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Accounting for Sole Proprietors: Tax & Bookkeeping Tips

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ruggedheron13 ruggedheron13 MemberOP
15 messages
joined Feb 2014
#521 ·
I could really use some help here... does anyone know the proper way to close out an Unrecoverable Error...

So, I was thinking about this little scenario... A small business owner goes in, pays cash for some retail goods, then decides they don't need everything and brings part of it back for a refund. It’s one of those little accounting puzzles that makes you pause for a second... How should I handle the entry? Should I record the return as a negative amount against the original purchase, or just treat it as a separate cash receipt... I'm weighing my options here...

So, I’ve got this situation with a cashless account, and we actually received an approval for the invoice. The difference was settled via a standard bank transfer, but now there's still this outstanding amount sitting there—the part we originally got the green light for. How should I handle the bookkeeping on this one? Should I be recording the accounts payable in the red, or mark it as a payment in kind, or just straight up as a wire transfer... I'm a bit stuck... Thanks.
Brenda Chase3 Brenda Chase3 Regular
367 messages
joined Dec 2016
#522 ·
ruggedheron13 said:I could really use some help here... does anyone know the proper way to close out an Unrecoverable Error...

So, I was thinking about this little scenario... A small business owner goes in, pays cash for some retail goods, then decides they don't need everything and brings part of it back for a refund. It’s one of those little accounting puzzles that makes you pause for a second... How should I handle the entry? Should I record the return as a negative amount against the original purchase, or just treat it as a separate cash receipt... I'm weighing my options here...

So, I’ve got this situation with a cashless account, and we actually received an approval for the invoice. The difference was settled via a standard bank transfer, but now there's still this outstanding amount sitting there—the part we originally got the green light for. How should I handle the bookkeeping on this one? Should I be recording the accounts payable in the red, or mark it as a payment in kind, or just straight up as a wire transfer... I'm a bit stuck... Thanks.

1. The vendor should have issued either a credit memo or a formal reversal for that specific amount. You can close it out by running the AP entry into a negative balance. Then, at year-end, when you're explaining discrepancies between your sales tax summaries and the actual deposits hitting your Chase account, you'll just provide the statement showing that the funds were a refund for overpayment rather than new revenue.

2. Handle the credit memo by running the AP entry into a negative. Personally, I usually settle these through a bank transfer since that's how the money actually moved. Essentially, you'll end up with a positive balance on, say, $33, a negative credit memo of $6.75, and once you offset them both, it reflects the actual payment made through your business checking account $27.
ruggedheron13 ruggedheron13 MemberOP
15 messages
joined Feb 2014
#523 ·
Brenda Chase3 said:1. The vendor should have issued either a credit memo or a formal reversal for that specific amount. You can close it out by running the AP entry into a negative balance. Then, at year-end, when you're explaining discrepancies between your sales tax summaries and the actual deposits hitting your Chase account, you'll just provide the statement showing that the funds were a refund for overpayment rather than new revenue.

2. Handle the credit memo by running the AP entry into a negative. Personally, I usually settle these through a bank transfer since that's how the money actually moved. Essentially, you'll end up with a positive balance on, say, $33, a negative credit memo of $6.75, and once you offset them both, it reflects the actual payment made through your business checking account $27.

Regarding Part 2... I was thinking about how we actually close out an approval and handle that specific portion of the bill once it's been cleared. Whether we settle it with cash on hand or just run it through a business checking account... it’s always one of those little logistical hurdles. For instance, if I'm sitting here looking at an invoice right now... $33 And then there’s that whole business with getting approval for the account... everything just seems to be hanging in the balance right now... $6.75I'll just settle the remaining balance via wire transfer... I'm logging the $100.00 payment through the business checking account, and then we'll just wait on the IRS to approve the deficit... $6.75 I’ll just handle the payroll through QuickBooks... It leaves me with that one remaining expense for wages via QuickBooks... $27I’m thinking about tweaking the layout... maybe so that the option for PayPal pops up right away during checkout... just to make things smoother... $27So, regarding the remaining balance on the account... I was thinking, would it be best to just book that as an in-kind credit for the exact same amount? It seems like the cleanest way to handle it all... if that makes sense...
Brenda Chase3 Brenda Chase3 Regular
367 messages
joined Dec 2016
#524 ·
ruggedheron13 said:Regarding Part 2... I was thinking about how we actually close out an approval and handle that specific portion of the bill once it's been cleared. Whether we settle it with cash on hand or just run it through a business checking account... it’s always one of those little logistical hurdles. For instance, if I'm sitting here looking at an invoice right now... $33 And then there’s that whole business with getting approval for the account... everything just seems to be hanging in the balance right now... $6.75I'll just settle the remaining balance via wire transfer... I'm logging the $100.00 payment through the business checking account, and then we'll just wait on the IRS to approve the deficit... $6.75 I’ll just handle the payroll through QuickBooks... It leaves me with that one remaining expense for wages via QuickBooks... $27I’m thinking about tweaking the layout... maybe so that the option for PayPal pops up right away during checkout... just to make things smoother... $27So, regarding the remaining balance on the account... I was thinking, would it be best to just book that as an in-kind credit for the exact same amount? It seems like the cleanest way to handle it all... if that makes sense...

Personally, I run everything through the bank because at the end of the day, your summary report will show exactly $80.00 as a bank transfer.
Essentially, $33 total expenditure via bank transfer -$6.75 expenditure via bank transfer = $80.00 in bank transfers; that's what you'll see reflected in your $27 summary.
ruggedheron13 ruggedheron13 MemberOP
15 messages
joined Feb 2014
#525 ·
Brenda Chase3 said:Personally, I run everything through the bank because at the end of the day, your summary report will show exactly $80.00 as a bank transfer.
Essentially, $33 total expenditure via bank transfer -$6.75 expenditure via bank transfer = $80.00 in bank transfers; that's what you'll see reflected in your $27 summary.

Wait, so the gross amount won't actually show up in my summary? It'll just show $27?
Brenda Chase3 Brenda Chase3 Regular
367 messages
joined Dec 2016
#526 ·
ruggedheron13 said:Wait, so the gross amount won't actually show up in my summary? It'll just show $27?

Of course you will. Honestly, if you just go ahead and post those entries, everything becomes much clearer when you pull up the recapitulation report. You have to remember that your cash receipts and disbursements journal is one thing, but the recapitulation is an entirely different beast. Think of it this way: the recapitulation is what you submit alongside your tax return—it’s a summary of the year's aggregate data rather than a line-by-line list of individual transactions. While your ledger will show both sets of closings (which is perfectly fine), your recapitulation will simply provide a single figure for Expenses via Bank Transfer = $27.
You really need to finalize those postings and take a look at how that recapitulation actually generates. 😉
Keith Martinez5 Keith Martinez5 Active Member
167 messages
joined Mar 2014
#527 ·
I’ve been hearing some whispers lately—though I can't say for certain—and I was hoping someone could clear things up for me. Is an employer actually required to provide back pay for past work performed (apparently dating back to June 2015)? From what I’ve gathered, this seems like something that only applies to larger corporations or companies bound by specific union contracts, rather than small businesses. Since we operate as a small local shop, it feels like this wouldn't apply to us... but then again, it’s always better to be safe than sorry and double-check the facts. 🙂
Robin Cook4 Robin Cook4 Active Member
70 messages
joined May 2012
#528 ·
So, the invoice was paid based on the deposit today. Can I go ahead and claim that sales tax deduction against the down payment receipt on the actual day it cleared?
casualorca5 casualorca5 Active Member
106 messages
joined Jan 2019
#529 ·
Robin Cook4 said:So, the invoice was paid based on the deposit today. Can I go ahead and claim that sales tax deduction against the down payment receipt on the actual day it cleared?

Yes, though you would need an advance invoice dated back in August 2015.😛
Maybe you'll just receive the goods and a standard invoice instead.👍
Olivia Cruz86 Olivia Cruz86 Active Member
114 messages
joined Nov 2014
#530 ·
Hey everyone!

So, my boss is thinking about paying out a monthly commuting allowance of $100 to an employee to cover their travel to and from work?
Just for context, a monthly transit pass usually runs about $200 if they're taking the bus... plus, we don't normally pay anyone for travel like this..
Is it actually legal to pay this out tax-free??
And would we be running two separate payments—one for the actual salary and one specifically for the travel expenses?? Like, does that travel reimbursement need its own specific transaction ID, or should it just be tied directly into the payroll report sent to the IRS? If it's paid out at the exact same time as the paycheck, wouldn't it just show up on the same line item in the reporting?
cosmictinker24 cosmictinker24 Active Member
110 messages
joined Oct 2019
#531 ·
Hey there, everyone.

Stupid questions, really... but I suppose I'll check anyway.
So, looking at the timesheets... let's say we're looking at case 8/15. It’s a bit of a mess, I guess. You’ve got 88 hours of regular shifts, plus an 8-hour holiday, and then 72 hours of overtime. Just one of those things, maybe.
When I’m out on PTO or calling in sick, I don't bother logging my days off... but I am curious about how weekly time off works. Maybe? Just wondering.
August 1st and 2nd fell on a Saturday and Sunday—so, I guess I'm wondering if I should list those under my 24-hour weekly rest period? I mean, since I've been on paid time off since August 3rd, 2015... or am I mistaken?
So, regarding that weekend on August 8th and 9th... should I actually be logging those days as my weekly time off, or what?
So, what about August 15th and 16th—the Saturday and Sunday? I mean, should I actually log those as 24-hour shifts, or just leave them blank? I officially started working on August 17th, 2015... I guess it's a bit of a gray area.
I suppose I’m just leaving everything blank, but then again... I can't be entirely sure.
Thanks to everyone.
Brandon Jackson4 Brandon Jackson4 Active Member
53 messages
joined Apr 2016
#532 ·
Hoping for a quick response here.
I run my own business and I'm registered for sales tax.

When I get invoices without any sales tax—like a bank fee, for example—do those still go into the purchase ledger, or do I only record invoices that actually include sales tax?

Or take postage costs, for instance... there's no sales tax on those.

Really hoping to hear back soon. Thanks.
Henry Edwards33 Henry Edwards33 Regular
678 messages
joined Aug 2015
#533 ·
Brandon Jackson4 said:Hoping for a quick response here.
I run my own business and I'm registered for sales tax.

When I get invoices without any sales tax—like a bank fee, for example—do those still go into the purchase ledger, or do I only record invoices that actually include sales tax?

Or take postage costs, for instance... there's no sales tax on those.

Really hoping to hear back soon. Thanks.

Just log everything through your accounting software and mark them as non-taxable.
casualorca5 casualorca5 Active Member
106 messages
joined Jan 2019
#534 ·
Brandon Jackson4 said:Hoping for a quick response here.
I run my own business and I'm registered for sales tax.

When I get invoices without any sales tax—like a bank fee, for example—do those still go into the purchase ledger, or do I only record invoices that actually include sales tax?

Or take postage costs, for instance... there's no sales tax on those.

Really hoping to hear back soon. Thanks.

I just record everything directly from my bank statements to my expenses.
Most bank fees end up lost or thrown in the trash anyway.😁
cosmictinker24 cosmictinker24 Active Member
110 messages
joined Oct 2019
#535 ·
Quick question for you all, if you don't mind?
We had an error where a payment was sent to a foreign client twice... they actually went ahead and returned the extra funds to us.
Does this still need to be formally booked in the ledger, and if so, what's the best way to handle it?

Thanks.
Ryan Rogers4 Ryan Rogers4 Member
22 messages
joined Sep 2015
#536 ·
cosmictinker24 said:Quick question for you all, if you don't mind?
We had an error where a payment was sent to a foreign client twice... they actually went ahead and returned the extra funds to us.
Does this still need to be formally booked in the ledger, and if so, what's the best way to handle it?

Thanks.

Personally, I don't bother booking those kinds of things. Instead, I just attach it as a supporting document to the income tax return—along with an explanation for the discrepancy between the bank statements and the USA totals—noting that it was just a refund for an erroneous payment.
cosmictinker24 cosmictinker24 Active Member
110 messages
joined Oct 2019
#537 ·
Ryan Rogers4;55494295 said:I don't even bother bookkeeping those things; I just attach them to my income tax return along with an explanation clarifying why the deposits hitting my bank account don't match the revenue reported by KPMG, noting it was just a refund for an erroneous payment.

Okay, thanks... speaking of that explanation when filing—can I include interest payments received into my bank account there?
I'm talking about late fees (basically forced debt collection)...
See, since we run a law firm handling collections for clients, whenever we recover those costs, we end up receiving interest on top of the principal amount.
Ryan Rogers4 Ryan Rogers4 Member
22 messages
joined Sep 2015
#538 ·
cosmictinker24;55494503 said:
Ryan Rogers4 said:Personally, I don't bother booking those kinds of things. Instead, I just attach it as a supporting document to the income tax return—along with an explanation for the discrepancy between the bank statements and the USA totals—noting that it was just a refund for an erroneous payment.

In that explanation to the IRS, you basically list everything that isn't in the KPMG report but did land in your bank account. That way, you prove why the bank statements don't match the revenue in the KPMG files—basically showing why certain deposits aren't reflected in the official books.
cosmictinker24 cosmictinker24 Active Member
110 messages
joined Oct 2019
#539 ·
Ryan Rogers4;55494731 said:
cosmictinker24 said:When you're explaining things to the IRS, you're basically throwing everything at them that isn't showing up in the KPMG records just to prove why the bank statements don't match the incoming revenue—you know, why certain deposits aren't reflected in the KPMG files.

So, I get it.
I'm not recording this interest anywhere, so I suppose it needs to be part of the explanation... I mean, there has to be some kind of paper trail, right?
The person in this role before me... she didn't record the interest, and she didn't bother explaining those deposits to the FBI either. It seems a bit sketchy to me, honestly, because at the end of the day, the bank activity has to reconcile with the actual receipts.
casualorca5 casualorca5 Active Member
106 messages
joined Jan 2019
#540 ·
cosmictinker24;55495177 said:
Ryan Rogers4 said:In that explanation to the IRS, you basically list everything that isn't in the KPMG report but did land in your bank account. That way, you prove why the bank statements don't match the revenue in the KPMG files—basically showing why certain deposits aren't reflected in the official books.

I will attempt to summarize, and please correct me if I am wrong:
Income:
late fees collected from customers, recorded in KPMG, excluding sales tax
interest on checking/savings accounts paid by the bank, not in KPMG, noted in explanations
taxed at year-end

Expenses:
late fees paid to the FBI, not in KPMG
late fees paid to vendors, recorded in KPMG, no sales tax deduction
business loan interest, recorded in KPMG,
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