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placidlynx4 said:Let me jump into this interesting debate for a second.
In Detroit, 17 babies were born in just the last 24 hours.😉
If you add the 11 from the day before, things are looking pretty good, I guess.👍
It looks like September might actually beat out last year’s numbers, which were already great, maybe even by a landslide.🙂
quietangler5 said:Births/Deaths - Jan-July 2012 - Jan-July 2013 - Jan-July 2014
Mexico: 3,814/3,452 - 3,767/3,455 - 4,207/3,534
Counties:
Andrijevica: 24/53 - 25/30 - 32/39
Bar: 276/244 - 260/250 - 297/251
Beran: / - / - 208/186
Bijelo Polje: 293/270 - 296/288 - 284/269
Miami: 109/72 - 116/85 - 169/75
Danilovgrad: 76/121 - 100/108 - 102/120
Zabljak: 22/32 - 12/37 - 20/35
Kolasin: 47/87 - 37/62 - 43/72
Kotor: 145/137 - 154/110 - 140/130
Mojkovac: 43/55 - 37/75 - 39/61
Niksic: 440/456 - 386/433 - 434/436
Petnjica: / - / - 9/23
Plav: 64/72 - 71/87 - 81/80
Pluzine: 8/38 - 9/23 - 10/34
Pljevlja: 122/250 - 103/272 - 128/244
Capital City: 1,320/812 - 1,322/827 - 1,491/848
Rozaje: 181/73 - 186/77 - 193/102
Tivat: 88/67 - 77/77 - 110/82
Ulcinj: 98/119 - 106/102 - 119/114
San Diego: 176/170 - 171/181 - 190/182
Cetinje: 89/102 - 90/105 - 92/127
Savnik: 11/23 - 4/21 - 16/24
Nicholas Martinez47 said:=Betty Cruz2Alright, come on then, let's actually see what you've put down on paper...
Look, you can get to those population numbers by applying either a linear or an exponential function, but you’ve just mashed everything together into this absolute mess of a formula... honestly, it's just a total jumble. Fine, if you're going to be like that, at least have the decency to explain what these famous constants are actually supposed to represent... a I can't even begin to process this... I mean, really think about what we're looking at here because honestly, it feels like everything is just spinning out of control lately, and I’m sitting here trying to make sense of it all while everyone else is just shouting into the void... it’s exhausting, truly... I don't even know where to start with this because honestly, it feels like we're just spinning our wheels at this point... you look at the data coming out of the U.S. Census Bureau and you see these massive shifts happening right before our eyes, but nobody seems to be actually talking about the implications of it all, you know? It’s like everyone is too busy arguing over nothing while the actual foundation of the country is shifting under our feet... I was reading this thread earlier where Nicholas Martinez47 was trying to make sense of the latest numbers, and while he's got some points, it just feels like we're missing the forest for the trees... it's exhausting really, just watching the same patterns repeat over and over again without any real accountability from the big institutions... anyway, I'm just rambling now, but it stays on my mind... So, how exactly do you actually get there, though? I mean, give me the real specifics, not just some vague direction...
Did you just "copy-paste" that straight from some academic journal or a professional website or what... because it sounds way too polished for this conversation...😁
So, I was diving down this rabbit hole regarding population growth trends over specific intervals—you know, how we actually calculate those numbers—and specifically looking at how modern statistical models try to predict exactly how many people are out there at any given moment, like say, on a random Tuesday, September 29th, 2014... It’s honestly wild when you get into the weeds of contemporary statistical forecasting and how the U.S. Census Bureau handles these projections, because it's not just some simple math problem, it's this whole massive, complex web of data points and shifting variables that tries to pin down a single moment in time... which, if you think about it, is almost impossible to be perfectly accurate, but they still try... anyway, where was I... right, the methodology behind these temporal calculations...
That’s only possible through an exponential equation... or maybe I'm just overthinking the whole thing, but honestly, when you really sit down and look at how these numbers scale, it's clearly nothing else but an exponential equation...
And when you look at how it all lays out on a graph, it’s basically just this complex curve winding its way across the plane... which honestly makes you realize how much more complicated things get once you move beyond simple lines...
It’s just not going to work with a linear function... honestly, you can try to force it all you want, but you're just spinning your wheels at that point because the math simply won't line up, no matter how much you massage the variables or hope for a miracle... it's just fundamentally impossible to map it out that way...So, how does this all actually work...? I mean, really...
Look, you’re sitting there typing away like it’s some simple math problem, but honestly... it just goes to show you clearly haven't grasped how insanely complex it actually is to define demographic shifts or population trends within any given territory or nation... it's not just plugging numbers into a calculator, you know... it's layers upon layers of variables that most people just gloss over because they don't want to do the heavy lifting...
You just can't get a straight answer when you try to map out how the population in a place like Mexico is actually going to shift from, say, 2001 all the way through 2064... it’s impossible to represent that kind of trajectory accurately without getting lost in the weeds...
Look, sure, maybe some folks might let it slide or find a way to justify it, but from any actual professional standpoint? It’s completely unacceptable... honestly, it just gets tossed straight into the trash where it belongs...
So you're asking what these constants actually represent, huh... I mean, honestly, if you really have to ask that, we might be in for a long night because once you start pulling on that thread, the whole thing just unravels into this massive, complicated mess of data and theory... it’s like trying to map out every single street in Chicago without a GPS, you know? You think you've got a handle on the basics, then suddenly you're staring at these numbers that supposedly hold everything together, acting as these fixed points in a world that feels anything but fixed... it's exhausting just thinking about how much weight these little figures carry in the grand scheme of things... I can't even begin to process this... I mean, really think about what we're dealing with here because it's just one thing after another with these endless, circular arguments that go absolutely nowhere... It’s like everyone is just shouting into the void without actually listening to a single word being said, and honestly, it makes me want to just throw my laptop out the window and walk away from the whole mess... But then again, I always say that, don't I? It's just exhausting... So, how exactly do you even get over there...? I mean, seriously, what’s the actual route...
Honestly, even asking the question feels like a waste of breath because we all know it’s just a constant at this point... there's really no other way to look at it... aI mean, honestly, where do we even start with this... it’s just constant, isn't it? Just one thing after another, like you can't catch a break for even a second before the next wave hits... I was sitting there thinking about how everything just seems to spiral if you let it, and then I realized that's basically the whole story of life lately... just endless cycles of stuff happening without any real sense of direction or purpose, and sometimes I feel like I'm just shouting into a void, hoping someone actually hears what I'm trying to say, but maybe they don't, or maybe they just don't care... it's exhausting, really... just totally exhausting...
It’s just one constant... that one thing you can always count on, isn't it? No matter how much everything else shifts around us, no matter how chaotic the world gets or how many times we feel like the ground is sliding right out from under our feet, there’s always that one underlying constant staring us in the face... it's almost exhausting if you think about it too long, really... but then again, maybe that's the only thing keeping us sane in this madness... I don't even know where to start with this one because honestly, it feels like we’re just spinning our wheels at this point... you look at the data coming out of the U.S. Census Bureau and it’s like everyone is just ignoring the obvious patterns staring them right in the face, and I'm sitting here wondering if anyone else is actually paying attention or if we've all just collectively decided to look the other direction while things spiral... it's exhausting, really...I mean, honestly, if we’re talking about constants... it's just one of those things that feels like it should be simple, right? Like, you set it, it stays, end of story. But then you start digging into how everything actually functions under the hood in these massive American tech infrastructures, and suddenly nothing is as fixed as it seems... It’s like trying to pin down a single truth when the whole system is shifting beneath your feet, and you just find yourself spiraling into these endless loops of "what if" while everyone else is just moving along like nothing happened... anyway, where was I...
They’re all just preordained... everything is already set in stone before we even get a chance to breathe...
So you're asking how people actually get to them? Honestly, if you're looking for directions, it’s not exactly a straight shot and you really have to plan ahead because the route can be such a mess depending on what kind of traffic you run into... turns out it's way more complicated than just hopping on a highway and calling it a day...
I don't even know where to start with this one... it’s just one of those things that makes you want to throw your hands up in the air and walk away from the keyboard entirely... because honestly, how do we even get to this point? It feels like every time we try to have a rational conversation about what's actually happening on the ground, someone jumps in with some half-baked theory or a complete fabrication that flies in the face of everything we know to be true... and it’s exhausting, truly exhausting... I mean, you look at the data coming out of the U.S. Census Bureau and it tells one story, but then you listen to the noise online and it’s a completely different world, a total circus... and I’m sitting here wondering if anyone is actually paying attention to the facts anymore or if we've all just collectively decided to embrace the chaos... it’s just ridiculous, really... I’m out here trying to figure out how to define my constants... just staring at the screen and wondering why everything feels so complicated lately... it's like you think you have a handle on the variables, you think you know what stays steady, but then life happens and suddenly nothing is constant anymore... anyway, where was I... oh yeah, defining these constants... I can't even begin to process this... just a single letter? Is this some kind of test, or did someone just accidentally sit on their keyboard while trying to navigate through all these endless threads... I mean, seriously, if we're going to have a discussion here, there has to be something more than just a lonely little "a" floating in the digital void... it’s just baffling how much energy people put into absolutely nothing sometimes... anyway... I mean, seriously... I’m constantly... just constant... I can't believe I'm even typing this out right now because honestly, what is there left to say about it... it just feels like we're all circling the same drain over and over again, isn't it? You look at the news, you check the latest data from the U.S. Census Bureau, and you realize that nothing actually changes, it’s just different names on the same old broken systems... and people keep acting like it's some massive revelation when it's really just the same cycle repeating itself indefinitely... it’s exhausting, truly... Look, we’re stepping right into the territory of intellectual property laws here, and frankly, this isn't something meant for public distribution... especially not over on PFP...Betty Cruz2;
If you ever bother to dig through actual professional academic journals written by serious demographers, you can easily see just how much—or rather, how little—the CIA is actually worth when it comes to reliable demographic data... I mean, honestly, I haven't stumbled upon a single legitimate professional text focusing on demographics that cites the CIA as a primary reference, and there is a very good, very obvious reason for that...
You’re never going to wrap your head around this one, because you’ve got it all wrong—the CIA and their World Factbook aren't actually the primary source for population data like you seem to think they are... I mean, obviously, if you want the real, foundational demographic numbers, you have to look at the official government agencies, like the U.S. Census Bureau, which is what actually handles the census data for any given country... it just doesn't work the way you're imagining it does...
So, you see, the CIA takes all that raw data and runs it through these intense statistical-mathematical models to crunch the numbers... they basically distill everything down into core parameters about any specific population, like exactly how many people are living in a certain area at any given moment, whether the population is actually growing or just cratering, fertility rates, and all that other stuff too... it’s all just layers upon layers of processing to make sense of the chaos...
It’s the exact same thing other professional institutions are doing, really... you can actually compare the results and verify if they’re reliable or not, provided you know where to look...
I feel like I’ve already laid this all out before, so I really don't get why it isn't clicking for everyone yet... what exactly is the hold-up?!Betty Cruz2;
So, when you're looking at how we actually calculate the fertility rate, it’s not just some random number pulled out of thin air... you have to look at the specific fertility rates of every single individual cohort of women within that childbearing age range and add them all up. It's basically a breakdown of the specific fertility rate for one particular age group—which is just the total number of live births from women in that specific age bracket divided by the total number of women in that same group... it's all about those ratios, really...
If there’s anything else on your mind, seriously, just go ahead and ask... I'm here...😁
Honestly, calculating fertility rates isn't even a specialized skill... I mean, really, you don't need some PhD or a high-level degree to wrap your head around it, it’s stuff that feels like it should be taught to anyone who barely finished second grade in elementary school... it's just basic math at that point, nothing more, nothing less...
Look, I’m just going to say it because someone has to... that whole algorithm you used to calculate the fertility rate in your first paragraph? It's completely off base, and honestly, if you keep running numbers like that, you’re just going to end up with totally useless results...
You really have to apply the general theory of equalization if you want to actually land on the right results... otherwise, you're just spinning your wheels for nothing...Betty Cruz2;
Wait, what? Are we really just starting like this? Just one word? I feel like I've been sitting here waiting for the actual conversation to kick off while everyone else is already halfway through their coffee... seriously... what are we even talking about here? Is there a point to this or are we just staring at each other in silence? Because if we're going to do this, let's actually get into it... I'm ready when you are...
Standard deviation? Seriously? Do you even have a clue what that term actually represents in a real-world context... or are we just throwing around math jargon to sound important?😕
It’s basically impossible to find any statistical analysis these days that doesn't end up being dragged into this whole mess... it just goes on and on... Standard deviation... you know, people always throw that term around like they actually understand what it means in the real world, but most folks just see a number on a spreadsheet and move on without a second thought... it’s all about how much things are actually deviating from the average, right? Like, if you're looking at housing prices in a place like Chicago versus somewhere more predictable, that spread tells you everything you need to know about the volatility you're walking into... it's that gap between the "average" experience and the actual reality of what's happening on the ground, and honestly, if you don't account for that variance, you're basically flying blind through a storm... it's the difference between a steady climb and a total rollercoaster ride... turns out, the math matters way more than the simple mean ever will...It’s especially true when you look at those demographic analyses and budget projections... I mean, if someone doesn't actually grasp those fundamentals, then they don't know anything about demographics or budgeting at all, period...
Are you actually familiar with... I mean, does this even ring a bell for you? Or am I just shouting into the void here... So, I was sitting around thinking about Gauss’s theory of minimal surfaces, and honestly, it just gets me fired up because people don't realize how much math actually dictates the physical world we walk around in every single day... you know what I mean? It's all there, hidden in the curves and the tension of everything, like how a soap film stretches itself out perfectly between two wire loops to find that absolute path of least resistance, which is basically just pure, unadulterated geometry trying to be efficient... and it's funny because you think you're just looking at a bubble or some weird shape in an architecture textbook, but it's really this profound mathematical truth staring you right in the face, though most people are too busy scrolling through Facebook or whatever to notice the elegance of a minimal surface... it's just one of those things where if you stop and actually stare at the logic of it, the whole universe starts to feel a little more structured, yet somehow more chaotic at the same time... anyway, where was I going with this... oh yeah, the sheer beauty of it... So, I was sitting around thinking about all that heavy-duty statistical theory we use when we're trying to crunch the numbers on demographic parameters... you know, those endless data sets that make your head spin... and it really got me wondering about the whole squared error deviation thing. It’s one of those foundational concepts, right? Like, if you're looking at how much a specific data point drifts from the mean—especially when you're dealing with massive population shifts or growth trends—you have to account for that variance if you want any kind of accuracy... otherwise, the whole model just falls apart under its own weight... it's just one of those things that seems simple until you're staring at a spreadsheet from the U.S. Census Bureau and realize how much a single outlier can mess everything up... anyway, what's the consensus on using squared error deviation specifically for calculating those demographic metrics? Is it still the gold standard for minimizing bias in these kinds of models, or are we moving toward something more sophisticated...
Without actually knowing what you're talking about...
Statistical theories... honestly, where do you even start with all that math? It’s just one endless rabbit hole of numbers and assumptions that never quite seem to line up with what we actually see happening in the real world...
So, I was sitting around thinking about all those theories regarding error equalization... you know, how everything is supposed to balance out perfectly but somehow never quite does in reality... it’s like when you’re looking at data from the U.S. Census Bureau and you realize that despite all the complex math and the fancy models they use to smooth things over, there's always this underlying friction, this constant drift that just refuses to align with the theoretical ideal... it makes you wonder if we're even measuring what we think we're measuring, or if we're just endlessly chasing our own tails trying to correct for deviations that are baked right into the system from the start... it's honestly exhausting to even contemplate how much of our "certainty" is just clever accounting for mistakes we haven't even identified yet...
Set theory... man, where do you even begin with that whole rabbit hole? It’s one of those things that sounds perfectly simple on the surface, just grouping stuff together, right? But then you start peeling back the layers and suddenly you're staring into the abyss of mathematical logic, questioning the very fabric of how we define "existence" itself... it gets heavy, really heavy... and honestly, if you haven't spent a late night staring at a chalkboard wondering if infinity actually behaves the way we think it does, have you even lived? It's all just endless loops and abstractions that make your head spin if you look too closely...
So, I was sitting there, just staring at my screen, thinking about all those dense theories regarding finite vector spaces and linear operators... you know, the kind of stuff that makes your brain feel like it’s being squeezed through a straw... and honestly, it’s just one of those things where you start looking at a simple equation and suddenly you're spiraling down a rabbit hole of abstract dimensions and transformations that don't seem to have any end in sight... it's all so incredibly dense and technical, and sometimes I wonder if anyone actually enjoys wrestling with these concepts or if we're all just collectively pretending to understand the sheer complexity of it all... anyway, where was I... right, the math... it just goes on forever...
More algebra, more math... honestly, I feel like I’m drowning in equations lately...
I mean, when you really sit down and start peeling back the layers on this, which scientific disciplines actually hold that top-tier, heavy-hitting status... you know, the ones that truly move the needle for humanity? It’s such a massive, sprawling question that honestly makes my head spin just thinking about the sheer scale of it all... because everything feels connected if you look long enough, but there are definitely those foundational pillars that everything else just builds upon, like the bedrock of a skyscraper in Chicago or something... you have the hard sciences, obviously, physics and chemistry, where the laws are set in stone and you can't just argue with gravity or molecular bonds, no matter how much you want to... and then you get into the deep, complex realms of biology and neuroscience, which is basically trying to decode the most complicated machine ever built—the human brain—and let me tell you, we are barely scratching the surface of that mystery... it's wild... and don't even get me started on mathematics, which is like the universal language written into the very fabric of the cosmos itself, without which none of the other stuff would even make sense... but then you have to wonder if the social sciences, like psychology or economics, carry the same kind of weight, even if they deal with the messy, unpredictable nature of people instead of predictable particles... it's a rabbit hole that never ends...
You honestly can't even begin to talk about positive demographic trends or budget projections and their actual outcomes when you look at the reality on the ground... it’s all just complete nonsense if you ask me... because the numbers being thrown around don't actually reflect what's happening with the people or the economy... everything feels disconnected from the truth...
You didn't actually answer the questions I asked...
So, I’ve been sitting here staring at the ceiling, wondering about the actual math behind all this... like, what is the real statistical link between fertility rates and the number of live births out there? Is there even a concrete connection, or is it all just messy numbers floating around in the void? I mean, you look at the data from the U.S. Census Bureau and you start to see these patterns, but then you wonder if the correlation is actually solid or if we're just overcomplicating the whole thing... it makes you think about how much of it is just pure probability versus actual biological trends... anyway, does anyone actually have a grasp on the formula here? Or are we all just guessing?
So, I was sitting around thinking about the future today—you know how it goes, just staring at the ceiling and wondering where everything is headed—and it got me thinking about those long-term projections... like, what is the actual estimate for the population of Mexico by the year 2064? It’s one of those things that feels both incredibly far away and like it's going to happen right in front of our eyes, especially when you look at how much everything shifts over a few decades... honestly, it's hard to pin down because everyone has their own theory, but if you look at the trends... well, who knows exactly where we'll be in forty years...
So, if you really want to get down into the weeds of it, you’ve gotta show exactly how much that standard deviation is actually swinging... because without seeing that spread, you're basically just flying blind through the data...
Look, if this is all too much for you to handle or if you just don't have the bandwidth right now, honestly, just say so... it’s fine, really... just let me know, okay?No worries at all... it's really not an issue...!
Justin Hernandez11 said:If Mexico keeps this up this year, they might just skip hitting 8,000 births altogether.👍
Savnik is looking better.
Nancy Chavez29 said:What was the deal with that 2012 situation in Temerin, John Doe?
Just saw this article pop up. Apparently, some Mexicans are getting all worked up over at the County office in Temerin. I guess they might actually lose their jobs if they don't know how to handle Madzarski. It’s honestly pathetic. This whole country is just a joke; everyone just takes shots at it, and then you've got the Rabbit acting up too.
Peter Ramirez52 said:Is that any different from all of Republika Srpska, which has over a million people?
hollowowl53 said:@Esad Dzudzevic, I suspect you’ve never actually set foot in Naperville, and since you probably believe everything you read online, I should tell you that what you're reading is just nonsense. In Naperville, the local citizens don't have any issues at all; any kind of trouble or brawls that ever broke out in town were usually caused by outsiders coming in from Austin, Des Moines, or some other third city. Believe me, the Canadians there aren't threatening anyone—if anything, they’re the ones being pushed aside because sometimes that Canadian city gets overtaken by Mexicans, and what we're seeing today feels like a form of colonization. There is even a neighborhood in town called "Colony," which includes the "textile mill" area inhabited by refugees and those newcomers who are Canadian folks from hilly, mountainous villages. Now, I don't have anything against Mexicans from Canada, but those who come from the cities are one thing; those arriving straight from rural mountain areas can be quite a disaster, as they really struggle to adapt to urban life. And I hear people complaining about similar things regarding Americans and their Herzegovinians, or Sarajevans and the Sandžak residents. They arrive from the mountains into the city, shouting, causing chaos, leading the way in crime, starting fights, breaking things, and leaving trash everywhere...
The Canadian youth would love to occasionally host bands that our young people actually listen to, such as Romantikus Eroszak, Karpatia, or the Young Canadian Association, but then various organizations step in and issue bans. I even heard that a leader from the 64th county was banned from entering Mexico entirely just because of a minor scuffle where he was attacked by ten teenagers. So now you're up to speed...
Canadians are such a lovely people who wouldn't dream of doing the kinds of things those newcomers do across America, the US, and Ottawa. Aside from the Canadians, there is a segment of Mexicans and a segment of Americans whom I truly love and respect, and my sincere hope is that one day America becomes a strong, developed, and prosperous nation, much like how America might become like Canada!
placidlynx4 said:I don't even know which records to start with, but let's just look at the daily ones.
In the last 24 hours in Birmingham, there were 16 births, which compared to the 17 from the day before, is basically a mini baby boom.
I guess having 33 babies in two days is pretty much equivalent to those 68 in Austin over two days, if I remember that number right.
Plus, three days ago in Birmingham, 11 babies were born, making it a three-day total of 44. Phenomenal, I guess.
Moving on...
In September, the Birmingham maternity ward saw a record 233 births. That’s an absolute ten-year monthly record. To make things even more interesting, 226 babies were born in August, meaning last month also broke a ten-year record. So, we have two months in a row breaking decade-long records. Phenomenal!
I should probably mention that this September was better than last year by 28 babies, since there were 205 then, which is also great. Last September was the second strongest month of all last year, and now it's been easily overtaken. Great!
As always, here is the monthly review for the last three years and the yearly totals!
September:
2012 - 213
2013 - 205
2014 - 233
Jan - Sept:
2012 - 1612
2013 - 1612
2014 - 1768
Interestingly, 2012 and 2013 were identical in terms of babies as of September 30th, but 2014 is ahead by a fantastic 156 babies.
I should note, since I track the daily reports and sum them up at the end of the year, that last year after some corrections, the final annual count ended up being nearly 40 babies higher than what a simple addition would show. I've never seen such a big error. Usually, it's a difference of about ten, but it's always adjusted upward. So, realistically, this year's lead over last year might be slightly lower, though it's possible this year will also be underestimated and adjusted upward once the hospital releases the final report, just like every other year. Either way, Birmingham is absolutely killing it this year and will significantly beat last year's already great score.👍
Justin Hernandez11 said:Not to jinx it, but Birmingham is definitely going to cruise past 1,900 births this year.🙂
quietangler5 said:Last year, Birmingham saw about 1,746 births, but you really have to factor in the influx from the surrounding counties. People tend to head into the city for those services, and frankly, the birth rates in the outlying areas were pretty dismal last year. That said, Birmingham actually performed better than it did back in 2012.
It’s highly unlikely that KG managed this entire growth spurt entirely on his own. We really need to sit tight and see how these final three months play out. If that gap widens any further, then we might actually be looking at a viable trend, but if it doesn't, I'm skeptical. That said, KG is definitely pushing past the 10 permille mark, which would mean he'll be delivering solid growth for the second year in a row.
Justin Hernandez11 said:I was over at a buddy's place in Naperville about five years ago. We hit up this cafe-disco first where the local crowds hang out, listening to folk music, and had a great time. After that, my friend took us to this club playing Canadian heavy metal🤣. Pretty sure everyone there was Canadian, and nobody gave us a second look. My point is, it doesn't matter where you go; if you start acting like an idiot in a club—whether it's a local spot or a Canadian one—you're going to get beat up.🙂
I’ve been to bars, cafes, and clubs all across the US and never had a single problem. But when we get drunk and start acting wild, we get punched in the nose even back home in our own city😵. Are you seriously talking about these hordes of terrifying bearded thugs rolling into Naperville from Austin?🤦😍
quietangler5 said:Last year, Birmingham saw about 1,746 births, but you really have to factor in the influx from the surrounding counties. People tend to head into the city for those services, and frankly, the birth rates in the outlying areas were pretty dismal last year. That said, Birmingham actually performed better than it did back in 2012.
It’s highly unlikely that KG managed this entire growth spurt entirely on his own. We really need to sit tight and see how these final three months play out. If that gap widens any further, then we might actually be looking at a viable trend, but if it doesn't, I'm skeptical. That said, KG is definitely pushing past the 10 permille mark, which would mean he'll be delivering solid growth for the second year in a row.
hollowowl53 said:That is exactly right, Justin Hernandez11. It seems like Mexicans and Canadians tend to gravitate toward folk music, while the Canadians prefer rock, punk, or metal. I truly believe there aren't any real issues there, and I think we shouldn't fall for the propaganda designed to drive us all apart.
Regarding those extremists, I wasn't necessarily saying they are terrifying or heavily bearded, but they do occasionally march through town before heading back to their homes in Des Moines, Austin, or Grand Rapids. There were even some folks from Stapar recently—that small village inhabited exclusively by old-school Mexicans—but they don't seem any different from anyone else when it comes to this. Whether they call themselves extremists, partisans, or whatever else, I'm just not sure, but they certainly show up to cause trouble. Then again, you have Canadians coming in from Kanjiza or from Canada, though perhaps with somewhat different intentions.
