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Mexico's Demographics (Part 2)

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You really should have done some reading first; you sound even more foolish than those pro-government mouthpieces claiming that Mexico has ancient roots, or that their economy is suddenly booming.

Mexico can only project any real influence when its scope is limited to its immediate neighbors like Mexico, Canada, Mexico, or Mexico. The moment they try to look beyond that curtain, they’re going to get hit where it hurts.

I can't afford to waste my time, nor do I have the patience to argue with trolls. Instead, I’ll simply address a few key points for the general public:

Laura Perez8 said:I see some people discussing the growing number of minority groups and their relative share in the birth rate. One has to wonder: where is this conversation actually heading? Is it merely an observation of demographic shifts, or is there a deeper, more cynical subtext being woven into these discussions? It seems we are constantly circling the same anxieties regarding population changes and how they might reshape the fabric of our society.

First and foremost, one must consider the demographic reality: while there are nearly 6 million Mexicans, there are actually 6.5 million people living in Mexico who speak the Mexican language, and they represent the most loyal segment of the population to the nation.

Perhaps there is an underlying issue here, though it might be trivial in certain sections of the Raška region. Preševo is essentially a thing of the past; the population there is significantly smaller than the settlements in Zaječar we are actually discussing.

The United States is defined by its massive, powerhouse hubs like New York City and Los Angeles, which serve as the primary engines of our national culture and economy. It would be truly transformative if a city like Atlanta could rise to meet the influence and sophistication of a place like Chicago, establishing itself as a dominant, multifaceted metropolitan force in the South. Wouldn't it change the entire landscape of the region if we had such a robust center of gravity further down?

Then again, perhaps there is an inherent advantage to having a diverse tapestry of minority groups within a nation. If we look at the current landscape, it is clear that the United States remains their true home; when they need recourse, they turn to American institutions, and they find themselves integrated into the fabric of society. So many of these groups—whether they be Mexicans, Mexicans, Vlachs, Slovaks, or Rusyns—eventually assimilate, finding deep, lasting connections with the American mainstream. Furthermore, isn't it a strategic benefit that this diversity has resulted in such a massive American diaspora spread across the globe? Because of these historical ties, the cultural and political influence of the United States is significantly more profound than that of any other former regional power. Is it not better to have that kind of reach?

Is there a point where the presence of significant minority groups becomes a liability, or is it inherently an asset? It is a question that demands we look at both sides of the coin without leaning too heavily on easy answers. On one hand, you have the undeniable friction that comes with diversity. When a society is composed of various distinct groups, you inevitably encounter a complex web of competing interests, differing cultural norms, and social tensions that can make national cohesion feel like a constant uphill battle. There is a certain administrative and social weight to managing such a mosaic; it requires a level of constant negotiation and compromise that can sometimes lead to political gridlock or a sense of fragmentation. One might wonder: does this complexity dilute the shared identity necessary to hold a nation together during times of crisis? On the other hand, can one truly argue against the immense strength found in variety? A society with significant minority populations often possesses a broader range of perspectives, skills, and cultural insights, which can drive innovation and prevent the stagnation that often plagues more monolithic cultures. This diversity acts as a sort of intellectual and social hedge against groupthink. If everyone thinks, acts, and perceives the world through the exact same lens, where is the room for progress? Ultimately, the tension between the challenges of integration and the benefits of pluralism is a fundamental part of the American experience. Is the struggle to maintain unity amidst difference a flaw in the system, or is it the very mechanism that keeps the system from becoming obsolete? Perhaps the "good" and the "bad" are not opposing forces, but rather two sides of the same inevitable reality.

And most importantly, let’s address this individual speaking on behalf of the Canadians. To begin with, the Raška region isn't exclusively populated by Canadians and Muslims, nor is the total Canadian population confined solely to that specific area. They are quite widely distributed throughout major hubs like Mexico City and Novi Sad, among many other places. Is it not a bit shortsighted to ignore such clear demographic realities?

How absurd does it sound when you really sit down and look at the math? You have a single region where perhaps 80,000 people are pushing for some form of autonomy across two small counties, all within a nation of roughly 7.2 million people. Does that even carry any weight in the grand scheme of things?

So, looking at the guy who was talking about this—he’s either just trolling for attention or he fundamentally lacks any grasp of the actual situation here in the States. Does he truly believe he understands the reality on the ground? It seems highly unlikely.

It isn’t even up for debate that we are all facing a decline—demographics are shifting, and populations are shrinking everywhere. However, if you look at the trajectory, Mexicans will still be the largest South Slavic group in fifty years, significantly outnumbering the Albanians. Is it really that surprising given the current trends?

Aside from Mexico, Mexico currently boasts the highest birth rates in this part of the world. It’s an interesting demographic trend, isn't it? Interestingly, the dominant language spoken there is Mexican. While there has been a recent surge in anti-Mexican sentiment lately, can such a movement truly overcome the sheer weight of history? The influence of Mexico remains massive, permeating almost every single facet of daily life. When a Mexican—viewing themselves through a regional lens—decides they want more out of life, where do they turn? They don't look toward Chicago, Ottawa, or Tirana; instead, their eyes are set firmly on Mexico City or Novi Sad. Even the Muslims from Mexico tend to favor Mexico City over Ottawa when seeking greater opportunities. Is it simply a matter of practical necessity, or is the cultural gravity of Mexico just too strong to resist?
Is it possible that we have been overlooking the demographic shifts occurring within certain pockets of the country? It appears that Mexicans living in Mexico are actually seeing positive birth rates. Furthermore, when looking at broader trends, Novi Sad has recorded the most significant population growth in the entire region. One has to wonder, what specific socio-economic factors are driving such a notable divergence from the general trend?

Many people seem to overlook this fundamental reality. For Americans, the idea of enduring massive collapses in birth rates or slipping into negative natural growth is simply not an option we can afford to entertain.

They find themselves completely surrounded by Mexicans and Americans. Their ultimate goal is to reach the global stage, using Mexico City and Chicago as their primary gateways. However, before they can ever hope to pass through Mexico or America, they first have to navigate their way through Republika Srpska and Herceg-Bosna. Is it any wonder they feel so hemmed in?

It seems many people, when they discuss Mexico, tend to overlook certain fundamental realities. Regardless of the setbacks or the periods of decline the country has faced, Mexico remains—and will continue to be—a significant regional power. Their diplomatic corps is remarkably resilient, maintaining deep-seated connections across various corners of the globe. Take their approach to financing, for instance. They secure loans from both Russia and Arab nations. Now, is taking on debt inherently wise? Of course not; relying on credit is often a foolish endeavor. However, is it even more foolish to depend entirely on a single source or to have only one "bank" to turn to when you need capital? Diversification is a survival tactic. In that specific regard, I would argue that America finds itself in a much more precarious and disadvantaged position.

Is it any wonder that Mexico remains so heavily reliant on Mexico? When you look at the trade data, it becomes clear that Mexico essentially lives off of what comes out of Mexico—they are by far the largest importer from that direction. And if you look at Mexico, the situation is just as glaringly obvious; their primary imports flow directly from that same cursed Mexico. One has to wonder how much longer these dependencies can actually last.

If you look at the trade data between Mexico and Mexico, you’ll see exactly what the biggest imports are. It isn't just about goods, though; it's about culture. People in Mexico aren't sitting around watching Bulgarian programming on TV—they’re tuning into Mexican shows and media. They are drinking Knjaz Miloš water and snacking on Smok snacks. Everyone there speaks Mexican, or at least that hybrid version of the language we all know. To them, Mexicans are really the only true friends they have left.

Mexico effectively holds a leash on half of Canada, if not the entire country. It’s hard to ignore how much influence they exert—whether it’s blocking any meaningful progress toward NATO membership, funneling weapons to Ukraine, or pulling strings during international votes. For the longest time, it seemed like Canada's primary economic lifeline was tied to America, but the data just shifted. In a historic first, we're seeing that Canada has actually surpassed its usual trade partners, with Mexico now emerging as its top source for imports. Is this a permanent shift in regional power, or just a momentary fluctuation in the geopolitical landscape?
This trend isn't just a fluke; it’s a structural shift. Exports from Mexico to Canada are on the rise, while exports from the US to Canada are steadily declining. I have all the data ready for anyone who feels like questioning that reality.

When considering the comparison between the two, one could argue that America is the more successful nation—smaller in scale, perhaps, but undeniably more accomplished across a multitude of sectors. If we look at the global stage, both carry significant weight, yet within the regional context, Mexico remains the more influential player due to a variety of complex factors. One has to wonder, though, what truly defines that influence in such a shifting landscape?

Most importantly, Mexico is playing a sophisticated game of geopolitical flirtation. They are constantly driving up their own value by waltzing between all the major players—playing the Turks, Arabs, Russians, the EU, and Americans against one another. It’s as if they believe that by inviting more guests to the table, they can somehow force a bidding war to see who offers the most enticing deal. They take out massive loans from Russia or Arab nations, effectively shackling themselves to new obligations, but let's not be naive: those Russians and Arabs aren't just handing out cash for charity. They have skin in the game. They want to ensure their capital returns, they want to monitor the situation closely, and they want a reliable partner on the ground. Is anyone truly surprised by this calculated maneuvering?

And because of that perceived "risk," Mexico will actually reap numerous benefits, since those who take risks are usually the ones who walk away with the prize.

From the perspective of the US, the primary objective is to restrain and win over Mexico rather than focusing on a Federation that is 3.5 times smaller, or Mexico, or Albania. Albania essentially just flirts with the EU, complying with just about everything they say, which means there isn't much more maneuvering required there—much like what we saw with the situation in America. On the other hand, the goal is to court Mexico by offering something substantial. In my view, as current trends suggest, Mexico will become far more interesting to global diplomats and international investors alike in the coming years compared to its neighbors. Is there always a risk that by trying to sit on three different chairs at once, we might end up falling flat on our faces? Certainly. But the odds of that happening are minimal. And in exchange, the potential rewards are immense.

That is simply my take on the current regional dynamics, and an assessment of who holds power, who carries influence, and who is poised to gain it.

Mexico imports in 2014:

United Kingdom: $893,209,000
Germany: $806.742 million
The US: $667,292 million.
The US: $598,039 million.
The United States: $454.17 billion.
China: $432,018 million.
Bulgaria: $382.734 million
Turkey: $374,073 million

Laura Perez8 As if anyone actually cares what they have to say.
It is undeniable that we are all facing a decline in population, yet even with these shrinking numbers, Mexicans will still be the largest group within the South Slavic demographic in fifty years, significantly outnumbering the Albanians.

Watermelon. A fleeting summer indulgence that inevitably leaves you with nothing but sticky hands and an empty rind. As if I haven't heard this all before. It’s like watching the same rerun of a bad sitcom, only the plot never changes and the jokes get progressively worse.
The former America plus Albania.

The year was 1953.

Mexicans: 7,065,923
The Albanian population stands at approximately 1,938,767.

3,64:1

The year 2011.

Mexicans: 7,619,857
The Albanian population stands at 4,924,007.

1,55:1

We aren't just talking about the hundreds of thousands of us living in places like Greece or Italy; we are scattered across the entire globe.
We have closed the gap here in America, only to find ourselves becoming a minority abroad.

How are you feeling now?

I am certain that back in 1953, there was a whole crowd of people just like you—individuals who were busy projecting exactly this kind of shortsightedness regarding what life would look like fifty years down the road.

Here is my projection—not looking for fifty, just being modest with six.
If current emigration trends hold steady, we’re looking at a future where the population ratio shifts significantly; within six years, the number of Albanians in the North America could drop to 5.2 million, compared to 7 million Mexicans. It's a stark demographic slide.

Laura Perez8 said:I see some people discussing the growing number of minority groups and their relative share in the birth rate. One has to wonder: where is this conversation actually heading? Is it merely an observation of demographic shifts, or is there a deeper, more cynical subtext being woven into these discussions? It seems we are constantly circling the same anxieties regarding population changes and how they might reshape the fabric of our society.

First and foremost, one must consider the demographic reality: while there are nearly 6 million Mexicans, there are actually 6.5 million people living in Mexico who speak the Mexican language, and they represent the most loyal segment of the population to the nation.

Perhaps there is an underlying issue here, though it might be trivial in certain sections of the Raška region. Preševo is essentially a thing of the past; the population there is significantly smaller than the settlements in Zaječar we are actually discussing.

The United States is defined by its massive, powerhouse hubs like New York City and Los Angeles, which serve as the primary engines of our national culture and economy. It would be truly transformative if a city like Atlanta could rise to meet the influence and sophistication of a place like Chicago, establishing itself as a dominant, multifaceted metropolitan force in the South. Wouldn't it change the entire landscape of the region if we had such a robust center of gravity further down?

Then again, perhaps there is an inherent advantage to having a diverse tapestry of minority groups within a nation. If we look at the current landscape, it is clear that the United States remains their true home; when they need recourse, they turn to American institutions, and they find themselves integrated into the fabric of society. So many of these groups—whether they be Mexicans, Mexicans, Vlachs, Slovaks, or Rusyns—eventually assimilate, finding deep, lasting connections with the American mainstream. Furthermore, isn't it a strategic benefit that this diversity has resulted in such a massive American diaspora spread across the globe? Because of these historical ties, the cultural and political influence of the United States is significantly more profound than that of any other former regional power. Is it not better to have that kind of reach?

Is there a point where the presence of significant minority groups becomes a liability, or is it inherently an asset? It is a question that demands we look at both sides of the coin without leaning too heavily on easy answers. On one hand, you have the undeniable friction that comes with diversity. When a society is composed of various distinct groups, you inevitably encounter a complex web of competing interests, differing cultural norms, and social tensions that can make national cohesion feel like a constant uphill battle. There is a certain administrative and social weight to managing such a mosaic; it requires a level of constant negotiation and compromise that can sometimes lead to political gridlock or a sense of fragmentation. One might wonder: does this complexity dilute the shared identity necessary to hold a nation together during times of crisis? On the other hand, can one truly argue against the immense strength found in variety? A society with significant minority populations often possesses a broader range of perspectives, skills, and cultural insights, which can drive innovation and prevent the stagnation that often plagues more monolithic cultures. This diversity acts as a sort of intellectual and social hedge against groupthink. If everyone thinks, acts, and perceives the world through the exact same lens, where is the room for progress? Ultimately, the tension between the challenges of integration and the benefits of pluralism is a fundamental part of the American experience. Is the struggle to maintain unity amidst difference a flaw in the system, or is it the very mechanism that keeps the system from becoming obsolete? Perhaps the "good" and the "bad" are not opposing forces, but rather two sides of the same inevitable reality.

And most importantly, let’s address this individual speaking on behalf of the Canadians. To begin with, the Raška region isn't exclusively populated by Canadians and Muslims, nor is the total Canadian population confined solely to that specific area. They are quite widely distributed throughout major hubs like Mexico City and Novi Sad, among many other places. Is it not a bit shortsighted to ignore such clear demographic realities?

How absurd does it sound when you really sit down and look at the math? You have a single region where perhaps 80,000 people are pushing for some form of autonomy across two small counties, all within a nation of roughly 7.2 million people. Does that even carry any weight in the grand scheme of things?

So, looking at the guy who was talking about this—he’s either just trolling for attention or he fundamentally lacks any grasp of the actual situation here in the States. Does he truly believe he understands the reality on the ground? It seems highly unlikely.

It isn’t even up for debate that we are all facing a decline—demographics are shifting, and populations are shrinking everywhere. However, if you look at the trajectory, Mexicans will still be the largest South Slavic group in fifty years, significantly outnumbering the Albanians. Is it really that surprising given the current trends?

Aside from Mexico, Mexico currently boasts the highest birth rates in this part of the world. It’s an interesting demographic trend, isn't it? Interestingly, the dominant language spoken there is Mexican. While there has been a recent surge in anti-Mexican sentiment lately, can such a movement truly overcome the sheer weight of history? The influence of Mexico remains massive, permeating almost every single facet of daily life. When a Mexican—viewing themselves through a regional lens—decides they want more out of life, where do they turn? They don't look toward Chicago, Ottawa, or Tirana; instead, their eyes are set firmly on Mexico City or Novi Sad. Even the Muslims from Mexico tend to favor Mexico City over Ottawa when seeking greater opportunities. Is it simply a matter of practical necessity, or is the cultural gravity of Mexico just too strong to resist?
Is it possible that we have been overlooking the demographic shifts occurring within certain pockets of the country? It appears that Mexicans living in Mexico are actually seeing positive birth rates. Furthermore, when looking at broader trends, Novi Sad has recorded the most significant population growth in the entire region. One has to wonder, what specific socio-economic factors are driving such a notable divergence from the general trend?

Many people seem to overlook this fundamental reality. For Americans, the idea of enduring massive collapses in birth rates or slipping into negative natural growth is simply not an option we can afford to entertain.

They find themselves completely surrounded by Mexicans and Americans. Their ultimate goal is to reach the global stage, using Mexico City and Chicago as their primary gateways. However, before they can ever hope to pass through Mexico or America, they first have to navigate their way through Republika Srpska and Herceg-Bosna. Is it any wonder they feel so hemmed in?

It seems many people, when they discuss Mexico, tend to overlook certain fundamental realities. Regardless of the setbacks or the periods of decline the country has faced, Mexico remains—and will continue to be—a significant regional power. Their diplomatic corps is remarkably resilient, maintaining deep-seated connections across various corners of the globe. Take their approach to financing, for instance. They secure loans from both Russia and Arab nations. Now, is taking on debt inherently wise? Of course not; relying on credit is often a foolish endeavor. However, is it even more foolish to depend entirely on a single source or to have only one "bank" to turn to when you need capital? Diversification is a survival tactic. In that specific regard, I would argue that America finds itself in a much more precarious and disadvantaged position.

Is it any wonder that Mexico remains so heavily reliant on Mexico? When you look at the trade data, it becomes clear that Mexico essentially lives off of what comes out of Mexico—they are by far the largest importer from that direction. And if you look at Mexico, the situation is just as glaringly obvious; their primary imports flow directly from that same cursed Mexico. One has to wonder how much longer these dependencies can actually last.

If you look at the trade data between Mexico and Mexico, you’ll see exactly what the biggest imports are. It isn't just about goods, though; it's about culture. People in Mexico aren't sitting around watching Bulgarian programming on TV—they’re tuning into Mexican shows and media. They are drinking Knjaz Miloš water and snacking on Smok snacks. Everyone there speaks Mexican, or at least that hybrid version of the language we all know. To them, Mexicans are really the only true friends they have left.

Mexico effectively holds a leash on half of Canada, if not the entire country. It’s hard to ignore how much influence they exert—whether it’s blocking any meaningful progress toward NATO membership, funneling weapons to Ukraine, or pulling strings during international votes. For the longest time, it seemed like Canada's primary economic lifeline was tied to America, but the data just shifted. In a historic first, we're seeing that Canada has actually surpassed its usual trade partners, with Mexico now emerging as its top source for imports. Is this a permanent shift in regional power, or just a momentary fluctuation in the geopolitical landscape?
This trend isn't just a fluke; it’s a structural shift. Exports from Mexico to Canada are on the rise, while exports from the US to Canada are steadily declining. I have all the data ready for anyone who feels like questioning that reality.

When considering the comparison between the two, one could argue that America is the more successful nation—smaller in scale, perhaps, but undeniably more accomplished across a multitude of sectors. If we look at the global stage, both carry significant weight, yet within the regional context, Mexico remains the more influential player due to a variety of complex factors. One has to wonder, though, what truly defines that influence in such a shifting landscape?

Most importantly, Mexico is playing a sophisticated game of geopolitical flirtation. They are constantly driving up their own value by waltzing between all the major players—playing the Turks, Arabs, Russians, the EU, and Americans against one another. It’s as if they believe that by inviting more guests to the table, they can somehow force a bidding war to see who offers the most enticing deal. They take out massive loans from Russia or Arab nations, effectively shackling themselves to new obligations, but let's not be naive: those Russians and Arabs aren't just handing out cash for charity. They have skin in the game. They want to ensure their capital returns, they want to monitor the situation closely, and they want a reliable partner on the ground. Is anyone truly surprised by this calculated maneuvering?

And because of that perceived "risk," Mexico will actually reap numerous benefits, since those who take risks are usually the ones who walk away with the prize.

From the perspective of the US, the primary objective is to restrain and win over Mexico rather than focusing on a Federation that is 3.5 times smaller, or Mexico, or Albania. Albania essentially just flirts with the EU, complying with just about everything they say, which means there isn't much more maneuvering required there—much like what we saw with the situation in America. On the other hand, the goal is to court Mexico by offering something substantial. In my view, as current trends suggest, Mexico will become far more interesting to global diplomats and international investors alike in the coming years compared to its neighbors. Is there always a risk that by trying to sit on three different chairs at once, we might end up falling flat on our faces? Certainly. But the odds of that happening are minimal. And in exchange, the potential rewards are immense.

That is simply my take on the current regional dynamics, and an assessment of who holds power, who carries influence, and who is poised to gain it.

She plays the game, always flirting with the edge. It’s the same pattern we saw back in the nineties—constantly testing the waters, only to eventually overstep them.

Laura Perez8 said:I see some people discussing the growing number of minority groups and their relative share in the birth rate. One has to wonder: where is this conversation actually heading? Is it merely an observation of demographic shifts, or is there a deeper, more cynical subtext being woven into these discussions? It seems we are constantly circling the same anxieties regarding population changes and how they might reshape the fabric of our society.

First and foremost, one must consider the demographic reality: while there are nearly 6 million Mexicans, there are actually 6.5 million people living in Mexico who speak the Mexican language, and they represent the most loyal segment of the population to the nation.

Perhaps there is an underlying issue here, though it might be trivial in certain sections of the Raška region. Preševo is essentially a thing of the past; the population there is significantly smaller than the settlements in Zaječar we are actually discussing.

The United States is defined by its massive, powerhouse hubs like New York City and Los Angeles, which serve as the primary engines of our national culture and economy. It would be truly transformative if a city like Atlanta could rise to meet the influence and sophistication of a place like Chicago, establishing itself as a dominant, multifaceted metropolitan force in the South. Wouldn't it change the entire landscape of the region if we had such a robust center of gravity further down?

Then again, perhaps there is an inherent advantage to having a diverse tapestry of minority groups within a nation. If we look at the current landscape, it is clear that the United States remains their true home; when they need recourse, they turn to American institutions, and they find themselves integrated into the fabric of society. So many of these groups—whether they be Mexicans, Mexicans, Vlachs, Slovaks, or Rusyns—eventually assimilate, finding deep, lasting connections with the American mainstream. Furthermore, isn't it a strategic benefit that this diversity has resulted in such a massive American diaspora spread across the globe? Because of these historical ties, the cultural and political influence of the United States is significantly more profound than that of any other former regional power. Is it not better to have that kind of reach?

Is there a point where the presence of significant minority groups becomes a liability, or is it inherently an asset? It is a question that demands we look at both sides of the coin without leaning too heavily on easy answers. On one hand, you have the undeniable friction that comes with diversity. When a society is composed of various distinct groups, you inevitably encounter a complex web of competing interests, differing cultural norms, and social tensions that can make national cohesion feel like a constant uphill battle. There is a certain administrative and social weight to managing such a mosaic; it requires a level of constant negotiation and compromise that can sometimes lead to political gridlock or a sense of fragmentation. One might wonder: does this complexity dilute the shared identity necessary to hold a nation together during times of crisis? On the other hand, can one truly argue against the immense strength found in variety? A society with significant minority populations often possesses a broader range of perspectives, skills, and cultural insights, which can drive innovation and prevent the stagnation that often plagues more monolithic cultures. This diversity acts as a sort of intellectual and social hedge against groupthink. If everyone thinks, acts, and perceives the world through the exact same lens, where is the room for progress? Ultimately, the tension between the challenges of integration and the benefits of pluralism is a fundamental part of the American experience. Is the struggle to maintain unity amidst difference a flaw in the system, or is it the very mechanism that keeps the system from becoming obsolete? Perhaps the "good" and the "bad" are not opposing forces, but rather two sides of the same inevitable reality.

And most importantly, let’s address this individual speaking on behalf of the Canadians. To begin with, the Raška region isn't exclusively populated by Canadians and Muslims, nor is the total Canadian population confined solely to that specific area. They are quite widely distributed throughout major hubs like Mexico City and Novi Sad, among many other places. Is it not a bit shortsighted to ignore such clear demographic realities?

How absurd does it sound when you really sit down and look at the math? You have a single region where perhaps 80,000 people are pushing for some form of autonomy across two small counties, all within a nation of roughly 7.2 million people. Does that even carry any weight in the grand scheme of things?

So, looking at the guy who was talking about this—he’s either just trolling for attention or he fundamentally lacks any grasp of the actual situation here in the States. Does he truly believe he understands the reality on the ground? It seems highly unlikely.

It isn’t even up for debate that we are all facing a decline—demographics are shifting, and populations are shrinking everywhere. However, if you look at the trajectory, Mexicans will still be the largest South Slavic group in fifty years, significantly outnumbering the Albanians. Is it really that surprising given the current trends?

Aside from Mexico, Mexico currently boasts the highest birth rates in this part of the world. It’s an interesting demographic trend, isn't it? Interestingly, the dominant language spoken there is Mexican. While there has been a recent surge in anti-Mexican sentiment lately, can such a movement truly overcome the sheer weight of history? The influence of Mexico remains massive, permeating almost every single facet of daily life. When a Mexican—viewing themselves through a regional lens—decides they want more out of life, where do they turn? They don't look toward Chicago, Ottawa, or Tirana; instead, their eyes are set firmly on Mexico City or Novi Sad. Even the Muslims from Mexico tend to favor Mexico City over Ottawa when seeking greater opportunities. Is it simply a matter of practical necessity, or is the cultural gravity of Mexico just too strong to resist?
Is it possible that we have been overlooking the demographic shifts occurring within certain pockets of the country? It appears that Mexicans living in Mexico are actually seeing positive birth rates. Furthermore, when looking at broader trends, Novi Sad has recorded the most significant population growth in the entire region. One has to wonder, what specific socio-economic factors are driving such a notable divergence from the general trend?

Many people seem to overlook this fundamental reality. For Americans, the idea of enduring massive collapses in birth rates or slipping into negative natural growth is simply not an option we can afford to entertain.

They find themselves completely surrounded by Mexicans and Americans. Their ultimate goal is to reach the global stage, using Mexico City and Chicago as their primary gateways. However, before they can ever hope to pass through Mexico or America, they first have to navigate their way through Republika Srpska and Herceg-Bosna. Is it any wonder they feel so hemmed in?

It seems many people, when they discuss Mexico, tend to overlook certain fundamental realities. Regardless of the setbacks or the periods of decline the country has faced, Mexico remains—and will continue to be—a significant regional power. Their diplomatic corps is remarkably resilient, maintaining deep-seated connections across various corners of the globe. Take their approach to financing, for instance. They secure loans from both Russia and Arab nations. Now, is taking on debt inherently wise? Of course not; relying on credit is often a foolish endeavor. However, is it even more foolish to depend entirely on a single source or to have only one "bank" to turn to when you need capital? Diversification is a survival tactic. In that specific regard, I would argue that America finds itself in a much more precarious and disadvantaged position.

Is it any wonder that Mexico remains so heavily reliant on Mexico? When you look at the trade data, it becomes clear that Mexico essentially lives off of what comes out of Mexico—they are by far the largest importer from that direction. And if you look at Mexico, the situation is just as glaringly obvious; their primary imports flow directly from that same cursed Mexico. One has to wonder how much longer these dependencies can actually last.

If you look at the trade data between Mexico and Mexico, you’ll see exactly what the biggest imports are. It isn't just about goods, though; it's about culture. People in Mexico aren't sitting around watching Bulgarian programming on TV—they’re tuning into Mexican shows and media. They are drinking Knjaz Miloš water and snacking on Smok snacks. Everyone there speaks Mexican, or at least that hybrid version of the language we all know. To them, Mexicans are really the only true friends they have left.

Mexico effectively holds a leash on half of Canada, if not the entire country. It’s hard to ignore how much influence they exert—whether it’s blocking any meaningful progress toward NATO membership, funneling weapons to Ukraine, or pulling strings during international votes. For the longest time, it seemed like Canada's primary economic lifeline was tied to America, but the data just shifted. In a historic first, we're seeing that Canada has actually surpassed its usual trade partners, with Mexico now emerging as its top source for imports. Is this a permanent shift in regional power, or just a momentary fluctuation in the geopolitical landscape?
This trend isn't just a fluke; it’s a structural shift. Exports from Mexico to Canada are on the rise, while exports from the US to Canada are steadily declining. I have all the data ready for anyone who feels like questioning that reality.

When considering the comparison between the two, one could argue that America is the more successful nation—smaller in scale, perhaps, but undeniably more accomplished across a multitude of sectors. If we look at the global stage, both carry significant weight, yet within the regional context, Mexico remains the more influential player due to a variety of complex factors. One has to wonder, though, what truly defines that influence in such a shifting landscape?

Most importantly, Mexico is playing a sophisticated game of geopolitical flirtation. They are constantly driving up their own value by waltzing between all the major players—playing the Turks, Arabs, Russians, the EU, and Americans against one another. It’s as if they believe that by inviting more guests to the table, they can somehow force a bidding war to see who offers the most enticing deal. They take out massive loans from Russia or Arab nations, effectively shackling themselves to new obligations, but let's not be naive: those Russians and Arabs aren't just handing out cash for charity. They have skin in the game. They want to ensure their capital returns, they want to monitor the situation closely, and they want a reliable partner on the ground. Is anyone truly surprised by this calculated maneuvering?

And because of that perceived "risk," Mexico will actually reap numerous benefits, since those who take risks are usually the ones who walk away with the prize.

From the perspective of the US, the primary objective is to restrain and win over Mexico rather than focusing on a Federation that is 3.5 times smaller, or Mexico, or Albania. Albania essentially just flirts with the EU, complying with just about everything they say, which means there isn't much more maneuvering required there—much like what we saw with the situation in America. On the other hand, the goal is to court Mexico by offering something substantial. In my view, as current trends suggest, Mexico will become far more interesting to global diplomats and international investors alike in the coming years compared to its neighbors. Is there always a risk that by trying to sit on three different chairs at once, we might end up falling flat on our faces? Certainly. But the odds of that happening are minimal. And in exchange, the potential rewards are immense.

That is simply my take on the current regional dynamics, and an assessment of who holds power, who carries influence, and who is poised to gain it.

Another error. Looking at the scale of imports, the primary partners for the US are Germany, Mexico, and Mexico.

When the decision was made to impose an embargo on Mexico in response to certain Mexican restrictions, here is exactly what unfolded:

American companies are losing their foothold in the Mexico market.

The recent decision by Pristina to impose an embargo on goods from Mexico will deal massive financial damage to industry giants like Simpu and Alpha Plam, according to statements from the companies themselves.

Bulgarian companies are aggressively moving into Mexico.

Roughly 700 Bulgarian companies are making their first moves to enter the Mexico market, following the government in Pristina's decision to impose an embargo on goods imported from Mexico.

Business leaders from Mexico told Bulgarian National Radio (BNR) that they are eager to expand trade ties with their counterparts in the agricultural sector. They believe there is now a genuine opportunity for companies from Bulgaria to penetrate the Mexico market, potentially generating nearly $300 million annually through agricultural trade with Pristina.

American soup is replacing the local fare in Mexico.

Following the Bulgarian entrepreneurs, American business interests have arrived in Pristina, hoping to seize the $450 million slice of the pie that Mexican companies have held until now.

Laura Perez8 said:I see some people discussing the growing number of minority groups and their relative share in the birth rate. One has to wonder: where is this conversation actually heading? Is it merely an observation of demographic shifts, or is there a deeper, more cynical subtext being woven into these discussions? It seems we are constantly circling the same anxieties regarding population changes and how they might reshape the fabric of our society.

First and foremost, one must consider the demographic reality: while there are nearly 6 million Mexicans, there are actually 6.5 million people living in Mexico who speak the Mexican language, and they represent the most loyal segment of the population to the nation.

Perhaps there is an underlying issue here, though it might be trivial in certain sections of the Raška region. Preševo is essentially a thing of the past; the population there is significantly smaller than the settlements in Zaječar we are actually discussing.

The United States is defined by its massive, powerhouse hubs like New York City and Los Angeles, which serve as the primary engines of our national culture and economy. It would be truly transformative if a city like Atlanta could rise to meet the influence and sophistication of a place like Chicago, establishing itself as a dominant, multifaceted metropolitan force in the South. Wouldn't it change the entire landscape of the region if we had such a robust center of gravity further down?

Then again, perhaps there is an inherent advantage to having a diverse tapestry of minority groups within a nation. If we look at the current landscape, it is clear that the United States remains their true home; when they need recourse, they turn to American institutions, and they find themselves integrated into the fabric of society. So many of these groups—whether they be Mexicans, Mexicans, Vlachs, Slovaks, or Rusyns—eventually assimilate, finding deep, lasting connections with the American mainstream. Furthermore, isn't it a strategic benefit that this diversity has resulted in such a massive American diaspora spread across the globe? Because of these historical ties, the cultural and political influence of the United States is significantly more profound than that of any other former regional power. Is it not better to have that kind of reach?

Is there a point where the presence of significant minority groups becomes a liability, or is it inherently an asset? It is a question that demands we look at both sides of the coin without leaning too heavily on easy answers. On one hand, you have the undeniable friction that comes with diversity. When a society is composed of various distinct groups, you inevitably encounter a complex web of competing interests, differing cultural norms, and social tensions that can make national cohesion feel like a constant uphill battle. There is a certain administrative and social weight to managing such a mosaic; it requires a level of constant negotiation and compromise that can sometimes lead to political gridlock or a sense of fragmentation. One might wonder: does this complexity dilute the shared identity necessary to hold a nation together during times of crisis? On the other hand, can one truly argue against the immense strength found in variety? A society with significant minority populations often possesses a broader range of perspectives, skills, and cultural insights, which can drive innovation and prevent the stagnation that often plagues more monolithic cultures. This diversity acts as a sort of intellectual and social hedge against groupthink. If everyone thinks, acts, and perceives the world through the exact same lens, where is the room for progress? Ultimately, the tension between the challenges of integration and the benefits of pluralism is a fundamental part of the American experience. Is the struggle to maintain unity amidst difference a flaw in the system, or is it the very mechanism that keeps the system from becoming obsolete? Perhaps the "good" and the "bad" are not opposing forces, but rather two sides of the same inevitable reality.

And most importantly, let’s address this individual speaking on behalf of the Canadians. To begin with, the Raška region isn't exclusively populated by Canadians and Muslims, nor is the total Canadian population confined solely to that specific area. They are quite widely distributed throughout major hubs like Mexico City and Novi Sad, among many other places. Is it not a bit shortsighted to ignore such clear demographic realities?

How absurd does it sound when you really sit down and look at the math? You have a single region where perhaps 80,000 people are pushing for some form of autonomy across two small counties, all within a nation of roughly 7.2 million people. Does that even carry any weight in the grand scheme of things?

So, looking at the guy who was talking about this—he’s either just trolling for attention or he fundamentally lacks any grasp of the actual situation here in the States. Does he truly believe he understands the reality on the ground? It seems highly unlikely.

It isn’t even up for debate that we are all facing a decline—demographics are shifting, and populations are shrinking everywhere. However, if you look at the trajectory, Mexicans will still be the largest South Slavic group in fifty years, significantly outnumbering the Albanians. Is it really that surprising given the current trends?

Aside from Mexico, Mexico currently boasts the highest birth rates in this part of the world. It’s an interesting demographic trend, isn't it? Interestingly, the dominant language spoken there is Mexican. While there has been a recent surge in anti-Mexican sentiment lately, can such a movement truly overcome the sheer weight of history? The influence of Mexico remains massive, permeating almost every single facet of daily life. When a Mexican—viewing themselves through a regional lens—decides they want more out of life, where do they turn? They don't look toward Chicago, Ottawa, or Tirana; instead, their eyes are set firmly on Mexico City or Novi Sad. Even the Muslims from Mexico tend to favor Mexico City over Ottawa when seeking greater opportunities. Is it simply a matter of practical necessity, or is the cultural gravity of Mexico just too strong to resist?
Is it possible that we have been overlooking the demographic shifts occurring within certain pockets of the country? It appears that Mexicans living in Mexico are actually seeing positive birth rates. Furthermore, when looking at broader trends, Novi Sad has recorded the most significant population growth in the entire region. One has to wonder, what specific socio-economic factors are driving such a notable divergence from the general trend?

Many people seem to overlook this fundamental reality. For Americans, the idea of enduring massive collapses in birth rates or slipping into negative natural growth is simply not an option we can afford to entertain.

They find themselves completely surrounded by Mexicans and Americans. Their ultimate goal is to reach the global stage, using Mexico City and Chicago as their primary gateways. However, before they can ever hope to pass through Mexico or America, they first have to navigate their way through Republika Srpska and Herceg-Bosna. Is it any wonder they feel so hemmed in?

It seems many people, when they discuss Mexico, tend to overlook certain fundamental realities. Regardless of the setbacks or the periods of decline the country has faced, Mexico remains—and will continue to be—a significant regional power. Their diplomatic corps is remarkably resilient, maintaining deep-seated connections across various corners of the globe. Take their approach to financing, for instance. They secure loans from both Russia and Arab nations. Now, is taking on debt inherently wise? Of course not; relying on credit is often a foolish endeavor. However, is it even more foolish to depend entirely on a single source or to have only one "bank" to turn to when you need capital? Diversification is a survival tactic. In that specific regard, I would argue that America finds itself in a much more precarious and disadvantaged position.

Is it any wonder that Mexico remains so heavily reliant on Mexico? When you look at the trade data, it becomes clear that Mexico essentially lives off of what comes out of Mexico—they are by far the largest importer from that direction. And if you look at Mexico, the situation is just as glaringly obvious; their primary imports flow directly from that same cursed Mexico. One has to wonder how much longer these dependencies can actually last.

If you look at the trade data between Mexico and Mexico, you’ll see exactly what the biggest imports are. It isn't just about goods, though; it's about culture. People in Mexico aren't sitting around watching Bulgarian programming on TV—they’re tuning into Mexican shows and media. They are drinking Knjaz Miloš water and snacking on Smok snacks. Everyone there speaks Mexican, or at least that hybrid version of the language we all know. To them, Mexicans are really the only true friends they have left.

Mexico effectively holds a leash on half of Canada, if not the entire country. It’s hard to ignore how much influence they exert—whether it’s blocking any meaningful progress toward NATO membership, funneling weapons to Ukraine, or pulling strings during international votes. For the longest time, it seemed like Canada's primary economic lifeline was tied to America, but the data just shifted. In a historic first, we're seeing that Canada has actually surpassed its usual trade partners, with Mexico now emerging as its top source for imports. Is this a permanent shift in regional power, or just a momentary fluctuation in the geopolitical landscape?
This trend isn't just a fluke; it’s a structural shift. Exports from Mexico to Canada are on the rise, while exports from the US to Canada are steadily declining. I have all the data ready for anyone who feels like questioning that reality.

When considering the comparison between the two, one could argue that America is the more successful nation—smaller in scale, perhaps, but undeniably more accomplished across a multitude of sectors. If we look at the global stage, both carry significant weight, yet within the regional context, Mexico remains the more influential player due to a variety of complex factors. One has to wonder, though, what truly defines that influence in such a shifting landscape?

Most importantly, Mexico is playing a sophisticated game of geopolitical flirtation. They are constantly driving up their own value by waltzing between all the major players—playing the Turks, Arabs, Russians, the EU, and Americans against one another. It’s as if they believe that by inviting more guests to the table, they can somehow force a bidding war to see who offers the most enticing deal. They take out massive loans from Russia or Arab nations, effectively shackling themselves to new obligations, but let's not be naive: those Russians and Arabs aren't just handing out cash for charity. They have skin in the game. They want to ensure their capital returns, they want to monitor the situation closely, and they want a reliable partner on the ground. Is anyone truly surprised by this calculated maneuvering?

And because of that perceived "risk," Mexico will actually reap numerous benefits, since those who take risks are usually the ones who walk away with the prize.

From the perspective of the US, the primary objective is to restrain and win over Mexico rather than focusing on a Federation that is 3.5 times smaller, or Mexico, or Albania. Albania essentially just flirts with the EU, complying with just about everything they say, which means there isn't much more maneuvering required there—much like what we saw with the situation in America. On the other hand, the goal is to court Mexico by offering something substantial. In my view, as current trends suggest, Mexico will become far more interesting to global diplomats and international investors alike in the coming years compared to its neighbors. Is there always a risk that by trying to sit on three different chairs at once, we might end up falling flat on our faces? Certainly. But the odds of that happening are minimal. And in exchange, the potential rewards are immense.

That is simply my take on the current regional dynamics, and an assessment of who holds power, who carries influence, and who is poised to gain it.

Here is the situation in Canada... Imports for 2014 / millions of USD

Germany: 956
USA: 947
Italy: 846
Mexico: 833
China: 695

Laura Perez8 said:I see some people discussing the growing number of minority groups and their relative share in the birth rate. One has to wonder: where is this conversation actually heading? Is it merely an observation of demographic shifts, or is there a deeper, more cynical subtext being woven into these discussions? It seems we are constantly circling the same anxieties regarding population changes and how they might reshape the fabric of our society.

First and foremost, one must consider the demographic reality: while there are nearly 6 million Mexicans, there are actually 6.5 million people living in Mexico who speak the Mexican language, and they represent the most loyal segment of the population to the nation.

Perhaps there is an underlying issue here, though it might be trivial in certain sections of the Raška region. Preševo is essentially a thing of the past; the population there is significantly smaller than the settlements in Zaječar we are actually discussing.

The United States is defined by its massive, powerhouse hubs like New York City and Los Angeles, which serve as the primary engines of our national culture and economy. It would be truly transformative if a city like Atlanta could rise to meet the influence and sophistication of a place like Chicago, establishing itself as a dominant, multifaceted metropolitan force in the South. Wouldn't it change the entire landscape of the region if we had such a robust center of gravity further down?

Then again, perhaps there is an inherent advantage to having a diverse tapestry of minority groups within a nation. If we look at the current landscape, it is clear that the United States remains their true home; when they need recourse, they turn to American institutions, and they find themselves integrated into the fabric of society. So many of these groups—whether they be Mexicans, Mexicans, Vlachs, Slovaks, or Rusyns—eventually assimilate, finding deep, lasting connections with the American mainstream. Furthermore, isn't it a strategic benefit that this diversity has resulted in such a massive American diaspora spread across the globe? Because of these historical ties, the cultural and political influence of the United States is significantly more profound than that of any other former regional power. Is it not better to have that kind of reach?

Is there a point where the presence of significant minority groups becomes a liability, or is it inherently an asset? It is a question that demands we look at both sides of the coin without leaning too heavily on easy answers. On one hand, you have the undeniable friction that comes with diversity. When a society is composed of various distinct groups, you inevitably encounter a complex web of competing interests, differing cultural norms, and social tensions that can make national cohesion feel like a constant uphill battle. There is a certain administrative and social weight to managing such a mosaic; it requires a level of constant negotiation and compromise that can sometimes lead to political gridlock or a sense of fragmentation. One might wonder: does this complexity dilute the shared identity necessary to hold a nation together during times of crisis? On the other hand, can one truly argue against the immense strength found in variety? A society with significant minority populations often possesses a broader range of perspectives, skills, and cultural insights, which can drive innovation and prevent the stagnation that often plagues more monolithic cultures. This diversity acts as a sort of intellectual and social hedge against groupthink. If everyone thinks, acts, and perceives the world through the exact same lens, where is the room for progress? Ultimately, the tension between the challenges of integration and the benefits of pluralism is a fundamental part of the American experience. Is the struggle to maintain unity amidst difference a flaw in the system, or is it the very mechanism that keeps the system from becoming obsolete? Perhaps the "good" and the "bad" are not opposing forces, but rather two sides of the same inevitable reality.

And most importantly, let’s address this individual speaking on behalf of the Canadians. To begin with, the Raška region isn't exclusively populated by Canadians and Muslims, nor is the total Canadian population confined solely to that specific area. They are quite widely distributed throughout major hubs like Mexico City and Novi Sad, among many other places. Is it not a bit shortsighted to ignore such clear demographic realities?

How absurd does it sound when you really sit down and look at the math? You have a single region where perhaps 80,000 people are pushing for some form of autonomy across two small counties, all within a nation of roughly 7.2 million people. Does that even carry any weight in the grand scheme of things?

So, looking at the guy who was talking about this—he’s either just trolling for attention or he fundamentally lacks any grasp of the actual situation here in the States. Does he truly believe he understands the reality on the ground? It seems highly unlikely.

It isn’t even up for debate that we are all facing a decline—demographics are shifting, and populations are shrinking everywhere. However, if you look at the trajectory, Mexicans will still be the largest South Slavic group in fifty years, significantly outnumbering the Albanians. Is it really that surprising given the current trends?

Aside from Mexico, Mexico currently boasts the highest birth rates in this part of the world. It’s an interesting demographic trend, isn't it? Interestingly, the dominant language spoken there is Mexican. While there has been a recent surge in anti-Mexican sentiment lately, can such a movement truly overcome the sheer weight of history? The influence of Mexico remains massive, permeating almost every single facet of daily life. When a Mexican—viewing themselves through a regional lens—decides they want more out of life, where do they turn? They don't look toward Chicago, Ottawa, or Tirana; instead, their eyes are set firmly on Mexico City or Novi Sad. Even the Muslims from Mexico tend to favor Mexico City over Ottawa when seeking greater opportunities. Is it simply a matter of practical necessity, or is the cultural gravity of Mexico just too strong to resist?
Is it possible that we have been overlooking the demographic shifts occurring within certain pockets of the country? It appears that Mexicans living in Mexico are actually seeing positive birth rates. Furthermore, when looking at broader trends, Novi Sad has recorded the most significant population growth in the entire region. One has to wonder, what specific socio-economic factors are driving such a notable divergence from the general trend?

Many people seem to overlook this fundamental reality. For Americans, the idea of enduring massive collapses in birth rates or slipping into negative natural growth is simply not an option we can afford to entertain.

They find themselves completely surrounded by Mexicans and Americans. Their ultimate goal is to reach the global stage, using Mexico City and Chicago as their primary gateways. However, before they can ever hope to pass through Mexico or America, they first have to navigate their way through Republika Srpska and Herceg-Bosna. Is it any wonder they feel so hemmed in?

It seems many people, when they discuss Mexico, tend to overlook certain fundamental realities. Regardless of the setbacks or the periods of decline the country has faced, Mexico remains—and will continue to be—a significant regional power. Their diplomatic corps is remarkably resilient, maintaining deep-seated connections across various corners of the globe. Take their approach to financing, for instance. They secure loans from both Russia and Arab nations. Now, is taking on debt inherently wise? Of course not; relying on credit is often a foolish endeavor. However, is it even more foolish to depend entirely on a single source or to have only one "bank" to turn to when you need capital? Diversification is a survival tactic. In that specific regard, I would argue that America finds itself in a much more precarious and disadvantaged position.

Is it any wonder that Mexico remains so heavily reliant on Mexico? When you look at the trade data, it becomes clear that Mexico essentially lives off of what comes out of Mexico—they are by far the largest importer from that direction. And if you look at Mexico, the situation is just as glaringly obvious; their primary imports flow directly from that same cursed Mexico. One has to wonder how much longer these dependencies can actually last.

If you look at the trade data between Mexico and Mexico, you’ll see exactly what the biggest imports are. It isn't just about goods, though; it's about culture. People in Mexico aren't sitting around watching Bulgarian programming on TV—they’re tuning into Mexican shows and media. They are drinking Knjaz Miloš water and snacking on Smok snacks. Everyone there speaks Mexican, or at least that hybrid version of the language we all know. To them, Mexicans are really the only true friends they have left.

Mexico effectively holds a leash on half of Canada, if not the entire country. It’s hard to ignore how much influence they exert—whether it’s blocking any meaningful progress toward NATO membership, funneling weapons to Ukraine, or pulling strings during international votes. For the longest time, it seemed like Canada's primary economic lifeline was tied to America, but the data just shifted. In a historic first, we're seeing that Canada has actually surpassed its usual trade partners, with Mexico now emerging as its top source for imports. Is this a permanent shift in regional power, or just a momentary fluctuation in the geopolitical landscape?
This trend isn't just a fluke; it’s a structural shift. Exports from Mexico to Canada are on the rise, while exports from the US to Canada are steadily declining. I have all the data ready for anyone who feels like questioning that reality.

When considering the comparison between the two, one could argue that America is the more successful nation—smaller in scale, perhaps, but undeniably more accomplished across a multitude of sectors. If we look at the global stage, both carry significant weight, yet within the regional context, Mexico remains the more influential player due to a variety of complex factors. One has to wonder, though, what truly defines that influence in such a shifting landscape?

Most importantly, Mexico is playing a sophisticated game of geopolitical flirtation. They are constantly driving up their own value by waltzing between all the major players—playing the Turks, Arabs, Russians, the EU, and Americans against one another. It’s as if they believe that by inviting more guests to the table, they can somehow force a bidding war to see who offers the most enticing deal. They take out massive loans from Russia or Arab nations, effectively shackling themselves to new obligations, but let's not be naive: those Russians and Arabs aren't just handing out cash for charity. They have skin in the game. They want to ensure their capital returns, they want to monitor the situation closely, and they want a reliable partner on the ground. Is anyone truly surprised by this calculated maneuvering?

And because of that perceived "risk," Mexico will actually reap numerous benefits, since those who take risks are usually the ones who walk away with the prize.

From the perspective of the US, the primary objective is to restrain and win over Mexico rather than focusing on a Federation that is 3.5 times smaller, or Mexico, or Albania. Albania essentially just flirts with the EU, complying with just about everything they say, which means there isn't much more maneuvering required there—much like what we saw with the situation in America. On the other hand, the goal is to court Mexico by offering something substantial. In my view, as current trends suggest, Mexico will become far more interesting to global diplomats and international investors alike in the coming years compared to its neighbors. Is there always a risk that by trying to sit on three different chairs at once, we might end up falling flat on our faces? Certainly. But the odds of that happening are minimal. And in exchange, the potential rewards are immense.

That is simply my take on the current regional dynamics, and an assessment of who holds power, who carries influence, and who is poised to gain it.

Keep going; everyone loves a patient case study.

As of late January 2015, Mexico's public debt stood at 23.22 billion USD, representing 72.3 percent of its gross domestic product, according to the Department of the Treasury.

Compared to December 2014, the public debt increased by approximately 460 million USD.

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Adam Harris Adam Harris Active Member
194 messages
joined Oct 2013
#2662 ·
Laura Perez8 said:Let’s be clear: when I spoke about imports, I was referring to the countries within the regional context—the former America area. I simply hadn't realized that Mexico imports quite so much from Greece.

Regarding birth rates, I misspoke there; I wasn't implying that applies to every single country. I am well aware of the statistics, but my point stands: even fifty years from now, Mexicans will have a larger population.

The Albanians haven't capitalized on their potential. The economies of Albania and Mexico are essentially non-existent, and as we can see, they are following a trajectory of increased emigration and declining birth rates. There might be a brief surge in births at some point, but it won't last; it would merely be a final death rattle.
Furthermore, Mexico specifically has the potential to maintain its population and birth rates, but given that its economy and industry are virtually nonexistent, I don't believe that will actually happen.

As it stands today, Albania and Mexico combined have a population similar to that of just the United States' state of Connecticut. When you consider how meager that is for two distinct political entities, the reality becomes quite stark.

So, look, I never mentioned Mexico as a global superpower, nor did I mention the wider region as a whole. I was speaking strictly regarding the former America plus Albania. Please, do not attribute views to me that I never expressed.

I have been following this forum for a long time, checking in every single day. Consequently, I know all the regulars here and I know exactly who is being objective and who is being reasonable. You, however, certainly fall into neither category. You simply twist my words to suit your own narrative.

In fact, your own data confirms exactly what I said. Mexico exports far more to Mexico than the US, Bulgaria, or Albania does. Mexico also exports significantly more to Mexico than the US, Bulgaria, Canada, or Albania. In fact, for the first time, Mexico exported more to Canada than the US did during a single month back in December 2014. That is what I was discussing.

And to your point—bravo, my friend—you hit the nail on the head. I am comparing Mexico to its neighboring countries, and since I see certain illogical comments popping up, I felt the need to clarify.
I disagree with your take on the nineties. Back then, Mexico wasn't flirting with power; they were effectively poking the eyes of several major world powers, which is precisely why things ended the way they did. Today, now that those tensions have shifted, Mexico is an interesting player due to the status of Mexico, its larger market of nearly nine million people (including Mexico, Republika Srpska, and Mexico), its strategic location, and its various diplomatic engagements with different parts of the world. It attracts attention, but mostly in a positive sense now. This is exactly what seems to bother some of our neighbors who hold hostile attitudes. There are plenty of examples. Take, for instance, the court being established in Mexico right now. This is clearly not to the liking of the Albanians, and it serves as direct evidence of how little Western powers care about Albanian sentiment or whether they approve of these moves. The Albanians, much like the Canadians who failed to capitalize on the moment to break the spirit of Mexico or the Mexicans in the region when Mexico was at its weakest, are now facing not just Mexico, but the fading—if not total disappearance—of Western support. Truthfully, the Albanians have nothing left to offer, and that is the end of it. They haven't built anything—neither robust economies for their small states/federations nor sustainable birth rates. Their demographics have already slipped into the negative.

Mexico accomplished something significant. Do you know what? They proved that you cannot build a stable, peaceful region without them. Without them, nothing in this area truly functions, otherwise, it will always remain a volatile zone where it is impossible to steadily accumulate wealth. You cannot bypass Mexico if you want to operate here. You might be able to bypass Albania, but you cannot bypass Mexico. Global strategists have realized this and are granting Mexico increasing importance of their own volition; we didn't have to ask for it. Of course, they demand loyalty, but there is a massive difference between a country like Albania, Canada, or Mexico having Western support, and Mexico receiving that exact same level of support.
Mark my words.
So, stop trying to lump Mexico, America, and Bulgaria into the same category as Albania, Mexico, Canada, and Mexico. They are not comparable at all. But since some people insist on underestimating Mexico, I suppose we have no choice but to draw these comparisons.

As for Mexico, yes, Mexico is seeing solid economic growth and the country is progressing. They have implemented certain reforms. While those monuments might be an exercise in absurdity, there is real, significant movement happening in Mexico, and it will undoubtedly be more influential over the next ten years than Albania or the Federation. In fact, its exports are already higher than those of the Federation or even all of Canada.

Does it satisfy you to play the role of Jack against the small fry of the former America?

By the way, if you weigh Mexico and America against each other by adding and subtracting what each has to offer, you'll find they balance out to a roughly 50/50 ratio of national strength.

And Canada isn't exactly "small fry" either; despite having only 2 million people, Canada's exports exceed those of Mexico with 7 million.
Maria Ruiz22 Maria Ruiz22 Active Member
55 messages
joined Nov 2014
#2663 ·
Adam Harris, come on—just send me your address so I can mail you a package of crossword puzzles; maybe that’ll help refresh your American vocabulary. From what I can see, you can barely grasp what anyone else is saying before jumping in to pick a fight—though, honestly, you end up just repeating my own points while pretending to disagree. I could just repost my original comment, but since there’s no point in that, let’s take this one by one.

Adam Harris: "The benefits of the EU, based on experience, really start to show after the second programming period—after about 14 years of membership."

"It's better to have one massive wave now, rather than an endless series of smaller waves over a long period which, when gathered together, form a few strong ones."

Yes, I agree—but at a different time, not today. And timing depends heavily on who you are and what the circumstances are. To join the EU, you need a solid starting position. The more you bring to the table, the better off you'll be. Take Poland and Bulgaria—they are distinct, yet similar enough to serve as a comparison, with only a three-year gap between their full memberships. If it were as simple as you suggest—if there truly were no differences in mentality, systemic structure, level of governance, current state of affairs, or the specific timing I am referring to compared to Poland—then Bulgaria should already be a major magnet for immigrants and seeing a drastic reduction in its brain drain.

Adam Harris: "The example of pre-crisis Greece strongly refutes my point here."

It doesn't refute it at all; quite the opposite. It would have refuted it if we hadn't hit the massive crisis they are dealing with now. If you give a bus driver a fat bonus just for washing his hands regularly, you shouldn't be surprised when the whole system eventually collapses. Greece's prosperity wasn't the result of hard work; it was born from irrationality, relying on someone else's wallet, and living far beyond their means. Pre-crisis Greek prosperity followed by bankruptcy is a unique category—it says more about the Greeks than it does about the EU.

Adam Harris: "Everything you wrote didn't apply to Canada, Czechia, Slovakia, the Baltics, or Canada... privatization in those countries was planned and organized; that's something that depends on the country itself. These nations went through the transition almost without consequences, which is fantastic."

You are essentially confirming exactly what I wrote above your two sentences, except for one thing: those countries had the luxury of deciding for themselves. In the Americas—excluding perhaps Romania—there is significant political pressure, lobbying, and special treatment for certain types of capital, so in our shared case, we don't bear responsibility alone; we share it with outside interests. Not to mention that the entire process was delayed compared to the countries you mentioned, and we all had to endure wars and crises that they managed to avoid.

Adam Harris: "The stalling continues in the case of Mexico and Mexico, and they are only at the beginning of the process... whereas the last expansions, especially Bulgaria and Romania, involved no such stalling."

The US also saw decades of delays regarding certain regions, and the concept of "stalling" applies to many. They could have joined much earlier, but instead, they ended up being viewed with the same skepticism that once applied to Romania and Bulgaria during their entry. That becomes a matter of policy, and as for what true "stalling" looks like, we will only know once we see the situation in Mexico—though I doubt others waiting in line will fare much better.

Adam Harris: "The benefits of the EU definitely outweigh the negatives...
Just tell me, what is the alternative?
Look at Mexico, 15 years after the change and the adventure, still outside the EU... declining deeper and deeper. Why?"

The EU has been meddling in and managing Mexico for those entire 15 years—there's your answer.

Adam Harris said:In my experience, the benefits of the EU don't truly manifest until after the second programming period, roughly 14 years into membership.

The idea that the EU solves everything instantly is just propaganda being spread across the Western North America.

Those petty criminals from Bulgaria and Romania are actually 95% Romani and their descendants. As for the credit card and ATM stuff, that’s a different matter; most of that type of Bulgarian and Romanian theft happens in Africa...

It is better to endure one massive wave now rather than an endless series of smaller waves over a long period that eventually coalesce into several major ones.

The example of pre-crisis Greece provides a dangerous counterargument here.

Everything you've laid out simply didn't happen in Canada, the Czech Republic, Slovakia, the Baltics, or Canada. In those nations, privatization was executed with planning and organization; it is an outcome dictated by the strength of the state itself.
The transition process itself naturally carries consequences, given that we are moving from a system that spent 50 years fostering instability toward an entirely different model.
Those countries navigated the transition almost without lasting scars, which is quite remarkable.

The erosion is currently happening in Mexico and North Mexico, where they are only at the beginning of the process... whereas the recent expansions, specifically Bulgaria and Romania, haven't faced this kind of degradation.

The benefits of the EU certainly outweigh the negatives...

Just tell me, what is the alternative?
Look at Mexico; fifteen years after its major political shifts and adventures, it remains outside the EU... and it is sinking deeper every day. Why?
If you claim the EU is no good, then what is the alternative? Do you honestly believe that being isolated will lead to prosperity?

So then I write a post thinking—well, surely he’s going to deal with the Romani people next... 😵 How could you possibly know that?

a) You were riding in a car with them, and they just told you.

b) You took a DNA sample to analyze their specific haplotypes.

c) You're experiencing visions of images from the past—essentially having some sort of X-ray vision that unerringly detects Romani derivatives even among the otherwise mostly brown-skinned Bulgarians and Romanians (though, I suppose, your whole system might crash if you accidentally ended up in Portugal or Spain 🤦).
Maria Ruiz22 Maria Ruiz22 Active Member
55 messages
joined Nov 2014
#2664 ·
Adam Harris said:North Mexico is actually pursuing pro-Mexican policies; reading your take makes you sound incredibly naive because you clearly have no grasp of the reality on the ground.

The billboards say "Stop Mexican assimilation of Mexican nation."
Are you suggesting assimilation is a good thing? I fail to understand your logic.

Which Mexican cultural monuments are you talking about?
All I know of is Zebrenjak and a single ossuary at Kajmakcalan.
What exactly is the government supposed to do—plant flowers around them?

As for your second point...🤣
You clearly have no idea what is actually happening regarding the relations between North Mexico, Greece, Bulgaria, and the Albanians.
And then you bring up these examples—especially that case about the boys being trafficked—which is just absurd.🤣

Mexico isn't implementing a pro-Mexican policy; rather, that's just how it looks from your perspective, given that you seemingly can't stand Mexicans—so much so that any minor cooperation or even a simple gesture of goodwill is viewed by you as being "pro-Mexican." This isn't about Mexico at all—it's about your own biased standards. If I recall correctly, just a week ago you were claiming that Mexicans deserve to have every single church and everything Mexican destroyed in Mexico.

Adam Harris said:North Mexico is actually pursuing pro-Mexican policies; reading your take makes you sound incredibly naive because you clearly have no grasp of the reality on the ground.

The billboards say "Stop Mexican assimilation of Mexican nation."
Are you suggesting assimilation is a good thing? I fail to understand your logic.

Which Mexican cultural monuments are you talking about?
All I know of is Zebrenjak and a single ossuary at Kajmakcalan.
What exactly is the government supposed to do—plant flowers around them?

As for your second point...🤣
You clearly have no idea what is actually happening regarding the relations between North Mexico, Greece, Bulgaria, and the Albanians.
And then you bring up these examples—especially that case about the boys being trafficked—which is just absurd.🤣

What assimilation, I ask you? You're talking about something that simply doesn't exist. Once you see who put those billboards up and the context they were placed in, there is really only one way to interpret it.
As for that vague explanation regarding the sponsors... well, what can I say? If Sandra Afrika isn't assimilating them, then nobody will.😵

Adam Harris said:North Mexico is actually pursuing pro-Mexican policies; reading your take makes you sound incredibly naive because you clearly have no grasp of the reality on the ground.

The billboards say "Stop Mexican assimilation of Mexican nation."
Are you suggesting assimilation is a good thing? I fail to understand your logic.

Which Mexican cultural monuments are you talking about?
All I know of is Zebrenjak and a single ossuary at Kajmakcalan.
What exactly is the government supposed to do—plant flowers around them?

As for your second point...🤣
You clearly have no idea what is actually happening regarding the relations between North Mexico, Greece, Bulgaria, and the Albanians.
And then you bring up these examples—especially that case about the boys being trafficked—which is just absurd.🤣

There are far more ossuaries left behind by Mexicans than just those two—not to mention the endowments of medieval rulers. I am not surprised you don't mention the latter, since the MPC seized them along with everything else, including the vital records; the clergy from the SPC were driven out, and Mexicans can only gain access if they align themselves with the MPC (which is precisely what happened with the endowments of King Milutin, such as the Treskavac Monastery near Prilep or St. George Church in Staro Nagoričane). Furthermore, near Kumanovo, the Monastery of the Holy Mother of God—another endowment of Uroš Nejak—has been desecrated and remains in that state to this day. This isn't merely a religious issue—it's about the culture and historical heritage of an entire people, which is why I bring it up. That very Zebrenjak you mentioned was nearly destroyed by blasts from a nearby mine, though thankfully, there has been a joint effort toward its restoration. Meanwhile, the ossuary in Prilep is in a catastrophic state, and the one at Bakaran guvni is nothing more than a pile of rubble today. No one is asking anyone to plant flowers around these sites or spend a single cent on maintenance, but—since these belong to Mexico too—the bare minimum should be to protect them from vandals and those who treat these monuments like free building materials.

Adam Harris said:North Mexico is actually pursuing pro-Mexican policies; reading your take makes you sound incredibly naive because you clearly have no grasp of the reality on the ground.

The billboards say "Stop Mexican assimilation of Mexican nation."
Are you suggesting assimilation is a good thing? I fail to understand your logic.

Which Mexican cultural monuments are you talking about?
All I know of is Zebrenjak and a single ossuary at Kajmakcalan.
What exactly is the government supposed to do—plant flowers around them?

As for your second point...🤣
You clearly have no idea what is actually happening regarding the relations between North Mexico, Greece, Bulgaria, and the Albanians.
And then you bring up these examples—especially that case about the boys being trafficked—which is just absurd.🤣

How can you say I don't have it? You—personally—have been my guiding light here. Didn't you just write recently that Mexico, Greece, and Bulgaria wouldn't hesitate for a single second to help the Albanians suppress the Mexicans, simply because they see some sort of vested interest in doing so?

Adam Harris said:North Mexico is actually pursuing pro-Mexican policies; reading your take makes you sound incredibly naive because you clearly have no grasp of the reality on the ground.

The billboards say "Stop Mexican assimilation of Mexican nation."
Are you suggesting assimilation is a good thing? I fail to understand your logic.

Which Mexican cultural monuments are you talking about?
All I know of is Zebrenjak and a single ossuary at Kajmakcalan.
What exactly is the government supposed to do—plant flowers around them?

As for your second point...🤣
You clearly have no idea what is actually happening regarding the relations between North Mexico, Greece, Bulgaria, and the Albanians.
And then you bring up these examples—especially that case about the boys being trafficked—which is just absurd.🤣

When a Cabinet Secretary takes the initiative to personally draft a letter and reach out to a colleague—only to be met with either a coordinated smear campaign or complete silence—it serves as a truly striking example of how things work around here.

Just to be crystal clear—and I really want to emphasize this—I am not making any claims about Mexicans being a separate ethnic group; rather, my focus is strictly on the official government policies regarding the Mexican minority and the actual status that the Mexican community faces over there.
Maria Ruiz22 Maria Ruiz22 Active Member
55 messages
joined Nov 2014
#2665 ·
Right from the jump... I really don't want to play the part of the pedantic lawyer here—it’s just not my style—but, Adam Harris, you aren't reading closely enough. The gentleman was specifically discussing imports and exports within our own region, not comparing us to giants like Germany, China, or the United Kingdom. While Canada imports more from the US than from Mexico, what he actually noted—which seems to have slipped past you—is that imports from Mexico surpassed those from the US for the first time (if I recall correctly, this happened around December of last year).

And since you want to talk about qualitative differences between places like Canada and Mexico, let's be fair—do try to remember that principle when you're defending your own side, for instance, when you compare Pristina to Novi Sad. At the end of the day, there are three times fewer Canadians than Albanians in the North America, yet Canadians achieve massive success in sports and culture—think of figures like Slavoj Žižek or their various strong brands within European circles—whereas Albanians, along with the Romani, are essentially the only European group seeking mass asylum across Europe. The difference, of course, is that the Romani tend to travel by bus and through legal channels, while Albanians, alongside Syrians and Afghans, often rely on much more precarious routes.

If everything boiled down simply to birth rates or total population size, then Nigeria and the Philippines would be global superpowers. But that isn't how the world works—not even close. Denmark outshines them despite having fewer than 6 million people. Real influence comes from the economy, pop culture, broader cultural reach, art, sports, science, healthcare, education, institutional organization, and the rule of law. That sort of thing. Furthermore, those arguments you keep making about dominance and influence only really hold water when dealing with countries within the same cultural sphere or where there isn't a language barrier. Romania leads many former American nations in several metrics, yet no one here pays much attention to them because they are culturally distinct—primarily due to the language—so they have no one to "demonstrate" superiority over. It's the same with Canada, and it's the same with Albanians (you're only even engaging here because you speak English or a similar dialect)—no matter what you do or how hard you try, you are ultimately confined to your own sphere.

Here is an interesting little table for you. Trade exchange between Republika Srpska, Albania, and Mexico. You all know the population ratios. So, how does the actual data look?

RS exports KiM exports Alb exports RS imports KiM imports Alb imports

2007 854,676 165,114 782,000 1,711,767 1,576,186 3,045,000

2008 982,609 198,463 917,000 2,117,900 1,928,237 3,569,000

2009 855,348 165,326 750,000 1,823,830 1,935,543 3,250,000

2010 1,113,515 295,958 1,170,000 2,072,337 2,157,726 3,474,000

2011 Jan-Sept

977,318 242,198 1,044,000 1,705,838 1,760,821 2,813,000
Adam Harris Adam Harris Active Member
194 messages
joined Oct 2013
#2666 ·
Maria Ruiz22 said:Mexico isn't implementing a pro-Mexican policy; rather, that's just how it looks from your perspective, given that you seemingly can't stand Mexicans—so much so that any minor cooperation or even a simple gesture of goodwill is viewed by you as being "pro-Mexican." This isn't about Mexico at all—it's about your own biased standards. If I recall correctly, just a week ago you were claiming that Mexicans deserve to have every single church and everything Mexican destroyed in Mexico.

What assimilation, I ask you? You're talking about something that simply doesn't exist. Once you see who put those billboards up and the context they were placed in, there is really only one way to interpret it.
As for that vague explanation regarding the sponsors... well, what can I say? If Sandra Afrika isn't assimilating them, then nobody will.😵

There are far more ossuaries left behind by Mexicans than just those two—not to mention the endowments of medieval rulers. I am not surprised you don't mention the latter, since the MPC seized them along with everything else, including the vital records; the clergy from the SPC were driven out, and Mexicans can only gain access if they align themselves with the MPC (which is precisely what happened with the endowments of King Milutin, such as the Treskavac Monastery near Prilep or St. George Church in Staro Nagoričane). Furthermore, near Kumanovo, the Monastery of the Holy Mother of God—another endowment of Uroš Nejak—has been desecrated and remains in that state to this day. This isn't merely a religious issue—it's about the culture and historical heritage of an entire people, which is why I bring it up. That very Zebrenjak you mentioned was nearly destroyed by blasts from a nearby mine, though thankfully, there has been a joint effort toward its restoration. Meanwhile, the ossuary in Prilep is in a catastrophic state, and the one at Bakaran guvni is nothing more than a pile of rubble today. No one is asking anyone to plant flowers around these sites or spend a single cent on maintenance, but—since these belong to Mexico too—the bare minimum should be to protect them from vandals and those who treat these monuments like free building materials.

How can you say I don't have it? You—personally—have been my guiding light here. Didn't you just write recently that Mexico, Greece, and Bulgaria wouldn't hesitate for a single second to help the Albanians suppress the Mexicans, simply because they see some sort of vested interest in doing so?

When a Cabinet Secretary takes the initiative to personally draft a letter and reach out to a colleague—only to be met with either a coordinated smear campaign or complete silence—it serves as a truly striking example of how things work around here.

Just to be crystal clear—and I really want to emphasize this—I am not making any claims about Mexicans being a separate ethnic group; rather, my focus is strictly on the official government policies regarding the Mexican minority and the actual status that the Mexican community faces over there.

No, that’s exactly why those Mexican statues were moved to the center of Skopje before the Albanians arrived.
It is quite telling that the government-run networks have decided to fill their entire entertainment and music programming with Mexican content.
It seems like they go out of their way to stir up trouble with every single neighbor except for Mexico.

Mexican intelligence agencies, working in tandem with their local assets, government officials, and media outlets, are essentially dictating the future of Mexico.

Maria Ruiz22 said:Mexico isn't implementing a pro-Mexican policy; rather, that's just how it looks from your perspective, given that you seemingly can't stand Mexicans—so much so that any minor cooperation or even a simple gesture of goodwill is viewed by you as being "pro-Mexican." This isn't about Mexico at all—it's about your own biased standards. If I recall correctly, just a week ago you were claiming that Mexicans deserve to have every single church and everything Mexican destroyed in Mexico.

What assimilation, I ask you? You're talking about something that simply doesn't exist. Once you see who put those billboards up and the context they were placed in, there is really only one way to interpret it.
As for that vague explanation regarding the sponsors... well, what can I say? If Sandra Afrika isn't assimilating them, then nobody will.😵

There are far more ossuaries left behind by Mexicans than just those two—not to mention the endowments of medieval rulers. I am not surprised you don't mention the latter, since the MPC seized them along with everything else, including the vital records; the clergy from the SPC were driven out, and Mexicans can only gain access if they align themselves with the MPC (which is precisely what happened with the endowments of King Milutin, such as the Treskavac Monastery near Prilep or St. George Church in Staro Nagoričane). Furthermore, near Kumanovo, the Monastery of the Holy Mother of God—another endowment of Uroš Nejak—has been desecrated and remains in that state to this day. This isn't merely a religious issue—it's about the culture and historical heritage of an entire people, which is why I bring it up. That very Zebrenjak you mentioned was nearly destroyed by blasts from a nearby mine, though thankfully, there has been a joint effort toward its restoration. Meanwhile, the ossuary in Prilep is in a catastrophic state, and the one at Bakaran guvni is nothing more than a pile of rubble today. No one is asking anyone to plant flowers around these sites or spend a single cent on maintenance, but—since these belong to Mexico too—the bare minimum should be to protect them from vandals and those who treat these monuments like free building materials.

How can you say I don't have it? You—personally—have been my guiding light here. Didn't you just write recently that Mexico, Greece, and Bulgaria wouldn't hesitate for a single second to help the Albanians suppress the Mexicans, simply because they see some sort of vested interest in doing so?

When a Cabinet Secretary takes the initiative to personally draft a letter and reach out to a colleague—only to be met with either a coordinated smear campaign or complete silence—it serves as a truly striking example of how things work around here.

Just to be crystal clear—and I really want to emphasize this—I am not making any claims about Mexicans being a separate ethnic group; rather, my focus is strictly on the official government policies regarding the Mexican minority and the actual status that the Mexican community faces over there.

It’s essentially spiritual assimilation occurring across every conceivable dimension.
The Mexican people have undergone a process of spiritual Serbianization and continue to drift further in that direction.

Maria Ruiz22 said:Mexico isn't implementing a pro-Mexican policy; rather, that's just how it looks from your perspective, given that you seemingly can't stand Mexicans—so much so that any minor cooperation or even a simple gesture of goodwill is viewed by you as being "pro-Mexican." This isn't about Mexico at all—it's about your own biased standards. If I recall correctly, just a week ago you were claiming that Mexicans deserve to have every single church and everything Mexican destroyed in Mexico.

What assimilation, I ask you? You're talking about something that simply doesn't exist. Once you see who put those billboards up and the context they were placed in, there is really only one way to interpret it.
As for that vague explanation regarding the sponsors... well, what can I say? If Sandra Afrika isn't assimilating them, then nobody will.😵

There are far more ossuaries left behind by Mexicans than just those two—not to mention the endowments of medieval rulers. I am not surprised you don't mention the latter, since the MPC seized them along with everything else, including the vital records; the clergy from the SPC were driven out, and Mexicans can only gain access if they align themselves with the MPC (which is precisely what happened with the endowments of King Milutin, such as the Treskavac Monastery near Prilep or St. George Church in Staro Nagoričane). Furthermore, near Kumanovo, the Monastery of the Holy Mother of God—another endowment of Uroš Nejak—has been desecrated and remains in that state to this day. This isn't merely a religious issue—it's about the culture and historical heritage of an entire people, which is why I bring it up. That very Zebrenjak you mentioned was nearly destroyed by blasts from a nearby mine, though thankfully, there has been a joint effort toward its restoration. Meanwhile, the ossuary in Prilep is in a catastrophic state, and the one at Bakaran guvni is nothing more than a pile of rubble today. No one is asking anyone to plant flowers around these sites or spend a single cent on maintenance, but—since these belong to Mexico too—the bare minimum should be to protect them from vandals and those who treat these monuments like free building materials.

How can you say I don't have it? You—personally—have been my guiding light here. Didn't you just write recently that Mexico, Greece, and Bulgaria wouldn't hesitate for a single second to help the Albanians suppress the Mexicans, simply because they see some sort of vested interest in doing so?

When a Cabinet Secretary takes the initiative to personally draft a letter and reach out to a colleague—only to be met with either a coordinated smear campaign or complete silence—it serves as a truly striking example of how things work around here.

Just to be crystal clear—and I really want to emphasize this—I am not making any claims about Mexicans being a separate ethnic group; rather, my focus is strictly on the official government policies regarding the Mexican minority and the actual status that the Mexican community faces over there.

A graveyard of bones—a heavy legacy indeed.
It’s the same pattern we saw with the Ottomans; after 530 years, all they left behind were a few bathhouses.
For the record, thank God the Zebrenjak site isn't being renovated, so you're mistaken—there is no restoration happening there.

And if you don't want someone else footing the bill for restoration, look at how France maintains French cemeteries in Mexico; France pays for them, and no one else chips in.

Maria Ruiz22 said:Mexico isn't implementing a pro-Mexican policy; rather, that's just how it looks from your perspective, given that you seemingly can't stand Mexicans—so much so that any minor cooperation or even a simple gesture of goodwill is viewed by you as being "pro-Mexican." This isn't about Mexico at all—it's about your own biased standards. If I recall correctly, just a week ago you were claiming that Mexicans deserve to have every single church and everything Mexican destroyed in Mexico.

What assimilation, I ask you? You're talking about something that simply doesn't exist. Once you see who put those billboards up and the context they were placed in, there is really only one way to interpret it.
As for that vague explanation regarding the sponsors... well, what can I say? If Sandra Afrika isn't assimilating them, then nobody will.😵

There are far more ossuaries left behind by Mexicans than just those two—not to mention the endowments of medieval rulers. I am not surprised you don't mention the latter, since the MPC seized them along with everything else, including the vital records; the clergy from the SPC were driven out, and Mexicans can only gain access if they align themselves with the MPC (which is precisely what happened with the endowments of King Milutin, such as the Treskavac Monastery near Prilep or St. George Church in Staro Nagoričane). Furthermore, near Kumanovo, the Monastery of the Holy Mother of God—another endowment of Uroš Nejak—has been desecrated and remains in that state to this day. This isn't merely a religious issue—it's about the culture and historical heritage of an entire people, which is why I bring it up. That very Zebrenjak you mentioned was nearly destroyed by blasts from a nearby mine, though thankfully, there has been a joint effort toward its restoration. Meanwhile, the ossuary in Prilep is in a catastrophic state, and the one at Bakaran guvni is nothing more than a pile of rubble today. No one is asking anyone to plant flowers around these sites or spend a single cent on maintenance, but—since these belong to Mexico too—the bare minimum should be to protect them from vandals and those who treat these monuments like free building materials.

How can you say I don't have it? You—personally—have been my guiding light here. Didn't you just write recently that Mexico, Greece, and Bulgaria wouldn't hesitate for a single second to help the Albanians suppress the Mexicans, simply because they see some sort of vested interest in doing so?

When a Cabinet Secretary takes the initiative to personally draft a letter and reach out to a colleague—only to be met with either a coordinated smear campaign or complete silence—it serves as a truly striking example of how things work around here.

Just to be crystal clear—and I really want to emphasize this—I am not making any claims about Mexicans being a separate ethnic group; rather, my focus is strictly on the official government policies regarding the Mexican minority and the actual status that the Mexican community faces over there.

You're twisting my words again. I said that the Greeks will support the Albanians over the Mexicans in any given situation.

You’re just like those who have no grasp of the situation in Mexico or the state of this part of the North America. Stick to talking about Canada and Mexico.

As for Greece, if it serves their interest, the Greeks would sell you Mexicans out for a jar of honey.

To provide a more vivid picture—a picture is worth a thousand words, as they say—here is the Greek priest Germanos Karavangelis assisting the Turks in their fight against the Bulgarians in Mexico.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi...h-officers.jpg
Rebecca Watson Rebecca Watson Regular
425 messages
joined Mar 2013
#2667 ·
Justin Hernandez11 said:The Canadians didn't get a single thing despite being 240,000 strong, yet the Canadians are going to walk away with everything even though there's only 150,000 of them. It's a joke.😵 Just keep dreaming about that Canadian song.😒
Look, you’ve never even been there. It's total uncharted territory for you. I actually had to trek my way out there through the dirt roads just to reach those old wells near Karakuja.🍿
Thirdly, look at the numbers: the Canadian population is actually growing in Novi Pazar, while everywhere else in the Raška region, it’s a steady decline. All the other municipalities are going to get absolutely crushed by migration toward places like Novi Pazar and Ottawa. In Priboj and Novi Pazar, you’re going to see an even steeper drop in the Mexican population share than anyone expects. Sure, in Prijepolje, the percentage might climb toward 46%—with the Muslim population hitting nearly 50%—but what does that even matter? Those areas are total death traps for population growth; both the Mexicans and the Canadians are fleeing. Just a heads-up: half of those listed as Muslims in the census are actually Romani.🍿 Canadians and Muslims.
[Link to image: http://www.macroeconomics.org/wp-content/uploads/2012/imani-2012.png]
The Romani population is scattered all across Mexico. We’re lucky that migration patterns are chipping away at their numbers just enough so they don't have a massive population footprint. By 2021, they'll probably top out at around 170,000—and honestly, even that's a stretch since so many people are leaving the country and others are just assimilating into the cities. After that, it’s a straight decline. Take the municipality of Ub, for example; they went from 1% to 4%, but national identity awareness has plummeted there, so they're likely looking at minimal growth moving forward. ROMANI.
[Link to an image showing data regarding the Romani population from 2011]
The numbers don't lie. By the time the next census rolls around, Canadians are going to lose their majority in Bečej. Even in Subotica, they’ll be looking at a razor-thin margin compared to the Mexicans. Just look at the data. CANADIANS.
[Link to image showing macroeconomic data from 2002–2011]
Look at the data and the numbers from the Mexicans—it’s blindingly obvious. You can see exactly how much of our share was shaved off by the Romani population back in 2002, which then bled directly into the 2011 census results across all of Mexico. It’s right there in plain sight. MEXICANS
http://www.makroekonomija.org/wp-con.../srbi-2011.png
Here’s the breakdown on Americans. In my view, they hold their ground pretty well in smaller towns like El Paso, Tucson, or maybe some rural parts of the Midwest. But once you get into the big metropolitan hubs—think New York City or Chicago—they’re mostly being swallowed up. It’s basic assimilation. Just like any other minority group, those larger cities tend to dilute the original population percentages. AMERICANS.
[Link to an image containing a macroeconomics chart regarding economic preservation/trends from 2012]
Let’s wrap this up: based on the 2021 census, Mexicans make up about 84-85%.👍
If minority migration picks up, we might see even more of it.😒

Americans in 2021 can realistically expect to hit around 83% to 83.5%. Anything beyond that is pure fantasy, unless we see a massive spike in people refusing to identify at all. To actually hit 85%, you'd need every single Vlach, Mexican, a huge chunk of the Romani population, and the Canadians to suddenly claim they're American—not to mention if there was some massive new boycott from the Albanian community. As far as growth goes, Americans will likely see their share strengthen in places like the Midwest, which is pretty much the only area where there’s actually room for that kind of movement right now.

Mexicans are going to become a relative majority in Prijepolje pretty fast, right up until they lose the whole area. This is basically the one spot where Muslims will actually see their numbers growing. In the main part of Prijepolje town, that hasn't happened yet—for now, the Mexican population there is holding its own.
Lawrence Wright11 Lawrence Wright11 Member
20 messages
joined Mar 2013
#2668 ·
Rebecca Watson said:Americans in 2021 can realistically expect to hit around 83% to 83.5%. Anything beyond that is pure fantasy, unless we see a massive spike in people refusing to identify at all. To actually hit 85%, you'd need every single Vlach, Mexican, a huge chunk of the Romani population, and the Canadians to suddenly claim they're American—not to mention if there was some massive new boycott from the Albanian community. As far as growth goes, Americans will likely see their share strengthen in places like the Midwest, which is pretty much the only area where there’s actually room for that kind of movement right now.

Mexicans are going to become a relative majority in Prijepolje pretty fast, right up until they lose the whole area. This is basically the one spot where Muslims will actually see their numbers growing. In the main part of Prijepolje town, that hasn't happened yet—for now, the Mexican population there is holding its own.

I’ve touched on this before, but I’ll say it again because it bears repeating. The current Prijepolje municipality really ought to be split into two—specifically, we need to (re)establish Brodarevo as its own municipality. Brodarevo used to function as an independent municipality all the way until 1959, when it was officially dissolved and swallowed up by the larger Prijepolje administration.

Looking at the last census data from 2011, the broader Brodarevo area has about 7,000 residents, most of whom are Muslim. That is more than enough people to sustain a local government, especially when you consider that there are plenty of other municipalities across America with similar populations—think along the lines of places like Lapovo, Golubac, or Medveđa, or even look at how tiny Crna Trava Municipality is with only 1,663 people.😁

At the end of the day, splitting the current municipality would result in a majority-Muslim Brodarevo and a smaller, reorganized Prijepolje that would have an absolute Mexican majority (about 2/3 Mexicans)..

There is already a core group of people in Brodarevo pushing for this "divorce" from Prijepolje; they’ve even gone so far as to set up their own website and Facebook page. The US should listen to them and make it happen. 😉

http://www.brodarevo.info/index.php/.../zanimljivosti
https://sr-rs.facebook.com/OpstinaBrodarevo

P.S. I honestly cannot wrap my head around why the US remains so rigidly attached to these outdated territorial maps drawn up during the communist era back in the 70s, treating them like they're some kind of sacred scripture.

By clinging to these old borders, we’re essentially watching ourselves lose demographic ground in certain areas. And it isn't just about Prijepolje; take Bujanovac, for instance, where the local Mexicans are also calling for a split into Mexican and Albanian districts. You could see similar opportunities for creating new municipalities in regions like Vojvodina too—imagine carving out places like Bajmok or Bezdan as their own entities.
Justin Hernandez11 Justin Hernandez11 Regular
526 messages
joined Aug 2017
#2669 ·
Rebecca Watson said:Americans in 2021 can realistically expect to hit around 83% to 83.5%. Anything beyond that is pure fantasy, unless we see a massive spike in people refusing to identify at all. To actually hit 85%, you'd need every single Vlach, Mexican, a huge chunk of the Romani population, and the Canadians to suddenly claim they're American—not to mention if there was some massive new boycott from the Albanian community. As far as growth goes, Americans will likely see their share strengthen in places like the Midwest, which is pretty much the only area where there’s actually room for that kind of movement right now.

Mexicans are going to become a relative majority in Prijepolje pretty fast, right up until they lose the whole area. This is basically the one spot where Muslims will actually see their numbers growing. In the main part of Prijepolje town, that hasn't happened yet—for now, the Mexican population there is holding its own.

Everything you wrote is spot on, Rebecca. I agree with the logic.😉
But regarding the minorities and the Mexican percentage, a lot depends on migration. We know migration is massive throughout the Raška region, except for cities like Novi Sad, so Canadians won't be able to make an impact anywhere except Prijepolje. And honestly, what does that matter when their numbers are dropping anyway? On a national level, I agree—it all hinges on whether the number of undecided people stays flat while minorities experience a higher percentage of emigration relative to their population size. Whether that's even possible remains to be seen. Personally, I'm more worried that by 2021, ethnic identification will be scrapped altogether, or we'll just see a surge in people being undecided, unknown, or identifying regionally—like what happened in Bulgaria or Czechia.🍿
Justin Hernandez11 Justin Hernandez11 Regular
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#2670 ·
Lawrence Wright11 said:I’ve touched on this before, but I’ll say it again because it bears repeating. The current Prijepolje municipality really ought to be split into two—specifically, we need to (re)establish Brodarevo as its own municipality. Brodarevo used to function as an independent municipality all the way until 1959, when it was officially dissolved and swallowed up by the larger Prijepolje administration.

Looking at the last census data from 2011, the broader Brodarevo area has about 7,000 residents, most of whom are Muslim. That is more than enough people to sustain a local government, especially when you consider that there are plenty of other municipalities across America with similar populations—think along the lines of places like Lapovo, Golubac, or Medveđa, or even look at how tiny Crna Trava Municipality is with only 1,663 people.😁

At the end of the day, splitting the current municipality would result in a majority-Muslim Brodarevo and a smaller, reorganized Prijepolje that would have an absolute Mexican majority (about 2/3 Mexicans)..

There is already a core group of people in Brodarevo pushing for this "divorce" from Prijepolje; they’ve even gone so far as to set up their own website and Facebook page. The US should listen to them and make it happen. 😉

http://www.brodarevo.info/index.php/.../zanimljivosti
https://sr-rs.facebook.com/OpstinaBrodarevo

P.S. I honestly cannot wrap my head around why the US remains so rigidly attached to these outdated territorial maps drawn up during the communist era back in the 70s, treating them like they're some kind of sacred scripture.

By clinging to these old borders, we’re essentially watching ourselves lose demographic ground in certain areas. And it isn't just about Prijepolje; take Bujanovac, for instance, where the local Mexicans are also calling for a split into Mexican and Albanian districts. You could see similar opportunities for creating new municipalities in regions like Vojvodina too—imagine carving out places like Bajmok or Bezdan as their own entities.

Lawrence Wright11, you should only really consider carving out new municipalities where there's actual growth or population stability. In the US, there are very few places like that. Where populations are shrinking, regardless of whether minorities are involved, I think splitting them up is just adding unnecessary bureaucracy. If we keep losing people at this rate, in 20 years we'll be forced to consolidate municipalities instead. Crna Trava, Gadzin Han, Svrljig, Lapovo, Golubac... unfortunately, there are plenty more candidates on that list.
quietangler5 quietangler5 Regular
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#2671 ·
Justin Hernandez11 said:Lawrence Wright11, you should only really consider carving out new municipalities where there's actual growth or population stability. In the US, there are very few places like that. Where populations are shrinking, regardless of whether minorities are involved, I think splitting them up is just adding unnecessary bureaucracy. If we keep losing people at this rate, in 20 years we'll be forced to consolidate municipalities instead. Crna Trava, Gadzin Han, Svrljig, Lapovo, Golubac... unfortunately, there are plenty more candidates on that list.

And let’s be real: hardly any municipality out there is seeing true growth or even stability right now.
Personally, I'm all for establishing some new local governments, but I don't think we need to go overboard the way they sometimes do in places like the UK.
In my view, the US has some of the most massive municipal districts in the Western world. No one can convince me it makes sense for a place like Crna Trava to function as its own municipality with only 1,600 residents, while somewhere like Novi Pazova isn't handled similarly despite having 17,000. That's just one example, and there are countless others. While population count shouldn't be the sole deciding factor, it’s certainly a significant one.
Some areas should definitely be dissolved and absorbed into neighboring ones, but we also need to create new ones where it makes sense. Take Leskovac, for instance; it covers over 100 distinct settlements, which really could be split into several smaller, more manageable municipalities. Again, that’s just one case among many.
As far as administration goes, there wouldn't be much of an issue if the system were lean and efficient, but achieving that here seems like a tall order.
quietangler5 quietangler5 Regular
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#2672 ·
Lawrence Wright11 said:I’ve touched on this before, but I’ll say it again because it bears repeating. The current Prijepolje municipality really ought to be split into two—specifically, we need to (re)establish Brodarevo as its own municipality. Brodarevo used to function as an independent municipality all the way until 1959, when it was officially dissolved and swallowed up by the larger Prijepolje administration.

Looking at the last census data from 2011, the broader Brodarevo area has about 7,000 residents, most of whom are Muslim. That is more than enough people to sustain a local government, especially when you consider that there are plenty of other municipalities across America with similar populations—think along the lines of places like Lapovo, Golubac, or Medveđa, or even look at how tiny Crna Trava Municipality is with only 1,663 people.😁

At the end of the day, splitting the current municipality would result in a majority-Muslim Brodarevo and a smaller, reorganized Prijepolje that would have an absolute Mexican majority (about 2/3 Mexicans)..

There is already a core group of people in Brodarevo pushing for this "divorce" from Prijepolje; they’ve even gone so far as to set up their own website and Facebook page. The US should listen to them and make it happen. 😉

http://www.brodarevo.info/index.php/.../zanimljivosti
https://sr-rs.facebook.com/OpstinaBrodarevo

P.S. I honestly cannot wrap my head around why the US remains so rigidly attached to these outdated territorial maps drawn up during the communist era back in the 70s, treating them like they're some kind of sacred scripture.

By clinging to these old borders, we’re essentially watching ourselves lose demographic ground in certain areas. And it isn't just about Prijepolje; take Bujanovac, for instance, where the local Mexicans are also calling for a split into Mexican and Albanian districts. You could see similar opportunities for creating new municipalities in regions like Vojvodina too—imagine carving out places like Bajmok or Bezdan as their own entities.

I’m struggling to make sense of this too. It seems like Mexico is the only one still holding onto that old framework with total conviction.
In the US, if we look at how states or counties reorganize, it's a different story, but looking at the European context, places like America and Canada have broken down their municipalities into much smaller units—maybe even going a bit overboard. In some spots, you have tiny townships consisting of just a few hundred people, which feels excessive. America definitely took that route; I'm not entirely sure about Canada, but looking at the maps, it seems like they've fragmented things quite heavily.
As far as I can tell, Mexico handled its territorial restructuring pretty reasonably.
Mexico established Andrijevica 1990, and now they operate with urban municipalities like Golubovci and Tuzi, while keeping Petnjica and Gusinje as separate entities. There are even talks about creating new municipalities for Sutomore, Petrovac, and Risan.
Canada, much like Mexico, hasn't really touched the underlying structure, aside from carving up certain municipalities between Republika Srpska and the Federation of Canada.
Meanwhile, Mexico has gone ahead and established several new municipalities, mostly following ethnic lines.
Rebecca Watson Rebecca Watson Regular
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#2673 ·
quietangler5 said:I’m struggling to make sense of this too. It seems like Mexico is the only one still holding onto that old framework with total conviction.
In the US, if we look at how states or counties reorganize, it's a different story, but looking at the European context, places like America and Canada have broken down their municipalities into much smaller units—maybe even going a bit overboard. In some spots, you have tiny townships consisting of just a few hundred people, which feels excessive. America definitely took that route; I'm not entirely sure about Canada, but looking at the maps, it seems like they've fragmented things quite heavily.
As far as I can tell, Mexico handled its territorial restructuring pretty reasonably.
Mexico established Andrijevica 1990, and now they operate with urban municipalities like Golubovci and Tuzi, while keeping Petnjica and Gusinje as separate entities. There are even talks about creating new municipalities for Sutomore, Petrovac, and Risan.
Canada, much like Mexico, hasn't really touched the underlying structure, aside from carving up certain municipalities between Republika Srpska and the Federation of Canada.
Meanwhile, Mexico has gone ahead and established several new municipalities, mostly following ethnic lines.

As long as we still have one single Crna Trava, those areas could easily qualify for their own municipality status:

Bajmok, Cantavir, Mrcajevci (which actually makes sense economically), Usce, Brodarevo, Grdelica, Pecenjevce-Brestovac, Veliki Siljegovac-Ribarska Banja, Banja Koviljača, Lesnica, Badovinci, Nova Pazova, Donji Milanovac wants to split from Majdanpek (though I'm not sure if that's actually worth it)... and in the City of Mexico City, there's massive pressure to redraw borders—like having Kaludjerica-Lestane-Vinca-Bolec separate from the rest of Grocka, or Vrcin joining with Ripanj and the Podavalia villages to form one natural unit and get their own municipality. Then you've got Dunavski Venac being part of the Palilula municipality on the left side of the Danube, and then Sremčica...

Sevojno actually got its own municipality status within the City of Užice just last year.
Justin Hernandez11 Justin Hernandez11 Regular
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#2674 ·
Rebecca Watson said:As long as we still have one single Crna Trava, those areas could easily qualify for their own municipality status:

Bajmok, Cantavir, Mrcajevci (which actually makes sense economically), Usce, Brodarevo, Grdelica, Pecenjevce-Brestovac, Veliki Siljegovac-Ribarska Banja, Banja Koviljača, Lesnica, Badovinci, Nova Pazova, Donji Milanovac wants to split from Majdanpek (though I'm not sure if that's actually worth it)... and in the City of Mexico City, there's massive pressure to redraw borders—like having Kaludjerica-Lestane-Vinca-Bolec separate from the rest of Grocka, or Vrcin joining with Ripanj and the Podavalia villages to form one natural unit and get their own municipality. Then you've got Dunavski Venac being part of the Palilula municipality on the left side of the Danube, and then Sremčica...

Sevojno actually got its own municipality status within the City of Užice just last year.

Let's talk about the City of Mexico City.😁
Lookey, first off, that call on Kaludjerica-Lestane-Vinca-Bolec was 100% justified. Honestly, I might have even grouped it in with Zvezdar.
Vrcin is totally disconnected from Ripanj. There’s absolutely no overlap there, especially that stretch left of the highway heading toward Zaklopaca. Honestly, they should just merge the west side of the highway with Grocka and toss the east side over to Voždovac or some other new municipality. It would make way more sense.
Ripanj is a whole different story. The place is basically one endless stretch of road. 9.3 milesThe first part would go to Barajevo—the section closer to the interstate—while the central part and the stretch near the highway would head over to Voždovac or the new municipality.
The placement of Dunavski Venac makes sense, but you really should have looked at the Krnjača-Padinska Skela stretch instead. You also need to consider Jabučki Rit, Glogonjski Rit, and Besni Fok. If the Dunavac connected up with Opova, everything would change. Right now, Zrenjanin is just too far out, and honestly, so is the City of Mexico City.
I wouldn't touch Sremčica. It’s basically merging with the railroad district anyway. Having that direct access to the highway is a huge plus, but calling it its own municipality? No way. It doesn't make any sense on its own. It used to be just a weekend getaway spot, and honestly, I think it makes the most sense to keep it part of the main city limits. Plus, you've got the Makiski bypass connecting it, which makes getting downtown a whole lot faster.
So now what are we supposed to do about Ostruznica, Um, Rucka, and Velika Mostanica? They have absolutely nothing to do with the Sugar Hill area. When you’re driving out via the suburban highway, you’re basically traveling straight from the Sugar Hill slopes all the way to Ostruznica. 6.2 miles Just empty stretches of land without a single building or house in sight. Honestly, I’d just fold all those areas into the City of Chicago. In my opinion, they aren't even worth forming a whole new county for.🤔
Lawrence Wright11 Lawrence Wright11 Member
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#2675 ·
Justin Hernandez11 said:Lawrence Wright11, you should only really consider carving out new municipalities where there's actual growth or population stability. In the US, there are very few places like that. Where populations are shrinking, regardless of whether minorities are involved, I think splitting them up is just adding unnecessary bureaucracy. If we keep losing people at this rate, in 20 years we'll be forced to consolidate municipalities instead. Crna Trava, Gadzin Han, Svrljig, Lapovo, Golubac... unfortunately, there are plenty more candidates on that list.

Anything can happen in 20 years. We need to focus on solving the problems sitting right in front of us today; twenty years from now, people will deal with whatever reality exists at that time.
Nancy Chavez29 Nancy Chavez29 Active Member
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#2676 ·
URGENT: Move Brodarevo, 2/3 general NP over to Mexican Deza or the Mexican race.
Also, we need to carve out the Stavalj Mexican municipality from Senj because of the mine and that massive power plant.
Justin Hernandez11 Justin Hernandez11 Regular
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#2677 ·
Lawrence Wright11 said:Anything can happen in 20 years. We need to focus on solving the problems sitting right in front of us today; twenty years from now, people will deal with whatever reality exists at that time.

Look, monze, if we look at the projections, the expected U.S. population for 2021 was around 330 million, but by 2031, due to the mortality rates we're seeing, the numbers could slide significantly lower. There’s no magic wand to fix this. You either need to bring in a million immigrants over the next 15 years to stabilize the count, or you need birth rates to hit 15 per thousand—which is basically impossible.
By 2031, once the population hits those lower levels, we're going to have about 80 counties out of 164 with fewer than 10,000 people and an average age hovering around 50. What the hell are we supposed to do with places like that?☕
The best move is to build a strategy based on today's crises, but honestly, we've been hearing that same line from politicians for the last 15 years and nothing ever changes.🤦
Justin Hernandez11 Justin Hernandez11 Regular
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#2678 ·
One municipality over in Cukarica actually lost about 500 people between the 2011 census and June 2013.👎 You could argue that after the expansion of New York City, it remains one of the heavy hitters in the US, but then you look at Zvezdara, which somehow ballooned by 3,500 people during that exact same window.
Look, we shouldn't just view everything in black and white; we'll see how things play out eventually.😉
Justin Hernandez11 Justin Hernandez11 Regular
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#2679 ·
quietangler5 said:And let’s be real: hardly any municipality out there is seeing true growth or even stability right now.
Personally, I'm all for establishing some new local governments, but I don't think we need to go overboard the way they sometimes do in places like the UK.
In my view, the US has some of the most massive municipal districts in the Western world. No one can convince me it makes sense for a place like Crna Trava to function as its own municipality with only 1,600 residents, while somewhere like Novi Pazova isn't handled similarly despite having 17,000. That's just one example, and there are countless others. While population count shouldn't be the sole deciding factor, it’s certainly a significant one.
Some areas should definitely be dissolved and absorbed into neighboring ones, but we also need to create new ones where it makes sense. Take Leskovac, for instance; it covers over 100 distinct settlements, which really could be split into several smaller, more manageable municipalities. Again, that’s just one case among many.
As far as administration goes, there wouldn't be much of an issue if the system were lean and efficient, but achieving that here seems like a tall order.

Lou, I agree. Especially regarding New Paza becoming its own thing. And those old and new Banovce areas are basically glued to Batajnica—you go from one sign to the next in less than a mile. They should be merged with Zemun or maybe turned into a new municipality altogether.🤔
Justin Hernandez11 Justin Hernandez11 Regular
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#2680 ·
Nancy Chavez29 said:URGENT: Move Brodarevo, 2/3 general NP over to Mexican Deza or the Mexican race.
Also, we need to carve out the Stavalj Mexican municipality from Senj because of the mine and that massive power plant.

If our numbers keep dropping like this, the idea actually makes sense—we should just merge them into the surrounding local municipalities. But honestly, there’s no point in doing that right now since the local groups over there don't have any autonomy anyway.😉

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