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John Hall52 John Hall52 Newcomer
7 messages
joined Apr 2016
#1521 ·
I’m hoping someone might be able to offer some guidance on a bit of a dilemma I’ve run into. I have a supplier based over in France, and on their invoice, they’ve provided their tax ID. When I go ahead and plug that number into the official database, everything seems to validate perfectly fine, but there’s a catch—the business name and address listed in the registry don't actually match what's printed on the invoice. It’s all a bit inconsistent. Since this entity is acting as both my supplier and my customer, I really need to ensure that the tax ID information is absolutely accurate for our records. Has anyone ever dealt with a situation like this before? (As a quick side note, I did reach out to them to clarify, and they explained that the details in the database still reflect their old company info, whereas the invoice was issued under their new entity, even though the tax ID itself remained unchanged.)
ruggedmaker2 ruggedmaker2 Regular
469 messages
joined Mar 2018
#1522 ·
John Hall52 said:I’m hoping someone might be able to offer some guidance on a bit of a dilemma I’ve run into. I have a supplier based over in France, and on their invoice, they’ve provided their tax ID. When I go ahead and plug that number into the official database, everything seems to validate perfectly fine, but there’s a catch—the business name and address listed in the registry don't actually match what's printed on the invoice. It’s all a bit inconsistent. Since this entity is acting as both my supplier and my customer, I really need to ensure that the tax ID information is absolutely accurate for our records. Has anyone ever dealt with a situation like this before? (As a quick side note, I did reach out to them to clarify, and they explained that the details in the database still reflect their old company info, whereas the invoice was issued under their new entity, even though the tax ID itself remained unchanged.)

Look, just focus on the Tax ID. That's the thing that actually matters. That's how the IRS and other agencies cross-reference everything. Honestly, the company name is pretty much irrelevant, and neither is the headquarters location—companies move around all the time.

The paperwork matches up based on the Tax ID, not the name on the letterhead.
Your records have to line up with their filings via that specific ID number.
John Hall52 John Hall52 Newcomer
7 messages
joined Apr 2016
#1523 ·
ruggedmaker2 said:Look, just focus on the Tax ID. That's the thing that actually matters. That's how the IRS and other agencies cross-reference everything. Honestly, the company name is pretty much irrelevant, and neither is the headquarters location—companies move around all the time.

The paperwork matches up based on the Tax ID, not the name on the letterhead.
Your records have to line up with their filings via that specific ID number.

I suppose I follow that the Tax ID is the key factor, but I am wondering—is it actually okay for me to record their invoice, or perhaps issue an invoice to a customer without charging sales tax, if I notice in the database that the company name listed is different from the one on the actual invoice we received or sent?
urbanwalker72 urbanwalker72 Active Member
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joined Aug 2021
#1524 ·
John Hall52 said:I suppose I follow that the Tax ID is the key factor, but I am wondering—is it actually okay for me to record their invoice, or perhaps issue an invoice to a customer without charging sales tax, if I notice in the database that the company name listed is different from the one on the actual invoice we received or sent?

Of course you can. If a corporation undergoes a name change, it doesn't fundamentally alter its legal existence; it remains the exact same entity, merely wearing a different label. Their tax identification number serves as the ultimate guarantee of this continuity, much like how a Social Security number identifies an individual regardless of any changes to their name. That ID is tied directly to the company's tax profile within the system.
dustygardener43 dustygardener43 Member
21 messages
joined Nov 2014
#1525 ·
It isn't even an option to issue an invoice without sales tax; the tax is built right in Reverse charge under Section 79.
John Hall52 John Hall52 Newcomer
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joined Apr 2016
#1526 ·
Thanks so much for all the helpful replies!
George Price10 George Price10 Newcomer
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joined May 2020
#1527 ·
I am operating as a sole proprietor. By chance, I was assigned a tax ID by the IRS. I recently purchased some music gear online for up to $16667 and used my tax ID when registering for the online store. My shipment arrived with a tax-exempt invoice. Since the total is under $77,000, am I exempt from reporting this, or is it mandatory regardless?
urbanwalker72 urbanwalker72 Active Member
147 messages
joined Aug 2021
#1528 ·
George Price10 said:I am operating as a sole proprietor. By chance, I was assigned a tax ID by the IRS. I recently purchased some music gear online for up to $16667 and used my tax ID when registering for the online store. My shipment arrived with a tax-exempt invoice. Since the total is under $77,000, am I exempt from reporting this, or is it mandatory regardless?

It is mandatory. I find myself wondering how such a coincidence occurred—why would you possess an EIN if there is no functional need for it? Furthermore, one must consider whether this equipment is intended strictly for professional use or for personal enjoyment.
George Price10 George Price10 Newcomer
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joined May 2020
#1529 ·
urbanwalker72 said:It is mandatory. I find myself wondering how such a coincidence occurred—why would you possess an EIN if there is no functional need for it? Furthermore, one must consider whether this equipment is intended strictly for professional use or for personal enjoyment.

I was supposed to be working with some Italians, but the deal fell through. During that time, I was checking with the IRS because I needed a way to get paid, since there was no other option. Eventually, the job was postponed and then canceled entirely, leaving me with an active tax ID. I assumed everyone had to have one, but after reading the discussions here, I realized the system messed up—I have a legitimate tax ID despite not being registered for sales tax. It’s confusing because I thought if I owed anything, the IRS would just handle the calculations when they sent my tax assessment, given how everything is integrated within the US system. The items I bought were intended as business equipment.
urbanwalker72 urbanwalker72 Active Member
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joined Aug 2021
#1530 ·
George Price10 said:I was supposed to be working with some Italians, but the deal fell through. During that time, I was checking with the IRS because I needed a way to get paid, since there was no other option. Eventually, the job was postponed and then canceled entirely, leaving me with an active tax ID. I assumed everyone had to have one, but after reading the discussions here, I realized the system messed up—I have a legitimate tax ID despite not being registered for sales tax. It’s confusing because I thought if I owed anything, the IRS would just handle the calculations when they sent my tax assessment, given how everything is integrated within the US system. The items I bought were intended as business equipment.

Regarding that deal with the Italians, were you meant to be providing services to them or receiving services from them?

If that was the case, you really should have requested to cancel your sales tax ID once the deal collapsed.

Only then would the ID be removed, preventing others from applying the reverse charge mechanism and ensuring you wouldn't be hit with sales tax obligations until you actually cross that $75,000 threshold $0.00.

As it stands, they likely checked the database, saw you had an active ID, and were legally obligated to shift the liability onto you.

I am not entirely sure what your options are now, other than perhaps reporting the liability on a tax form and paying it. If you don't, the IRS will probably reach out to you in six months or a year to settle up. Or maybe they won't; it all depends on how far those data exchange lists go. Knowing how these agencies operate, it might actually be in your best interest to just wait and see if they even notice.
George Price10 George Price10 Newcomer
3 messages
joined May 2020
#1531 ·
urbanwalker72 said:Regarding that deal with the Italians, were you meant to be providing services to them or receiving services from them?

If that was the case, you really should have requested to cancel your sales tax ID once the deal collapsed.

Only then would the ID be removed, preventing others from applying the reverse charge mechanism and ensuring you wouldn't be hit with sales tax obligations until you actually cross that $75,000 threshold $0.00.

As it stands, they likely checked the database, saw you had an active ID, and were legally obligated to shift the liability onto you.

I am not entirely sure what your options are now, other than perhaps reporting the liability on a tax form and paying it. If you don't, the IRS will probably reach out to you in six months or a year to settle up. Or maybe they won't; it all depends on how far those data exchange lists go. Knowing how these agencies operate, it might actually be in your best interest to just wait and see if they even notice.

I was the one providing the service to them. I had no idea I wasn't supposed to have a tax ID. The whole system for small business owners in the US is incredibly confusing. It's almost as if we aren't part of the same unified system.
I'll just wait for them to call.🙂 Thanks!
urbanwalker72 urbanwalker72 Active Member
147 messages
joined Aug 2021
#1532 ·
George Price10 said:I was the one providing the service to them. I had no idea I wasn't supposed to have a tax ID. The whole system for small business owners in the US is incredibly confusing. It's almost as if we aren't part of the same unified system.
I'll just wait for them to call.🙂 Thanks!

You are technically allowed to have one, but it serves no practical purpose if you haven't actually performed services or received them—specifically if you're just reporting income that falls below the standard deduction threshold. You can certainly wait for them to reach out, but I would advise preparing for an expense, though the likelihood of one occurring isn't particularly high.
Bryan Scott4 Bryan Scott4 Newcomer
7 messages
joined May 2020
#1533 ·
Just wanted to jump in on that question above. So, I recently set up an LLC and requested a VAT ID—well, an EIN/tax ID over here—because I need it for some advertising services. Do I actually need to provide that number when I'm buying goods from overseas, even if I'm not hitting that $26 threshold?
placidcrane10 placidcrane10 Newcomer
4 messages
joined Mar 2008
#1534 ·
I have a question regarding a specific scenario: an American company is invoicing an Italian firm for costs related to vessel mooring services provided here in the States. In this situation, should the invoice include sales tax? And more importantly, who is actually responsible for paying it?
slygardener5 slygardener5 Newcomer
1 message
joined Feb 2021
#1535 ·
Hi there,

I was wondering if anyone could clarify how things currently stand regarding sales tax and the United Kingdom following the Reconstruction.

To be specific: I'm planning on setting up an LLC that won't be registered for sales tax.
Suppose I'm doing some freelance programming work for a company based in the United Kingdom. Would I be responsible for paying sales tax, or can I just apply a "reverse charge" to the invoice, similar to how it works with other non-UN entities (like a firm in the USA)? Also, does the fact that I'm not in the sales tax system change anything about that process?

Thanks!

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