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Accounting for Sole Proprietors: Tax & Bookkeeping Tips

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Keith Martinez5 Keith Martinez5 Active Member
167 messages
joined Mar 2014
#1181 ·
I’ve run into a bit of a situation at my retail shop—I have some inventory that’s officially past its expiration date. It’s mostly various sprays and specialty cleaning supplies, and honestly, some of them have actually dried up completely in the bottles. Since I haven't dealt with this specific headache before, I was wondering if anyone could point me in the right direction? There are a few items in there where the value is around $333(specifically those high-end sealant products)... Basically, I need to figure out how to write this off properly, but I’m a little lost on the exact procedure to follow. Thanks in advance for any help!
placidlynx92 placidlynx92 Active Member
92 messages
joined Jan 2013
#1182 ·
Keith Martinez5 said:I’ve run into a bit of a situation at my retail shop—I have some inventory that’s officially past its expiration date. It’s mostly various sprays and specialty cleaning supplies, and honestly, some of them have actually dried up completely in the bottles. Since I haven't dealt with this specific headache before, I was wondering if anyone could point me in the right direction? There are a few items in there where the value is around $333(specifically those high-end sealant products)... Basically, I need to figure out how to write this off properly, but I’m a little lost on the exact procedure to follow. Thanks in advance for any help!

You can write it off based on the amount recognized for tax purposes under that HOK Decision, though honestly, those amounts usually hover around a measly 1% of total sales volume for any given product.
Another option is to hand the inventory over to a waste management company for destruction, but let's be real—that isn't free. If you go that route, you'll need to compile a list of the goods along with their retail value. Once you receive official confirmation or an invoice proving the items were destroyed, you just record the calculation in your inventory ledger and debit all those entries—effectively marking them as a loss.
There's also the possibility of calling in the IRS inspectors to come inspect the goods as waste. If they actually show up, they'll draft an official Report, which serves as your legal cover to justify the write-off.
Keith Martinez5 Keith Martinez5 Active Member
167 messages
joined Mar 2014
#1183 ·
placidlynx92 said:You can write it off based on the amount recognized for tax purposes under that HOK Decision, though honestly, those amounts usually hover around a measly 1% of total sales volume for any given product.
Another option is to hand the inventory over to a waste management company for destruction, but let's be real—that isn't free. If you go that route, you'll need to compile a list of the goods along with their retail value. Once you receive official confirmation or an invoice proving the items were destroyed, you just record the calculation in your inventory ledger and debit all those entries—effectively marking them as a loss.
There's also the possibility of calling in the IRS inspectors to come inspect the goods as waste. If they actually show up, they'll draft an official Report, which serves as your legal cover to justify the write-off.

Thanks, placidlynx92! I'll definitely try reaching out to the IRS. Since we specialize in auto body painting, we actually deal with hazardous waste, but since they categorize everything according to their specific classification codes, I'm not entirely sure if they could provide the exact kind of documentation I'm looking for.
Patrick Peterson49 Patrick Peterson49 Active Member
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joined Sep 2011
#1184 ·
Hey, I could really use some input here.
So, here's the deal—I've got a client who rents out vacation rentals, but he also runs a small business under the same SSN. Since the start of 2016, he's been registered for sales tax through his small business because he wanted to grab those equipment tax credits... So, my big question is: does that automatically pull his rental income into the sales tax system too, or is it separate?
If it's not automatic, should he be keeping the books totally separate or can they be combined? And if the rental stuff isn't subject to sales tax, where exactly am I supposed to report that income on the tax forms?
thanks!
placidlynx92 placidlynx92 Active Member
92 messages
joined Jan 2013
#1185 ·
Patrick Peterson49 said:Hey, I could really use some input here.
So, here's the deal—I've got a client who rents out vacation rentals, but he also runs a small business under the same SSN. Since the start of 2016, he's been registered for sales tax through his small business because he wanted to grab those equipment tax credits... So, my big question is: does that automatically pull his rental income into the sales tax system too, or is it separate?
If it's not automatic, should he be keeping the books totally separate or can they be combined? And if the rental stuff isn't subject to sales tax, where exactly am I supposed to report that income on the tax forms?
thanks!

Yes, it's automatic. That activity is now part of the VAT system, and everything needs to be recorded together in the books.
Patrick Peterson49 Patrick Peterson49 Active Member
76 messages
joined Sep 2011
#1186 ·
one IRS office says something totally different😁
placidlynx92 placidlynx92 Active Member
92 messages
joined Jan 2013
#1187 ·
Patrick Peterson49 said:one IRS office says something totally different😁

Which agency are we talking about, and what's their take? Honestly, I'm curious too—I dealt with a similar headache myself when dealing with a small business owner and his vacation rentals back in the day.😁
Patrick Peterson49 Patrick Peterson49 Active Member
76 messages
joined Sep 2011
#1188 ·
They’re claiming it doesn't fall under sales tax since it didn't pass through $76667 😁
Honestly, that makes zero sense to me—but hey, if the client insists on doing it that way because that's what the IRS told them... fine, we'll roll with it 🍿

It's like they're booked together, but you can't claim the tax credit if it's for a lease, whereas if it's for a small business, you can... plus, you submit one tax return, and honestly, I have no clue how we'd even file two under the same SSN when our business is set up like this 🤦
placidlynx92 placidlynx92 Active Member
92 messages
joined Jan 2013
#1189 ·
Patrick Peterson49 said:They’re claiming it doesn't fall under sales tax since it didn't pass through $76667 😁
Honestly, that makes zero sense to me—but hey, if the client insists on doing it that way because that's what the IRS told them... fine, we'll roll with it 🍿

It's like they're booked together, but you can't claim the tax credit if it's for a lease, whereas if it's for a small business, you can... plus, you submit one tax return, and honestly, I have no clue how we'd even file two under the same SSN when our business is set up like this 🤦

That logic just doesn't hold up. Renting out vacation properties is handled under flat-rate taxation, and it stays that way until the regulations change. Once someone enters the standard sales tax system, they can't just claim to be a flat-rate filer anymore.
If I were in your shoes, I’d demand they sign a waiver stating they take full responsibility for this approach:
everything gets booked together, but you can't claim the input tax if it’s strictly for rental income, whereas if it's categorized under a small business entity, it's deductible.

Actually, I'm not even sure she'd go that far. 👎
Patrick Peterson49 Patrick Peterson49 Active Member
76 messages
joined Sep 2011
#1190 ·
Totally with you on this—everything’s gonna be written down eventually...
amberbadger17 amberbadger17 Active Member
190 messages
joined May 2012
#1191 ·
This is total nonsense. I actually can't believe this. By their twisted logic, I could just register as a simple sole proprietorship even though my system shows I'm running a full-blown restaurant, and still put everything under my own name?!?

Absolute madness.
Patrick Peterson49 Patrick Peterson49 Active Member
76 messages
joined Sep 2011
#1192 ·
Sadly, they really are...
and we're talking about three different people from the IRS here—one's even the department head plus an inspector too🍿
Keith Martinez5 Keith Martinez5 Active Member
167 messages
joined Mar 2014
#1193 ·
I’m looking for a little guidance here... I have an outstanding invoice from back in 2015 that was actually paid, but I completely missed it—total oversight on my part—so I never officially closed it out. The amount isn't massive, just roughly $83. Since I didn't clear it, it naturally rolled over into my 2016 books. What would be the smoothest way to tidy this up without making a mess of things? Should I just issue a credit memo and record it with today's date as if it were a cash payment, or does anyone have a more elegant solution? Thanks in advance! 🙂
Peter Young5 Peter Young5 Member
35 messages
joined Jan 2015
#1194 ·
Does a seasonal business owner actually have to register their cash register for fiscalization at the start of every season—and then de-register it once they wrap up? Last season, the IRS inspectors were handing out fines left and right for exactly that kind of thing...
placidlynx92 placidlynx92 Active Member
92 messages
joined Jan 2013
#1195 ·
Peter Young5 said:Does a seasonal business owner actually have to register their cash register for fiscalization at the start of every season—and then de-register it once they wrap up? Last season, the IRS inspectors were handing out fines left and right for exactly that kind of thing...

Yeah, you can just handle it through the system settings—you basically just toggle the status between "open" with set business hours or "closed."
Raymond Martinez10 Raymond Martinez10 Active Member
236 messages
joined Oct 2009
#1196 ·
Patrick Peterson49 said:Sadly, they really are...
and we're talking about three different people from the IRS here—one's even the department head plus an inspector too🍿

Look, I can't argue with three officials, but the logic is completely flawed. By that reasoning, I could just split my ten rental properties into ten separate LLCs under one single EIN and magically dodge sales tax forever!?!?!?
Patrick Peterson49 Patrick Peterson49 Active Member
76 messages
joined Sep 2011
#1197 ·
It’s not even like they did me a favor—it's more like...
now the client is digging their heels in and insisting we do it exactly how they said, but I just know it's gonna be a total mess...
Keith Martinez5 Keith Martinez5 Active Member
167 messages
joined Mar 2014
#1198 ·
Reading through all these previous posts, it honestly feels like every single local IRS office in the country operates by its own set of unwritten rules. I’m currently running two different business activities under one LLC—and if you look at them individually, one stays well under the threshold to register for sales tax, while the other definitely hits it. But here's the kicker: since they both fall under the same EIN, they’re treated as one single entity for tax purposes. So, effectively, I'm stuck in the sales tax system 😕
stormybadger8 stormybadger8 Veteran
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joined Apr 2013
#1199 ·
It’s not like they have their own set of rules; it’s just obvious that in certain local police departments, you get officers who haven't the slightest clue what they're actually doing...
Just because they claim something is the rule doesn't mean it's actually written in the law.
Peter Young5 Peter Young5 Member
35 messages
joined Jan 2015
#1200 ·
So, I'm looking at a 25% rate, but am I supposed to be inputting the base amount along with the 22% sales tax?

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