Colton Burpo: The boy who visited heaven

Admin, if you could move this to the right thread—I don't think one actually exists for this—I'm curious to get some perspectives here. Regarding this and similar stories, do you guys actually believe in this stuff?

Mark Newman3 said:Admin, if you could move this to the right thread—I don't think one actually exists for this—I'm curious to get some perspectives here. Regarding this and similar stories, do you guys actually believe in this stuff?

Scientists say they've confirmed near-death experiences (NASA)
A team over at the University of Michigan just wrapped up a study using models to simulate heart attack scenarios.
People having these NDEs often report all kinds of things—out-of-body sensations, flying toward a light, hallucinations, or just pure euphoria.

New research from the Michigan crew shows the brain stays active even after the heart stops beating, maybe even hitting a higher level of function right after a cardiac arrest.

Everyone describes their near-death moments differently, but based on these scientists, it’s not just people making things up...

As for that case you mentioned where every second word is JESUS... looks like a bunch of fanatics just pushing their faith.

Rebecca Sullivan6:
Scientists claim they have confirmed the reality of near-death experiences (NASA).
A team from the University of Michigan completed a study by putting subjects through similar heart attack scenarios.
Near-death experiences are often accompanied by various sensations, such as out-of-body feelings, flying toward a light, hallucinations, and an overwhelming sense of euphoria.

Exactly. There is nothing supernatural about it—just plain old hallucinations.

According to recent research, a research team in Michigan has proven that the brain remains conscious after the heart stops beating, and it can even function at a higher level immediately following a heart attack.

What exactly does "at a higher level" mean?

The way people describe their near-death experiences often varies, but if you were to believe these scientists, then it isn't just a product of someone's imagination.

Of course it isn't a product of the imagination; these are real experiences. But there is absolutely nothing supernatural involved—no "afterlife," no "astral projection." It is, as I stated, just basic hallucinations.

Now, this case you brought up where every other word is Jesus looks to me like some group of fanatics performing propaganda for their faith.

That's basically how it is.

Mark Newman3 said:Admin, if you could move this to the right thread—I don't think one actually exists for this—I'm curious to get some perspectives here. Regarding this and similar stories, do you guys actually believe in this stuff?

Of course not.

Look, I genuinely believe those experiences are real. We aren't just talking about some random hallucination triggered by the last few electrical impulses of a dying brain.
There are people who have actually gone through near-death experiences (NASA) where doctors were right there monitoring their brain waves.
During those moments, there was absolutely zero activity detected in the brain, which, if you ask me, is pretty solid evidence that consciousness isn't just some function localized in a specific center within the brain.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nhah5WdWRCk

Enjoy 🙂

NASA-style near-death experiences happen more often than you'd think; plenty of people have been there. Some don't even see heaven or hell—they’re just riding rainbows or hitting massive water slides. You think those trips are legit? Like, is there a cosmic water slide out there just as real as Jesus?

That’s exactly the point you're making. It’s impossible to tell what’s actually real from what isn't. Everything starts feeling surreal and abstract.
A few months back, I had this dream where I was flying right over my own house. I could look down and see into all my neighbors' backyards. The whole thing felt incredibly vivid. Now, just imagine what happens when you die. Suddenly, your brain starts pumping out dimethyltryptamine. Imagine if that compound just floods your entire mind and time itself grinds to a halt. A single second starts feeling like an eternity. And it’s not just about a NASA experience; you can reach similar states through deep meditation, though you have to get your body completely relaxed first to pull that off.

Mark Newman3 said:Admin, if you could move this to the right thread—I don't think one actually exists for this—I'm curious to get some perspectives here. Regarding this and similar stories, do you guys actually believe in this stuff?

Regardless of any explanations—be it faith or skepticism—children often say things they simply shouldn't know, given their age or experience.
Usually, people just brush it off as a child's imagination and move on.
When my son was about four, he started asking where "the uncle" was—the one who used to bring him those colorful candies.
Since he didn't have an uncle, and certainly no one had been dropping by with sweets, I decided to listen closely and probe a bit further.
I was quite taken aback when he began mentioning a black uniform, using a specific term in a foreign language—"schwarze uniform."
Slowly, through his descriptions of the man and his attire, I realized he was describing an SS uniform from World War II.

I made sure to write down everything he said, and eventually, a picture began to emerge.
He was describing someone who was clearly a Nazi officer; he even gave him a name, calling him Will (phonetically), and spoke of weapons, gunfire, and the thunderous roar of heavy artillery.
After a few months, the talk stopped entirely, and if I tried to bring it up, it was clear he no longer remembered a thing.
To this day, he has absolutely no recollection that these conversations ever took place.
My conclusion was that he was channeling memories from a child living during the late 1943–1945 period, back when Germany was under massive bombardment.
It is rather peculiar how quickly he picked up German—though he’s gifted with other languages too—almost as if he weren't learning it, but rather remembering it.
As for the boy mentioned in the original thread, it’s possible he is experiencing recollections, though if his parents were the ones writing about them and interpreting them, I suppose I can't be entirely certain of the credibility.

Sean Mitchell said:Look, I genuinely believe those experiences are real. We aren't just talking about some random hallucination triggered by the last few electrical impulses of a dying brain.
There are people who have actually gone through near-death experiences (NASA) where doctors were right there monitoring their brain waves.
During those moments, there was absolutely zero activity detected in the brain, which, if you ask me, is pretty solid evidence that consciousness isn't just some function localized in a specific center within the brain.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nhah5WdWRCk

Enjoy 🙂

Thanks for the entertainment, but this guy is basically asking us to believe in things he can't even explain himself—things that religion has already had answers for ages.

Dr. Eben Alexander doesn't really come across as some heavenly messenger bringing about a "shift in the scientific community." Honestly, he feels more like a protagonist from a cheesy Hollywood movie where people constantly find ways to escape the wreckage of their old lives through grand acts of self-reinvention.

If these encounters with hyper-reality were legitimate, they should be based on the life you've actually lived leading up to that moment. I mean, if you're descending into hell, shouldn't you get a warning to fix your act if you don't want to end up stuck there forever? And the flip side—that feeling of merging with Love... we don't even need to go there.

But seriously, I don't get how Eben Alexander's "consciousness" guided him through a beautiful valley of butterflies during his seven-day "vision," considering the man had a history of medical malpractice and even lost his license to practice neurosurgery because of it!

What a jerk! Giving everyone this one-size-fits-all experience. EEK!

Fake prophet.

Amy Brooks12 said:Thanks for the entertainment, but this guy is basically asking us to believe in things he can't even explain himself—things that religion has already had answers for ages.

Dr. Eben Alexander doesn't really come across as some heavenly messenger bringing about a "shift in the scientific community." Honestly, he feels more like a protagonist from a cheesy Hollywood movie where people constantly find ways to escape the wreckage of their old lives through grand acts of self-reinvention.

If these encounters with hyper-reality were legitimate, they should be based on the life you've actually lived leading up to that moment. I mean, if you're descending into hell, shouldn't you get a warning to fix your act if you don't want to end up stuck there forever? And the flip side—that feeling of merging with Love... we don't even need to go there.

But seriously, I don't get how Eben Alexander's "consciousness" guided him through a beautiful valley of butterflies during his seven-day "vision," considering the man had a history of medical malpractice and even lost his license to practice neurosurgery because of it!

What a jerk! Giving everyone this one-size-fits-all experience. EEK!

Fake prophet.

🤣 jerk, it is.

Colton Burpo: The boy who visited heaven

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Admin, please move me to the right thread if one exists. I’m curious about this and similar stories—do you actually believe in this stuff?

* btw I've never heard of this person. 🤷 Also, maybe explain a bit more about who we're talking about... I wouldn't have had any clue what was going on if Amy Brooks12 and Amary hadn't explained the situation and who was involved. 🙏

I just finished watching the movie and really enjoyed it. It was truly beautiful seeing what happened to the little boy in heaven. Personally, I hope to experience heaven myself one day!

Amy Brooks12 said:Thanks for the entertainment, but this guy is basically asking us to believe in things he can't even explain himself—things that religion has already had answers for ages.

Dr. Eben Alexander doesn't really come across as some heavenly messenger bringing about a "shift in the scientific community." Honestly, he feels more like a protagonist from a cheesy Hollywood movie where people constantly find ways to escape the wreckage of their old lives through grand acts of self-reinvention.

If these encounters with hyper-reality were legitimate, they should be based on the life you've actually lived leading up to that moment. I mean, if you're descending into hell, shouldn't you get a warning to fix your act if you don't want to end up stuck there forever? And the flip side—that feeling of merging with Love... we don't even need to go there.

But seriously, I don't get how Eben Alexander's "consciousness" guided him through a beautiful valley of butterflies during his seven-day "vision," considering the man had a history of medical malpractice and even lost his license to practice neurosurgery because of it!

What a jerk! Giving everyone this one-size-fits-all experience. EEK!

Fake prophet.

But what has religion actually explained? 😬Aside from making a huge mess with its own dogmas and rigid rules—creating all this confusion that just clouds things over and pushes people away from the light and the simplicity of the Truth itself.
Religion tried to claim the Truth in such a distorted, broken way—trying to turn it into a concept, a dogma, a set of rules... and they really messed that up. You can't own the Truth or trap it in a mold; you can't take something infinite and just limit it. It’s like how freedom and love can't be forced to serve the petty, selfish interests of this material world, and that’s really what we're talking about here. It feels more and more to me like religion was built by people who had plenty of book learning, but lacked the actual experience of what the mystics and prophets were talking about. So, they just complicated everything with their dogmas and rules, turning it into a total mess that nobody can make sense of—and then, of course, they served it up to the public just to look smart and educated, because they "know" things, because they are "close" friends with God 😁 while all we got in return from "our" religions were endless religious wars, bloodshed, and constant fighting among people of different faiths.

Eben Alexander looks less like a messenger from heaven bringing what he calls a "shift in the scientific community," and more like a typical character from an American movie, where people always find a way to escape the ruins of their old lives through some grand act of self-reinvention.

Just a bit of friendly advice... don't judge a person by their looks, or a book by its cover... otherwise, your comments end up sounding pretty superficial. 🙂

Encounters with ultra-reality should be based on the images of the life you lived leading up to that experience. For instance, if you're descending into hell, that should serve as a warning to change your ways if you don't want to end up there forever. And vice versa—the experience of merging with Love... but let's not even go there right now.

🙂

They "should," they "ought to," it's "not like this, it's like *my* religion says"... blah blah blah... You just can't limit the infinite and try to squeeze it into narrow human frameworks and limited ways of thinking and perceiving... honestly, we don't have a clue. Most of what we know is just stuff we heard from someone else, who heard it from someone else, who told someone else, who wrote a book, which we then read and absorbed, puffing ourselves up with "knowledge" and information... It's just a never-ending game of telephone.
Jesus also said that once we realize the Truth, that Truth will set us free. Real knowledge comes from within—from our very own souls. It’s necessary for us to encounter the Truth in the intimacy of our own being, without any middlemen. Neither the Church, nor the Pope, nor a priest, nor a pastor, nor a religious leader, nor a rabbi, or anyone else can do that for you. A person has to reach a point where the Truth reveals itself to them... Maybe the main issue is that when the Truth *is* revealed to some people, they immediately try to translate it into their own "language"—basically trying to cram it into religious dogma and the specific way of thinking they were conditioned by. But instead of opening up to the experience, they just become slaves to their own surroundings, which shuts them off from new experiences and even deeper insights.

I honestly don't get how Dr. Eben Alexander's conscience led him to such a beautiful valley of butterflies during his seven-day "vision" or experience—especially when we know he dealt with several cases of medical malpractice in his life, which actually cost him his license to practice as a neurosurgeon!

What a jerk! Trying to force a one-size-fits-all experience on everyone, yikes.

False prophet.

And besides, who are we to JUDGE anyone?! 🤷

Anyway, most real prophets were seen as frauds at first by those who dominated the religious life of society back then. They were persecuted and even killed because their messages and actions threatened the influence those leaders held over society. Later on, the children of those "murderers" and "persecutors" would repent for the sins of their fathers and give honor and eternal glory to the prophets—never quite grasping the irony of it all, since they ended up doing the exact same things to the prophets preaching in their own time.

Susan Price30 said:🤣 jerk, it is.

Colton Burpo: The boy who visited heaven

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Admin, please move me to the right thread if one exists. I’m curious about this and similar stories—do you actually believe in this stuff?

* btw I've never heard of this person. 🤷 Also, maybe explain a bit more about who we're talking about... I wouldn't have had any clue what was going on if Amy Brooks12 and Amary hadn't explained the situation and who was involved. 🙏

Again, I'll say it: who are we to JUDGE?!🤷

So what if you haven't heard of the person? Big deal... and for next time, maybe it would be better to do your own research instead of waiting for someone else to explain who it is and what happened. That way, you can see for yourself if the facts are right, and you can avoid taking on other people's opinions, biases, manipulations, or half-baked conclusions. Otherwise, without putting in your own effort to investigate, you just automatically adopt someone else's view and file it away in that specific little mental compartment they intended for it.😉

btw, I want to tell the author of this thread that whether you believe or not is absolutely irrelevant here. If we start focusing on believing or disbelieving, we're just playing a game of "telephone," making up all sorts of mental constructs just to support our own theories or assumptions. In the end, we don't gain anything except maybe a nice little story or a fairy tale...

What we really need to do is make our own breakthrough toward the Truth and into the Truth—but until that actually happens, we’ve got to find a way to shed all this extra, unnecessary baggage... 😉

nimbleranger5 said:But what has religion actually explained? 😬Aside from making a huge mess with its own dogmas and rigid rules—creating all this confusion that just clouds things over and pushes people away from the light and the simplicity of the Truth itself.
Religion tried to claim the Truth in such a distorted, broken way—trying to turn it into a concept, a dogma, a set of rules... and they really messed that up. You can't own the Truth or trap it in a mold; you can't take something infinite and just limit it. It’s like how freedom and love can't be forced to serve the petty, selfish interests of this material world, and that’s really what we're talking about here. It feels more and more to me like religion was built by people who had plenty of book learning, but lacked the actual experience of what the mystics and prophets were talking about. So, they just complicated everything with their dogmas and rules, turning it into a total mess that nobody can make sense of—and then, of course, they served it up to the public just to look smart and educated, because they "know" things, because they are "close" friends with God 😁 while all we got in return from "our" religions were endless religious wars, bloodshed, and constant fighting among people of different faiths.

Eben Alexander looks less like a messenger from heaven bringing what he calls a "shift in the scientific community," and more like a typical character from an American movie, where people always find a way to escape the ruins of their old lives through some grand act of self-reinvention.

Just a bit of friendly advice... don't judge a person by their looks, or a book by its cover... otherwise, your comments end up sounding pretty superficial. 🙂

Encounters with ultra-reality should be based on the images of the life you lived leading up to that experience. For instance, if you're descending into hell, that should serve as a warning to change your ways if you don't want to end up there forever. And vice versa—the experience of merging with Love... but let's not even go there right now.

🙂

They "should," they "ought to," it's "not like this, it's like *my* religion says"... blah blah blah... You just can't limit the infinite and try to squeeze it into narrow human frameworks and limited ways of thinking and perceiving... honestly, we don't have a clue. Most of what we know is just stuff we heard from someone else, who heard it from someone else, who told someone else, who wrote a book, which we then read and absorbed, puffing ourselves up with "knowledge" and information... It's just a never-ending game of telephone.
Jesus also said that once we realize the Truth, that Truth will set us free. Real knowledge comes from within—from our very own souls. It’s necessary for us to encounter the Truth in the intimacy of our own being, without any middlemen. Neither the Church, nor the Pope, nor a priest, nor a pastor, nor a religious leader, nor a rabbi, or anyone else can do that for you. A person has to reach a point where the Truth reveals itself to them... Maybe the main issue is that when the Truth *is* revealed to some people, they immediately try to translate it into their own "language"—basically trying to cram it into religious dogma and the specific way of thinking they were conditioned by. But instead of opening up to the experience, they just become slaves to their own surroundings, which shuts them off from new experiences and even deeper insights.

I honestly don't get how Dr. Eben Alexander's conscience led him to such a beautiful valley of butterflies during his seven-day "vision" or experience—especially when we know he dealt with several cases of medical malpractice in his life, which actually cost him his license to practice as a neurosurgeon!

What a jerk! Trying to force a one-size-fits-all experience on everyone, yikes.

False prophet.

And besides, who are we to JUDGE anyone?! 🤷

Anyway, most real prophets were seen as frauds at first by those who dominated the religious life of society back then. They were persecuted and even killed because their messages and actions threatened the influence those leaders held over society. Later on, the children of those "murderers" and "persecutors" would repent for the sins of their fathers and give honor and eternal glory to the prophets—never quite grasping the irony of it all, since they ended up doing the exact same things to the prophets preaching in their own time.

Again, I'll say it: who are we to JUDGE?!🤷

So what if you haven't heard of the person? Big deal... and for next time, maybe it would be better to do your own research instead of waiting for someone else to explain who it is and what happened. That way, you can see for yourself if the facts are right, and you can avoid taking on other people's opinions, biases, manipulations, or half-baked conclusions. Otherwise, without putting in your own effort to investigate, you just automatically adopt someone else's view and file it away in that specific little mental compartment they intended for it.😉

btw, I want to tell the author of this thread that whether you believe or not is absolutely irrelevant here. If we start focusing on believing or disbelieving, we're just playing a game of "telephone," making up all sorts of mental constructs just to support our own theories or assumptions. In the end, we don't gain anything except maybe a nice little story or a fairy tale...

What we really need to do is make our own breakthrough toward the Truth and into the Truth—but until that actually happens, we’ve got to find a way to shed all this extra, unnecessary baggage... 😉

I guess you actually enjoy it when he claims that hell isn't just temporary, but that it doesn't even exist at all. Yeah, right. That sounds like something straight out of a Hollywood script.

It’s honestly ridiculous. Most of what we think we know is just a game of telephone. You hear something from one person, who heard it from someone else, who heard it from some other guy, who then decided to write a book about it. So we read the book, swallow it whole, and suddenly we’re all walking around acting like we’ve mastered some profound "knowledge" or "information." It's all just secondhand noise passed down through a chain of people who probably didn't even get it right the first time.

Exactly. That’s how it goes. You’ve got one group of people just chasing whatever happens to be topping the bestseller lists this week, following trends like sheep. Then you’ve got everyone else—the ones who actually know what's up—who listen to the only Source that actually matters: Jesus Christ.

We really need to get to that point where we encounter the Truth within the absolute privacy of our own souls. No middleman. No barriers. Just direct access.Look, it’s not like the Church can do this for you. It doesn't matter if it's the Pope, a priest, a pastor, a patriarch, an imam, or a rabbi—none of them can pull this off on your behalf. No one else can step in and do the heavy lifting here. You have to reach that point yourself, where you've done the work and finally arrive at the stage where the Truth reveals itself to you.

You’re only half right. Honestly, whoever whispered that in your ear only gave you a fraction of the Truth. If you want the raw, unfiltered, all-powerful, and Victorious Truth, here it is...

There are no middlemen where the One resides.

There is only one Jesus Christ.

But instead of actually opening themselves up to those experiences, they just end up becoming slaves to their own surroundings. It’s like they get trapped by their environment, which ends up shutting them off from anything new or any chance at deeper understanding.

Everyone who chooses to be clothed in Jesus Christ through baptism doesn't have any business talking about bondage. In Him, there's no such thing as Jews or Greeks, no men or women, and no master or slave. Period.

And besides, who on earth are we to be JUDGING anyone?!

Let’s be real: most true prophets were branded as frauds by the religious gatekeepers of their day. They were persecuted and hunted down simply because their message threatened the status quo and the power those elites held over society. Then, fast forward a few generations, and the children of those very "murderers" and "persecutors" end up repenting for their fathers' sins, honoring those same prophets and giving them eternal glory. It’s pure irony—they end up doing the exact same things to the prophets preaching in their own era that their ancestors did.

Just half-truths and improvisations designed to brainwash people.

Jesus told the Samaritans:

You worship what you do not know, but we worship what we know

It's just like how Stalinists had no clue they were bowing to a system that would have wiped out brothers like Cyril and Methodius, completely indifferent to the fact that they'd leave everyone illiterate in the process.

What you're actually talking about here are those false prophets, because Jesus Christ, the Alpha and Omega, is the final prophet.
Jesus said:

Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets. I have not come to abolish them, but to fulfill them.

Watch out for any prophet who refuses to acknowledge what Jesus established, or any modern teacher who tries to elevate themselves above God.

the laziness of his mind

Whose mind? Are we talking about the one you claim knows nothing, or the one that Dr. Jerk calls an “unconscious mind” 😲 which is apparently too preoccupied suffering through these bottom-tier "insights," "awakenings" (if you want to use the jargon from this PDF), and those “out there memories” (in Dr. Jerk’s little vocabulary)? EEEK!

I’m honestly not surprised you're siding with Dr. Jerk while trying to guard yourself against every other "influence." You’re falling headfirst into his "out there" narrative—which, by the way, is a much more sophisticated attempt to dodge responsibility for the millions in legal fees, debts, and malpractice suits he racked up before being kicked off the list of practicing neurosurgeons. And that happened right before his little trip to the "other side." It’s a lot smarter than the attempts made by poor Michael Jackson, who, facing similar private crises, bounced from Judaism to Islam. Hmmmmm... well, this doctor actually managed to pull it off where Jack couldn't: returning from "beyond the veil" with amnesia and somehow managing to fix his pituitary gland back from what was likely, in my opinion, an eternal hell he was probably 😲 EEK creating by squeezing information out of his neurosurgery patients while they were in post-op amnesia.

It would be tragic if it weren't so hilarious.

Amy Brooks12 said:I guess you actually enjoy it when he claims that hell isn't just temporary, but that it doesn't even exist at all. Yeah, right. That sounds like something straight out of a Hollywood script.

It’s honestly ridiculous. Most of what we think we know is just a game of telephone. You hear something from one person, who heard it from someone else, who heard it from some other guy, who then decided to write a book about it. So we read the book, swallow it whole, and suddenly we’re all walking around acting like we’ve mastered some profound "knowledge" or "information." It's all just secondhand noise passed down through a chain of people who probably didn't even get it right the first time.

Exactly. That’s how it goes. You’ve got one group of people just chasing whatever happens to be topping the bestseller lists this week, following trends like sheep. Then you’ve got everyone else—the ones who actually know what's up—who listen to the only Source that actually matters: Jesus Christ.

We really need to get to that point where we encounter the Truth within the absolute privacy of our own souls. No middleman. No barriers. Just direct access.Look, it’s not like the Church can do this for you. It doesn't matter if it's the Pope, a priest, a pastor, a patriarch, an imam, or a rabbi—none of them can pull this off on your behalf. No one else can step in and do the heavy lifting here. You have to reach that point yourself, where you've done the work and finally arrive at the stage where the Truth reveals itself to you.

You’re only half right. Honestly, whoever whispered that in your ear only gave you a fraction of the Truth. If you want the raw, unfiltered, all-powerful, and Victorious Truth, here it is...

There is only one Jesus Christ.

But instead of actually opening themselves up to those experiences, they just end up becoming slaves to their own surroundings. It’s like they get trapped by their environment, which ends up shutting them off from anything new or any chance at deeper understanding.

Everyone who chooses to be clothed in Jesus Christ through baptism doesn't have any business talking about bondage. In Him, there's no such thing as Jews or Greeks, no men or women, and no master or slave. Period.

And besides, who on earth are we to be JUDGING anyone?!

Let’s be real: most true prophets were branded as frauds by the religious gatekeepers of their day. They were persecuted and hunted down simply because their message threatened the status quo and the power those elites held over society. Then, fast forward a few generations, and the children of those very "murderers" and "persecutors" end up repenting for their fathers' sins, honoring those same prophets and giving them eternal glory. It’s pure irony—they end up doing the exact same things to the prophets preaching in their own era that their ancestors did.

Just half-truths and improvisations designed to brainwash people.

Jesus told the Samaritans:

It's just like how Stalinists had no clue they were bowing to a system that would have wiped out brothers like Cyril and Methodius, completely indifferent to the fact that they'd leave everyone illiterate in the process.

What you're actually talking about here are those false prophets, because Jesus Christ, the Alpha and Omega, is the final prophet.
Jesus said:

Watch out for any prophet who refuses to acknowledge what Jesus established, or any modern teacher who tries to elevate themselves above God.

the laziness of his mind

Whose mind? Are we talking about the one you claim knows nothing, or the one that Dr. Jerk calls an “unconscious mind” 😲 which is apparently too preoccupied suffering through these bottom-tier "insights," "awakenings" (if you want to use the jargon from this PDF), and those “out there memories” (in Dr. Jerk’s little vocabulary)? EEEK!

I’m honestly not surprised you're siding with Dr. Jerk while trying to guard yourself against every other "influence." You’re falling headfirst into his "out there" narrative—which, by the way, is a much more sophisticated attempt to dodge responsibility for the millions in legal fees, debts, and malpractice suits he racked up before being kicked off the list of practicing neurosurgeons. And that happened right before his little trip to the "other side." It’s a lot smarter than the attempts made by poor Michael Jackson, who, facing similar private crises, bounced from Judaism to Islam. Hmmmmm... well, this doctor actually managed to pull it off where Jack couldn't: returning from "beyond the veil" with amnesia and somehow managing to fix his pituitary gland back from what was likely, in my opinion, an eternal hell he was probably 😲 EEK creating by squeezing information out of his neurosurgery patients while they were in post-op amnesia.

It would be tragic if it weren't so hilarious.
There is only one Jesus Christ.

But instead of actually opening themselves up to those experiences, they just end up becoming slaves to their own surroundings. It’s like they get trapped by their environment, which ends up shutting them off from anything new or any chance at deeper understanding.

Everyone who chooses to be clothed in Jesus Christ through baptism doesn't have any business talking about bondage. In Him, there's no such thing as Jews or Greeks, no men or women, and no master or slave. Period.

And besides, who on earth are we to be JUDGING anyone?!

Let’s be real: most true prophets were branded as frauds by the religious gatekeepers of their day. They were persecuted and hunted down simply because their message threatened the status quo and the power those elites held over society. Then, fast forward a few generations, and the children of those very "murderers" and "persecutors" end up repenting for their fathers' sins, honoring those same prophets and giving them eternal glory. It’s pure irony—they end up doing the exact same things to the prophets preaching in their own era that their ancestors did.

Just half-truths and improvisations designed to brainwash people.

Jesus told the Samaritans:

It's just like how Stalinists had no clue they were bowing to a system that would have wiped out brothers like Cyril and Methodius, completely indifferent to the fact that they'd leave everyone illiterate in the process.

What you're actually talking about here are those false prophets, because Jesus Christ, the Alpha and Omega, is the final prophet.
Jesus said:

Watch out for any prophet who refuses to acknowledge what Jesus established, or any modern teacher who tries to elevate themselves above God.

the laziness of his mind

Whose mind? Are we talking about the one you claim knows nothing, or the one that Dr. Jerk calls an “unconscious mind” 😲 which is apparently too preoccupied suffering through these bottom-tier "insights," "awakenings" (if you want to use the jargon from this PDF), and those “out there memories” (in Dr. Jerk’s little vocabulary)? EEEK!

I’m honestly not surprised you're siding with Dr. Jerk while trying to guard yourself against every other "influence." You’re falling headfirst into his "out there" narrative—which, by the way, is a much more sophisticated attempt to dodge responsibility for the millions in legal fees, debts, and malpractice suits he racked up before being kicked off the list of practicing neurosurgeons. And that happened right before his little trip to the "other side." It’s a lot smarter than the attempts made by poor Michael Jackson, who, facing similar private crises, bounced from Judaism to Islam. Hmmmmm... well, this doctor actually managed to pull it off where Jack couldn't: returning from "beyond the veil" with amnesia and somehow managing to fix his pituitary gland back from what was likely, in my opinion, an eternal hell he was probably 😲 EEK creating by squeezing information out of his neurosurgery patients while they were in post-op amnesia.

It would be tragic if it weren't so hilarious.
There is only one Jesus Christ.

But instead of actually opening themselves up to those experiences, they just end up becoming slaves to their own surroundings. It’s like they get trapped by their environment, which ends up shutting them off from anything new or any chance at deeper understanding.

Everyone who chooses to be clothed in Jesus Christ through baptism doesn't have any business talking about bondage. In Him, there's no such thing as Jews or Greeks, no men or women, and no master or slave. Period.

And besides, who on earth are we to be JUDGING anyone?!

Let’s be real: most true prophets were branded as frauds by the religious gatekeepers of their day. They were persecuted and hunted down simply because their message threatened the status quo and the power those elites held over society. Then, fast forward a few generations, and the children of those very "murderers" and "persecutors" end up repenting for their fathers' sins, honoring those same prophets and giving them eternal glory. It’s pure irony—they end up doing the exact same things to the prophets preaching in their own era that their ancestors did.

Just half-truths and improvisations designed to brainwash people.

Jesus told the Samaritans:

It's just like how Stalinists had no clue they were bowing to a system that would have wiped out brothers like Cyril and Methodius, completely indifferent to the fact that they'd leave everyone illiterate in the process.

What you're actually talking about here are those false prophets, because Jesus Christ, the Alpha and Omega, is the final prophet.
Jesus said:

Watch out for any prophet who refuses to acknowledge what Jesus established, or any modern teacher who tries to elevate themselves above God.

the laziness of his mind

Whose mind? Are we talking about the one you claim knows nothing, or the one that Dr. Jerk calls an “unconscious mind” 😲 which is apparently too preoccupied suffering through these bottom-tier "insights," "awakenings" (if you want to use the jargon from this PDF), and those “out there memories” (in Dr. Jerk’s little vocabulary)? EEEK!

I’m honestly not surprised you're siding with Dr. Jerk while trying to guard yourself against every other "influence." You’re falling headfirst into his "out there" narrative—which, by the way, is a much more sophisticated attempt to dodge responsibility for the millions in legal fees, debts, and malpractice suits he racked up before being kicked off the list of practicing neurosurgeons. And that happened right before his little trip to the "other side." It’s a lot smarter than the attempts made by poor Michael Jackson, who, facing similar private crises, bounced from Judaism to Islam. Hmmmmm... well, this doctor actually managed to pull it off where Jack couldn't: returning from "beyond the veil" with amnesia and somehow managing to fix his pituitary gland back from what was likely, in my opinion, an eternal hell he was probably 😲 EEK creating by squeezing information out of his neurosurgery patients while they were in post-op amnesia.

It would be tragic if it weren't so hilarious.
Hell isn't some physical location or a specific point in time; it exists within the human consciousness. It’s not even a permanent state—that’s one of those ancient myths people struggle to wrap their heads around. Much of this was cooked up during church councils, much like other heresies that have bled into the Holy Bible. One major example is the distorted depiction of Satan, which has caused nothing but massive anxiety for countless people.

Historically speaking, if you look at art or the historical perspective of Christianity, there are far more depictions of hell (personal impressions of suffering) than there are of heaven. Heaven is also a state of consciousness, though the difference is that heaven can be a collective experience, whereas hell is individual—it's happening right now inside the minds of many. Liberation from all of this is guaranteed to everyone. That is what Christ talks about, not threats, torture, or eternal punishment by fire. Christ—as the embodiment of God in human form—is incapable of hate, let alone inflicting eternal torment.

Based on what I’ve learned—though I haven't experienced it firsthand—hell is a reality, and one could potentially spend an eternity there. However, if you have managed to do even one good thing in your lifetime, there remains a possibility for healing.

electrictinker26 said:Based on what I’ve learned—though I haven't experienced it firsthand—hell is a reality, and one could potentially spend an eternity there. However, if you have managed to do even one good thing in your lifetime, there remains a possibility for healing.

First off, a person can't actually wrap their head around hell because it's just a concept born of the mind; they can't grasp eternity either, because it goes far beyond anything the human brain can process. Now, having lived through my own version of "hellish suffering"—through long, deep, and incredibly heavy bouts of anxious depression and everything that comes with it—I can tell you that I have truly been "in hell." That is a far cry from just imagining it or blindly accepting some miserable theory that requires nothing but blind faith.

The idea of eternal damnation feels like a torture tactic built on pure imagination. Most people can't even conceive of it; they probably just mistake it for a phobia or try to link it to some fear they felt once in their lives. To me, hell isn't a destination—hell IS a state of consciousness. For some, it lasts a lifetime; for others, it comes in waves. If someone is enduring a lifelong struggle similar to what I endured for months, I tip my hat to them. They are truly living in a hell that feels endless—which, in a way, makes it eternal—even though we know it eventually ends. When you're hurting, a single day can feel like forever.

Unlike the abstract concept of an "eternal hell," you can actually visualize Heaven right here among us. It’s about achieving a level of harmony that can only exist when everyone reaches a certain state of being—though whether that's even possible is a whole different debate. Heaven isn't just some opposite flip side of hell, either. And it certainly doesn't just kick in after the "Final Judgment" for a handful of incredibly blessed souls who live lives like Mother Teresa. Honestly, besides her, maybe two or three other people on this entire planet meet those heavenly standards. Let's be real: most people are just well-organized pawns in a much larger game, easily led astray because the bar for sainthood is set so impossibly high, regardless of how many times they sit in a pew or pray to Christ.

- So, this could exclusively apply to Catholics (not Protestants, not Orthodox, not anyone else—just Catholics). That means we're really left looking at someone like Mother Teresa, assuming there's even enough of a quorum to support her case at this tiny table.

🤷

Someone who actually went through it described being in the depths of hell—a place far beyond anything our human imagination could conjure. He was an atheist, plain and simple, and basically told God that if He truly existed, He needed to pull him out of that nightmare. In that exact instant, he was met with the Divine, radiating absolute light. Personally, I believe we hold the reins; we choose whether we want love or something else entirely. There is so much more to this than meets the eye, and I truly believe someone could find their way to heaven even without a traditional belief in God. At the end of the day, it’s the intention that counts.

Amy Brooks12 said:I guess you actually enjoy it when he claims that hell isn't just temporary, but that it doesn't even exist at all. Yeah, right. That sounds like something straight out of a Hollywood script.

It’s honestly ridiculous. Most of what we think we know is just a game of telephone. You hear something from one person, who heard it from someone else, who heard it from some other guy, who then decided to write a book about it. So we read the book, swallow it whole, and suddenly we’re all walking around acting like we’ve mastered some profound "knowledge" or "information." It's all just secondhand noise passed down through a chain of people who probably didn't even get it right the first time.

Exactly. That’s how it goes. You’ve got one group of people just chasing whatever happens to be topping the bestseller lists this week, following trends like sheep. Then you’ve got everyone else—the ones who actually know what's up—who listen to the only Source that actually matters: Jesus Christ.

We really need to get to that point where we encounter the Truth within the absolute privacy of our own souls. No middleman. No barriers. Just direct access.Look, it’s not like the Church can do this for you. It doesn't matter if it's the Pope, a priest, a pastor, a patriarch, an imam, or a rabbi—none of them can pull this off on your behalf. No one else can step in and do the heavy lifting here. You have to reach that point yourself, where you've done the work and finally arrive at the stage where the Truth reveals itself to you.

You’re only half right. Honestly, whoever whispered that in your ear only gave you a fraction of the Truth. If you want the raw, unfiltered, all-powerful, and Victorious Truth, here it is...

There is only one Jesus Christ.

But instead of actually opening themselves up to those experiences, they just end up becoming slaves to their own surroundings. It’s like they get trapped by their environment, which ends up shutting them off from anything new or any chance at deeper understanding.

Everyone who chooses to be clothed in Jesus Christ through baptism doesn't have any business talking about bondage. In Him, there's no such thing as Jews or Greeks, no men or women, and no master or slave. Period.

And besides, who on earth are we to be JUDGING anyone?!

Let’s be real: most true prophets were branded as frauds by the religious gatekeepers of their day. They were persecuted and hunted down simply because their message threatened the status quo and the power those elites held over society. Then, fast forward a few generations, and the children of those very "murderers" and "persecutors" end up repenting for their fathers' sins, honoring those same prophets and giving them eternal glory. It’s pure irony—they end up doing the exact same things to the prophets preaching in their own era that their ancestors did.

Just half-truths and improvisations designed to brainwash people.

Jesus told the Samaritans:

It's just like how Stalinists had no clue they were bowing to a system that would have wiped out brothers like Cyril and Methodius, completely indifferent to the fact that they'd leave everyone illiterate in the process.

What you're actually talking about here are those false prophets, because Jesus Christ, the Alpha and Omega, is the final prophet.
Jesus said:

Watch out for any prophet who refuses to acknowledge what Jesus established, or any modern teacher who tries to elevate themselves above God.

the laziness of his mind

Whose mind? Are we talking about the one you claim knows nothing, or the one that Dr. Jerk calls an “unconscious mind” 😲 which is apparently too preoccupied suffering through these bottom-tier "insights," "awakenings" (if you want to use the jargon from this PDF), and those “out there memories” (in Dr. Jerk’s little vocabulary)? EEEK!

I’m honestly not surprised you're siding with Dr. Jerk while trying to guard yourself against every other "influence." You’re falling headfirst into his "out there" narrative—which, by the way, is a much more sophisticated attempt to dodge responsibility for the millions in legal fees, debts, and malpractice suits he racked up before being kicked off the list of practicing neurosurgeons. And that happened right before his little trip to the "other side." It’s a lot smarter than the attempts made by poor Michael Jackson, who, facing similar private crises, bounced from Judaism to Islam. Hmmmmm... well, this doctor actually managed to pull it off where Jack couldn't: returning from "beyond the veil" with amnesia and somehow managing to fix his pituitary gland back from what was likely, in my opinion, an eternal hell he was probably 😲 EEK creating by squeezing information out of his neurosurgery patients while they were in post-op amnesia.

It would be tragic if it weren't so hilarious.
There is only one Jesus Christ.

But instead of actually opening themselves up to those experiences, they just end up becoming slaves to their own surroundings. It’s like they get trapped by their environment, which ends up shutting them off from anything new or any chance at deeper understanding.

Everyone who chooses to be clothed in Jesus Christ through baptism doesn't have any business talking about bondage. In Him, there's no such thing as Jews or Greeks, no men or women, and no master or slave. Period.

And besides, who on earth are we to be JUDGING anyone?!

Let’s be real: most true prophets were branded as frauds by the religious gatekeepers of their day. They were persecuted and hunted down simply because their message threatened the status quo and the power those elites held over society. Then, fast forward a few generations, and the children of those very "murderers" and "persecutors" end up repenting for their fathers' sins, honoring those same prophets and giving them eternal glory. It’s pure irony—they end up doing the exact same things to the prophets preaching in their own era that their ancestors did.

Just half-truths and improvisations designed to brainwash people.

Jesus told the Samaritans:

It's just like how Stalinists had no clue they were bowing to a system that would have wiped out brothers like Cyril and Methodius, completely indifferent to the fact that they'd leave everyone illiterate in the process.

What you're actually talking about here are those false prophets, because Jesus Christ, the Alpha and Omega, is the final prophet.
Jesus said:

Watch out for any prophet who refuses to acknowledge what Jesus established, or any modern teacher who tries to elevate themselves above God.

the laziness of his mind

Whose mind? Are we talking about the one you claim knows nothing, or the one that Dr. Jerk calls an “unconscious mind” 😲 which is apparently too preoccupied suffering through these bottom-tier "insights," "awakenings" (if you want to use the jargon from this PDF), and those “out there memories” (in Dr. Jerk’s little vocabulary)? EEEK!

I’m honestly not surprised you're siding with Dr. Jerk while trying to guard yourself against every other "influence." You’re falling headfirst into his "out there" narrative—which, by the way, is a much more sophisticated attempt to dodge responsibility for the millions in legal fees, debts, and malpractice suits he racked up before being kicked off the list of practicing neurosurgeons. And that happened right before his little trip to the "other side." It’s a lot smarter than the attempts made by poor Michael Jackson, who, facing similar private crises, bounced from Judaism to Islam. Hmmmmm... well, this doctor actually managed to pull it off where Jack couldn't: returning from "beyond the veil" with amnesia and somehow managing to fix his pituitary gland back from what was likely, in my opinion, an eternal hell he was probably 😲 EEK creating by squeezing information out of his neurosurgery patients while they were in post-op amnesia.

It would be tragic if it weren't so hilarious.
There is only one Jesus Christ.

But instead of actually opening themselves up to those experiences, they just end up becoming slaves to their own surroundings. It’s like they get trapped by their environment, which ends up shutting them off from anything new or any chance at deeper understanding.

Everyone who chooses to be clothed in Jesus Christ through baptism doesn't have any business talking about bondage. In Him, there's no such thing as Jews or Greeks, no men or women, and no master or slave. Period.

And besides, who on earth are we to be JUDGING anyone?!

Let’s be real: most true prophets were branded as frauds by the religious gatekeepers of their day. They were persecuted and hunted down simply because their message threatened the status quo and the power those elites held over society. Then, fast forward a few generations, and the children of those very "murderers" and "persecutors" end up repenting for their fathers' sins, honoring those same prophets and giving them eternal glory. It’s pure irony—they end up doing the exact same things to the prophets preaching in their own era that their ancestors did.

Just half-truths and improvisations designed to brainwash people.

Jesus told the Samaritans:

It's just like how Stalinists had no clue they were bowing to a system that would have wiped out brothers like Cyril and Methodius, completely indifferent to the fact that they'd leave everyone illiterate in the process.

What you're actually talking about here are those false prophets, because Jesus Christ, the Alpha and Omega, is the final prophet.
Jesus said:

Watch out for any prophet who refuses to acknowledge what Jesus established, or any modern teacher who tries to elevate themselves above God.

the laziness of his mind

Whose mind? Are we talking about the one you claim knows nothing, or the one that Dr. Jerk calls an “unconscious mind” 😲 which is apparently too preoccupied suffering through these bottom-tier "insights," "awakenings" (if you want to use the jargon from this PDF), and those “out there memories” (in Dr. Jerk’s little vocabulary)? EEEK!

I’m honestly not surprised you're siding with Dr. Jerk while trying to guard yourself against every other "influence." You’re falling headfirst into his "out there" narrative—which, by the way, is a much more sophisticated attempt to dodge responsibility for the millions in legal fees, debts, and malpractice suits he racked up before being kicked off the list of practicing neurosurgeons. And that happened right before his little trip to the "other side." It’s a lot smarter than the attempts made by poor Michael Jackson, who, facing similar private crises, bounced from Judaism to Islam. Hmmmmm... well, this doctor actually managed to pull it off where Jack couldn't: returning from "beyond the veil" with amnesia and somehow managing to fix his pituitary gland back from what was likely, in my opinion, an eternal hell he was probably 😲 EEK creating by squeezing information out of his neurosurgery patients while they were in post-op amnesia.

It would be tragic if it weren't so hilarious.
Oh yeah, totally... I’m just loving this, I’m practically shaking with excitement here... 🤣 🙄

All jokes aside for a second 😁, first off, I don't actually know what this American neurosurgeon is saying in the video (I haven't watched it) or what his book covers—though I’ve heard his name pop up here and there while browsing the web. I haven't read his book "proof of heaven" myself (though now I might, since you gave such a glowing recommendation—and honestly, usually if someone gets attacked and dismissed right out of the gate, it means they're onto something. Thanks to you, it clearly sounds worth a read; maybe you've even convinced someone else too, go girl!! 😁...you definitely have a knack for marketing) 😲 😬

Real life isn't just some Hollywood fairy tale with a perfect happy ending; it involves genuine agony, anxiety, and those deep questions that keep us up at night and leave us feeling restless and heavy. We live in this complex, dualistic world of joy and sorrow, bright moments and dark moods, depression and elation—it's all tangled together, constantly shifting and bleeding into one another. It reminds me of what that 18th-century Swedish scientist, philosopher, and mystic Emanuel Swedenborg once noted—that reward and punishment are internal states rather than external consequences, meaning heaven or hell are things we carry within ourselves.

At the end of the day, whatever Dr. Eben Alexander is saying and writing is his own experience. Whether we choose to believe him or not is entirely up to us; he shares his story, and we decide if it rings true. It’s pretty simple—people have to decide who they will place their faith in. These kinds of stories can certainly be pure fiction or part of some "spiritual" business scheme designed for quick cash, but they could also be absolutely true, perhaps even sent by Him.

Yeah, that's exactly how people who chase bestsellers operate, while others listen only to the one true Source, which is Jesus Christ.

Goodness, goodness 🙂, you really don't realize how much you've been fed all sorts of vague info, theological interpretations of the Bible, and random ideas about God. You're so shaped by your culture, social trends, and the environment you grew up in... it all blends together in you (and in me, don't think I'm any different). It’s so obvious because you're mocking someone you don't even know and throwing out arguments you haven't truly studied—just things you've picked up from news clips, media, or an acquaintance. You don't actually know the person being discussed here; you're just talking and judging. Your posts really show how full of prejudice we humans can be toward anything we don't understand or anything that doesn't fit our specific way of thinking.

It’s only half right—because whoever whispered that into your ear only gave you half the Truth. The raw, powerful, Victorious Truth is that

there are no intermediaries where the One

and Jesus Christ is just one.

Nobody "whispered" this to me—this is my own personal experience, coming from deep within my very Being.

I agree with you that there are no middlemen when you're facing the One. You come to know Him just as you are born and die; you pass through those gates yourself. All the teachers, all their doctrines, books, and sacred writings can only lead you to the threshold, but you have to cross that threshold on your own to enter where the One resides.

All those who clothe themselves in Jesus Christ through baptism don't know bondage, because in Him, there are no Jews, no Greeks, no male, no female, no slave, no master.

Baptism is just a formal act, pure symbolism that doesn't mean a thing if it doesn't come from within—if the Holy Spirit doesn't descend from above. For someone like that, a thousand baptisms and pouring water over them is totally useless.

And I actually agree with Jesus Christ 😁 who says there is no Jew, no Greek, no male, no female, no slave, no master. 👍

Half-truths and improvisations meant to brainwash people.

And you think you aren't being brainwashed? You think you haven't been stuffed full of half-baked, half-true information by The Church?

What you're actually talking about are those false prophets, because Jesus Christ, the Alpha and the Omega, is the final prophet.
Jesus said:

Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets. I have not come to abolish, but to fulfill.

Watch out for prophets who don't recognize what Jesus established, and for the teachers of their time who exalt themselves above the living God.

Muslims claim—well, they believe—that Muhammad is the final Prophet; according to Islam, he is the last messenger of God. He doesn't exalt himself above the living God, but rather gives Him all the glory and praise. And yet, those same Muslims respect Jesus Christ as a messenger of God and speak of Him with great and profound reverence... so where does that leave us?!

Don't try to tell me what Jesus said. He said plenty of things—including that we should love our neighbors and even our enemies as ourselves.

Jesus came to fulfill the Law or the Prophets precisely because a certain moment in human history had arrived—a shift in consciousness among a specific group of people that would allow them to accept (to understand) His teachings and follow Him. It's because now, Jesus turns toward humanity and toward love for mankind. Jesus fulfilled what Moses began. In the Old Testament: "eye for an eye, tooth for a tooth," and in the New Testament: "love your neighbor as yourself."

I mean, I can't say I'm surprised you're a fan of Dr. Jerk...

Look, I'm not saying I'm for Dr. Alexander, nor am I against him—if you can't wrap your head around that, then there's really nothing more to say.

electrictinker26 said:Based on what I’ve learned—though I haven't experienced it firsthand—hell is a reality, and one could potentially spend an eternity there. However, if you have managed to do even one good thing in your lifetime, there remains a possibility for healing.

Then all those teachings of yours don't mean much, my friend... 🙂

@ yakuzza I'm right there with you—really interesting stuff and some great posts here 👍