Are LGBT groups and their lobbyists making inappropriate statements?

France strips officials of conscience rights regarding same-sex weddings

Before the law passed this past May legalizing same-sex marriage in France, a massive wave of French mayors acting as officiants stood up and said they wouldn't perform those ceremonies. Around 20,100 of them actually banded together under an association called "Mayor for a Child" to protect civil servants who have religious or moral objections to marrying same-sex couples. Take Jean-Michel Colo, the mayor over in Arcangues near Biarritz—he refused to marry two men alongside seven of his assistants. He racked up about 1,500 letters of support in June, but ended up getting threatened with a lawsuit by the couple involved. Honestly? The guy wasn't sweating fines, jail time, or even being kicked out of office. "If I have to go to the guillotine, so be it!" Jean-Michel Colo declared. The "Mayor for a Child" group had his back, too. "We're ready to foot the bill for his legal defense," said Franck Meyer, the group's spokesperson. "Look, we respect the mayors who choose to marry same-sex couples, but that respect has to go both ways. You've got to respect the people refusing this 'civilizational shift' forced on them by this law. Their freedom of conscience matters." Too bad the Supreme Court, the highest legal authority in France, just ruled that mayors don't get to claim conscience protections.

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Long live Europe!

Long live democracy!

Long live human rights!

Look, I’ve got zero issues with them registering as a domestic partnership—just like that Secretary of State announced. Basically, just a legal union for same-sex couples.
I mean, they live together, so they should have rights to inheritance or pension benefits if a partner passes away—it's just common sense. But adoption? That’s where I draw the line.

Well, if they just went ahead and euthanized them all—exactly how some people here seem to suggest I would—I don't think we'd ever actually get to that point.🙂
(responding to redbear12)

rowdytiger13 said:Well, if they just went ahead and euthanized them all—exactly how some people here seem to suggest I would—I don't think we'd ever actually get to that point.🙂
(responding to redbear12)

Honestly, don't you think everything this LGBTQ+ lobby is pushing has already crossed the line into blatant fascism and totalitarianism? If things keep going down this path, we’ll be looking at a future where people end up behind bars just for saying "being gay isn't okay." This isn't going to fly in America, no matter how much you all dream about it.

rowdytiger13 said:Well, if they just went ahead and euthanized them all—exactly how some people here seem to suggest I would—I don't think we'd ever actually get to that point.🙂
(responding to redbear12)

I didn't pull this whole mess in France out of thin air. And I certainly didn't make up that part where the guy basically gives the green light to destroying marriage without anyone standing up to him. 😍

Maybe the stuff he’s talking about, or just the general vibe over in France, is one of those situations where things are mostly bad, but there's a tiny bit of good mixed in. There's a little light in every dark situation, right? 🙂

restlesscrane152 said:If we can't even agree on the facts, then there's really nothing left to talk about.

You don't even need to see eye to eye to have a real conversation. 😉
It’s honestly such a struggle to talk to you because you just dodge any actual facts I bring up. You just cherry-pick whatever little bits from my posts fit your narrative. Spot on. You missed the mark on that one.

Gregory Hall66 said:Let's look at the actual facts:

Over the past year, barely a dozen members of the LGBTQ+ community reported any kind of violence, and those reports came primarily through advocacy groups.
(so let us return to those hysterical cries for help found in the links I shared earlier in this thread)

And these figures tell a very clear story: we are witnessing nothing more than pure manipulation and outright falsehoods.

That is precisely why they are so desperately targeting cities like Miami.
It will likely be followed by places like Imotski, Sinj, and other towns throughout the Zagora region.
It seems as though if anyone were to simply glance at them the wrong way—anything at all—they would immediately claim to be under threat, just so they can play the victim.

However, these statistics actually demonstrate the high level of civility and tolerance within American society. They reveal that these self-proclaimed "defenders and warriors for LGBTQ+ rights" are, in reality, nothing but manipulators poisoning the public discourse.
We live in a society that accepts differences, yet one that still holds firmly to its own core values.

Got hit right in the gut again. 👍

It’s pretty wild how the media outlets that act like total cheerleaders for activist groups and all things LGBT just completely ignore every single targeted attack on someone in the community. It's like they only care when it fits their narrative.
The last thing I remember was that whole mess in San Francisco involving a girl and a taxi driver. The media went absolutely wild, spinning this massive narrative about an attack on a lesbian, only for it to turn out that her orientation had nothing to do with the fight. The girl herself never even claimed she was targeted for being gay—she stuck to that story during the actual investigation with the DOJ too. Most of her injuries were just scrapes from tripping on the pavement while drunk. But hey, some people just can't handle the truth, so they keep twisting things to manufacture a drama that isn't even there.

Quincy:

The cops totally missed the biggest part of their report. They’re acting like this wasn't a hate crime, but we know damn well it was motivated by her sexual orientation. Since the police did such a lazy job investigating, we already filed a formal complaint with the Department of Justice. If they won't step up, we're taking it to court ourselves—Warren Buffett is convinced she didn't just get pushed, she was straight-up assaulted.

Look, if there were actually a ton of hate crimes targeting gay people for their orientation, you bet your life the media and those activist groups would be screaming about it on every front page. But since that’s not really what's happening, they’re just desperate to manufacture hate crime narratives out of thin air. It's like what Page said—these activists just need some kind of tragedy so they can play the victim and start swinging at everyone in sight.

Casey Mitchell72, yeah—basically making a mountain out of a molehill.

I’ve been scrolling through this entire thread, and frankly, I haven't encountered a single instance of hate speech coming from any of the LGBTQ+ advocacy groups.

Could someone please rename this thread? The current title is completely devoid of logic.

bluecyclist64 said:I’ve been scrolling through this entire thread, and frankly, I haven't encountered a single instance of hate speech coming from any of the LGBTQ+ advocacy groups.

Could someone please rename this thread? The current title is completely devoid of logic.

From Wikipedia:

Hate speech is basically any verbal or written stuff meant to publicly provoke or incite hatred against a specific group—or even just one person—based on who they are. It’s all about fueling intolerance, division, discrimination, or violence, or just making existing hatred even worse by blowing it out of proportion.

The thing is, LGBT organizations and activists do the exact same thing to certain groups (like religious people) and individuals who don't fit their mold.

If we're calling it "hate speech" when people just hold different values while being tolerant, then we definitely have every right to call out the rhetoric from these activist groups who have their own set of values but totally refuse to tolerate anyone else.

Casey Mitchell72 said:From Wikipedia:

Hate speech is basically any verbal or written stuff meant to publicly provoke or incite hatred against a specific group—or even just one person—based on who they are. It’s all about fueling intolerance, division, discrimination, or violence, or just making existing hatred even worse by blowing it out of proportion.

The thing is, LGBT organizations and activists do the exact same thing to certain groups (like religious people) and individuals who don't fit their mold.

If we're calling it "hate speech" when people just hold different values while being tolerant, then we definitely have every right to call out the rhetoric from these activist groups who have their own set of values but totally refuse to tolerate anyone else.

Instead of dancing around the issue, why don't you just give me a concrete EXAMPLE of hate speech?
Where and when, specifically, has someone from the LGBTQ+ community utilized actual hate speech?

bluecyclist64 said:I’ve been scrolling through this entire thread, and frankly, I haven't encountered a single instance of hate speech coming from any of the LGBTQ+ advocacy groups.

Could someone please rename this thread? The current title is completely devoid of logic.

Did you even watch the video though?

redbear12 said:Did you even watch the video though?

Which video are we talking about? You didn't provide a link.
My connection is acting up and crawling along today. What exactly is being claimed in this supposed video?

redbear12 said:Did you even watch the video though?

A rather charming little incident.
Or whatever they call physical assaults on people with differing opinions these days.

bluecyclist64 said:Which video are we talking about? You didn't provide a link.
My connection is acting up and crawling along today. What exactly is being claimed in this supposed video?

Jason Campbell70 said:A rather charming little incident.
Or whatever they call physical assaults on people with differing opinions these days.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EcMO33Yhj7c

Check out 1:29, pretty interesting.

Look, Jason Campbell70, are you actually making a point here or just trolling? It’s hilarious how the liberals suddenly go silent on this one, yet they won't stop spewing their usual garbage. ☕

redbear12 said:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EcMO33Yhj7c

Check out 1:29, pretty interesting.

Look, Jason Campbell70, are you actually making a point here or just trolling? It’s hilarious how the liberals suddenly go silent on this one, yet they won't stop spewing their usual garbage. ☕

Well, I'll weigh in on the video...
Duhacek really needs to do something about that level of stupidity; it's getting ridiculous. At this rate, he'll have a heart attack just from reading all this.

redbear12 said:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EcMO33Yhj7c

Check out 1:29, pretty interesting.

Look, Jason Campbell70, are you actually making a point here or just trolling? It’s hilarious how the liberals suddenly go silent on this one, yet they won't stop spewing their usual garbage. ☕

What exactly is supposed to be "interesting"?

And more importantly, where is this legendary "hate speech" everyone keeps shouting about? I sat through about four minutes of this, and frankly, I didn't see anything remotely controversial.

rowdytiger13 said:Well, I'll weigh in on the video...
Duhacek really needs to do something about that level of stupidity; it's getting ridiculous. At this rate, he'll have a heart attack just from reading all this.

bluecyclist64 said:What exactly is supposed to be "interesting"?

And more importantly, where is this legendary "hate speech" everyone keeps shouting about? I sat through about four minutes of this, and frankly, I didn't see anything remotely controversial.

The guy basically says marriage should be destroyed. And the dude he's talking to is just nodding along like, "yeah, sure." This all supposedly happened back in May when that whole movement kicked off. He starts going on about fascists—he isn't even talking about marriage equality at that point, he's talking about total destruction. And the crowd? Just silent agreement.

Some people just don't have a filter. ☕

Sure, you can try to dodge the subject by bringing up weight, acting like we didn't hear him or that it wasn't what actually happened. ☕

redbear12 said:The guy basically says marriage should be destroyed. And the dude he's talking to is just nodding along like, "yeah, sure." This all supposedly happened back in May when that whole movement kicked off. He starts going on about fascists—he isn't even talking about marriage equality at that point, he's talking about total destruction. And the crowd? Just silent agreement.

Some people just don't have a filter. ☕

Sure, you can try to dodge the subject by bringing up weight, acting like we didn't hear him or that it wasn't what actually happened. ☕

Yeah, and?
Where exactly is the hate speech in that?
What, if someone said they wanted to drain Central Park, would you call that hate speech too?

It’s nothing more than mindless bluster. Calling that hate speech is a stretch, for heaven's sake...

bluecyclist64 said:Yeah, and?
Where exactly is the hate speech in that?
What, if someone said they wanted to drain Central Park, would you call that hate speech too?

It’s nothing more than mindless bluster. Calling that hate speech is a stretch, for heaven's sake...

comparing it to Central Park 🙄

But how is it "nonsense" now when everyone was all about marriage before? ☕

To me, that sounds like "we're gonna destroy marriage," and then next thing you know, they're calling anyone who disagrees a fascist. Does nobody actually agree with that?

EDIT: maybe I should actually sit down and watch the whole video. I think he’s arguing that making same-sex marriage a right is just a pre-political move designed specifically to tear down the institution of marriage.

Does this group even realize what they're doing? They were whining about their rights being taken away, and now they're out here pushing an initiative to wreck marriage in the exact same month. Can anyone here actually do basic math? ☕

Of course their hate speech needs to be condemned in the strongest possible terms—that's non-negotiable. It’s just as obvious that their ultimate goal is the destruction of marriage and traditional values. But let's be real: these various LGBT organizations have been quite frankly manipulated—others are using them as a front to push their own agendas, but it won't work. It shouldn't, and it won't.