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Help! How do I protect myself when lending money?

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Participants Paul Hughes4darkmaker94northerntigerBradley Wilson5Jose Miller3
Paul Hughes4 Paul Hughes4 NewcomerOP
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joined Jan 2013
#1 ·
Hello, and thanks to everyone joining this discussion.

So, about sixteen months ago, I lent $40 $0.00 to someone I barely know—no need for details. We essentially structured it through a secured loan; I had $40,000 $0.00 in a CD, and the bank issued him $40,000 against it. He was supposed to pay the bank back in installments, which would eventually release my funds. Unfortunately, he’s only managed to pay back $3,000 $0.00, despite promising early on that he’d have it settled within two months. I suppose I was being naive by trusting his word 🙂 and thinking a year was plenty since I couldn't touch the CD anyway.

The issue is this: I have zero documentation of the loan, and legally speaking, I can't hold him liable right now because, technically, it looks like a gift.

But that’s all in the past.

We are still in contact, and he maintains that he wants to make things right, offering to pay me a few thousand dollars a month. He even gave me another one of his promises that everything will be cleared by the end of this year.

So, here is where I am...

Since I'm backed into a corner, I don't see much point in picking a fight. If I push too hard, he might just block my number, and I'd really rather not have to settle this in person if I can avoid it.

He has agreed to the following...

He said he is willing to go to a notary public—or wherever else is necessary (which is why I'm starting this thread)—to formalize the debt and grant me an extension.

Basically, he’s agreed to meet at the proper office to sign a legal document stating that I handed him $37,000 $0.00 as of today, and that he must repay it within, say, ten months. If he fails, I want the ability to freeze his bank account.

I could use some guidance here. I'm completely out of my depth. Is a notary sufficient for this kind of thing? And if we do this and those ten months pass without payment, can I actually go to court to garnish his wages or freeze his account? What happens if there's nothing left in his account? How would he pay me back in a way that the courts can track? I assume he can't just hand me cash or send it to a different account without it being visible to the authorities...

I'll likely have more questions, but these are the main ones for now.
darkmaker94 darkmaker94 Regular
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#2 ·
Fill out the blank promissory note and get it notarized (you and the debtor both need to be there). It’ll act just like a court-ordered judgment for enforcement.
Paul Hughes4 Paul Hughes4 NewcomerOP
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joined Jan 2013
#3 ·
Do we both need to be present at the notary's office, or can she just mail everything over?
Is the invoice addressed to a private individual, and does it pull directly from their checking accounts? I wonder what happens if they don't have the funds available. I suppose they could try canceling their card and getting a new one to dodge the debt, though that seems unlikely to work.
northerntiger northerntiger Member
39 messages
joined Jan 2010
#4 ·
What gives the bank the right to use YOUR savings as collateral for someone else's loan?
Paul Hughes4 Paul Hughes4 NewcomerOP
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joined Jan 2013
#5 ·
northerntiger said:What gives the bank the right to use YOUR savings as collateral for someone else's loan?

Maybe you haven't quite grasped how this works. It isn't a direct loan. I put my $6,000 into a CD, and the bank used that as leverage to lend him $6,000. I get my money back only if he pays the bank back within the year, plus interest.

Call it a loan or whatever you like, I suppose.
Bradley Wilson5 Bradley Wilson5 Member
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joined Nov 2010
#6 ·
So the bank hands over their cash, you lock up the exact same amount, and somehow that acts as "collateral" for them??? wtf? On top of that, the bank collects interest on the loan while you’re stuck collecting interest on your savings... you're getting absolutely crushed here.

Anyway, I'm also wondering how an individual is supposed to secure a loan when they lend money to someone else. Like, just a regular person lending to another person!
Jose Miller3 Jose Miller3 Regular
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joined Mar 2024
#7 ·
Look at it this way: $12333 you paid tuition just so you wouldn't have to lend cash to people you barely even know 🙂

It’s all just window dressing at this point—nothing but IOUs, empty promises, and total scams. You’re never actually seeing that money again... unless some guy happens to get hit by a falling icicle from his roof and suddenly decides he's a saint who wants to do right by you.
Paul Hughes4 Paul Hughes4 NewcomerOP
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joined Jan 2013
#8 ·
Jose Miller3 said:Look at it this way: $12333 you paid tuition just so you wouldn't have to lend cash to people you barely even know 🙂

It’s all just window dressing at this point—nothing but IOUs, empty promises, and total scams. You’re never actually seeing that money again... unless some guy happens to get hit by a falling icicle from his roof and suddenly decides he's a saint who wants to do right by you.

Fair enough, but if he actually signs that blank promissory note he's promising to sign, what happens if I go to Chase in ten months and freeze his accounts? I doubt he can live his whole life without a bank account, given he runs several businesses. I assume he wouldn't be allowed to open a new one until the debt on the old one is settled?

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