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High School Guide: Admissions, reviews, and advice

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Jose Wells3 Jose Wells3 Active Member
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#1781 ·
urbantinker8 said:Personally, when I find myself in a spot like that, I usually don't even bother asking for a higher grade—I just make the call and finalize it.
What matters so much to me isn't some arbitrary number, but rather the actual effort put in over the course of the whole school year and that general vibe regarding their work ethic; those invisible qualities are what truly decide things for me when that GPA is hovering right in that awkward middle ground between a B+ and an A-.
Maybe someone will end up with an A based on a 3.3 average simply because of their attitude, without needing extra tests, whereas I might actually push someone with a 3.5 to take one more quiz.
And honestly, all my kids know where they stand, so I've never really had anyone come to me complaining about a grade.

That applies to every single grade in my classroom, not just the As.
urbantinker8 urbantinker8 Regular
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#1782 ·
Jose Wells3 said:That applies to every single grade in my classroom, not just the As.

Yeah, obviously.
I mention the A grades specifically because I know that's what everyone cares about most, but I suppose what I wrote applies to any score at all, really.
Actually, earlier this year, I ended up giving a student an A even though her GPA was sitting right around a 4.29, and honestly, nobody even questioned me about it. Later on, one of my students actually came up to me, practically in tears, asking if I was being serious. And yeah, I was. Dead serious.
She actually failed two of the bigger exams this year, which was unexpected, especially since I've known her for four years and she’s always maintained a perfect 4.0 in my class based on about fifteen different assignments.
Kenneth Garcia9 Kenneth Garcia9 Member
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joined Apr 2023
#1783 ·
What kind of "contributions" grades are we even talking about here? Are you saying people actually have a specific section labeled "contributions" right there in the ledger... or what?
urbantinker8 urbantinker8 Regular
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#1784 ·
Who’s even talking about grades for "community service" anymore?
That whole thing hasn't been a thing for at least fifteen years, I guess.
Kenneth Garcia9 Kenneth Garcia9 Member
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joined Apr 2023
#1785 ·
Look, I'm not making this up.

Dennis Alvarez2 said:I see the logic there. For students with genuinely high averages across most subjects, having decimals helps smooth out the variance. Instead of everything being simplified into a blunt integer, it rewards those with higher precision. Someone with a 3.91 in Science or a 3.88 in Math clearly earns that rounding advantage over someone sitting at a 3.51. It’s also different when you compare a student with a 2.5 in Science to one with a 3.4. Ultimately, a grade can be raised through extra effort, such as turning in extra credit, improving a notebook, or performing well on an oral presentation. We also deal with massive inconsistency regarding failing grades; some teachers allow retakes while others don't, and some still count the original failing mark in the final average while others ignore it once it's corrected. It creates a lot of uncertainty.

I agree that the overall GPA isn't the most important thing. Usually, the most frustrating gap is seeing a student stuck between a 3.5 and a 4.4.

We actually have "winners" this year; kids with a 3.5-something have to show up on Friday or Monday to prove they deserve an A. The report card already shows a "proposed B," with a note saying, "Proposed B, but if the student wants an A, they must pass this specific assessment." You can't beat that level of pressure! 🙏🤦

It's interesting how much more lenient teachers are when rounding a 2.6 or 2.7 up to a 3.0, compared to the kids sitting at a 3.6 or 3.7 trying to reach a 4.0. They find it easiest to help the kids who need a passing grade or a slight nudge toward a C. That's why the real struggle is always for those hovering right at the edge of an A or a B. 😁

feralmoose32 said:My kid basically pulled straight A's on all his science tests throughout the entire school year
When you look at his oral presentations, class projects, and just his overall effort—he was definitely performing at an A+ level
So, naturally, his teacher gave him an A, but honestly? She could have easily handed him a B and I wouldn't have breathed a word against her... I even mentioned that to him, just so he understands that, by my own standards, he hasn't quite hit that top-tier excellence yet
But then again, he's only in fourth grade, so... 😁
urbantinker8 urbantinker8 Regular
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#1786 ·
🤷
Maybe it makes sense for the first four years of elementary school, I suppose, but when you start talking about middle or high school, it sounds pretty questionable to me.
I mean, if they’re referring to things like PE or art class where kids have to lug around specific gear or supplies, sure, but I doubt that would ever be officially logged as an "activity" or "engagement" in a teacher's gradebook.
northerntiger9 northerntiger9 Active Member
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#1787 ·
That specific section isn't there anymore—though some subjects have similar categories where you could basically slot in a grade like that. For instance, Tech has "independence and responsibility," PE covers "student engagement and developmental impact," and Art uses "productivity," and so on. These more specialized subjects don't have those explicit headers, so you're pretty much stuck using the teacher's notes. At my school, some professors just tack an effort grade onto whatever category fits—you can tell from the comments that the grade is actually based on being active in class, showing up, answering correctly, or joining discussions. Looking at his English grade, it seems the teacher just tucked his participation and effort under "listening comprehension."
mellowskipper mellowskipper Regular
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#1788 ·
urbantinker8 said:🤷
Maybe it makes sense for the first four years of elementary school, I suppose, but when you start talking about middle or high school, it sounds pretty questionable to me.
I mean, if they’re referring to things like PE or art class where kids have to lug around specific gear or supplies, sure, but I doubt that would ever be officially logged as an "activity" or "engagement" in a teacher's gradebook.

For example, look at how a typical US teacher does it: Checking notebooks, homework, and textbooks. Then assigning a grade under Writing.
rowdypanther12 rowdypanther12 Regular
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#1789 ·
If you just look at art class—their work ethic, how much they put into their sketches, their notebooks—and then technical studies, where we see their independence and sense of responsibility, plus PE, which shows how active they are and their overall discipline... there’s plenty to find there. You don't even need to bring music into it. 😁
Benjamin Johnson7 Benjamin Johnson7 Member
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#1790 ·
rustyowl7 said:I haven't even mentioned medical school to her, let alone HBO, which I suggested and she would have gladly bypassed ☕ but no, what do I know? 🤦

frozenrider15 said:HBO was my backup plan all along. 😁

One ought to think carefully AT&T, given that classes are held exclusively in the afternoons; apparently, the new school building is slated for completion by Easter 2024, though everything seems to be running at least six months behind schedule at this point.

English, German, and Italian are offered at the local vocational high school, though she is a bit of a whirlwind when it comes to math.
English, French, and Italian are available at Pojisan de.
German as a second language is part of the vocational curriculum.
French as a second language is at Pojisan de.
Spanish as an elective doesn't seem particularly enticing.☕
Sarah Hall53 Sarah Hall53 Regular
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#1791 ·
frozenrider15 said:I’ve been eyeing the pharmacy technician program at a local medical school. But looking at the numbers, it’s a bit grim. The cutoff was 73 points, sure, but the last person who actually snagged a spot last year had 76.57. The year before that? 77.72. With my track record—mostly Bs in math during middle school and just two Bs in eighth grade—I don't exactly look like a scholar. And I don't have any extra credit to lean on.
It honestly makes me feel for her. When I think back to my own high school days, I was sitting there with a C in math one year and an average that hovered right around a 3.0, yet I still managed to squeeze into a prep school. Looking back, I really feel for her struggle.

The thing is, though, with how much grade inflation there is nowadays, your grades would probably be straight As or pretty much a 4.0 anyway.
rowdypanther12 rowdypanther12 Regular
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#1792 ·
Sarah Hall53 said:The thing is, though, with how much grade inflation there is nowadays, your grades would probably be straight As or pretty much a 4.0 anyway.

That’s honestly the worst part—kids who actually earn their grades end up getting screwed over.
Kenneth Garcia9 Kenneth Garcia9 Member
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#1793 ·
Miley Cyrus said:Look, if someone actually enjoys picking at other people's struggles—like a kid failing a test or parents dealing with the fallout—they have no business being an effective or reliable professor. Just my two cents. 🤷

I’m looking back at the quoted post and I’m just lost on the logic here. frupy was simply pointing out the difference between a student who swings from a failing grade to a B through corrections all year long, versus a student who consistently pulls Bs and just misses an A by a single point. Where exactly is the "enjoyment" in that...
Larry Walker24 Larry Walker24 Veteran
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#1794 ·
Jose Wells3 said:Here’s how my kids are doing:

5th grade, averaging 4.6
4th grade, averaging 3.85
3rd grade, averaging 2.7.

Getting a D is a real struggle for them.

The grading criteria were laid out at the start of the school year. They aren't going to be identical for every single subject, and honestly, I don't get why there's even an argument here? Everything was made perfectly clear during that first parent-teacher meeting and in the very first week of classes when the teachers explained their specific standards to the kids.

It’s not as if we aren't obligated to follow through on this.

Sure, go ahead and pad those scores to a 4.6 and see how fast the IRS shows up at your door the next morning.
Jose Wells3 Jose Wells3 Active Member
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#1795 ·
Larry Walker24 said:Sure, go ahead and pad those scores to a 4.6 and see how fast the IRS shows up at your door the next morning.

Oh, I did. And I left a very detailed paper trail, too.

Nothing happened. Absolutely nothing.
Ronald Chavez2 Ronald Chavez2 Active Member
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joined Feb 2023
#1796 ·
How does this even happen? It’s common knowledge that every student and their parents are already starting from behind, just waiting for any little excuse to call in the state inspectors.
Michelle Nelson4 Michelle Nelson4 Regular
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#1797 ·
She was honestly my favorite professor because she’d go out of her way to explain which specific grading criteria actually mattered versus just looking at some "standard" GPA. That is, until I pointed out the math to her and showed her that her average was exactly what it looked like. After that, things took a rather entertaining turn 😁

Anyway, I’ve never been much of a fan of fluff—you know, all that talking where there isn't much substance behind it. And that was pretty much all I got from her. The funniest part? She kept insisting she had laid out all the grading rubrics right at the start, even though none of us had any clue. Based on the way she was rambling about it, I don't think she could even define them herself if she tried...
crimsonfox26 crimsonfox26 Member
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#1798 ·
According to the student handbook, the final grade doesn't necessarily have to be a direct calculation of the arithmetic mean.
Larry Walker24 Larry Walker24 Veteran
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#1799 ·
crimsonfox26 said:According to the student handbook, the final grade doesn't necessarily have to be a direct calculation of the arithmetic mean.

And then, as soon as the state inspectors show up, they just scrap everything and force you to use the arithmetic mean anyway.
Dennis Alvarez2 Dennis Alvarez2 Member
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#1800 ·
Kenneth Garcia9 said:I’m looking back at the quoted post and I’m just lost on the logic here. frupy was simply pointing out the difference between a student who swings from a failing grade to a B through corrections all year long, versus a student who consistently pulls Bs and just misses an A by a single point. Where exactly is the "enjoyment" in that...

Since I have already explained where the mockery lies, and given that your question remains while my response was deleted, it is clear that I was not in the right; in fact, quite the opposite. Your question stands, as does the message. I understood the sentiment, just as others did before me. I will not be participating or posting in this thread any longer; in fact, I intend to unsubscribe from this topic entirely. I am stepping away quietly and with dignity, or so I hope. 😁 Allow me a few final thoughts.

I believe one of the fundamental flaws in the American education system is not merely the lack of rigorous vetting during teacher hiring, but rather the inability to remove those weak links—the individuals who fail to perform their duties with honor, quality, and professionalism—once they are identified. These include, among others, the teachers who are arrogant, condescending, and unjust, openly favoring certain students while brutally penalizing others simply because they find them unlikable. They are the educators devoid of self-reflection, who refuse to engage in dialogue, who insist they are always right, and who aggressively impose their own values and views on everyone else. They demand constant obedience and submission from both children and parents, looking down upon them with contempt, mocking them, and living for the power trip every single year. They operate with shifting criteria, being lenient toward one child today and crushing another tomorrow. Unfortunately, many children and families are left permanently traumatized by such instructors, and many never reach their full potential because they simply could not survive being in the presence of such people.

These are the teachers who have lost their way and have no business in a classroom; once they enter the system, it seems only physical misconduct would be enough to force them out. They are often intellectually mediocre, having long since abandoned the idea of lifelong learning, and some struggle even to express themselves clearly, reserving their creative energy solely for belittling students from a position of authority. For years and decades, these individuals undermine their own profession and erode the public's trust in the entire school system. As long as such people remain untouchable and their negligence, incompetence, or lack of integrity goes unpunished, there can be no quality in our education, and reforms will achieve nothing. We will simply continue to go in circles. When unprofessionalism becomes the standard, when laziness is covered up, and when problems are swept under the rug, then we must truly worry for the sake of our citizens and our children...

Good luck to all the parents enrolling their children in high school this year; I wish you an enrollment process with minimal stress, anxiety, and apprehension. Most importantly, I hope your children find themselves satisfied with their chosen programs, learning from educators who are qualified, professional, stable, fair, and genuinely positive human beings. I hope they find schools where hiring is selective, where smart and honest teachers instruct, where criteria are transparent and convincing, and where there is healthy authority rooted in mutual respect. Best regards! 🙂

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