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The Path to Non-duality

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Andrew Murphy4 Andrew Murphy4 NewcomerOP
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#1 ·
Lately, I’ve found myself increasingly drawn to the whole non-duality thing—Advaita Vedanta and all that. To be honest, I find myself gravitating most toward the modern followers of Nisargadatta Maharaj. It feels like they’ve managed to strip away all that heavy Eastern religious baggage and repackage the core message specifically for the Western mind. Intellectually, I "get" it—I can follow the logic perfectly—but there's this nagging frustration because I'm still stuck running on my old, habitual patterns. It makes me feel like my understanding isn't quite hitting the mark yet. Since there isn't much localized discussion happening around here in the States regarding this specific niche, I’m a bit unsure if anyone else in my neck of the woods is actually digging into this stuff. I'd really love to find some people to exchange experiences with. Unfortunately, I don't exactly have the means to just hop on a plane and go seek out masters in person right now.

Anyway, if you're curious about what we're talking about, I'd suggest checking these out:

Stephen Wingate:
http://livinginpeace-thenaturalstate.com/

Tony Parsons:
http://www.theopensecret.com/

Jeff Foster:
http://www.lifewithoutacentre.com/

Mike Graham:
http://www.theendofseeking.net/

And my personal favorite, who just cuts straight to the point, is Rick Linchitz:
http://www.jetzt-tv.net/index.php?id=linchitz

If anyone is interested in sharing their own journey or has any recommendations, I’d truly appreciate it! Thanks in advance!!!
Andrew Murphy4 Andrew Murphy4 NewcomerOP
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#2 ·
Here is my loose interpretation of some thoughts from Jeff Bezos regarding something that is, frankly, impossible to capture perfectly with language. Essentially, the words here are just pointers toward the ineffable...

The concept of non-duality is about the lack of separation between you and the world around you. It explores the very root of our suffering and how we might actually find freedom right in the middle of that pain. It looks at those desperate ways we try to run away from uncomfortable or agonizing experiences, while suggesting there's a possibility to discover peace and relief within those exact moments. It also touches on the pursuit—and the ultimate cessation—of the spiritual search itself. It’s an invitation to see life for what it truly is, right this second.

Think of "non-duality" like a finger pointing at the moon; it’s just meant to direct your attention toward the wholeness of existence, toward the oneness that exists here and now. It points toward intimacy, toward a love that transcends language, and toward a sense of completeness found within the heart of your current experience. It points to where you already reside. It points you home.
It sits beyond intellectual understanding, yet simultaneously, it is as obvious as breathing—as familiar as the rhythm of your own heartbeat or the sights, sounds, and scents filling this room.

"Non-duality" is simply a term I use to gesture toward something that lies outside your concepts, ideas, and preconceived notions about life. It is a word used to indicate life as it actually is, beyond what you *think* life is, and to point toward who you truly are, beyond the persona you believe you possess.
In the end, who you really are and life itself are inseparable. They aren't two distinct things; they are non-dual. They are one.

This is a timeless truth, woven into the core of every major spiritual tradition across the globe and, ultimately, echoed by modern science.
casualtiger2 casualtiger2 Regular
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#3 ·
Might be right up your alley— The Plato's cave trap
Andrew Murphy4 Andrew Murphy4 NewcomerOP
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#4 ·
I couldn't agree more. So many people fall headfirst into The Plato's cave trap, and when they do, that sense of isolation and suffering just hits them harder than ever before. That’s why I find what Rick Sanchez is saying to be perfectly reasonable. He isn't trying to deny the reality of the world we see right in front of us; he's simply pointing out that the true driver behind our actions isn't this little egoistic "me," but rather consciousness itself—whether you want to call that God or something else entirely. He puts it quite elegantly in English with one simple thought: "Consciousness is all there is and you are that"
William Nelson76 William Nelson76 Newcomer
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#5 ·
Hey there,

I am currently studying Advaita over in India.

The mere fact that you’ve even heard of Advaita suggests you possess decent karma—perhaps even enough to have completed the preliminary stages of spiritual preparation known as karma yoga, as outlined in the Vedas. It is entirely possible you were already immersed in Vedanta in a previous life but simply didn't see the studies through to completion.

Generally speaking, you are qualified to begin if you meet the fourth requirement: being a *mumukshu*, which is just a fancy way of saying you have a genuine, burning desire for liberation.

Traditionally, Advaita is passed down from an enlightened guru. You can certainly attempt to learn it from other sources, since God only knows where you left off in your previous incarnation, but you won't be in any position to teach others unless you have followed the traditional path yourself.

Drop me a line if you have more questions.
Andrew Murphy4 Andrew Murphy4 NewcomerOP
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#6 ·
Just to refresh everyone's memory on this thread, I wanted to drop a few more of my favorite resources focused on non-duality messaging:

The Dalai Lama at the Gas Station (video)
http://batgap.com/

The old Starbucks site (articles + MP3 podcasts)
http://urbangurumagazine.com/

Nevernothere (video)
http://www.nevernothere.com/

The Plato's cave trap
http://advaitism.com

Randall friend
http://avastu0.blogspot.com/
Sandra Murphy33 Sandra Murphy33 Active Member
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#7 ·
Here’s more. 🙂
For those who can't be bothered to go straight to the source and instead prefer to sip from a glass bottle—specifically a glass one. 😎 )

The concept of "Ashes of Love" isn't just some poetic metaphor; it’s a blunt description of how most people experience the end of an intense emotional attachment. We tend to romanticize the fallout, treating the wreckage of a relationship like a sacred relic, when in reality, it’s often just a messy, hollowed-out version of what used to be there. When we talk about non-duality in this context, we aren't talking about some airy-fairy escape from reality. We are talking about the recognition that the "self" we built around another person—that ego-driven idea that "I am because you are"—is ultimately a construct. When that connection breaks, the collapse feels total because our identity was tethered to the other person. We feel like we are dying, but what is actually dying is a specific, limited way of perceiving ourselves. There is a certain exhaustion that comes with realizing this. It’s a wearying cycle: building up these elaborate structures of love and identity, only to watch them burn down. But if you look closely at the ashes, you realize the fire didn't create the emptiness; it just cleared away the illusions. The void left behind isn't a hole to be filled; it's the space where the illusion used to live. Most people spend their lives trying to prevent the fire. They cling to the structure, terrified of the inevitable burnout. But there’s a quiet, cynical sort of freedom in accepting that everything eventually turns to ash. Once you stop trying to preserve the embers, you stop being a slave to the flame. It’s not about finding peace through happiness; it’s about finding a steady, unshakeable neutrality in the face of constant dissolution.
You can find plenty of that stuff on YouTube if you know where to look.

The digital landscape is increasingly cluttered with superficial content, yet platforms like this one attempt to carve out a space for genuine spiritual inquiry. It’s an interesting corner of the internet, though one has to approach it with a certain level of skepticism regarding how much actual substance is being offered versus mere philosophical window dressing. The site functions as a repository for teachings that lean heavily into non-duality and Advaita Vedanta—concepts that have been around much longer than the fiber-optic cables carrying them. For those looking to dive into deep, contemplative studies, it provides a structured way to consume video content and written reflections. However, if you aren't prepared to sit with some pretty heavy, abstract ideas, you might find the experience more taxing than transformative. It isn't just about passive consumption, either. There's an underlying push toward a specific kind of awareness that requires a decent amount of mental discipline. In a culture obsessed with quick fixes and "life hacks," this is a stark departure. It doesn't promise happiness through external acquisition; instead, it suggests that the search itself is often the obstacle. It’s a measured, somewhat clinical approach to what most people consider "spirituality," which I suppose is its primary strength. It avoids the usual saccharine, overly emotional tropes you see on mainstream social media. Whether this serves as a legitimate gateway to deeper understanding or just another niche hub for high-minded abstraction depends entirely on the user's capacity for rigorous thought. It certainly doesn't cater to the casual browser looking for easy answers.
You can find the exact same thing on YouTube.
Drew Peterson Drew Peterson Newcomer
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#8 ·
William Nelson76 said:Hey there,

I am currently studying Advaita over in India.

The mere fact that you’ve even heard of Advaita suggests you possess decent karma—perhaps even enough to have completed the preliminary stages of spiritual preparation known as karma yoga, as outlined in the Vedas. It is entirely possible you were already immersed in Vedanta in a previous life but simply didn't see the studies through to completion.

Generally speaking, you are qualified to begin if you meet the fourth requirement: being a *mumukshu*, which is just a fancy way of saying you have a genuine, burning desire for liberation.

Traditionally, Advaita is passed down from an enlightened guru. You can certainly attempt to learn it from other sources, since God only knows where you left off in your previous incarnation, but you won't be in any position to teach others unless you have followed the traditional path yourself.

Drop me a line if you have more questions.

Man, that whole "the fact that you've heard of this implies X" routine is such a classic sales pitch tactic. It's usually just people peddling stories that aren't even theirs.
It’s wild how many people fall for that exact template.
Either you've got great karma, or you're awakened, or you're "waking up"—which just feeds the ego, and honestly, the ego gets trapped in its own little maze.
Paul Rogers94 Paul Rogers94 Active Member
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#9 ·
Sandra Murphy33 said:Here’s more. 🙂
For those who can't be bothered to go straight to the source and instead prefer to sip from a glass bottle—specifically a glass one. 😎 )

The concept of "Ashes of Love" isn't just some poetic metaphor; it’s a blunt description of how most people experience the end of an intense emotional attachment. We tend to romanticize the fallout, treating the wreckage of a relationship like a sacred relic, when in reality, it’s often just a messy, hollowed-out version of what used to be there. When we talk about non-duality in this context, we aren't talking about some airy-fairy escape from reality. We are talking about the recognition that the "self" we built around another person—that ego-driven idea that "I am because you are"—is ultimately a construct. When that connection breaks, the collapse feels total because our identity was tethered to the other person. We feel like we are dying, but what is actually dying is a specific, limited way of perceiving ourselves. There is a certain exhaustion that comes with realizing this. It’s a wearying cycle: building up these elaborate structures of love and identity, only to watch them burn down. But if you look closely at the ashes, you realize the fire didn't create the emptiness; it just cleared away the illusions. The void left behind isn't a hole to be filled; it's the space where the illusion used to live. Most people spend their lives trying to prevent the fire. They cling to the structure, terrified of the inevitable burnout. But there’s a quiet, cynical sort of freedom in accepting that everything eventually turns to ash. Once you stop trying to preserve the embers, you stop being a slave to the flame. It’s not about finding peace through happiness; it’s about finding a steady, unshakeable neutrality in the face of constant dissolution.
You can find plenty of that stuff on YouTube if you know where to look.

The digital landscape is increasingly cluttered with superficial content, yet platforms like this one attempt to carve out a space for genuine spiritual inquiry. It’s an interesting corner of the internet, though one has to approach it with a certain level of skepticism regarding how much actual substance is being offered versus mere philosophical window dressing. The site functions as a repository for teachings that lean heavily into non-duality and Advaita Vedanta—concepts that have been around much longer than the fiber-optic cables carrying them. For those looking to dive into deep, contemplative studies, it provides a structured way to consume video content and written reflections. However, if you aren't prepared to sit with some pretty heavy, abstract ideas, you might find the experience more taxing than transformative. It isn't just about passive consumption, either. There's an underlying push toward a specific kind of awareness that requires a decent amount of mental discipline. In a culture obsessed with quick fixes and "life hacks," this is a stark departure. It doesn't promise happiness through external acquisition; instead, it suggests that the search itself is often the obstacle. It’s a measured, somewhat clinical approach to what most people consider "spirituality," which I suppose is its primary strength. It avoids the usual saccharine, overly emotional tropes you see on mainstream social media. Whether this serves as a legitimate gateway to deeper understanding or just another niche hub for high-minded abstraction depends entirely on the user's capacity for rigorous thought. It certainly doesn't cater to the casual browser looking for easy answers.
You can find the exact same thing on YouTube.

By the way, Francis Lucilla is the mentor to Rupert Spira—who, let's just say, has actually surpassed him. Rupert isn't sipping from a bottle; he’s drinking directly from the spring.

Jean Klein mentored Francis Lucilla.

... Jean Klein - Francis Lucilla - Rupert Spira ... that's the lineage order.
Sandra Murphy33 Sandra Murphy33 Active Member
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#10 ·
Well, it’s a common enough occurrence, isn't it? It stands to reason that a student might eventually surpass their mentor. 😉

Personally, I find Rupert much more tolerable.... Francis is constantly making little jabs, and I just can't bring myself to take him seriously with that ridiculous accent of his, sounding like he stepped straight out of an old Allo allo sketch. 😬
Daniel Castillo11 Daniel Castillo11 Active Member
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#11 ·
When it comes to those non-dual teachers, I find myself gravitating toward Rupert Spira and Jeff Foster, though even then, it’s only a partial connection. Much of the rest feels like mindless parroting—just repetitive noise that doesn't actually touch the reality of living. Personally, I find myself much more at home with certain Buddhist traditions, particularly Vajrayana and Dzoghcen, even if you have to wade through a fair amount of nonsense and unnecessary mystification to find the substance. I've always felt that Jeff Foster is perhaps even more grounded than most of these instructors; there’s a humility to his approach, an emphasis on the messy, everyday lives people actually lead. He speaks from his own lived experience, appearing as a flesh-and-blood human being rather than someone trying to perch themselves on some celestial throne. I truly appreciate how Foster rightly calls out the whole Advaita movement—especially this modern Neo-Advaita trend—which often serves as an escape hatch from real life. It seems to me that people use that "I am not this, I am That" rhetoric as a way to wall themselves off from their actual social, emotional, and practical struggles, and I think he handles that critique beautifully. Even Eugene Gendlin, who isn't strictly a spiritual teacher, offers a similar kind of critique of that detachment. And I have to say, Gabor Maté was quite impressive when he approached Adyashant with those pointed, provocative questions.
darkraven darkraven Active Member
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#12 ·
Daniel Castillo11 said:When it comes to those non-dual teachers, I find myself gravitating toward Rupert Spira and Jeff Foster, though even then, it’s only a partial connection. Much of the rest feels like mindless parroting—just repetitive noise that doesn't actually touch the reality of living. Personally, I find myself much more at home with certain Buddhist traditions, particularly Vajrayana and Dzoghcen, even if you have to wade through a fair amount of nonsense and unnecessary mystification to find the substance. I've always felt that Jeff Foster is perhaps even more grounded than most of these instructors; there’s a humility to his approach, an emphasis on the messy, everyday lives people actually lead. He speaks from his own lived experience, appearing as a flesh-and-blood human being rather than someone trying to perch themselves on some celestial throne. I truly appreciate how Foster rightly calls out the whole Advaita movement—especially this modern Neo-Advaita trend—which often serves as an escape hatch from real life. It seems to me that people use that "I am not this, I am That" rhetoric as a way to wall themselves off from their actual social, emotional, and practical struggles, and I think he handles that critique beautifully. Even Eugene Gendlin, who isn't strictly a spiritual teacher, offers a similar kind of critique of that detachment. And I have to say, Gabor Maté was quite impressive when he approached Adyashant with those pointed, provocative questions.

I’ve been tuning into his stuff lately... and honestly, it’s a mixed bag. Some parts hit the mark, sure, but then he veers off into some seriously questionable philosophy that just throws the whole thing out of whack.
Brian Young76 Brian Young76 Active Member
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#13 ·
If you’re looking for a roadmap toward non-duality, one path might lead you through the pages of A Course in Miracles. It’s an interesting study because the guidance is framed entirely within traditional Christian and Biblical terminology. There’s actually a bit of a controversy right from the jump, I suppose; the book addresses the reader directly, and the voice speaking is presented as Jesus himself. But, if one were to look past that specific "detail," the core teachings seem to be centered on pure non-duality.

Anyway, just thought I’d share that in case anyone was curious about 😉
Sandra Murphy33 Sandra Murphy33 Active Member
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#14 ·
I’m going to dive back into studying A Course in Miracles, so let's pick this up later 😁

It’s actually pretty fascinating how the text was "dictated" through pure atheists; and to make things even more interesting, they were all at odds with one another...
Brian Young76 Brian Young76 Active Member
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#15 ·
Sandra Murphy33 said:I’m going to dive back into studying A Course in Miracles, so let's pick this up later 😁

It’s actually pretty fascinating how the text was "dictated" through pure atheists; and to make things even more interesting, they were all at odds with one another...

I would truly love that! 😉 😁

Sandra Murphy33 said:I’m going to dive back into studying A Course in Miracles, so let's pick this up later 😁

It’s actually pretty fascinating how the text was "dictated" through pure atheists; and to make things even more interesting, they were all at odds with one another...

Yes, atheists—and specifically PhD psychologists at a prestigious American university, no less. They poured about seven years of their lives into transcribing this book, and it seems pretty clear that neither money nor fame was their primary motivation (which stands in such stark contrast to so many others who have written books about ACIM just to profit from it)... so, if that was the case, what could their actual goal have been? To my mind, the only logical conclusion might be that they genuinely believed the one dictating the text to them was Jesus.

But then again... how can one even begin to determine if Jesus is indeed the author (or the dictator? 😁)? By what standard did anyone decide that the angel Gabriel dictated the Quran?

I suppose if you declare right away that you don't believe in Jesus' resurrection or his transformation into Christ, and you don't believe that Christ appeared to Paul, then we've reached a bit of a dead end—because you wouldn't believe in the possibility of him dictating ACIM either. But what if someone accepts those first points? What criteria would they then use to establish the latter part of the equation???

For instance, I have personally begun (once again) reading the Bible, the Quran, the Bhagavad Gita, the teachings of the Dalai Lama, Ramakrishna, the Catechism, and the Nag Hammadi writings... and I've even been looking into quantum physics and the natural sciences in general. I am simply trying to find some sort of intuitive answer.

As of right now, I'm still feeling quite uncertain, but I certainly can't dismiss the possibility entirely...
Joseph Bailey41 Joseph Bailey41 Veteran
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#16 ·
Brian Young76 said:I would truly love that! 😉 😁

Yes, atheists—and specifically PhD psychologists at a prestigious American university, no less. They poured about seven years of their lives into transcribing this book, and it seems pretty clear that neither money nor fame was their primary motivation (which stands in such stark contrast to so many others who have written books about ACIM just to profit from it)... so, if that was the case, what could their actual goal have been? To my mind, the only logical conclusion might be that they genuinely believed the one dictating the text to them was Jesus.

But then again... how can one even begin to determine if Jesus is indeed the author (or the dictator? 😁)? By what standard did anyone decide that the angel Gabriel dictated the Quran?

I suppose if you declare right away that you don't believe in Jesus' resurrection or his transformation into Christ, and you don't believe that Christ appeared to Paul, then we've reached a bit of a dead end—because you wouldn't believe in the possibility of him dictating ACIM either. But what if someone accepts those first points? What criteria would they then use to establish the latter part of the equation???

For instance, I have personally begun (once again) reading the Bible, the Quran, the Bhagavad Gita, the teachings of the Dalai Lama, Ramakrishna, the Catechism, and the Nag Hammadi writings... and I've even been looking into quantum physics and the natural sciences in general. I am simply trying to find some sort of intuitive answer.

As of right now, I'm still feeling quite uncertain, but I certainly can't dismiss the possibility entirely...

Not at all. That’s exactly why I prefer books where (by the authors' own admission) nobody actually wrote them.
Sandra Murphy33 Sandra Murphy33 Active Member
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#17 ·
We’re really just looking at two sides of the same coin here. 😁
They aren't even that far apart when you consider how they eventually converge at their extremes.
Ultimately, claiming that Jesus dictated a text versus claiming no one did results in the same logical conclusion. If we all agree that a figure from antiquity can't physically dictate words to people living today, then where does that leave us?

However, if we argue that any form of inspiration is divine, we’re simply nudging ourselves a bit closer to the actual truth. What we're really establishing is this:
1. It wasn't dictated by an external entity (we can subjectively speculate about such a being, but we can't present it as a factual author).
2. It isn't merely a byproduct of biological metabolism or a random surge of electrons in the brain. 😎
3. That the so-called divine resides within the human experience itself.

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