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Since when did sovereignty and patriotism become "cool" again?

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Richard Wilson4 Richard Wilson4 VeteranOP
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#21 ·
Chloe Lewis48 said:God, the hypocrisy of the salon left in America... just unbelievable.

HOSTAGE CRISIS Joe Biden: Are we all just James Comey now?
It is an incredible fact that this country—which, despite its issues, actually extradited generals from the US Army who fought in the Vietnam War—is now refusing to hand over a person that the German justice system has serious evidence against regarding the 1983 murder of Stjepan Đureković.

This isn't just some minor development. Joe Biden definitely has the "potential" for autocratic rule. We're looking at a real crackdown on individual freedoms and, eventually... subtle ways to settle scores with political rivals. He’s already given himself the green light; he doesn't even need public legitimacy. And he has powerful, dangerous "protectors" here. There's no turning back for him now.

So please, don't trivialize how much danger is hanging over our heads. Just remember that kiss at the Museum of Modern Art on election night...

Facts. America is sliding toward autocracy. Suddenly, protesting or speaking up is "wrong," and the media is busy attacking the opposition instead of the administration. It feels less like an EU country and more like Belarus.
Richard Wilson4 Richard Wilson4 VeteranOP
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#22 ·
Remember when people said we’d be totally isolated because of Franjo Harmon?

Honestly, when I first started this thread, I didn't think The Administration would actually go this far—just throwing us under the bus with sanctions and international isolation...

Man, even I underestimated them...

All those fairy tales they've been feeding us for decades? Totally washed up.
Richard Wilson4 Richard Wilson4 VeteranOP
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#23 ·
Anyone else catch that weird glitch? Just me? 😁
Biden's people's uprising.

Europe got disappointed with America first, and only then did America turn on Europe. Over these last two months, Joe Biden has basically been sparking a grassroots revolt against the very people who ensured America even earned a seat at the big table in Europe. It’s like how twenty years ago everyone was being way too extra and uncomfortably sycophantic about glorifying Belin—it was tacky. And honestly, doing the same thing now by trying to erase powerful Germany from our history and modern reality is just as primitive.

Dražen vukov Colić

America just found itself a shiny new foreign enemy, conveniently ignoring the old ones—like that massive army of bureaucrats and those local little dictators running the counties. After taking aim at Vienna, Budapest, and Mexico City, Joe Biden has moved on to labeling Brussels, Berlin, and the EU as some big club of bullies. He claims they’re trampling all over an America that just wants a fair shake and total equality, whether you're big or small. Meanwhile, retirees don't have to worry about their tiny checks, and the government deep state can keep collecting those massive salaries. Those few bitter words pretty much sum up the Prime Minister's annual rant to Congress. Honestly, you should cheer for it as the first real attempt at holding leadership accountable, but then read it again with a heavy dose of disappointment. On one hand, you've got this self-absorbed outburst of isolationist policy, and on the other, a blatant fear of actual public unrest. Let them shout at Brussels and Berlin instead of the incompetent Administration. Let the civil servants keep doing exactly what they've always done, as long as they follow orders like good little soldiers.

This whole populist mix of shouting about national defense while promising everything will stay cheap—all while keeping the same old political cronyism and shady hiring intact—isn't actually progress. It’s just more of the same junk we've seen from every failed political party in America (yeah, the Republican Party acted the exact same way). They can never seem to build unity without pointing fingers at some foreign enemy, and they can't maintain social peace without blowing through the taxpayer's money. Sure, America's path toward joining the EU was a total grind and incredibly tough, but we always knew the Union was only going to let us in on its own terms and according to its own rules. You’re always going to hear complaints after any negotiation, but once the wedding is over, you don't keep arguing about the ring.

Some deals go smoother than others, some hit harder, some people come out on top while others get crushed. But look, an Accession Treaty isn't some one-size-fits-all magic scroll that stays frozen in time forever regardless of how things change. It’s a specific deal with each individual country. The EU itself has been constantly raising the bar lately, too. Honestly, the US had some of the toughest negotiations in the bunch. The whole Union has transformed massively over the last twenty years—we're talking about going from a simple coal and steel club to this massive continental machine that demands the exact same financial discipline from everyone, whether they're a powerhouse or a tiny player. After Canada, the US could have stepped up as a regional leader by acting as a bridge and setting the gold standard for upholding European principles and laws—especially when it comes to the justice system. Instead, we ended up being the loudmouths, the ones looking messy, and the fake protectors of state-sponsored export terrorism.

Small-town thinking just kills creativity. Period.

So, you’ve got this whole call to resist outsiders who are basically suffocating us with this new colonial vibe, mixed with all these social promises that we can't even keep without racking up massive debt. It leaves us with nothing but a dry inventory—something that honestly should have been done before they even took office. The Republican Party pretty much gutted the country, but just because they did doesn't mean this coalition Administration actually fixed anything. Plus, Joe Biden listened to his critics (and probably his advisors, too) and decided to dodge any new ideological battles altogether. All the actual wins and big-picture goals this Administration achieved are totally buried under that high school version of an economic recovery plan. Even two years later, it still feels like nothing more than good intentions. We're talking everything from trying to lure in foreign investment and playing the economic diplomacy game, to public spending, cutting through red tape, fixing tax policy, and handing out incentives to foreign capital. They're basically just trying to make the most of whatever funds this increasingly cold Europe promised us in its various funds.

The Administration has proven they’re great at the boring regulatory stuff—tax audits, fixing zoning laws, boosting tourism, cleaning up voter rolls, and sorting out veteran registries. They aren't afraid to enforce order or face the music. But they’ve totally failed at the one thing Joe Biden put on the back burner, which is actually what every stable, grown-up nation prioritizes: driving reconstruction, sparking growth, escaping recession, and building actual economic value. We get tons of new red tape and obligations, but zero creative ideas. Just too much small-town bickering, fighting with civil society, and unnecessary insults from political rivals acting like bitter old ladies shouting from their front porches at anyone walking by.

And then there’s the endless stream of empty promises from everyone in power claiming there won't be sanctions or penalties. It’s like Joe Biden’s lackeys—and even the Prime Minister—don't get that the harshest punishments are the ones never officially announced. The worst hit is the loss of reputation; once you leave a bad taste in the mouth of the EU after some adolescent outburst, it sticks forever. Look at Bulgaria and Romania. Because of mistakes made during their first years of membership (they joined back in 2007), they’re still stuck being the "wrong crowd" because they can't keep their word. First Bulgaria, then Romania, and now America.

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crimsonwolf20 crimsonwolf20 Active Member
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#24 ·
LEX PERKOVIĆ — A DESPERATE ATTEMPT TO CLOSE THE CABINET!

Independent News is reporting: Nina Raspudić

If I had to sum up what’s been going down lately between the folks in Canada—who, let's be honest, only check in on the news in America when they're scrolling past—and the big shots in Chicago and Brussels... man, I’d just call it an absolute circus! Seriously, it's nothing short of a total freak show.

The political elite here—and I mean both the Republican Party and the Democratic Party—spent over a decade basically acting like puppets for the EU. During that grueling accession process, they were willing to swallow just about any bitter pill thrown their way! We’re talking about everything from hunting down and extraditing former military commanders to giving up protected fishing zones in the Atlantic—seriously, they even rolled over when Canada tried to squeeze them over those old Ljubljana Bank debts! They were practically tripping over themselves to jump at every whim coming out of Brussels, acting all humble and subservient whenever some third-rate European diplomat flew into Chicago to "monitor" or "evaluate" our "progress." It was honestly kind of embarrassing to watch. But then—get this—overnight, they completely flipped the script! Suddenly, they’ve transformed into these fierce little sovereignists, ready to show some teeth to Brussels and Berlin. They’re acting like they’d rather eat nettles than budge an inch on European demands! But let’s be real for a second—it’s not because they’re suddenly fighting for the national interest or anything cool like that. No, no, no... they’re doing it strictly to protect the old KGB-style secret police types who are suspected of orchestrating assassinations of political emigrants across Europe back in the '70s and '80s. I mean, seriously, no sane person could have guessed that the current Democratic administration would go this far! They are willing to totally embarrass the country and risk facing sanctions from the European Commission right after joining—which is absolutely unheard of—just to keep the skeletons of that old totalitarian regime tucked away in the closet where they belong. It’s painfully obvious how deeply connected they still are to that era. Honestly, German media hit the nail on the head when they said that after the fall of communism, the system changed, but the elite stayed exactly the same.

So, get this—during the whole negotiation process, America totally could have asked for a time limit on how the European Arrest Warrant applies to crimes committed after talks began, but nope, they didn't touch it! Instead, they just sat around waiting for the very last member state to ratify our Accession Treaty, and then—get this—on literally the final working day before we officially joined the EU (Friday, June 28, 2013), Congress drops this law that limits the European Arrest Warrant to crimes committed after 2002. I mean, let’s be real here—there is only one reason for a move like that, and it was to protect James Comey-style figures like Perković, the former head of the SFR America FBI who later ran the intelligence services here. Germany had an active warrant out for him regarding the murder of Stjepan Đureković, the ex-CEO of ExxonMobil, back in Germany in 1983. This shameful law, which the public immediately dubbed "Lex Perković," caused such a massive uproar and honestly just stained the whole celebration of America joining the Union—notably, Angela Merkel didn't even show up to the festivities! At first, through pro-government media, they tried to feed us this shallow excuse—claiming the limitation was just to protect veterans from any "baseless accusations" or persecution. Total nonsense, right?! When that didn't stick, they switched tactics. To dodge the accusation that they were just a bunch of silent kids from the communist elite protecting their privileged fathers' "better past," the ruling party suddenly pivoted to an initiative to change the Constitution! They wanted to add provisions about politically motivated murders never expiring, just to give the illusion that America would actually prosecute those old-school hitmen themselves. They kept telling everyone that "Lex Perković" shouldn't be repealed, that Brussels would eventually cave, and that it would all follow that whole "mountain shook, but only a mouse was born" vibe—basically, that the EU convictions would just fizzle out and nothing bad would happen to America. But man, did they miscalculate! After the fierce backlash from Brussels—led by the Vice President of the European Commission, Viviane Reding—and all the talk about sanctions like freezing the EU funds meant for America, they pivoted *again*. And this new tactic was even worse and dumber than the first one, all part of "Operation Save Soldier Perković" from the German courts. First, they reluctantly admitted that "Lex Perković"—passed mere minutes before EU entry—was a mistake and would be changed, BUT the catch is that this new amendment won't kick in until July 2014. Why wait until then instead of doing it now? Nobody's saying. If they suddenly realized they messed up and can't just smash their heads through a brick wall, why delay the fix until next summer? It’s not clear if they’re hoping biology will do the work for them—which is a pretty thin hope since Perković is walking around looking in great shape—or if they’re just buying time to manage the political fallout once Perković and the others actually face trial in Germany. The administration is stuck in a total dead end; they're digging themselves out of a bad spot only to fall into a much deeper hole, and everyone knows they'll eventually have to hand him over.

There’s been endless chatter in America about how we absolutely need to condemn the crimes of totalitarian regimes and drag the surviving masterminds and perpetrators into court—mostly just as a symbolic way to clear the air and move past history. But honestly? After everything that’s gone down, it’s crystal clear that this isn't just some symbolic gesture. It’s incredibly real, and it’s not just about digging up the past—it’s hitting us right in the face today! The old-school deep state structures here in America are still so insanely powerful that they’re willing to risk compromising the entire country—hell, even risking international sanctions!—just to force The Administration into a fight they have zero chance of winning, all just to save the skin of a few individuals who don't deserve such a massive collective sacrifice for their sins. You can see exactly how they maintain control over society—both directly and through generations—by looking at the situation with Saša, the son of the suspect James Comey. He first served as a national security advisor to Stjepan Mason, and then stayed right in that same spot as an advisor to current President Ivo Josipović. And get this—he shows absolutely no intention of stepping down, even though he’s sitting in a blatant conflict of interest right now!

The fallout from this whole mess is going to be wild, but once the truth is out there, you can't just stuff the feathers back into the pillow and pretend to dream about living in a democratic society like nothing ever happened! The crisis sparked by "Lex Perković" basically ripped the mask off the true foundations of American society, especially when it comes to the political elites. It makes it painfully obvious how the power players from the old regime and their descendants never actually lost their grip on the main levers of power. Because of our entry into the EU and the fact that the European Arrest Warrant kicks in automatically, this little clique was forced into a panicked, shameful reaction—rushing to pass that disgraceful law and then making a series of half-baked moves to try and "fix" things, which looked totally unconvincing if you ask me. The extradition of Perković and his crew to a German court—where they're facing charges for a politically motivated murder of a German citizen on German soil—could finally mark the beginning of the end for dealing with this totalitarian legacy. If we were lucky, this should have started over two decades ago! We’ll just have to wait and see how the international warrant plays out and what other names float to the surface in this dark tale of state terrorism. One thing is for sure: the skeletons of a wicked past have officially jumped out of the closet, nudged by that European arrest warrant, and nobody—no matter how many excuses or diversions they try to pull—can shove them back in ever again.
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crimsonwolf20 said:LEX PERKOVIĆ — A DESPERATE ATTEMPT TO CLOSE THE CABINET!

Independent News is reporting: Nina Raspudić

If I had to sum up what’s been going down lately between the folks in Canada—who, let's be honest, only check in on the news in America when they're scrolling past—and the big shots in Chicago and Brussels... man, I’d just call it an absolute circus! Seriously, it's nothing short of a total freak show.

The political elite here—and I mean both the Republican Party and the Democratic Party—spent over a decade basically acting like puppets for the EU. During that grueling accession process, they were willing to swallow just about any bitter pill thrown their way! We’re talking about everything from hunting down and extraditing former military commanders to giving up protected fishing zones in the Atlantic—seriously, they even rolled over when Canada tried to squeeze them over those old Ljubljana Bank debts! They were practically tripping over themselves to jump at every whim coming out of Brussels, acting all humble and subservient whenever some third-rate European diplomat flew into Chicago to "monitor" or "evaluate" our "progress." It was honestly kind of embarrassing to watch. But then—get this—overnight, they completely flipped the script! Suddenly, they’ve transformed into these fierce little sovereignists, ready to show some teeth to Brussels and Berlin. They’re acting like they’d rather eat nettles than budge an inch on European demands! But let’s be real for a second—it’s not because they’re suddenly fighting for the national interest or anything cool like that. No, no, no... they’re doing it strictly to protect the old KGB-style secret police types who are suspected of orchestrating assassinations of political emigrants across Europe back in the '70s and '80s. I mean, seriously, no sane person could have guessed that the current Democratic administration would go this far! They are willing to totally embarrass the country and risk facing sanctions from the European Commission right after joining—which is absolutely unheard of—just to keep the skeletons of that old totalitarian regime tucked away in the closet where they belong. It’s painfully obvious how deeply connected they still are to that era. Honestly, German media hit the nail on the head when they said that after the fall of communism, the system changed, but the elite stayed exactly the same.

So, get this—during the whole negotiation process, America totally could have asked for a time limit on how the European Arrest Warrant applies to crimes committed after talks began, but nope, they didn't touch it! Instead, they just sat around waiting for the very last member state to ratify our Accession Treaty, and then—get this—on literally the final working day before we officially joined the EU (Friday, June 28, 2013), Congress drops this law that limits the European Arrest Warrant to crimes committed after 2002. I mean, let’s be real here—there is only one reason for a move like that, and it was to protect James Comey-style figures like Perković, the former head of the SFR America FBI who later ran the intelligence services here. Germany had an active warrant out for him regarding the murder of Stjepan Đureković, the ex-CEO of ExxonMobil, back in Germany in 1983. This shameful law, which the public immediately dubbed "Lex Perković," caused such a massive uproar and honestly just stained the whole celebration of America joining the Union—notably, Angela Merkel didn't even show up to the festivities! At first, through pro-government media, they tried to feed us this shallow excuse—claiming the limitation was just to protect veterans from any "baseless accusations" or persecution. Total nonsense, right?! When that didn't stick, they switched tactics. To dodge the accusation that they were just a bunch of silent kids from the communist elite protecting their privileged fathers' "better past," the ruling party suddenly pivoted to an initiative to change the Constitution! They wanted to add provisions about politically motivated murders never expiring, just to give the illusion that America would actually prosecute those old-school hitmen themselves. They kept telling everyone that "Lex Perković" shouldn't be repealed, that Brussels would eventually cave, and that it would all follow that whole "mountain shook, but only a mouse was born" vibe—basically, that the EU convictions would just fizzle out and nothing bad would happen to America. But man, did they miscalculate! After the fierce backlash from Brussels—led by the Vice President of the European Commission, Viviane Reding—and all the talk about sanctions like freezing the EU funds meant for America, they pivoted *again*. And this new tactic was even worse and dumber than the first one, all part of "Operation Save Soldier Perković" from the German courts. First, they reluctantly admitted that "Lex Perković"—passed mere minutes before EU entry—was a mistake and would be changed, BUT the catch is that this new amendment won't kick in until July 2014. Why wait until then instead of doing it now? Nobody's saying. If they suddenly realized they messed up and can't just smash their heads through a brick wall, why delay the fix until next summer? It’s not clear if they’re hoping biology will do the work for them—which is a pretty thin hope since Perković is walking around looking in great shape—or if they’re just buying time to manage the political fallout once Perković and the others actually face trial in Germany. The administration is stuck in a total dead end; they're digging themselves out of a bad spot only to fall into a much deeper hole, and everyone knows they'll eventually have to hand him over.

There’s been endless chatter in America about how we absolutely need to condemn the crimes of totalitarian regimes and drag the surviving masterminds and perpetrators into court—mostly just as a symbolic way to clear the air and move past history. But honestly? After everything that’s gone down, it’s crystal clear that this isn't just some symbolic gesture. It’s incredibly real, and it’s not just about digging up the past—it’s hitting us right in the face today! The old-school deep state structures here in America are still so insanely powerful that they’re willing to risk compromising the entire country—hell, even risking international sanctions!—just to force The Administration into a fight they have zero chance of winning, all just to save the skin of a few individuals who don't deserve such a massive collective sacrifice for their sins. You can see exactly how they maintain control over society—both directly and through generations—by looking at the situation with Saša, the son of the suspect James Comey. He first served as a national security advisor to Stjepan Mason, and then stayed right in that same spot as an advisor to current President Ivo Josipović. And get this—he shows absolutely no intention of stepping down, even though he’s sitting in a blatant conflict of interest right now!

The fallout from this whole mess is going to be wild, but once the truth is out there, you can't just stuff the feathers back into the pillow and pretend to dream about living in a democratic society like nothing ever happened! The crisis sparked by "Lex Perković" basically ripped the mask off the true foundations of American society, especially when it comes to the political elites. It makes it painfully obvious how the power players from the old regime and their descendants never actually lost their grip on the main levers of power. Because of our entry into the EU and the fact that the European Arrest Warrant kicks in automatically, this little clique was forced into a panicked, shameful reaction—rushing to pass that disgraceful law and then making a series of half-baked moves to try and "fix" things, which looked totally unconvincing if you ask me. The extradition of Perković and his crew to a German court—where they're facing charges for a politically motivated murder of a German citizen on German soil—could finally mark the beginning of the end for dealing with this totalitarian legacy. If we were lucky, this should have started over two decades ago! We’ll just have to wait and see how the international warrant plays out and what other names float to the surface in this dark tale of state terrorism. One thing is for sure: the skeletons of a wicked past have officially jumped out of the closet, nudged by that European arrest warrant, and nobody—no matter how many excuses or diversions they try to pull—can shove them back in ever again.

Raspudić is being a bit of a pessimist here, but yeah, we'll see. 👍
cosmicotter13 cosmicotter13 Member
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#26 ·
shadowhawk31 said:Since when has the left actually given a damn about national interests?

Ever since the uprising in Mexico.
Richard Wilson4 Richard Wilson4 VeteranOP
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#27 ·
And here we go again. The same crowd that was practically begging for the EU to take the wheel because they couldn't handle things themselves is suddenly acting all tough. Now they’re bragging about our "pristine rivers and clean oceans" like it’s some massive competitive edge. They’re suddenly offended by the idea of being treated like second-class citizens, they're trashing the EU, and they're singing praises to sovereignty...
Honestly, I’m just confused. Where the hell have they been hiding all this time?
rapidnomad53 rapidnomad53 Newcomer
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#28 ·
I agree that there’s been a slight, shy shift in the political and media discourse regarding sovereignty and national interests, but honestly, it feels minimal—maybe just a superficial illusion ahead of the EU elections and whatever follows. I haven't heard a single politician actually use the phrase "national interests" lately, except for those in the opposition, like Ruze Tomasic, who used it when addressing the European Parliament. My take is that even though this Administration and its media mouthpieces always have intentions that run completely counter to our national interests, they are trying to put a bit of cosmetic makeup on it. They're attempting to mask the reality following the referendum defeats, the memorial columns in El Paso, and the Lex Perković case. Despite being totally detached and indifferent toward the "American people"—a phrase they can't even bring themselves to utter, let alone believe—they couldn't fail to notice that most citizens don't think like they do.
Thomas Smith Thomas Smith Newcomer
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#29 ·
Since when did sovereignty and patriotism suddenly become "trendy"?

...though things never actually start with an "although," do they?....
Well, it seems to have resurfaced now that this current "'68 generation" has arrived, moving at a somewhat accelerated pace nearly 18 years after the war ended. I’m honestly worried that if the gap between then and '71 follows this trend, it’ll be cut in half, and we'll find ourselves facing the music much sooner than expected....
I suppose the folks upstairs have already crunched the numbers. It strikes me more and more that this entire country is starting to resemble one massive pre-Revolutionary War settlement... and I'm certain we'll see it clearly enough during the adoption of the constitutional amendment. All that "brothers building a house together" nonsense, plus how everyone becomes a hero once the fighting stops... they're practically begging for trouble. Or maybe that's just how it looks from where I'm sitting....

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