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Accounting for Sole Proprietors: Tax & Bookkeeping Tips

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Olivia Cruz86 Olivia Cruz86 Active Member
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joined Nov 2014
#1021 ·
Can someone please break down this whole thing about passive interest on a small business checking account?
It’s apparently not counted as income and doesn't get factored into my KPIs, with rates topping out at maybe 0.5% annually? What does that actually mean in plain English? Like, how am I even supposed to calculate that??

Thanks a ton
Anthony Jackson81 Anthony Jackson81 Newcomer
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joined Mar 2016
#1022 ·
Can someone please tell me how I'm supposed to log customer approval in my books? Thanks 👍
silvertrucker9 silvertrucker9 Newcomer
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joined Feb 2016
#1023 ·
Ryan Rogers4 said:If you're operating as a sole proprietorship on a cash basis, basically everything you pay for counts as an expense—except for things like owner draws.
Since you're buying raw materials to create a finished good, you definitely need to keep material logs (like inventory cards). And if you end up making finished products that sit in stock, you'll need to track those as inventory too.


Thanks so much for the explanation.👍It’s all starting to click now. Given that my income has grown quite a bit lately, I was wondering if there are any legitimate ways to lower my taxable earnings. I'm aware of things like accelerated depreciation or perhaps adding assets to my business ledger—I believe that's an option, if I remember correctly—but are there any other strategies for reducing my net income?🙄
Thanks in advance...
shadowdrifter99 shadowdrifter99 Member
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joined Feb 2014
#1024 ·
Charles Turner13 said:If I recorded credit card payments as cash receipts, how on earth am I supposed to make my register balance?

What do you mean it won't balance? Look, the register report breaks everything down—it tells you exactly how much came in via bills and how much was swiped on cards, and at the end of the shift, your drawer better have the exact amount of physical cash listed on that report, or you're in trouble.
shadowdrifter99 shadowdrifter99 Member
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#1025 ·
Keith Martinez5 said:Could you please clarify that first sentence: "That field is where you report the cash deposit... because up above under 'receipts,' you've already listed the cash receipts (your daily register totals) and the bank deposits (payments made via wire transfer or credit card)..."

Wait, those credit card payments go into the bank account, right? They aren't physical cash for the register—so does that mean they count as bank receipts rather than cash? Is that right or not?

Yeah, receipts through the checking account are just direct transfers, while credit card stuff counts toward your cash flow.
Just make sure all those recorded receipts in your books actually line up with what’s showing up on your bank statements, because the first thing the IRS does is pull your bank records to see if what you reported matches what actually hit your account. Say back in 2015, someone deposited 100 $0.00 into your account, but you only reported receiving 95 $0.00; they're gonna come knocking asking why there's a 5 $0.00 difference since you didn't pay sales tax or income tax on it. Sometimes things happen where someone accidentally wires you an extra 5 $0.00 and you end up sending it right back, so in those cases, just show them the confirmation that you sent the money back and you'll be fine.
Keith Martinez5 Keith Martinez5 Active Member
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joined Mar 2014
#1026 ·
Arthur Bishop6 said:Can someone tell me how you guys are handling long-term asset depreciation forms on the IRS website? Most of mine go through fine, but two of them keep throwing this error message at me: it says the write-off amount has to equal the acquisition cost multiplied by the depreciation rate divided by 100.

But that’s impossible! If the book value is already way lower, then multiplying the initial cost by the rate gives me a number that’s too high. I can only take up to the remaining book value. Even if I try to reverse-engineer the percentage to match the book value, the IRS site rejects the decimals, and if I round to a whole number, I get the exact same error. It's driving me insane... I just submitted it exactly as it was.
Especially when there's a long-term write-off involved—the system doesn't even seem to recognize it properly when you don't enter a disposal date this year. But I actually sold it during the current year, so I shouldn't be depreciating it for the full year, just up until the sale date. I booked the rest of the unamortized book value as business expenses.

Still, I'm assuming it's just an informative warning message.

How did you all deal with this?😵

The same thing happened to me! One of my items had a book value lower than what that 10% calculation should have been. I submitted it anyway, and it actually went through, but looking at my confirmation receipt, that same error message is still sitting there... We might eventually have to file a formal explanation with the local IRS office.
casualorca5 casualorca5 Active Member
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joined Jan 2019
#1027 ·
Keith Martinez5 said:The same thing happened to me! One of my items had a book value lower than what that 10% calculation should have been. I submitted it anyway, and it actually went through, but looking at my confirmation receipt, that same error message is still sitting there... We might eventually have to file a formal explanation with the local IRS office.

From the PD with seminar, "there are plenty of poorly configured audits on the IRS electronic forms "😵"
For instance, when the book value is low and the write-off rate is 40%, it won't accept the 2.5-year period...😵
It would probably be best to just attach an explanatory statement to the tax form.
Keith Martinez5 Keith Martinez5 Active Member
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#1028 ·
casualorca5 said:From the PD with seminar, "there are plenty of poorly configured audits on the IRS electronic forms "😵"
For instance, when the book value is low and the write-off rate is 40%, it won't accept the 2.5-year period...😵
It would probably be best to just attach an explanatory statement to the tax form.

Based on the regulation they're citing, those write-off rates shouldn't actually be changing mid-period—but I've definitely tweaked mine in the past when the expenses were getting a bit too heavy, just by lowering the rates for the current year. Now, apparently, that doesn't fly anymore...

I'd personally suggest merging P-PPI into the OPZ STATU form; we haven't quite figured out how to navigate them together yet, but there's a 29-day window available...
steelbadger22 steelbadger22 Newcomer
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#1029 ·
At the seminar, it was mentioned that you don't actually have to file Form D through the IRS website; instead, you can submit a hard copy directly to Doe. In fact, they even suggest doing it that way.
Keith Martinez5 Keith Martinez5 Active Member
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joined Mar 2014
#1030 ·
steelbadger22 said:At the seminar, it was mentioned that you don't actually have to file Form D through the IRS website; instead, you can submit a hard copy directly to Doe. In fact, they even suggest doing it that way.

Man, that's great! 😉
Richard Howard55 Richard Howard55 Regular
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#1031 ·
shadowdrifter99 said:This might clear things up for you:
Under Section 2, Subsection 5 of the tax reform law, "cash transactions" are defined as payments for goods or services made via banknotes, coins, cards, checks, or any similar method, unless the law specifically dictates otherwise regarding direct bank transfers.

Because of that, using a Visa, Mastercard, or American Express card—or any other credit or debit card—counts as a cash transaction, which means you still have to go through the whole receipt logging process. Basically, paying via a direct wire transfer from one bank account to another or using a standard check doesn't count as "cash" under this rule, so those types of payments don't require the same fiscal reporting.

Ryan Rogers4 said:Well, my take on things is a bit different 🐔

Charles Turner13 said:I completely agree.
Back when I was still in college, they taught us that cash meant nothing but physical bills and checks—that was the only thing that truly counted toward revenue.
Sure, card transactions go through the tax reporting system, but they aren't technically cash payments, so for the last 15 years, I've been recording them as bank transfers in my KPI.
The tax reform law shouldn't be able to override the existing payment services law.

Keith Martinez5 said:Honestly, if this weren't such a headache, it would almost be funny... I spent all of yesterday fixing my entire 2015 ledger because I had been closing out every single card transaction as a bank deposit—which, to me, is the most logical way to do it since that's where the money actually lands, rather than being physically in my Hand (which is the only true "cash" in my book). But apparently, under current tax rules, anything that isn't a wire transfer is treated as cash. I suspect that back when you were sitting in those lecture halls, this specific type of digital fiscalization didn't even exist yet... so they probably just didn't mention it! :P
Now I’m sitting here scrolling through all these threads, holding this frustrating little handheld terminal, trying to make sense of how everyone else is coding their entries... and I'm still lost. I work over at Silicon Valley, and some of these entries are automated by the software itself, so I can't even go in and manually tweak them... I'm still stuck looking like this🐔


Folks, you're getting your wires crossed here. We aren't looking at the fiscalization law—that covers what needs to go to the IRS and what doesn't. No, we're talking about the federal tax law and its specific regulations. It defines cash in a very specific way, just like @ajnat mentioned: strictly cash and checks.
Card payments hitting a business bank account are simply bank deposits. As for the merchant fees being "shaved off," those are considered in-kind receipts (to close out the receivable at 100%), and the fee itself is an in-kind expense.
Whether you book that in-kind transaction for every single card swipe or just once during a set period is entirely up to the accountant's discretion.
Back when I handled them, I used to book them after every single payment. But if I were doing it today... I guess I might not be quite so "aggressive" about it. I'd probably have to weigh my options... then decide.🤔
Richard Howard55 Richard Howard55 Regular
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#1032 ·
Charles Turner13 said:I don't think it's quite that straightforward.
What’s the deal with credit cards? Everything gets logged through the POS system, yet the funds aren't even being collected in cash—they're hitting a bank account via wire transfer, often after being shaved down by processing fees.
In my case, I receive a significant amount of foreign currency payments, which then requires me to convert them back to USD once the customer pays. For all of that, I still find myself having to submit formal written explanations regardless of this "famous" P-PPI system.

Yeah, they completely ignored foreign exchange transactions. You'll probably have to explain them separately if the IRS starts asking questions.
I guess you already have a "system" for tracking those foreign deposits and exchange rate fluctuations, so you'll likely need to attach that entire paper trail to your filing anyway... unless you want them calling you immediately.
shadowdrifter99 shadowdrifter99 Member
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#1033 ·
Richard Howard55 said:Folks, you're getting your wires crossed here. We aren't looking at the fiscalization law—that covers what needs to go to the IRS and what doesn't. No, we're talking about the federal tax law and its specific regulations. It defines cash in a very specific way, just like @ajnat mentioned: strictly cash and checks.
Card payments hitting a business bank account are simply bank deposits. As for the merchant fees being "shaved off," those are considered in-kind receipts (to close out the receivable at 100%), and the fee itself is an in-kind expense.
Whether you book that in-kind transaction for every single card swipe or just once during a set period is entirely up to the accountant's discretion.
Back when I handled them, I used to book them after every single payment. But if I were doing it today... I guess I might not be quite so "aggressive" about it. I'd probably have to weigh my options... then decide.🤔

I don't really get it. If I process a card payment as "cash," it automatically gets logged as cash in my accounts receivable ledger and ends up in my final reports. Why would a card payment be treated as cash during processing only to be categorized as a bank transfer later in the paperwork? Here is a direct excerpt from the IRS Small Business Tax Guide:

Sole proprietors liable for income tax who are required to issue receipts are also subject to fiscal reporting requirements.
All entities subject to fiscal reporting must:
1. Establish internal protocols for invoice numbering and maintain a registry of all business locations and their descriptions.
2. Any invoices issued by these entities for goods delivered or services rendered must include all legally mandated elements.
In addition to the data required by general tax law, VAT statutes, or other specific regulations, the invoice must contain the following:
A) Date and time of issuance – day, hour, and minute.
B) Invoice number – composed of three groups:
a) The sequence number – starting from 1 each calendar year, without gaps, assigned per business location or per point of sale.
The rules regarding the sequence of invoice numbers must be established by the taxpayer via an internal document at the start of the fiscal period.
b) Business location identifier – the rules for identifying locations must be set by the taxpayer through internal documentation.
c) Point of sale identifier – the specific terminal number for cash transactions, or the designated station ID for non-cash transactions.
C) Payment method designation – cash (bills, coins, checks, cards, etc.) or non-cash (wire transfers, letters of credit, promissory notes, etc.).
3. In any enclosed business premises, a notice must be clearly posted at every point of sale, or another visible area, stating the obligation to issue a receipt and the customer's responsibility to accept and retain it.
Richard Howard55 Richard Howard55 Regular
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#1034 ·
We’re discussing accounting for sole proprietorships here. To be clear, the most critical rules are found in the income tax regulation, not the tax compliance law. You keep citing articles from the tax compliance law, but those handle cash differently than the actual income tax regulations do—it's irrelevant since we're looking at how items are reported in the accounts receivable ledger and on Form P-PPI.

Here is a snippet from Article 8 of the income tax regulation regarding when revenue is actually recognized:

(9) The sale of goods or services is considered paid once a check is received. If payment is made via promissory note, the receipt occurs upon the collection or transfer of said note. If a credit card is used, the receipt is recognized when the funds hit the business checking account. In cases involving set-offs, assignments, or cesions, the moment of payment is defined by the fulfillment of specific conditions (such as the signing of the necessary contracts or legal documents).
shadowdrifter99 shadowdrifter99 Member
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joined Feb 2014
#1035 ·
Richard Howard55 said:We’re discussing accounting for sole proprietorships here. To be clear, the most critical rules are found in the income tax regulation, not the tax compliance law. You keep citing articles from the tax compliance law, but those handle cash differently than the actual income tax regulations do—it's irrelevant since we're looking at how items are reported in the accounts receivable ledger and on Form P-PPI.

Here is a snippet from Article 8 of the income tax regulation regarding when revenue is actually recognized:

(9) The sale of goods or services is considered paid once a check is received. If payment is made via promissory note, the receipt occurs upon the collection or transfer of said note. If a credit card is used, the receipt is recognized when the funds hit the business checking account. In cases involving set-offs, assignments, or cesions, the moment of payment is defined by the fulfillment of specific conditions (such as the signing of the necessary contracts or legal documents).

The point being made there is about the timing of the payment, not whether it's treated as cash or a bank deposit. It makes zero sense to claim a check counts as cash when the bank doesn't even drop the money into your account until the check actually clears.
Jessica Gonzalez30 Jessica Gonzalez30 Active Member
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#1036 ·
shadowdrifter99 said:The point being made there is about the timing of the payment, not whether it's treated as cash or a bank deposit. It makes zero sense to claim a check counts as cash when the bank doesn't even drop the money into your account until the check actually clears.

So, just to clarify—are you saying that if a small business owner pays for something using a credit card, you’d treat that the exact same way as if they handed you physical cash?
Carol Price4 Carol Price4 Regular
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#1037 ·
I think Richard Howard55 made a good point there—you’re kind of blurring the lines between tax compliance law and income tax regulation.

When it comes to KPIs, cash should only include what was actually paid in cash—basically just the banknotes and coins tracked under tax compliance law.

Cards, checks, and everything else? That all goes straight to the bank account. 👍
shadowdrifter99 shadowdrifter99 Member
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#1038 ·
Jessica Gonzalez30 said:So, just to clarify—are you saying that if a small business owner pays for something using a credit card, you’d treat that the exact same way as if they handed you physical cash?

That's an interesting way to look at it, mostly because I never touch cards—debit or credit, doesn't matter. It’s strictly cash and carry for me. 👍
I might be totally off base here, but I was chatting with some ladies over at the IRS the other day, and they mentioned that if the receipt says cash, then that's how you book it.
As for the register totals—whether it's actual bills, checks, or cards—I just dump everything into the accounts receivable ledger as a cash payment, regardless of when it actually cleared, just for the sake of the sales tax calculation. Honestly, it’s a complete mess where you can't tell who's calling the shots... one person at the IRS gives you one set of instructions, then an inspector rolls up later and tries to audit you based on a completely different rulebook. At the end of the day, they don't really care about my bookkeeping methods as long as the sales tax and income tax are paid in full. 😛
Charles Turner13 Charles Turner13 Member
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joined Jan 2013
#1039 ·
shadowdrifter99 said:The point being made there is about the timing of the payment, not whether it's treated as cash or a bank deposit. It makes zero sense to claim a check counts as cash when the bank doesn't even drop the money into your account until the check actually clears.

It’s because a check can essentially be cashed out for physical currency once it clears, allowing it to be used to pay for goods and services (back when checks were much more common in daily transactions).
With a credit card slip, you don't have the money in hand; you just have a request for the processing company to transfer the equivalent amount into your business account.
Charles Turner13 Charles Turner13 Member
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joined Jan 2013
#1040 ·
shadowdrifter99 said:That's an interesting way to look at it, mostly because I never touch cards—debit or credit, doesn't matter. It’s strictly cash and carry for me. 👍
I might be totally off base here, but I was chatting with some ladies over at the IRS the other day, and they mentioned that if the receipt says cash, then that's how you book it.
As for the register totals—whether it's actual bills, checks, or cards—I just dump everything into the accounts receivable ledger as a cash payment, regardless of when it actually cleared, just for the sake of the sales tax calculation. Honestly, it’s a complete mess where you can't tell who's calling the shots... one person at the IRS gives you one set of instructions, then an inspector rolls up later and tries to audit you based on a completely different rulebook. At the end of the day, they don't really care about my bookkeeping methods as long as the sales tax and income tax are paid in full. 😛

For me, the register total is strictly cash; I record any card transactions as receivables from the merchant processor. I book the cash receipts as one lump sum on the last day of the month, whereas card receipts are booked exclusively once the funds hit the bank statement.
About 90% of people dealing with the IRS haven't a clue about accounting, since most of them graduated from cosmetology school and landed those jobs through connections, so I wouldn't take their advice too seriously.

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