Reestablishing the National Guard: Yes or no?

Jack Cook7 said:Honestly, the whole damn country feels like it's stuck in that Latin American Model way of doing things. Back then, military juntas were basically the glue holding that whole system together.

To me, it looks like the National Guard’s whole concept is actually pushing back against that.

Actually, I see the National Guard's concept as deeply patriotic—so much so that they inherently stand with the citizens.
The National Guard becomes essential the moment state agencies become alienated—when the government starts serving itself or political parties rather than the people.
They serve as a necessary lever of power—a guarantee of protection for true patriots who want to bring the country back under the umbrella of its citizens.
Isn't a unified National Guard at the federal level far better than the various party-aligned or local militias that pop up whenever a system begins to crumble?
You can't really rely on the Department of Justice during those moments—firstly, because they are there for a paycheck, and secondly, because they are always positioned to protect those in power. They simply lack the motivation.
As for the US Armed Forces, I'm not entirely sure what the current status is.
The National Guard would be a beacon of hope for the people.
Do you honestly think demilitarization and political purges in America would ever pass peacefully?
And why would that topic even be considered a trick?🤷

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jademoose6 says: The National Guard is built on pure patriotism, so they’ll always be on the side of the people. You need a National Guard when the government starts feeling totally disconnected from reality—when the state stops serving the people and starts just serving itself or political parties. The National Guard acts as a power balance and a guarantee for those patriots willing to step up and bring the country back under the people's control. I'd much rather have a unified National Guard at the federal level than all those random party-aligned or local militias popping up whenever the system starts falling apart. You can't count on the Department of Justice in those moments because, first off, they're just there for the paycheck, and second, they're always working to protect whoever's in power. They just don't have the drive. Not sure what the deal is with the US Armed Forces right now. But a National Guard? That would be a beacon of hope for regular citizens. Do you honestly think demilitarization and purging corrupt officials in America would go smoothly? Why would this topic even be considered a trick?🤷

Look, I'm telling you, this isn't some kind of trick.

A National Guard that's disciplined, both armed and unarmed, without any foreign influence, focusing on long-term human values and making the country better—which was the whole point back in 1990—that's something you can actually get behind.

It’s doable. It actually happens right here in the States—you have both regulated and unregulated militias.

Over the years, things shifted and evolved into the National Guard, while the unregulated side basically covers any able-bodied citizen who decides to pick up a rifle. If they want to arm themselves, that's on them.
They're just waiting for the government to overstep again so they can pull a 1776 and start a new revolution. 😁 🤣

(You see those hyper-charged right-wingers in the US acting like they're in a movie, setting up training camps and all that.)



Defending the Constitution and our freedom. 😬

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It’s a documentary covering the whole thing.

I’m advocating for a total overhaul of the US Armed Forces based on the Finnish and Israeli models. That means bringing back the draft, making service mandatory for women, and establishing something akin to a National Guard or a Territorial Defense Force. We need to return to a doctrine of total national defense and community self-reliance—where every family, town, and neighborhood is prepared to organize and defend itself.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Finnish_Defence_Forces

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israel_Defense_Forces

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Territorial_Defense

I also support reviving the "Home Guard" designation for our military, much like how the Canadians maintain their Canadian Defense Forces tradition. We should bring back all that classic Home Guard symbolism—insignia, uniforms, and so on. We could actually learn a thing or two from the Canadians, who preserved their heritage while our own forces have become nothing more than pale imitations of American counter-terrorism units.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hungarian_Defence_Force

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Home_Guard

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Home_Guard

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Home_Guard

And honestly, we need at least one cavalry unit. What kind of military is it without horsemen?

American Cavalry Hussars: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/10._Light_Dragoons

But clearly, this isn't what people want to discuss here...

The US Cavalry is still around, honestly, and they basically stay afloat through the whole government subsidy system.

I’d personally vote to bring back the National Guard designation within the US Armed Forces—specifically as the title for our professional brigades. That name actually carries some weight; it honors tradition and explicitly mentions the guard being for the people. It’s a hell of a lot better than those brain-dead terms they’ve forced on us lately, like "contractors" or just calling everything a "system."
If we're talking about some sort of local militia, then fine, let's use National Protection.

goldenpuma84 said:Heh, this smells like that Latin American Model approach to fixing social and economic issues. Kind of feels like we're stuck in the 70s...

And that’s pretty much all I have to say about the posturing and the general competence of the people pushing this nonsense.

For anyone actually paying attention—and I mean those who prefer substance over constant, loud-mouthed posturing—here is a quote from the people who actually chose the harder path instead of just rattling their sabers:

"A lot of people aren't going to like the policy shifts and management changes we're advocating for... But once the signal was sent from cities like Metković and Omiš, and before that from Primošten, there is no way to silence it for the rest of America. We've proven that citizens can make an impact when they take matters into their own hands, and that's something that can no longer be swept under the rug..."

Nikola Grmoja, Deputy Mayor of Metković, MOST Independent Listsa

Jerry Rogers6 said:And that’s pretty much all I have to say about the posturing and the general competence of the people pushing this nonsense.

For anyone actually paying attention—and I mean those who prefer substance over constant, loud-mouthed posturing—here is a quote from the people who actually chose the harder path instead of just rattling their sabers:

"A lot of people aren't going to like the policy shifts and management changes we're advocating for... But once the signal was sent from cities like Metković and Omiš, and before that from Primošten, there is no way to silence it for the rest of America. We've proven that citizens can make an impact when they take matters into their own hands, and that's something that can no longer be swept under the rug..."

Nikola Grmoja, Deputy Mayor of Metković, MOST Independent Listsa

It is precisely because of leaders like this that we need to organize a new National Guard—to watch their backs while they dig deep into the status quo.
We aren't talking about fixing things in a few small towns that happened to break free from the grip of organized crime and political machines; we need to dismantle the system at the national level.
In those towns, we're looking at tens of millions—but on a federal scale, we are talking billions.
Let's not forget that certain entrenched structures—call them the mob, the old guard, or the political machine, whatever you like—believe the deck is already stacked in their favor and they have no intention of playing fair.
I truly wonder, though—who is actually going to carry out state reform, de-politicization, or any real cleansing, given that we still have the current Department of Justice, the courts, and the Department of Homeland Security?
We have seen far too many times exactly how they operate and what the results look like.
Just look back at the Šime Krasić report—the wolf certainly ate the donkey there, didn't he?
And who is going to force Stjepan Mason out of the former president's office?
Who will shut down the sweetheart deals within the US Forest Service, or stop officials from being shuffled from one state agency to another once their schemes and embezzlement are uncovered?
Not to mention the waste management and private security industries...

Basically, you're talking about starting some kind of military hunting party.

If the people pushing this insane idea actually knew what this looks like in the real world and where it leads, they wouldn't be doing it. There are plenty of examples globally, and none of them are anything a sane person would ever want.
I don't even get how you envision this working. Who would such a National Guard group actually answer to? Just themselves? They’d be completely outside the system.

It's a joke of an idea and impossible to pull off.
The whole notion that some armed group could have virtually unlimited power is just plain crazy.

Seriously, what's the big deal? We already have an army, which is basically the successor to the National Guard, so I don't get why we're even talking about this.

@ jademoso6, I don't think there's any need for that—honestly, I try to avoid any kind of (bloody) rhetoric calling for some sort of storm involving an armed populace
Everything is already way too tense as it is, and this environment could turn into a powder keg in a heartbeat if certain vultures decide they smell blood in the water

Even just a small spark can be enough to kick off something more significant, if not a full-blown diversion
The goal is to make those folks in power feel the nerves... let them realize their time is running out

Bottom line: it is entirely possible to screw them over using strictly legal mechanisms

It’ll definitely be tougher in major metropolitan areas, but even there, you have to start neighborhood by neighborhood... for instance, the federal government could issue a franchise for national-level operations🤷😁

I honestly don't get why people won't get politically active, even at a local level, just to take care of their own backyard🤷 Political activism doesn't necessarily have to be a bad thing🤷

Jack Cook7 said:Asking this question is basically inviting the devil to dinner.

The laws from back in the day were actually set up so that even if you couldn't directly take on the federal government with a full military force, there was still a way for local folks to organize themselves.

It was through those same legal loopholes that the National Guard got their start—even if, let's be honest, the whole thing was still being pulled by the same old intelligence agencies behind the scenes.

Look, knowing our history—both the stuff we've lived through and what might be coming down the road—I am all for making it legal to form local, non-political groups that can step up and handle defense, whether things are peaceful or everything is going south.

Those local militias, or what they used to call the home guard here in America, were phased out back in 2003. But let's be real: nowadays, nobody has the interest or the budget for it anyway.

I honestly don't get why some people jump straight to imagining military coups.
I haven't mentioned weapons or violence once in any of my posts.
It’s just common sense—wouldn't you call someone a fool for stepping out into a storm without an umbrella?
What would be so wrong about having a local National Guard cell in every neighborhood?
Just honest, decent neighbors—real patriots who actually have your back.
They could stay organized and ready—you know, just in case anything ever comes up...

jademoose6 said:I honestly don't get why some people jump straight to imagining military coups.
I haven't mentioned weapons or violence once in any of my posts.
It’s just common sense—wouldn't you call someone a fool for stepping out into a storm without an umbrella?
What would be so wrong about having a local National Guard cell in every neighborhood?
Just honest, decent neighbors—real patriots who actually have your back.
They could stay organized and ready—you know, just in case anything ever comes up...

Look, that’s just a pipe dream. It doesn't work. You see this exact setup all the time—units made up of "loyal patriots" and supposedly "moral citizens," starting out without even any actual firepower. Look at those SA squads in Germany. The only real difference is they were started by a political party instead of the government, but if we're talking about how these things actually play out, that distinction is basically irrelevant.
Honestly? Any group of (semi)armed people claiming to be driven by nothing but "patriotism" and "morality" scares the hell out of me. And anyone who’s seen enough of the real world knows why...

jademoose6 said:I honestly don't get why some people jump straight to imagining military coups.
I haven't mentioned weapons or violence once in any of my posts.
It’s just common sense—wouldn't you call someone a fool for stepping out into a storm without an umbrella?
What would be so wrong about having a local National Guard cell in every neighborhood?
Just honest, decent neighbors—real patriots who actually have your back.
They could stay organized and ready—you know, just in case anything ever comes up...

Because that's usually how it plays out in the beginning.
Eventually, all sorts of shady characters slip in and slowly start pulling the strings to suit their own interests.
It isn't exactly hard to imagine a local dealer eventually morphing into some kind of wannabe warlord, or some smooth-talking manipulator convincing everyone they need to bow down to... well, whoever he decides he wants to rule over.

Why on earth hasn't this thread been locked yet? Honestly, someone needs to report the author to the Department of Justice for inciting the overthrow of the American constitutional order.🤷

darksurfer4 said:Why on earth hasn't this thread been locked yet? Honestly, someone needs to report the author to the Department of Justice for inciting the overthrow of the American constitutional order.🤷

🙂

It's a crazy idea, sure. But don't overdo it.

Bottom line—the government and this whole crowd of lockdown fanatics are violating our constitutional order and our laws on a daily basis.

Joseph Wright4 said:🙂

It's a crazy idea, sure. But don't overdo it.

Bottom line—the government and this whole crowd of lockdown fanatics are violating our constitutional order and our laws on a daily basis.

There is absolutely nothing unconstitutional about calling for the creation of an organization meant to provide oversight for the Department of Justice.🤷

darksurfer4 said:Why on earth hasn't this thread been locked yet? Honestly, someone needs to report the author to the Department of Justice for inciting the overthrow of the American constitutional order.🤷

Don't do it—you'll get šamiti 🤣