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Accounting for Sole Proprietors: Tax & Bookkeeping Tips

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casualorca5 casualorca5 Active Member
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joined Jan 2019
#861 ·
cosmictinker24 said:My employer (they're a freelance consultant) just got hit with a Statement of Interest Paid from their bank... regarding some interest earned on a savings account they opened back in 2015.
Should this be reported on the annual tax return under 4.4. CAPITAL INCOME, specifically section 4.4.2. INTEREST DATA—meaning both the income itself and the withheld federal tax based on that statement???

Thanks

I guess maybe a tradesman is only required to report income from self-employment and non-employment earnings if those were actually earned during the tax year.☕
So, you might as well just forget about the bank and those verification letters.👍
Jessica Gonzalez30 Jessica Gonzalez30 Active Member
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joined Mar 2018
#862 ·
cosmictinker24 said:My employer (they're a freelance consultant) just got hit with a Statement of Interest Paid from their bank... regarding some interest earned on a savings account they opened back in 2015.
Should this be reported on the annual tax return under 4.4. CAPITAL INCOME, specifically section 4.4.2. INTEREST DATA—meaning both the income itself and the withheld federal tax based on that statement???

Thanks

From what I understand, you only report interest if it's tied to funds being used specifically for business operations—and even then, only if the tax hasn't already been withheld at the source, like interest on a standard checking account for overnight deposits.

Since the bank would have already withheld the tax when they paid out the interest (effectively reducing the payout by that amount), I'm leaning toward thinking this interest shouldn't be included, especially if it isn't interest attributed to capital deployed for actual business activities.

If I've got that wrong, please feel free to set me straight.
I'm just getting a bit lost wading through all this law and regulation 😵
Jessica Gonzalez30 Jessica Gonzalez30 Active Member
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joined Mar 2018
#863 ·
casualorca5 said:I guess maybe a tradesman is only required to report income from self-employment and non-employment earnings if those were actually earned during the tax year.☕
So, you might as well just forget about the bank and those verification letters.👍


Exactly. 👏
Brandon Jackson4 Brandon Jackson4 Active Member
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joined Apr 2016
#864 ·
Anyone dealt with something similar?

I submitted my tradesman contributions for review, and after checking the data, it says "Form verified and correct."

But when I went to sign and submit, right where the electronic signature goes, it shows "Form verified and correct," yet immediately underneath, there’s an error and warning message... code UL-B8-1, stating the recipient isn't registered for mandatory Social Security.

For section 8 of the form, I entered number 3 (it’s not my first month, nor my last)

What's going on? Why am I getting this error under section 8 regarding the start date, especially since I've been paying these contributions for years...

Since this is listed as a warning rather than a hard error, does that mean the form will still go through and sync with my payments despite the notification?

And how can they claim I'm not registered? My Social Security number on the form is definitely correct.
It seems like a glitch on their end... should I just send the form as is, even with the warning attached?
Thanks,
Jack Carter88 Jack Carter88 Member
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joined Sep 2011
#865 ·
Brandon Jackson4 said:Anyone dealt with something similar?

I submitted my tradesman contributions for review, and after checking the data, it says "Form verified and correct."

But when I went to sign and submit, right where the electronic signature goes, it shows "Form verified and correct," yet immediately underneath, there’s an error and warning message... code UL-B8-1, stating the recipient isn't registered for mandatory Social Security.

For section 8 of the form, I entered number 3 (it’s not my first month, nor my last)

What's going on? Why am I getting this error under section 8 regarding the start date, especially since I've been paying these contributions for years...

Since this is listed as a warning rather than a hard error, does that mean the form will still go through and sync with my payments despite the notification?

And how can they claim I'm not registered? My Social Security number on the form is definitely correct.
It seems like a glitch on their end... should I just send the form as is, even with the warning attached?
Thanks,

Go ahead and submit the form; it will be processed and linked to your payments. I ran into a nearly identical situation myself involving an employee. Their Social Security enrollment was fully up to date, yet the system kept flagging this exact error during the form check. By the time I filed the following month, everything had cleared up perfectly.
Jessica Gonzalez30 Jessica Gonzalez30 Active Member
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joined Mar 2018
#866 ·
Jack Carter88 said:Go ahead and submit the form; it will be processed and linked to your payments. I ran into a nearly identical situation myself involving an employee. Their Social Security enrollment was fully up to date, yet the system kept flagging this exact error during the form check. By the time I filed the following month, everything had cleared up perfectly.

It was the same story for me, and I have to admit, seeing that warning pop up gave me a massive stomach ache. My first thought was—oh boy, which poor soul did I accidentally de-register? 😱
Keith Martinez5 Keith Martinez5 Active Member
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joined Mar 2014
#867 ·
Brenda Chase3 said:Does anyone here have experience dealing with a significant income tax refund? We’re looking at a pretty substantial amount coming back to us—around $2333—mostly because of the prepayments we made, and since we're applying some tax credits to lower our taxable income. I was wondering if anyone else has filed for a refund like this recently? What does the actual process look like? Do you just file the request along with your tax return and wait for the direct deposit, or is there more to it?

From what I’ve seen, it usually follows the standard tax assessment timeline—once everything is processed, you can typically request the refund within about two weeks. One little tip, though: make sure you definitely include your banking info for the direct deposit. At the local FBI office, they don't always explicitly remind you to provide that—they tend to stay buried in all their other paperwork!
Keith Martinez5 Keith Martinez5 Active Member
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joined Mar 2014
#868 ·
Jessica Gonzalez30 said:It looks like we’re using the "3" label for the rest of the months.
So, just to clarify—the Type 1 designation actually refers to full-time employment.
With him, it isn't really about whether he's putting in full-time hours—it’s more that he’s covered with benefits and insurance for the entire month.

Thanks... and I have one more quick follow-up question—since this is a sole proprietorship, the owner pays himself a monthly draw directly from the business checking account. Does that need to be included in the quarterly tax filings?? If so, what's the best way to handle it? Honestly, I'm feeling a bit lost here and I really don't want to miss anything important.
😕
graniterider10 graniterider10 Active Member
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joined Jun 2018
#869 ·
Can someone please tell me if I should be recording an input ID that doesn't show sales tax because the company isn't registered for it? I have to enter it through the Input Receipts ledger... does it actually matter for that specific book whether there's sales tax included or not? I always assume it does... so I only log those specific receipts there, and for anything without tax, I just write down the check number as the link. I'm not sure if I'm doing this right?!
amberbadger17 amberbadger17 Active Member
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joined May 2012
#870 ·
Keith Martinez5 said:Thanks... and I have one more quick follow-up question—since this is a sole proprietorship, the owner pays himself a monthly draw directly from the business checking account. Does that need to be included in the quarterly tax filings?? If so, what's the best way to handle it? Honestly, I'm feeling a bit lost here and I really don't want to miss anything important.
😕


Never heard of it. Just what we needed, right? More paperwork. At least we can still pull cash whenever we want without having to explain ourselves. Let's hope they don't get bored of letting us slide and start demanding stupid, soul-crushing documentation for everything.
amberbadger17 amberbadger17 Active Member
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joined May 2012
#871 ·
graniterider10 said:Can someone please tell me if I should be recording an input ID that doesn't show sales tax because the company isn't registered for it? I have to enter it through the Input Receipts ledger... does it actually matter for that specific book whether there's sales tax included or not? I always assume it does... so I only log those specific receipts there, and for anything without tax, I just write down the check number as the link. I'm not sure if I'm doing this right?!


Honestly, I don't think you're doing anything wrong either way. With the accounting software I use, it's just easier to track the non-taxable stuff through the K-UR, so that's what I do. Been doing it that way for years and haven't had any issues from the IRS or anyone else.
amberbadger17 amberbadger17 Active Member
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joined May 2012
#872 ·
I just sent off my tax return and the Form 1040. Everything went through smoothly, thankfully.

On a side note, I’m about 100 pounds lighter now. Life is good.

Anyway, I could use some quick advice regarding Schedule C:

Under "other non-taxable income," I included two transfers to my savings account that were actually related to a deposit from back in 2014, even though the money hit the account in 2015. Do I need to attach bank statements? They just say "cash deposit" since I did it at an ATM, so they aren't super descriptive. Or is it enough to just list the amount without any extra paperwork or explanations?

Thanks!
David Mitchell4 David Mitchell4 Active Member
61 messages
joined Apr 2011
#873 ·
amberbadger17 said:Never heard of it. Just what we needed, right? More paperwork. At least we can still pull cash whenever we want without having to explain ourselves. Let's hope they don't get bored of letting us slide and start demanding stupid, soul-crushing documentation for everything.

What exactly do you mean by "without justification"?
Brenda Chase3 Brenda Chase3 Regular
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joined Dec 2016
#874 ·
Keith Martinez5 said:From what I’ve seen, it usually follows the standard tax assessment timeline—once everything is processed, you can typically request the refund within about two weeks. One little tip, though: make sure you definitely include your banking info for the direct deposit. At the local FBI office, they don't always explicitly remind you to provide that—they tend to stay buried in all their other paperwork!

That's great, thanks! 👍
Brenda Chase3 Brenda Chase3 Regular
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joined Dec 2016
#875 ·
David Mitchell4 said:What exactly do you mean by "without justification"?

Think about it this way: imagine you just withdraw cash without having to provide a receipt or an explanation for what it's for. Since any amount that isn't logged as a business expense is essentially treated as personal income, as a small business owner, you have total discretion over how you handle those funds. Anything not recorded as a deduction counts toward your earnings, and that’s what you pay taxes on. That is what I mean by "without justification." Throughout the year, every month when my revenue hits the account, I transfer money out to myself—that's my "salary," the income I actually get to spend. I record the portion used for business overhead as a legitimate deductible expense, but the rest I pull out as pure income without booking it as a cost.
David Mitchell4 David Mitchell4 Active Member
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joined Apr 2011
#876 ·
What’s the maximum monthly amount we can claim as income?
shadowdrifter99 shadowdrifter99 Member
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joined Feb 2014
#877 ·
David Mitchell4 said:What’s the maximum monthly amount we can claim as income?

Man, you can drain the account down to the last cent if you feel like it. :-)
David Mitchell4 David Mitchell4 Active Member
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joined Apr 2011
#878 ·
I get that part, but I'm wondering how much specifically goes toward federal income tax versus what's being hit by everything else..
Nathan Peterson10 Nathan Peterson10 Newcomer
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joined Aug 2015
#879 ·
ruggedlynx63 said:Look, if you want those training costs to be tax-free, you have to check all these specific boxes first:
- The payment absolutely has to be for the benefit of the company's own staff.
- The training needs to be directly relevant to what the business actually does.
- The money should be paid directly to the educational institution, not handed to the employee.
If the employer decides to foot the bill for an employee's continuing education, that expense ends up being doubly tax-advantaged... because the company can use it to lower its taxable income base via standard federal tax incentives when filing their annual return.

Thanks for the answer.👍

I was wondering what happens if I pay the payroll taxes and everything else on Friday afternoon?
Can I submit the electronic tax filing with Monday's date via the IRS portal, or am I forced to file by Saturday?

As for these new changes regarding income, taxes, and contributions—it’s honestly terrible.
It’s driving me crazy. I don't understand who would pass such senseless laws and regulations, creating all this confusion and unnecessary hassle.
Why make things so complicated?
shadowdrifter99 shadowdrifter99 Member
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joined Feb 2014
#880 ·
David Mitchell4 said:I get that part, but I'm wondering how much specifically goes toward federal income tax versus what's being hit by everything else..

The money you pull from the account doesn't count toward your taxable income since that advance payment isn't recorded anywhere on the books, so there's nothing to worry about there.

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