Are LGBT groups and their lobbyists making inappropriate statements?

Is destroying marriage the ultimate endgame for the LGBT movement?

And of course, we hit the absolute peak of insanity here. Slaven Crnić, a cultural studies master from Seattle, a queer activist, and a workshop leader for the Pride Parade who was sitting front and center, practically vibrating with impatience to talk more about his Marxist agenda, ended up saying what they didn't even have time to finish during the debate:

"When you look at this on a political, activist, and philosophical level—and how those levels bleed into public discourse—it means the LGBT movement is inherently leftist. For ten years now, within the context of the Middle East, amidst wild privatization, surging nationalism, and the crushing of workers' rights and all those mental and philosophical constructs regarding property—we don't actually view marriage as private property anymore; we’re communicating that marriage should be destroyed... Regarding the question of marriage, I agree that marriage should be abolished, so it doesn't look like I'm defending the right to marry, but marriage, just like other rights, is private property. It's the same way factories or various technological achievements are. In that context, I think we have to conclude that the LGBT movement is, a priori, a radically left-wing movement..."

Gordan Duhaček, the current coordinator for the Pride Parade and the panel moderator, basically said he agreed with everything Slaven said and then wrapped up the session.

The Pride Parade even shared the video of the panel on Facebook with the caption: "Note that the best part comes right at the end."

That "best part" the Pride Parade is so warmly recommending can be found at the 1:29 mark:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EcMO33Yhj7c

That's the tail end of the text; you can find the full thing over at http://zdravstveniodgoj.com/news/je-...j-lgbt-pokreta

Just pure conspiracy theories, right? ☕

I mean, let’s be real, it’s hardly some big secret 🤷

Look, Braun just refuses to see what's right in front of his face. They're constantly demanding more proof, but if this doesn't cut it for them, then I honestly don't know what will. 🤷

If it were just about the LGBT movement, we wouldn't have much to worry about.
Unfortunately, they're just puppets on a string; the real damage to our traditional way of life is being done by much bigger, more powerful players.

I suspect their ultimate endgame is to secure legal recognition for everyone else through legislative mandates, state-sponsored education, and—if all else fails—through the sheer force of social pressure, ensuring they are deemed "normal" and equal to the rest of society

But now we move on to marriage; let’s discuss that particular complication next.

I’d go along with the idea that this isn't just some isolated agenda from the LGBT movement—it feels more like a morbidly ambitious blueprint being pushed by much larger power structures. Viktor Orbán made his position crystal clear during his speech earlier this week. There’s no need to hunt for shadows here; everything is out in the open.

Before I hit my fourth point, let me pull from something a former president of a Central European nation wrote in one of his books. He argued there’s a political conspiracy brewing in Europe, driven by Green and leftist factions, aimed directly at undermining nations. Honestly? My take on the situation is a bit different. A conspiracy implies secrecy, but what we’re seeing playing out across Europe right now is a completely overt assault by the Red and Green coalitions against traditional societal values—targeting the church, the family, and the nation itself. Look, we can certainly have a debate about the future of Christianity and the role of the church, but let me borrow a line from a wise Englishman: “we might harbor the deepest doubts about the future of Christianity, but I am certain it is not the mission of politicians to kill it.”

It’s not even really about the gay community itself—they’re just out there fighting for their rights. It's more about the Frankfurt School. They aren't actually looking out for anyone; they're just pushing this agenda to tear down marriage, the family unit, and eventually all of Western Civilization

Jessica Kelly4 said:If it were just about the LGBT movement, we wouldn't have much to worry about.
Unfortunately, they're just puppets on a string; the real damage to our traditional way of life is being done by much bigger, more powerful players.

Maybe check this out: http://www.komaja.org/hr/polyamory_manifest.php

The Polyamory Manifesto

Or, how to build and sustain deep polyamorous relationships

😲😁

How does a group making up less than 10% of the population manage to tear down the entire institution of marriage—something that’s supposed to be a universal right and the natural result of love and building a life together?

bluerider63 said:How does a group making up less than 10% of the population manage to tear down the entire institution of marriage—something that’s supposed to be a universal right and the natural result of love and building a life together?

Maybe you'll find 10% in certain neighborhoods in Amsterdam or New York,

But if I remember correctly, in most Western societies, we're talking maybe 3% at most.

The push to dismantle marriage is just a pit stop on the road; the ultimate objective is the total annihilation of Christianity and Western Civilization itself. The LGBT movement is merely one of many tools being deployed to achieve this end. It’s the cultural Marxists who are actually pulling the strings behind the scenes.

Interesting how the liberals just vanished. They haven't really made much noise yet. ☕

bluerider63 said:How does a group making up less than 10% of the population manage to tear down the entire institution of marriage—something that’s supposed to be a universal right and the natural result of love and building a life together?

This isn't just about LGBT people. That's only one slice of what's actually going on in this movement.

Sure they can, depending on where they stand or where they end up landing in society.

Benjamin Taylor6 said:Maybe check this out: http://www.komaja.org/hr/polyamory_manifest.php

The Polyamory Manifesto

Or, how to build and sustain deep polyamorous relationships

😲😁

When you've got absolutely nothing intelligent to contribute... ☕

Here we go again. Just another installment in this endless, multi-year saga of media hit pieces that—if you ask me—are doing nothing but stirring up unnecessary drama and inciting hate for absolutely no reason.

I can't believe this stuff keeps happening. I was just scrolling through Index and saw this latest mess—honestly, it’s getting ridiculous at this point. You see these headlines and you just have to shake your head. It feels like every time we think things are settling down, some new drama pops up out of nowhere. It’s wild how much noise there is around these issues lately. One minute everyone is acting like everything is fine, and the next, it’s a total circus. Honestly, if you aren't paying attention, you're missing half the story, but even when you *are* paying attention, it’s exhausting! Just one thing after another. Anyway, what do you guys think? Is it just me, or is the whole situation getting more absurd by the day?

Title: Markić and his crusade to "destroy the LGBT portal!" Clearly, they’re spiraling because the referendum isn't going their way.

I can't even begin to process this excerpt. It’s just... wow.

Jurčić: They’re freaking out, so now they're throwing around lawsuits!

Honestly, the groups fighting for LGBT rights aren't even blinking at this latest stunt from the "In the Name of the Family" initiative. They just filed a criminal complaint against that activist site Crol.hr, and yeah, it’s exactly what you'd expect.

Marko Jurčić told Index that this whole move is a dead giveaway. He thinks Željko Markić and the "In the Name of the Family" initiative are totally panicking because their big referendum plan isn't going exactly how they dreamed it would. Now, they’re just out there suing everyone in sight to try and stay relevant.

"This whole initiative is just a massive scam targeting everyday citizens by manipulating signatures," Jurčić said. "Since they can't seem to find a way to fast-track democracy, they’re resorting to these rushed, desperate moves and filing baseless lawsuits. On top of that, 'In the Name of the Family' and healthieducation.com share the exact same bank account, which basically proves they're the same organization. While 'In the Name of the Family' plays it safe with neutral language, their other project—the healthieducation.com initiative—is absolutely loaded with hate speech and violent rhetoric. It’s a textbook case of double standards."

Look, Crol.hr is just running a standard news site here. They’ve got actual journalists doing their jobs, and they're super quick about scrubbing any comments that cross the line into hate speech. It’s pretty routine stuff. But then you have Željka Markić—she actually filed a formal complaint after the site had already wiped out all those hateful comments herself! So, the site did its part, and she still went ahead with the legal report.

He’s out here claiming that Americans need to wake up and realize that "In the Name of the Family" and healthieducation.com are actually just two different faces of the exact same organization, all run by the same person.

Sanja Juras, who heads up the legal team over at Kontra and their Index initiative, was just pointing out that Section 325 of the Penal Code isn't some random rule. She says the whole reason they put that specific part of the Penal Code in there was to protect vulnerable minorities from being targeted by violence. Basically, it’s about keeping people safe.

"Look, Željko Markić’s little initiative isn't some marginalized group fighting for rights—it’s basically just a group set up to stir the pot and spread hate against the LGBT community," Sanja Juras told us. She also pointed out that they can't even lean on that article, and honestly, they don't have a leg to stand on for filing any complaints since Crol.hr already wiped out all those nasty comments. At the end of the day, this is just a direct attack on a news outlet trying to report on protecting LGBT human rights.

Here’s what Marko Jurčić had to say:

Marko Jurčić told Index that this whole move is just a dead giveaway. He thinks Željko Markić and his "In the Name of the Family" group are starting to panic because their big referendum plan isn't going exactly how they dreamed it would. Now, they’re just out there suing everyone in sight.

This whole initiative is nothing but a massive scam designed to play people with their signatures. Since they can't find a way to fast-track democracy, they’re just resorting to these desperate, half-baked moves and filing totally baseless lawsuits.

It’s pure manipulation, plain and simple. This whole referendum process is just dragging on because the people in power are throwing everything they can at it to stall us. You've got the administration, Marko Jurčić, and those LGBT lobbyists all working together to block progress—and honestly, they conveniently forget the "Q" whenever they address the public. Terms like "a total fraud against the citizens," "signature tampering," "rushed moves," or calling things "baseless accusations"? That’s textbook. It's a classic case of weaponizing buzzwords just to throw shade and make the other side look bad. Total manipulation.

Picture this: first, you go out of your way to grind the democratic process down to a halt. Then, the second the other side points out how painfully slow everything is moving, you flip the script and accuse *them* of manipulating things, being in a total panic, and making reckless moves.

If that isn't straight-up manipulation and Machiavellian scheming, I don't know what is. Maybe it's just pure panic.

Here’s another thing Sanja Juras said:

"The initiative led by Željko Markić is not a threatened minority, but rather a group created specifically to incite hatred against LGBT people."

The first part of that statement is complete nonsense. "The initiative led by Željko Markić is not a threatened minority"—what is that even supposed to mean? Can someone please explain that one to me?

Then comes the second part, which "logically" follows the first: "but rather a group created specifically to incite hatred against LGBT people."

She’s claiming that the group represented by Željko Markić exists solely to spread hate.

Now, this is getting into legal territory. Ms. Juras is throwing around accusations against a legitimate organization, claiming they were built for the express purpose of fueling hate toward a specific group, all without providing a single shred of actual evidence. Honestly, it feels like Ms. Juras is the one publicly inciting hatred here. It’s about time these groups were held to some actual common sense.

Jack Cook7 said:Here we go again. Just another installment in this endless, multi-year saga of media hit pieces that—if you ask me—are doing nothing but stirring up unnecessary drama and inciting hate for absolutely no reason.

I can't believe this stuff keeps happening. I was just scrolling through Index and saw this latest mess—honestly, it’s getting ridiculous at this point. You see these headlines and you just have to shake your head. It feels like every time we think things are settling down, some new drama pops up out of nowhere. It’s wild how much noise there is around these issues lately. One minute everyone is acting like everything is fine, and the next, it’s a total circus. Honestly, if you aren't paying attention, you're missing half the story, but even when you *are* paying attention, it’s exhausting! Just one thing after another. Anyway, what do you guys think? Is it just me, or is the whole situation getting more absurd by the day?

Title: Markić and his crusade to "destroy the LGBT portal!" Clearly, they’re spiraling because the referendum isn't going their way.

I can't even begin to process this excerpt. It’s just... wow.

Jurčić: They’re freaking out, so now they're throwing around lawsuits!

Honestly, the groups fighting for LGBT rights aren't even blinking at this latest stunt from the "In the Name of the Family" initiative. They just filed a criminal complaint against that activist site Crol.hr, and yeah, it’s exactly what you'd expect.

Marko Jurčić told Index that this whole move is a dead giveaway. He thinks Željko Markić and the "In the Name of the Family" initiative are totally panicking because their big referendum plan isn't going exactly how they dreamed it would. Now, they’re just out there suing everyone in sight to try and stay relevant.

"This whole initiative is just a massive scam targeting everyday citizens by manipulating signatures," Jurčić said. "Since they can't seem to find a way to fast-track democracy, they’re resorting to these rushed, desperate moves and filing baseless lawsuits. On top of that, 'In the Name of the Family' and healthieducation.com share the exact same bank account, which basically proves they're the same organization. While 'In the Name of the Family' plays it safe with neutral language, their other project—the healthieducation.com initiative—is absolutely loaded with hate speech and violent rhetoric. It’s a textbook case of double standards."

Look, Crol.hr is just running a standard news site here. They’ve got actual journalists doing their jobs, and they're super quick about scrubbing any comments that cross the line into hate speech. It’s pretty routine stuff. But then you have Željka Markić—she actually filed a formal complaint after the site had already wiped out all those hateful comments herself! So, the site did its part, and she still went ahead with the legal report.

He’s out here claiming that Americans need to wake up and realize that "In the Name of the Family" and healthieducation.com are actually just two different faces of the exact same organization, all run by the same person.

Sanja Juras, who heads up the legal team over at Kontra and their Index initiative, was just pointing out that Section 325 of the Penal Code isn't some random rule. She says the whole reason they put that specific part of the Penal Code in there was to protect vulnerable minorities from being targeted by violence. Basically, it’s about keeping people safe.

"Look, Željko Markić’s little initiative isn't some marginalized group fighting for rights—it’s basically just a group set up to stir the pot and spread hate against the LGBT community," Sanja Juras told us. She also pointed out that they can't even lean on that article, and honestly, they don't have a leg to stand on for filing any complaints since Crol.hr already wiped out all those nasty comments. At the end of the day, this is just a direct attack on a news outlet trying to report on protecting LGBT human rights.

Here’s what Marko Jurčić had to say:

Marko Jurčić told Index that this whole move is just a dead giveaway. He thinks Željko Markić and his "In the Name of the Family" group are starting to panic because their big referendum plan isn't going exactly how they dreamed it would. Now, they’re just out there suing everyone in sight.

This whole initiative is nothing but a massive scam designed to play people with their signatures. Since they can't find a way to fast-track democracy, they’re just resorting to these desperate, half-baked moves and filing totally baseless lawsuits.

It’s pure manipulation, plain and simple. This whole referendum process is just dragging on because the people in power are throwing everything they can at it to stall us. You've got the administration, Marko Jurčić, and those LGBT lobbyists all working together to block progress—and honestly, they conveniently forget the "Q" whenever they address the public. Terms like "a total fraud against the citizens," "signature tampering," "rushed moves," or calling things "baseless accusations"? That’s textbook. It's a classic case of weaponizing buzzwords just to throw shade and make the other side look bad. Total manipulation.

Picture this: first, you go out of your way to grind the democratic process down to a halt. Then, the second the other side points out how painfully slow everything is moving, you flip the script and accuse *them* of manipulating things, being in a total panic, and making reckless moves.

If that isn't straight-up manipulation and Machiavellian scheming, I don't know what is. Maybe it's just pure panic.

Here’s another thing Sanja Juras said:

"The initiative led by Željko Markić is not a threatened minority, but rather a group created specifically to incite hatred against LGBT people."

The first part of that statement is complete nonsense. "The initiative led by Željko Markić is not a threatened minority"—what is that even supposed to mean? Can someone please explain that one to me?

Then comes the second part, which "logically" follows the first: "but rather a group created specifically to incite hatred against LGBT people."

She’s claiming that the group represented by Željko Markić exists solely to spread hate.

Now, this is getting into legal territory. Ms. Juras is throwing around accusations against a legitimate organization, claiming they were built for the express purpose of fueling hate toward a specific group, all without providing a single shred of actual evidence. Honestly, it feels like Ms. Juras is the one publicly inciting hatred here. It’s about time these groups were held to some actual common sense.

Let them, let them. For years now, I've felt that people like them should be taken down mercilessly, but strictly using their own tactics—through the legal system, things like referendums, civil lawsuits, and so on. Now they're clearly confused that their own weapons have been turned right back against them, so they're just whining and crying about it. Let them whine. We'll just sit tight and wait for the day when a referendum is finally called.

I honestly feel like some of the people mentioned above could really benefit from a private, one-on-one sit-down with a professional psychiatrist... It makes you wonder, though—hasn't the LGBT community actually been the most vocal group lately when it comes to pushing for legal marriage equality? So, how is it that they’re the ones supposedly questioning the very institution of marriage in the first place? Is this just some new conspiracy unfolding on our stage?

Hey everyone, have we really sunk to the level of that old paraphrased slogan: We're all basically on Željko Markić's side here?

Ugh, it’s pure déjà vu for me... the kind of thing you all seem to dread so much, yet you've clearly never actually experienced it yourselves, so you just talk big without having any clue what legally established mind control actually feels like... 🙄

The government needs to stop handing them cash, but oh wait, then we'd have to talk about church funding. 🙂

So, I just posted this video on political news where the LGBT crowd basically admits they want to tear marriage apart, and now suddenly Jurasica and Jurčić are acting like they're the victims here. Make up your minds already. ☕

Can we please stick to the actual topic here—the need to call out the hate speech coming from various LGBT groups, their spokespeople, and their lobbyists?

If some member of the LGBT community, an activist from one of those organizations, or whoever else claims they want to dismantle marriage, that’s not what this thread is about.

Jack Cook7 said:Can we please stick to the actual topic here—the need to call out the hate speech coming from various LGBT groups, their spokespeople, and their lobbyists?

If some member of the LGBT community, an activist from one of those organizations, or whoever else claims they want to dismantle marriage, that’s not what this thread is about.

For now, just making sure democratic processes are respected should be enough. This whole "destroying marriage" thing? That’s way beyond mere hate speech.

Listen, if we push too hard, they’ll just start whining. Honestly, they're probably hoping to provoke someone just so they have an excuse to play the victim. I said we should take action, but I’m still on the fence. For now, sticking to the basics is plenty.

A Master’s in Cultural Studies??? Ha! Just another amateur with zero actual work experience getting paid through taxpayer money or some foreign donations.
Besides, Karl Marx himself said marriage is the most natural community between a man and a woman. I’d love to hear what this guy thinks about that.

brightheron64 said:I honestly feel like some of the people mentioned above could really benefit from a private, one-on-one sit-down with a professional psychiatrist... It makes you wonder, though—hasn't the LGBT community actually been the most vocal group lately when it comes to pushing for legal marriage equality? So, how is it that they’re the ones supposedly questioning the very institution of marriage in the first place? Is this just some new conspiracy unfolding on our stage?

Hey everyone, have we really sunk to the level of that old paraphrased slogan: We're all basically on Željko Markić's side here?

Ugh, it’s pure déjà vu for me... the kind of thing you all seem to dread so much, yet you've clearly never actually experienced it yourselves, so you just talk big without having any clue what legally established mind control actually feels like... 🙄

I gotta be honest, I didn't quite catch the brilliance in this massive wealth of thought here.🤷

Can you actually explain what you're trying to say here?😕