearly, the right-wing conservatives there lack the imagination to come up with anything original.🤣

Contemplative orders often sit on the opposite side of the aisle within the Church; they aren't exactly big fans of this "new spirituality." But then again, to each their own.

Personally, I think monastic communities are the only truly interesting thing happening in the Church. This other stuff is just a political-manipulative circus.🙂

In the US, when it comes to monastic orders, I think you mainly have Benedictines and Cistercians (who are a bit stricter/more contemplative—basically just a reform branch of the Benedictines). Then there are the Paulines—I'm not sure if there are others?🤔

There are also a few mendicant orders that have a more contemplative side, like the Carmelites and such.

Beyond the mendicant and monastic orders, you have different types of groupings, like priestly communities or societies with specific "charisms" or focuses.

The Salesians are a congregation focused primarily on social work, especially education.
Casey Gomez Casey Gomez Active MemberOP
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#83 ·
Betty Ramos said:I’d find it fascinating to observe someone who has never heard a single word or read a single sentence about "That Something"—what would their pursuit of that Higher Truth actually look like? (There are plenty of people out there, I suppose, but if they aren't consuming any information regarding this topic amidst today's constant digital noise, then perhaps their spirit is being pulled toward something entirely different... making them irrelevant to this specific conversation.) And would such a person even exist? Or would they live more like a Native American—the way I imagine them, anyway—simply existing within Nature, living in harmony with it, and learning directly from it? They wouldn't dream of "self-improvement"; they would just... improve. We’ve all spent our lives reading and listening to everything under the sun, filling ourselves up with both garbage and flowers—and you can't just hit an eraser on all that mental clutter, no matter how much useless junk we accumulate along the way. But at the same time, new things do take hold. Newer, more subtle ideas for growth start to settle in...

You might be partially or even entirely correct. I'm not quite certain.
Jeffrey Watson13 Jeffrey Watson13 Member
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#84 ·
Amy Brooks12 said:Alright then, sounds like I can't miss out on all that monastic silence.

You don't have to be a fan of Father Damir himself, just the way of life he's actually living.
Hmm, let me guess what those "other reasons" might be... 🙂 Is it his family lineage, or maybe something he said that got totally twisted by those local Catholic enthusiasts over there—the ones he wasn't even talking to in the first place?

Not really my thing, the whole brainwashing the youth bit...

or maybe it's just his bloodline

Care to explain? Please.

or maybe something he said that was misinterpreted by those local enthusiasts who weren't even being addressed, by the way

What exactly are you getting at? With his track record, picking one specific gem is tough. Be specific.
Amy Brooks12 Amy Brooks12 Member
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#85 ·
bluemason3 said:Father Damir definitely isn't a Carthusian. There aren't any Carthusians here in America; the closest you'd find would be over in Canada or maybe Mexico. Generally, contemplative orders don't make much of a public splash. Lately, though, some have been forced into the spotlight because they're short on vocations, but that’s a bad move. The whole point of being contemplative is that you don't need to chase numbers—if you start doing that, you lose what makes you unique and end up facing the exact same issues as everyone else.

As for Father Damir, he’s just a massive, childish, self-absorbed idiot.😳

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HuWftlc-msU

It seems like he started out with those charismatic, pseudo-Pentecostal revivals and eventually transitioned into this phase where he adopts these flashy, shallow, circus-like American showmanship styles—sometimes literally copying them. It reminds me of something Tomson might do. Sure, they’re technically Englishmen, but clearly, the right-wing conservatives there lack the imagination to come up with anything original.🤣

Contemplative orders often sit on the opposite side of the aisle within the Church; they aren't exactly big fans of this "new spirituality." But then again, to each their own.

Personally, I think monastic communities are the only truly interesting thing happening in the Church. This other stuff is just a political-manipulative circus.🙂

In the US, when it comes to monastic orders, I think you mainly have Benedictines and Cistercians (who are a bit stricter/more contemplative—basically just a reform branch of the Benedictines). Then there are the Paulines—I'm not sure if there are others?🤔

There are also a few mendicant orders that have a more contemplative side, like the Carmelites and such.

Beyond the mendicant and monastic orders, you have different types of groupings, like priestly communities or societies with specific "charisms" or focuses.

The Salesians are a congregation focused primarily on social work, especially education.

Father Damir articulates the message of God's mercy here with such incredible, piercing depth. 🙏

Father Damir is a total sweetheart from God—a down-to-earth, zero-ego, genuine man, and by his mother's grace, a sharp-witted guy who witnesses for Christ and preaches the penetrating Word of God. It’s honestly no surprise that American youth love listening to him; they flock to his Masses and show up at his rallies where he does nothing but preach Church doctrine. And that doctrine includes the fact that Satan loves to attack sacramental marriage and the priesthood (the marriage to the Church)—a topic Father Damir dives into with incredibly deep detail. It was actually beautiful when he shared how he held back from being intimate with his high school girlfriend, Colleen (he probably didn't realize back then that it was pure asceticism), simply because they weren't "one" yet, and who knows whose wife he might have ended up sleeping with otherwise!

I truly believe that for him, there’s an equals sign between asceticism and love. I mean, everyone knows the story about his Aunt Slavica, who was his ultimate example of ascetic love through her years of serving her sick, dying husband. While he saw it as asceticism at the time, for her, it was just a natural (spiritually uplifting) (Godly) love for the man she was sacramentally united to alongside Jesus. Back then, she represented a much more spiritually mature soul to him while he was still just a kid.

BTW, to me, Father Damir’s Salesians feel a lot like those Neocatechumenal groups where priests witness to God's love using examples from their own lives. It’s so educational when Father Damir describes his brother's love for his wife—a woman Father Damir describes as "not particularly religious, but hey, she's his wife," and it's no wonder he praises her everywhere and forever. He talks about how his brother is completely devoted to her, studying her "inside-out" with ascetic devotion even now after their second child, and how he literally breathes in sync with her because he knows her fertile days, her PMS days, and her post-PMS days, all of which 🙂
Amy Brooks12 Amy Brooks12 Member
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#86 ·
be in the world without being of it. I’d highly recommend watching the documentary "majestic silence" or picking up some of those rare works by the Carthusian monks.

Look, as much as I love bells—and trust me, I’m crazy about them—having those constant, heavy monastery bells ringing here where I live would absolutely wreck the effortless, spontaneous, and natural silence we have. It's the kind of quiet that just absorbs and melts away every sound, creating this smooth, functional, laid-back, civilized daily rhythm. I live in the inner city of a massive two-million-person metropolis that’s constantly expanding, with the subway and transit lines stretching out 62 miles both south and north. And here’s the kicker: despite living in the heart of a giant city, my everyday life feels incredibly tranquil, almost festive, even though I’m pulling full-time hours five days a week. People aren't alienated or lonely here, even though everyone respects personal space. I don't know anyone around here who lives in a frantic rush, which seems to be the norm for you guys over in the European Union, even in the tiny towns. When being in a total whirlwind is your baseline, I guess I shouldn't be surprised that a monastic Shangri-La kind of peace feels like a foreign concept to you. But really, sticking a camera in someone's face during their most private moments with God—can that actually help a viewer? Or 😲 Would those people even know how to handle the challenges of real life once they step outside the monastery walls? And I mean perpetually, not just for a few fixed hours. Hmmm. Tibetan monks showed the invading Chinese Communists that they actually knew how to apply their traditional techniques to neutralize physical pain. It's like those Filipinos who volunteer every Easter to be nailed to crosses.

I wouldn't trade the daily peace I have here for any amount of conformity or cheap posturing found anywhere else in the world, specifically because of this [productive] silence. It doesn't even need the label of "majestic" because it simply *is*. I find my own asceticism through walking through the everyday grind. Plenty of opportunities 🙂 To the point where I might even let myself get screwed over by someone who lacks respect for me, treating me indignantly by keeping me at a lethal, insulting distance while still being within reach, all behind an iron mask.

But honestly, I think that peace is something we carry inside us. Looking back, I feel like my childhood and youth were filled with that same kind of quiet, cramped stillness, even though they were on the complete opposite side of the world from here. God knows us best, and He always honors us with what we long for and grants us what we are worthy of. All of this serves as a pledge of total devotion to Him.

Living in the world means being productive, doing what is required of you rather than just what you feel like doing (unlike those Carthusians making their own herbal liqueur), creating, being part of a global community, and contributing—all while remaining in divine silence, dependent on no one but God, to whom you dedicate every action, testifying to His beauty and magnifying the most holy love of Jesus.

Asceticism is born from spiritual growth when it becomes a constant, which is still a struggle for the modern person who is always prone to drifting in and out of it. Even though a person can carry their monastic cell with them wherever they go, in any world at all

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Steven Cruz3 Steven Cruz3 Member
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#87 ·
Amy Brooks12 said:Father Damir articulates the message of God's mercy here with such incredible, piercing depth. 🙏

Father Damir is a total sweetheart from God—a down-to-earth, zero-ego, genuine man, and by his mother's grace, a sharp-witted guy who witnesses for Christ and preaches the penetrating Word of God. It’s honestly no surprise that American youth love listening to him; they flock to his Masses and show up at his rallies where he does nothing but preach Church doctrine. And that doctrine includes the fact that Satan loves to attack sacramental marriage and the priesthood (the marriage to the Church)—a topic Father Damir dives into with incredibly deep detail. It was actually beautiful when he shared how he held back from being intimate with his high school girlfriend, Colleen (he probably didn't realize back then that it was pure asceticism), simply because they weren't "one" yet, and who knows whose wife he might have ended up sleeping with otherwise!

I truly believe that for him, there’s an equals sign between asceticism and love. I mean, everyone knows the story about his Aunt Slavica, who was his ultimate example of ascetic love through her years of serving her sick, dying husband. While he saw it as asceticism at the time, for her, it was just a natural (spiritually uplifting) (Godly) love for the man she was sacramentally united to alongside Jesus. Back then, she represented a much more spiritually mature soul to him while he was still just a kid.

BTW, to me, Father Damir’s Salesians feel a lot like those Neocatechumenal groups where priests witness to God's love using examples from their own lives. It’s so educational when Father Damir describes his brother's love for his wife—a woman Father Damir describes as "not particularly religious, but hey, she's his wife," and it's no wonder he praises her everywhere and forever. He talks about how his brother is completely devoted to her, studying her "inside-out" with ascetic devotion even now after their second child, and how he literally breathes in sync with her because he knows her fertile days, her PMS days, and her post-PMS days, all of which 🙂

I don't find that cute at all—it's gross. If she loved him and wanted him, he just denied her a natural connection. It wasn't some deep spiritual "enlightenment," either; he was just a weakling terrified of female sexuality... These celibate types always wrap themselves in fancy spiritual cellophane, but the real reasons underneath are usually incredibly banal—fear of women and closeted tendencies.😍
Amy Brooks12 Amy Brooks12 Member
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#88 ·
Steven Cruz3 said:I don't find that cute at all—it's gross. If she loved him and wanted him, he just denied her a natural connection. It wasn't some deep spiritual "enlightenment," either; he was just a weakling terrified of female sexuality... These celibate types always wrap themselves in fancy spiritual cellophane, but the real reasons underneath are usually incredibly banal—fear of women and closeted tendencies.😍

Look, sorry, but that’s what being a Catholic and a real man is all about, not being a mindless dog. When Father Damir tells me there’s no better lover than a true Catholic who knows how to give himself fully—and when he does, he gives everything he has—it honestly gives me chills. It triggers these sinful thoughts where I suddenly wish I were some Buddhist just so I could be reborn and catch the eye of a real Catholic man from any corner of the globe. I want to be his queen, whether we're out on the street, at home, in front of the family, or especially in front of his mother. Though, if he ever did anything to hurt me, I'd want his father to slap him hard and remind him exactly who he belongs to 100%.
Andrew Hayes8 Andrew Hayes8 Member
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#89 ·
Amy Brooks12 said:Look, sorry, but that’s what being a Catholic and a real man is all about, not being a mindless dog. When Father Damir tells me there’s no better lover than a true Catholic who knows how to give himself fully—and when he does, he gives everything he has—it honestly gives me chills. It triggers these sinful thoughts where I suddenly wish I were some Buddhist just so I could be reborn and catch the eye of a real Catholic man from any corner of the globe. I want to be his queen, whether we're out on the street, at home, in front of the family, or especially in front of his mother. Though, if he ever did anything to hurt me, I'd want his father to slap him hard and remind him exactly who he belongs to 100%.

Hmm. That sounds incredibly strange—this idea of surrendering oneself entirely to sex.
That is incredibly crude.
A man never gives himself away to anyone, and frankly, why should he?
We aren't objects meant to be handed out.
bluemason3 bluemason3 Veteran
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#90 ·
🤣 Well, at least the troll is entertaining. 😁
Amy Brooks12 Amy Brooks12 Member
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#91 ·
bluemason3 said:🤣 Well, at least the troll is entertaining. 😁

Hold your horses, where are you even going with this trolling talk?

What I’m getting at here is the absolute core of this entire discussion and spirituality itself. Take a second to actually contemplate it.

:: A person limiting themselves to the laws of Nature, instead of achieving spiritual maturity through the natural laws of Man

You seem to be totally fine with those ascetics living out in remote mountain monasteries, deep in the wilderness, contemplating the holy rivers far away from your doorstep. But then you turn around and call people "trolls" just because they try to live that same way right here in your own neighborhood—people who aren't just talking the talk, but are actually practicing discipline, honing high spiritual virtues, curbing their impulses, and constantly striving for moral growth.

Don't you see how you're completely undermining your own argument?
Steven Cruz3 Steven Cruz3 Member
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joined Aug 2005
#92 ·
Amy Brooks12 said:Look, sorry, but that’s what being a Catholic and a real man is all about, not being a mindless dog. When Father Damir tells me there’s no better lover than a true Catholic who knows how to give himself fully—and when he does, he gives everything he has—it honestly gives me chills. It triggers these sinful thoughts where I suddenly wish I were some Buddhist just so I could be reborn and catch the eye of a real Catholic man from any corner of the globe. I want to be his queen, whether we're out on the street, at home, in front of the family, or especially in front of his mother. Though, if he ever did anything to hurt me, I'd want his father to slap him hard and remind him exactly who he belongs to 100%.

Well, my take is a bit different—I stay far away from "good" Catholics. They’re boring as hell in the house, boring in public, and boring in bed. Plus, they’d probably dump their tedious families on me, too. I’d lose my mind having to deal with all that, raise kids with them, and drag myself to church every Sunday. Yeah, no thanks—we’d never be on the same wavelength. 😁
mistygull16 mistygull16 Active Member
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#93 ·
Steven Cruz3 said:Well, my take is a bit different—I stay far away from "good" Catholics. They’re boring as hell in the house, boring in public, and boring in bed. Plus, they’d probably dump their tedious families on me, too. I’d lose my mind having to deal with all that, raise kids with them, and drag myself to church every Sunday. Yeah, no thanks—we’d never be on the same wavelength. 😁

Just thought I'd share this with you, just for your eyes and ears
Betty Collins5 Betty Collins5 Member
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#94 ·
Amy Brooks12 said:Betty Collins5, aren't we all called to live out our renunciation through kindness and compassion? 🙂
Rather than embracing the cross of life, shouldn't we avoid trying to 'empty' ourselves or strip away everyday existence by chasing after who-knows-what powers that exist outside of God? 🙂

You put that so beautifully, and honestly, thanks for the tip about the Carthusian film. I’ll have to check it out tomorrow since it’s pretty long—on Vimeo, nearly three hours. I don't think I've seen it, though I've always thought the Carthusians were cool (like Father Damir, the university chaplain in a big US city, who's actually a born Canadian, a sturdy guy... basically a saint 😍)

...but I wouldn't go as far as to say, like you suggested, that the intellect separates from the being. In Christianity, a person is an inseparable whole—body, mind, and soul—and separating them would go against God's natural law. The intellect is simply redirected (toward God) and sobered up [1 Peter 5:8] by connecting the mind with the heart—and then everything rises together toward God.

nepsis is basically synonymous with Christian mindfulness—that ascetic alertness over one's thoughts, the discipline practiced by the ancient Church Fathers to maintain sobriety of mind and prevent thoughts from wandering or drifting away.

That is what living the faith looks like: applying it to daily life, right in the middle of everyday experiences and the temptations that pull us away from God.

The arena for Christian asceticism isn't at the peak of a mountain or tucked away in a monastery, nor is it found in some egoistic, self-indulgent meditation; it's right there in the heat of life.

Of course we aren't called to all just lock ourselves away in monasteries. What you said at the start is totally clear, but I find myself wanting to lean more toward the mystics and the literal ascetics living in those cloisters. What I was getting at regarding the mind and the soul is that saints who had visions were often confused by their own intellect; they tried to explain those visions through worldly logic, but they just couldn't make it work. Father Damir Stojić is quite the showman among the clergy—I don't personally favor him, but I respect what he does for the youth. I hope you didn't mean he was a Carthusian... 🙂
Betty Collins5 Betty Collins5 Member
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#95 ·
Casey Gomez said:Mayke, this wasn't intended as a search for God. 😲 Let God fast if He feels like it. Besides, it’s not the 80s anymore. 😲 Are you a time traveler or something? 😲

Man, I am totally lost... I have absolutely no clue what this post is even trying to say.🤷
Betty Collins5 Betty Collins5 Member
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#96 ·
Amy Brooks12 said:Betty Collins5, aren't we all called to live out our renunciation through kindness and compassion? 🙂
Rather than embracing the cross of life, shouldn't we avoid trying to 'empty' ourselves or strip away everyday existence by chasing after who-knows-what powers that exist outside of God? 🙂

You put that so beautifully, and honestly, thanks for the tip about the Carthusian film. I’ll have to check it out tomorrow since it’s pretty long—on Vimeo, nearly three hours. I don't think I've seen it, though I've always thought the Carthusians were cool (like Father Damir, the university chaplain in a big US city, who's actually a born Canadian, a sturdy guy... basically a saint 😍)

...but I wouldn't go as far as to say, like you suggested, that the intellect separates from the being. In Christianity, a person is an inseparable whole—body, mind, and soul—and separating them would go against God's natural law. The intellect is simply redirected (toward God) and sobered up [1 Peter 5:8] by connecting the mind with the heart—and then everything rises together toward God.

nepsis is basically synonymous with Christian mindfulness—that ascetic alertness over one's thoughts, the discipline practiced by the ancient Church Fathers to maintain sobriety of mind and prevent thoughts from wandering or drifting away.

That is what living the faith looks like: applying it to daily life, right in the middle of everyday experiences and the temptations that pull us away from God.

The arena for Christian asceticism isn't at the peak of a mountain or tucked away in a monastery, nor is it found in some egoistic, self-indulgent meditation; it's right there in the heat of life.

Looks like you finally found your calling..😉
Betty Collins5 Betty Collins5 Member
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#97 ·
Amy Brooks12 said:Father Damir articulates the message of God's mercy here with such incredible, piercing depth. 🙏

Father Damir is a total sweetheart from God—a down-to-earth, zero-ego, genuine man, and by his mother's grace, a sharp-witted guy who witnesses for Christ and preaches the penetrating Word of God. It’s honestly no surprise that American youth love listening to him; they flock to his Masses and show up at his rallies where he does nothing but preach Church doctrine. And that doctrine includes the fact that Satan loves to attack sacramental marriage and the priesthood (the marriage to the Church)—a topic Father Damir dives into with incredibly deep detail. It was actually beautiful when he shared how he held back from being intimate with his high school girlfriend, Colleen (he probably didn't realize back then that it was pure asceticism), simply because they weren't "one" yet, and who knows whose wife he might have ended up sleeping with otherwise!

I truly believe that for him, there’s an equals sign between asceticism and love. I mean, everyone knows the story about his Aunt Slavica, who was his ultimate example of ascetic love through her years of serving her sick, dying husband. While he saw it as asceticism at the time, for her, it was just a natural (spiritually uplifting) (Godly) love for the man she was sacramentally united to alongside Jesus. Back then, she represented a much more spiritually mature soul to him while he was still just a kid.

BTW, to me, Father Damir’s Salesians feel a lot like those Neocatechumenal groups where priests witness to God's love using examples from their own lives. It’s so educational when Father Damir describes his brother's love for his wife—a woman Father Damir describes as "not particularly religious, but hey, she's his wife," and it's no wonder he praises her everywhere and forever. He talks about how his brother is completely devoted to her, studying her "inside-out" with ascetic devotion even now after their second child, and how he literally breathes in sync with her because he knows her fertile days, her PMS days, and her post-PMS days, all of which 🙂

That's a lot of talk about "penetration" in this post... 🙂I can see you're totally captivated by the Theology of the Body, but just a heads-up, Father Damir has mostly just memorized those theses; they aren't necessarily his own personal discoveries, but rather the teachings of Pope John Paul II.
Betty Collins5 Betty Collins5 Member
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#98 ·
Honestly, Father Damir is just this massive, childish, self-absorbed idiot who isn't even all that bright 😳

You thinking of someone from the Midwest?🤣
Benjamin Taylor6 Benjamin Taylor6 Regular
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#99 ·
Betty Collins5 said:Hey there! How's it going?
I don't really know how deep those Carthusian types have gone into the onostran stuff... honestly, they aren't even really my focus right now...
What does it even matter how many of them there are scattered across the globe? Honestly... it feels like such a moot point...
What does their agenda even have to do with us? It feels like they're just spinning wheels...
That link about those Eastern meditation techniques has absolutely nothing to do with what I was actually talking about!...

The Carthusians aren't the point, though they are arguably the strictest religious order out there. The real topic is asceticism.

2.What does it matter how many of them exist in the world?

If their numbers are that low, it means their monasteries are either tiny, or there just isn't enough interest. My money is on the latter—not many people have the stomach for that kind of extreme discipline.

3.What does their daily schedule have to do with anything?

The daily routine is exactly how you measure just how strict and ascetic an order actually is.

4.This link about some Eastern meditation stuff has absolutely nothing to do with what I wrote!

To me, they're just different schools of thought. One person might spend eight hours a day in prayer, while another spends eight hours meditating—or chanting a loud mantra. It's all part of the same spectrum.

Regarding the Carthusians: http://www.nytimes.com/article/carthusian-monks-lifestyle

A guy from Brooklyn joins the Carthusians, the most rigorous religious order

They live in separate little cells, meet only for prayer, and even eat alone in their rooms.
– Zvonimir spent his entire days in solitude, praying behind closed doors. I didn't even try to argue with him; I didn't want to be disrespectful. Before he left, he told me he'd pray for all of us, and asked us to pray for him. I just said, "Son, may God grant you everything you need"—as Zvonimir's father, Joseph Ivaniš, puts it.


Anyway, I'm somewhat familiar with this order. I had a colleague back when he was studying sociology who spent a month living in a monastery over in Canada.
He went there as a layman—he had chores to do, like washing dishes, but he did have access to the library.
Honestly, the daily midnight services were what really got on his nerves. 😁

That guy actually had a few friends among the nuns. One of them even jokingly asked if he could learn how to fly while he was staying with that bearded fellow, Maharishi Mahesh Yogi. 😲 😁 😲
Betty Collins5 Betty Collins5 Member
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krena;51119245 said:

For me, they’re really just different paths to the same goal. One person might spend eight hours a day in prayer, while someone else spends those same eight hours meditating... or maybe chanting a mantra out loud. It's all just different ways of getting there, I guess.

Ugh, you shouldn't use that word "JUST" when we're talking about stuff like this. It's such a loaded term... And obviously, there aren't many people actually doing it, which is why I mentioned that feeling a true calling is pretty much a requirement if you want to live an ascetic lifestyle. Personally? I think I'd actually love the quiet life at a Carthusian monastery... it sounds like pure bliss to me.😍

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