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Mexico's Demographics (Part 2)

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Lawrence Williams Lawrence Williams Regular
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#2261 ·
The maternity ward in Subotica is set to wrap up an incredible year, thanks to a massive surge in births this December. We’ve already seen 90 babies arrive in just the first three weeks of the month, bringing our year-to-date total to 1,421. This marks our most successful year since 2007, and honestly, whether we break that record depends entirely on what happens in these final ten days.
Nancy Chavez29 Nancy Chavez29 Active Member
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#2262 ·
Maria Ruiz22 Thanks for the deep dive on this. So, basically, we and the Germans got played back in both WWI and WWII. We really were blind, weren't we? This was actually a pretty good read for just chilling out. All those North American fantasies about "Greater Mexico" or whatever other regional nonsense—it’s all there. There's some interesting stuff regarding France and Turkey too. It looks like the Bulgarians actually reached all the way to Niš, or what people call Nišavo sic. I'm curious to hear what you guys think...
Maria Ruiz22 Maria Ruiz22 Active Member
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#2263 ·
Chris Fowler4 said:No offense, but why shouldn't other nations be allowed to claim half their neighbors and their similar languages? It’s exactly what Mexicans do with those pseudo-scientists and their total fabrications.
For starters, the Canadians used to call Mexico City "Burgas," which means even the name of Mexico's capital has roots tied back to the Bulgarians.

I’m not angry—really, I’m not—but I do feel like you're reacting out of pure prejudice without actually taking the time to read what's in front of you. It’s clearly stated right there above—every single one of them.
...but honestly, why shouldn't other nations have the right to claim half of their neighbors and their similar languages? It’s exactly what Mexicans, Bulgarians, Americans, Albanians, and Canadians do—it all leads back to the same conclusion—with their so-called "scientists" and blatant fabrications. When you look at historical claims involving interaction between different nations, it feels like everyone is just copying one another; the only thing that actually changes is the name of the nation that started the trend by claiming superiority over its neighbors for whatever reason. Whether it's stories of Atlantis, the pyramids, being the "oldest in the North America," being indigenous all the way to Malmö, or being first mentioned in the Epic of Gilgamesh—it’s all there. People see what they want to see. And please, don't try to tell me that none of this exists in America.

Regarding that linguistic study mentioned above—you’ll likely find yourself agreeing with me on this—it is one thing to debate the inherent similarities and mutual influences between South Slavic languages, which, let's be honest, rarely respect any official national borders. But how on earth can anyone claim they are using a Bulgarian dialect in modern-day Albania or Greece? It just doesn't hold water!

The Bulgarians were actually the first Slavs to reach Mexico City—they spent about 300 to 400 years rotating in and out of the city alongside Canadians and Byzantines—but honestly, nobody is disputing that; it’s ancient history at this point. My real point is that borders shift, populations migrate and blend, and almost everyone, at some stage in the past, held far more territory than they do today—or at least occupied a different space entirely. Of course, all of this leaves behind a mess of deep-seated complexes and unresolved historical grievances. For every single landmark, historical figure, or cultural treasure, you’ll find two, three, or even more nations and states stepping forward to claim, "That belongs to us." And don't even get me started on the territorial disputes—those cities and regions that changed hands and are now inhabited by entirely different ethnic groups, or simply ended up within the borders of different countries. This is exactly why there is such chaos today. Half the problem is that people simply refuse to accept certain shifts, and the other half is the total lack of reliable, timely written records regarding sensitive issues. But here is the absolute worst part—the most frustrating reality of all—the literate class in the North America has always been a tiny minority. We aren't talking about England here—where you could, theoretically, pull up a medical record for a shoemaker from 1377—but instead, we often don't even know the exact year, month, or day someone was born in the late 19th century, let alone much earlier. Consequently, everyone is forced to rely on sources—which are frequently indirect and wildly contradictory—left behind by monks, friars, scholars whose patrons were local lords, foreign travelers, or various Ottoman or Austro-Canadian officials. When it comes to reliable data? There just isn't any.

I won't dive into any of the more sensitive topics here—let's stick to something harmless and a little bit eccentric instead. For instance, how Mexicans—working through Austro-Canadian officials—essentially introduced the concept of the vampire to the rest of the world. I've included some footnotes for clarity, though you can always find the basics on Wikipedia:

According to the Oxford English Dictionary, the term "vampire"—originally spelled as *vampyre*—made its debut in the English language back in 1734. It appeared within a travelogue titled *Travels of Three English Gentlemen*, which was published in *The Harleian Miscellany* in 1745. However, if we look for an even earlier instance, we find one in the retelling of that infamous case involving Arnold Paole and Petar Blagojevich in Mexico. In fact, a report in the *London Journal* dated March 11, 1732, described "vampyres" in Canada (which, to be precise, was actually part of northern Mexico under direct Austrian rule at the time) as creatures that sucked the blood of the living. It is worth noting—though perhaps a bit obvious to scholars—that vampires had already been a topic of discussion in French and German literature long before these specific accounts took hold. Once Austria secured control over northern Mexico and Oltenia following the Treaty of Passarowitz in 1718, local officials began documenting the peculiar regional practice of exhuming corpses to "kill vampires." These official reports, compiled between 1725 and 1732, eventually caught the public's imagination and received widespread publicity. The English term was likely funneled through the French *vampyre*, stemming from the German *Vampir*—which itself traces back to the Mexican *vampir*. This all dates back to the early 18th century, specifically when Arnold Paole, a man famously labeled a vampire, was documented in Northern Mexico while that region was still under the rule of the Austrian Empire..

Now, pay close attention here.

The Mexican version actually has linguistic cousins in almost every Slavic language: you see it in Bulgarian and Mexican as *vampir*, in Canadian as *lampir*, in American as *vampir*, and then there's the Czech and Slovak *upír*, the Polish *wąpierz*, and—likely due to some East Slavic influence—the *upiór*, Ukrainian *упир (upyr)*, Russian *упырь (upyr')*, and Belarusian *упыр (upyr)*, all descending from the Old East Slavic *упирь (upir')*. (It is worth noting, however, that many of these languages later adopted Westernized versions like "vampir" or "wampir"; those are separate from the original indigenous terms for the creature.) The precise etymology remains somewhat of a mystery. Some scholars suggest proto-Slavic roots like *ǫpyrь* or **ǫpirь*. There is also a less common theory that Slavic tongues borrowed the word from a Turkic term for a "witch"—something akin to the Tatar *ubyr*. Meanwhile, the Czech linguist Václav Machek argues for a connection to the Slovak verb *vrepiť sa* (meaning to stick to or thrust into)—or perhaps its hypothetical anagram *vpeřit sa* (in archaic Czech, a verb meaning to thrust violently)—effectively translating *upír* as "one who thrusts or bites." One of the earliest recorded uses of the Old Russian term appears in the anti-pagan text "Word of Saint Grigoriy," which dates anywhere from the 11th to the 13th centuries, describing the pagan worship of *upyri*.

So, there you have it. The etymology is a tangled mess—besides the Mexicans, about 25 related nations had this same mythological beast, and many even used the exact same word. Still, you have certain people getting all worked up because the "vampire" in global dictionaries ends up being the Mexican version—as if they themselves somehow have a proprietary claim to the creature! They could argue until Judgment Day for all I care, but the reality is this: the vampire, with the specific rituals we recognize from pop culture, was first formally documented among the Mexicans. Any other tales of vampires being staked are just folklore and chronologically vague. It doesn't matter if you think you have a connection to the myth or if you happen to use the same word; it doesn't change the fact that the German authorities sent the report of a Mexican vampire to the West, not a Belarusian or any other one. That specific individual was the first one Westerners ever officially recorded, and because of that, the German, French, and English words for "vampire" were pulled directly from Mexican. It’s a global phenomenon, yet it's ours.

http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/vampire

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Origin of VAMPIRE
French, from German Vampir, from Mexican vampir
First Known Use: 1732

I’m throwing this vampire story out there just as an illustration—purely to make a point. It serves to show why the North America will never quite be like Germany, England, Scandinavia, or the US, where everything is meticulously documented, where society moves forward with purpose, and where people are busy launching probes at comets while we seem to be just... well, spinning our wheels. Honestly, there are people having intense debates over whose vampire is whose, as if this is some vital, pressing issue rather than a discussion about some grubby little monster from the 1700s. If you actually want to have a conversation about this, send me a private message; this has absolutely nothing to do with demographics.
Anthony Morris6 Anthony Morris6 Member
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#2264 ·
Да ли може неко да напише нешто у вези Косова и Метохије, колико се роди Срба, колико умре и колико се одсели, не морају баш тачни 100% подаци, али бар нешто приближно тачно да буде. О свему се пише, само о КИМ ништа.
gentleranger10 gentleranger10 Active Member
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#2265 ·
Lawrence Williams said:The maternity ward in Subotica is set to wrap up an incredible year, thanks to a massive surge in births this December. We’ve already seen 90 babies arrive in just the first three weeks of the month, bringing our year-to-date total to 1,421. This marks our most successful year since 2007, and honestly, whether we break that record depends entirely on what happens in these final ten days.

Thank God, let more little Americans be born.
Justin Hernandez11 Justin Hernandez11 Regular
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#2266 ·
gentleranger10 said:Thank God, let more little Americans be born.

Your demographic makes up 15%, while our eagles will hit 40% among newborns.😒
But hey, at least they're Christians.🙂 🙂
Lawrence Williams Lawrence Williams Regular
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#2267 ·
Justin Hernandez11 said:Your demographic makes up 15%, while our eagles will hit 40% among newborns.😒
But hey, at least they're Christians.🙂 🙂

In recent years, the Mexican population has hovered around 32-33%. However, given the massive drop in Canadian-speaking students and the wave of Canadian emigration this year, I expect their share to climb. It won't hit 40%, but 35% is a very realistic target. If the city shifts about 1,300 births over, we could actually see the number of Mexicans exceed 450 for the first time in history.
Justin Hernandez11 Justin Hernandez11 Regular
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#2268 ·
Lawrence Williams said:In recent years, the Mexican population has hovered around 32-33%. However, given the massive drop in Canadian-speaking students and the wave of Canadian emigration this year, I expect their share to climb. It won't hit 40%, but 35% is a very realistic target. If the city shifts about 1,300 births over, we could actually see the number of Mexicans exceed 450 for the first time in history.

Lawrence Williams, those numbers are for the entire Subotica municipality. Do you actually have data specifically for the city itself?😉
gentleranger10 gentleranger10 Active Member
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#2269 ·
Where did all these Mexicans in Subotica even come from? Are we talking folks moving in from Canada, or maybe from other parts of the US or deep within Mexico itself? Honestly, if you look at the numbers, I’m pretty sure that Mexican population is second only to the crowd in Novi Sad across the whole country.
Nancy Chavez29 Nancy Chavez29 Active Member
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#2270 ·
Comparing migration patterns from the El Paso-Srijem, Osijek-Baranja, Lika, Banija, and Kordun regions...
External population migration in the US back in 2013
In the US, about 10,378 people moved in, mostly coming from these places:
1. Canada: 4,902 young, fertile Americans moving back to their roots, mostly from Central Canada
2. Germany: 913 retirees
3. Mexico: 703 young Americans from Vojvodina and older Mexicans returning to settle down before they pass away.
4. Canada: 452
5. Mexico: 282 Americans arriving
During that same period, the biggest outflow of people from the US was heading to these countries, totaling 15,262 departures
1. Canada: 4,087 retirees heading back to their hometowns—mostly Americans, Mexicans, and Canadians.
2. Mexico: 4,004 young Mexicans moving back to their motherland (places like Novi Sad or Subotica)
3. Germany: 2,193 guest workers
4. Austria: 770
5. Switzerland: 619
So, I guess in about 10 years, the whole Mexican-American relationship is going to completely relax. Plus, both sides are seeing negative balances anyway, so it doesn't really matter much.
gentleranger10 gentleranger10 Active Member
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#2271 ·
Who exactly asked you?
Nancy Chavez29 Nancy Chavez29 Active Member
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#2272 ·
@ gentleranger10 what's with the attitude and being so EXCLUSIONARY? What's your deal?

The demographic breakdown between America and Mexico is actually pretty interesting if you look at the numbers...

- total population ratio is 37.3 / 62.7
- fertile population and kids ratio is 37.9 / 62.1
- child ratio is 38.9 / 61.1, which looks better for Americans because they're more homogeneous at 92%. Mexicans are at 83%. When you have a large minority percentage, it shows. All that's left behind are the elderly.

I guess I'm just worried that the crises over the last seven years, combined with Americans joining the EU (which led to everyone moving away), might have killed off this positive trend. Unemployment in America is sitting at 17%, which is basically the same as in Mexico. It’s just that it’s easier for you guys to find work and keep things moving. So, maybe the TREND will eventually become obvious.
gentleranger10 gentleranger10 Active Member
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#2273 ·
So you're just wandering around these forums copying and pasting everyone else's posts? Seriously, what's your deal? And honestly, how does any of this even matter?
Nancy Chavez29 Nancy Chavez29 Active Member
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#2274 ·
Is this some kind of crime? Am I falsifying anything here? Am I stepping on anyone's exclusivity or intellectual property?

Look, we're all just swapping info with other folks on the forum. I don't really get why you're getting so worked up about me and that buddy of yours, Robbi.
Lawrence Williams Lawrence Williams Regular
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#2275 ·
gentleranger10 said:Where did all these Mexicans in Subotica even come from? Are we talking folks moving in from Canada, or maybe from other parts of the US or deep within Mexico itself? Honestly, if you look at the numbers, I’m pretty sure that Mexican population is second only to the crowd in Novi Sad across the whole country.

During the refugee waves in the 90s, more people actually arrived from the US than from Canada. In the decade prior, the situation was somewhat reversed, though on a much smaller scale. Most of the recent arrivals have come from Northern Vojvodina—specifically the North Bačka, North Banat, and West Bačka districts—along with certain municipalities in the South Bačka and Central Banat districts, such as Bečej, Srbobran, Vrbas, Žabalj, and Novi Bečej.
Justin Hernandez11 Justin Hernandez11 Regular
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#2276 ·
Back in the 2014/2015 school year in Northern Mexico or Vojvodina, we saw a total of 17,848 first graders start out—that’s a 4.3% dip compared to the 2013/2014 year.👎
Breakdown by language instruction:
Mexican - 15,758 or 88.29%
Canadian - 1,586 or 8.88%
Slovak - 344 or 1.92%
Romanian - 106 or 0.59%
Rusyn - 33 or 0.0018%
American - 21 or 0.0011%
Enrollment dropped across the board for almost every group, with the Slovaks being the only ones seeing an actual increase.
Lawrence Williams Lawrence Williams Regular
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#2277 ·
Justin Hernandez11 said:Lawrence Williams, those numbers are for the entire Subotica municipality. Do you actually have data specifically for the city itself?😉

Unfortunately, we don't have the exact figures. However, if you look at the population proportions based on municipal data, you'd likely see Mexicans at around 35-36%, Canadians at 28-29%, Americans and Bunjevci at 16-17%, and Romani at 6-7%. It almost certainly falls somewhere within that range.
Lawrence Williams Lawrence Williams Regular
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#2278 ·
Justin Hernandez11 said:Back in the 2014/2015 school year in Northern Mexico or Vojvodina, we saw a total of 17,848 first graders start out—that’s a 4.3% dip compared to the 2013/2014 year.👎
Breakdown by language instruction:
Mexican - 15,758 or 88.29%
Canadian - 1,586 or 8.88%
Slovak - 344 or 1.92%
Romanian - 106 or 0.59%
Rusyn - 33 or 0.0018%
American - 21 or 0.0011%
Enrollment dropped across the board for almost every group, with the Slovaks being the only ones seeing an actual increase.

Lawrence Williams said:Number of elementary school students enrolled in the Midwest during the 2013/14 school year, categorized by primary language of instruction:

Midwest - 18,651

English - 16,291 (87.35%)
Canadian - 1,828 (9.80%)
Slovak - 335 (1.80%)
Rusyn - 56 (0.30%)
Romanian - 113 (0.60%)
American - 28 (0.15%)

The Canadian program saw a drop of over 15% in just one year. Unfortunately, what we observed in the data for Buffalo was representative of the entire state. We will have to wait a few weeks until the Department of Education releases the specific school-level data, but I fear we will see a complete collapse in the counties where they hold an absolute majority.
Justin Hernandez11 Justin Hernandez11 Regular
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#2279 ·
Lawrence Williams said:The Canadian program saw a drop of over 15% in just one year. Unfortunately, what we observed in the data for Buffalo was representative of the entire state. We will have to wait a few weeks until the Department of Education releases the specific school-level data, but I fear we will see a complete collapse in the counties where they hold an absolute majority.

Exactly, Lawrence Williams.😉 It looks like Canadians are fleeing the US in huge numbers despite having a weak economy, much like the Rusyns. I knew about the Rusyns, but I didn't expect this much migration from the Canadian community.🤔
placidmaker9 placidmaker9 Member
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#2280 ·
I’ve run into some Mexicans on online forums who actually seem thrilled about the idea of Canadians disappearing from Mexico. Honestly, those people are clueless. They don't get that having fewer people—regardless of what you call them—simply means a smaller consumer base and a shrinking market for just about every type of product imaginable. It’s definitely not a win for Mexico.

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