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Accounting for Sole Proprietors: Tax & Bookkeeping Tips

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Robin Cook4 Robin Cook4 Active Member
70 messages
joined May 2012
#961 ·
Can someone walk me through depreciation? Like, for write-offs... do I log those costs through KPI first (just noting the payment method as non-KPI), then manually enter the amount into P-PPI? Or am I overthinking it?
urbangull65 urbangull65 Newcomer
5 messages
joined Jan 2016
#962 ·
I went ahead and submitted the JOPPD form for my small business using today's identifier—16047—instead of yesterday's. Now, I’ve already received a notification stating that all the data is correct... so, what am I supposed to do? Should I actually try to go back and amend it, or just leave well enough alone?
I would truly appreciate some guidance here...
Keith Martinez5 Keith Martinez5 Active Member
167 messages
joined Mar 2014
#963 ·
Susan Cruz48 said:Look, if we're treating card transactions like cash, it just doesn't make sense to log them as bank deposits. And even if you did go that route, the commission should be recorded right there in the bank deposits as a negative entry. Personally, I just put those amounts under cash receipts.

That’s not quite how I handle things—though hey, maybe I’m missing something here! When I get paid via credit card, I record the full amount as a deposit into my business checking account. Then, when the payment processor takes their cut and sends over the statement, I log those transaction fees as an expense directly from that same checking account...
What do you all think about this approach?
Keith Martinez5 Keith Martinez5 Active Member
167 messages
joined Mar 2014
#964 ·
Brenda Chase3 said:As for the processing fees, I book those as non-cash adjustments—similar to how one might handle a discount, since it functions quite similarly. It’s not like actual money hit our bank account, nor did we pay the fee through a separate wire transfer; instead, we simply offset the total amount received by deducting the fee upfront. Following the guidance from our financial advisor, we treat these as non-cash items. This is the method we've used for years when submitting our summaries to the IRS, and it has always been perfectly acceptable. If we didn't do this, we'd constantly be stuck explaining discrepancies between our bank statements and our reported income to tax auditors. By handling it this way, our cash deposits and our bank totals align perfectly with the merchant statements provided to the IRS.

That actually makes sense to me, and I think I'll start doing the same thing—but wait, are you recording it as an expense in kind rather than income? To my mind, it feels a little counterintuitive to treat a bank commission—something that's effectively a cost to you—as actual income.
Brandon Jackson4 Brandon Jackson4 Active Member
53 messages
joined Apr 2016
#965 ·
I’m looking for some clarification regarding the OPZ STAT filing.

I have some outstanding receivables from regular individuals—just private citizens, not business owners.
As I understand it, under US tax regulations, I’m not required to collect their Social Security numbers.

So, here’s my dilemma: what do I enter on the OPZ STAT form when I don't have an SSN, which wasn't even necessary to include on the original invoice?
I saw a post on the forum a while back where shadowdrifter99 mentioned we don't need to list an SSN on receipts for private individuals.
My question is... what should I actually input into the form?
Brenda Chase3 Brenda Chase3 Regular
367 messages
joined Dec 2016
#966 ·
Keith Martinez5 said:That actually makes sense to me, and I think I'll start doing the same thing—but wait, are you recording it as an expense in kind rather than income? To my mind, it feels a little counterintuitive to treat a bank commission—something that's effectively a cost to you—as actual income.

You actually record both the expense and the income in kind for the amount of the commission.
Think of it this way: let's say your invoice is for $33. A credit card processor pays $27 into your business checking account, but they take their commission of $6.75 first. At the exact same time, you receive an invoice from them for that $6.75 fee, which you don't actually pay out of pocket because you simply offset it against the lower amount they deposited.

You clear the IRA $27 via your bank account (since the transaction shows that specific net amount hitting your books), but you clear the $6.75 in kind because the invoice is for $33; you can't just ignore the total value of the bill.
At the same time, you close out their URU for $6.75 in kind. It’s essentially a classic offset, except instead of having a formal debit memo statement, you just book everything so that the IRA and the URU perfectly cancel each other out.
Brenda Chase3 Brenda Chase3 Regular
367 messages
joined Dec 2016
#967 ·
Brandon Jackson4 said:I’m looking for some clarification regarding the OPZ STAT filing.

I have some outstanding receivables from regular individuals—just private citizens, not business owners.
As I understand it, under US tax regulations, I’m not required to collect their Social Security numbers.

So, here’s my dilemma: what do I enter on the OPZ STAT form when I don't have an SSN, which wasn't even necessary to include on the original invoice?
I saw a post on the forum a while back where shadowdrifter99 mentioned we don't need to list an SSN on receipts for private individuals.
My question is... what should I actually input into the form?

You would just list everything related to private citizens under Section III.
Brandon Jackson4 Brandon Jackson4 Active Member
53 messages
joined Apr 2016
#968 ·
Brenda Chase3 said:You would just list everything related to private citizens under Section III.

Account, thanks. I'll total up all the uncollected amounts from taxpayers and group them under Section III...

I filled out the form and submitted it for basic validation.
But I keep getting this error:
1.2300.2.0.2.22 Errors during taxpayer verification for Form Tax Stat 1

It doesn't give me any other details... just mentions errors without saying what they actually are.
I can't find an explanation anywhere for what this code means.
The form looks correct to me.
If anyone knows what's going on, please let me know...
Keith Martinez5 Keith Martinez5 Active Member
167 messages
joined Mar 2014
#969 ·
Brenda Chase3 said:You actually record both the expense and the income in kind for the amount of the commission.
Think of it this way: let's say your invoice is for $33. A credit card processor pays $27 into your business checking account, but they take their commission of $6.75 first. At the exact same time, you receive an invoice from them for that $6.75 fee, which you don't actually pay out of pocket because you simply offset it against the lower amount they deposited.

You clear the IRA $27 via your bank account (since the transaction shows that specific net amount hitting your books), but you clear the $6.75 in kind because the invoice is for $33; you can't just ignore the total value of the bill.
At the same time, you close out their URU for $6.75 in kind. It’s essentially a classic offset, except instead of having a formal debit memo statement, you just book everything so that the IRA and the URU perfectly cancel each other out.

That makes sense, but here's my dilemma: I don't receive the consolidated commission invoice until the end of the month for the total amount, yet every single card transaction carries a different fee. How do you actually track that day-to-day? Theoretically, I get the logic, but how do you pull this off in practice?
Henry Edwards33 Henry Edwards33 Regular
678 messages
joined Aug 2015
#970 ·
Keith Martinez5 said:That makes sense, but here's my dilemma: I don't receive the consolidated commission invoice until the end of the month for the total amount, yet every single card transaction carries a different fee. How do you actually track that day-to-day? Theoretically, I get the logic, but how do you pull this off in practice?

🤣

That’s exactly where I struggle. My shop handles multiple card types, installment plans, all that jazz... it's basically Mission Impossible to keep it straight. Honestly, I’ve tried everything, and it just doesn't work for me.
On top of that, the processing fees always seem to vanish into thin air because some companies send two statements a month—one shows up now, and the next one might not arrive for another couple of months.

I finally decided to just close out the card accounts immediately so I don't end up owing the IRS anything. To be honest, I couldn't care less about the hassle.😁
amberbadger17 amberbadger17 Active Member
190 messages
joined May 2012
#971 ·
I basically treat my credit card reconciliation like some kind of DIY scrapbook project.

I just pull the statements from my online banking, print out everything for the period, and then manually log all the transactions—recording the actual deposits against the ledger while treating those pesky fees as "in-kind" income.

Look, sure, I’m technically making the numbers look a little... creative, but whatever. 😁
cosmictinker24 cosmictinker24 Active Member
110 messages
joined Oct 2019
#972 ·
The following should be attached to the tax return:

Form P-PPI and
Schedule V, which details business receipts and expenditures.

Regarding pass-through items and misapplied credits—should those be recorded under section 2.5, "Other Unspecified Income," since they aren't technically taxable receipts for the P-PPI form? Or maybe they belong somewhere else within this Schedule V for business receipts and expenditures? I guess it's unclear.
steelbadger22 steelbadger22 Newcomer
6 messages
joined Jan 2016
#973 ·
I'm just finishing up my filing with the CDC and noticed I don't have an income tax obligation. In that case, how should I handle estimated tax payments, and what's the best way to calculate them?
Keith Martinez5 Keith Martinez5 Active Member
167 messages
joined Mar 2014
#974 ·
Henry Edwards33 said:🤣

That’s exactly where I struggle. My shop handles multiple card types, installment plans, all that jazz... it's basically Mission Impossible to keep it straight. Honestly, I’ve tried everything, and it just doesn't work for me.
On top of that, the processing fees always seem to vanish into thin air because some companies send two statements a month—one shows up now, and the next one might not arrive for another couple of months.

I finally decided to just close out the card accounts immediately so I don't end up owing the IRS anything. To be honest, I couldn't care less about the hassle.😁

I’m doing the same thing—closing them out right away. For example, if Diners Club doesn't settle the funds for another 30 days, I still have to pay my sales tax immediately, even though the actual cash won't hit my bank account until the following month... As for bartering or "in-kind" payments, I was thinking that if I record the full amount as being paid via my business checking account, and treat the commission the same way, it should theoretically balance out—leaving just the net amount as my total turnover through the bank? I actually asked about this last year when I was filing my tax returns—I think you might have answered me back then—asking if I could list card payments as direct deposits into my checking account. My IRS agent told me that a credit card transaction is basically treated the same as cash... How does that even make sense? I mean, sure, it's a liquid form of payment, but it's definitely not physical cash!
Keith Martinez5 Keith Martinez5 Active Member
167 messages
joined Mar 2014
#975 ·
amberbadger17 said:I basically treat my credit card reconciliation like some kind of DIY scrapbook project.

I just pull the statements from my online banking, print out everything for the period, and then manually log all the transactions—recording the actual deposits against the ledger while treating those pesky fees as "in-kind" income.

Look, sure, I’m technically making the numbers look a little... creative, but whatever. 😁

Could you walk me through that a bit more? Are you talking about using JPMorgan Chase online banking or something else? If it's JPMorgan Chase, where exactly do you find that specific report?
amberbadger17 amberbadger17 Active Member
190 messages
joined May 2012
#976 ·
I’ve been using Wells Fargo’s online banking, so I can just hop on there whenever I need to print out my statements for a specific timeframe.
Brandon Jackson4 Brandon Jackson4 Active Member
53 messages
joined Apr 2016
#977 ·
cosmictinker24 said:The following should be attached to the tax return:

Form P-PPI and
Schedule V, which details business receipts and expenditures.

Regarding pass-through items and misapplied credits—should those be recorded under section 2.5, "Other Unspecified Income," since they aren't technically taxable receipts for the P-PPI form? Or maybe they belong somewhere else within this Schedule V for business receipts and expenditures? I guess it's unclear.

On Form P-PPI, you put pass-through items and all non-taxable receipts under section 2.5. For Schedule V, you don't actually enter anything there... the form itself doesn't provide a space for it.
cosmictinker24 cosmictinker24 Active Member
110 messages
joined Oct 2019
#978 ·
Brandon Jackson4 said:On Form P-PPI, you put pass-through items and all non-taxable receipts under section 2.5. For Schedule V, you don't actually enter anything there... the form itself doesn't provide a space for it.

So, I guess... do I actually need to compile a full itemized list of every single one of those deposits hitting the bank account that aren't considered income (those pass-through items), or is just stating the total amount enough? Also, I have this one erroneous wire transfer that was sent back to us. Should I be attaching documentation for that to the IRS, or is it fine if I just list it under 2.5.?

thanks
Morgan Mitchell Morgan Mitchell Member
10 messages
joined Jun 2016
#979 ·
I really need some quick advice if anyone can help me out. My travel agency organized a symposium in partnership with a medical association (who acted as the main organizer). According to our contract, the agency handles all the registration fees, while the association manages the donations and sponsorships. On top of that, our agency is responsible for paying all the vendors. Right now, I’m looking at a pile of invoices for catering, dinners, museum tickets, and stuff like that—all made out directly to the agency. Should I be booking these as 100% deductible business expenses, or should they go under representation/entertainment? If anyone has dealt with this before, I'd really appreciate the help! Thanks so much!!
Keith Martinez5 Keith Martinez5 Active Member
167 messages
joined Mar 2014
#980 ·
amberbadger17 said:I’ve been using Wells Fargo’s online banking, so I can just hop on there whenever I need to print out my statements for a specific timeframe.

On my end, I’m with JPMorgan Chase, and they don't actually offer that—it's a bit of a bummer since it would be so convenient. Also, does anyone know if you can pull a report showing total transaction volume for an entire year via your checking account? JPMorgan Chase doesn't seem to have that either, and they try to charge $17 just to get it.

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