Pakistan

Musharraf plans a comeback in Pakistan

Former Pakistani President Pervez Musharraf has announced his intention to return to Pakistan to run for the presidency again.

Speaking to Sky, Pervez Musharraf dismissed the charges against him in Pakistan as purely political, claiming he still maintains massive support. "I have 500,000 followers on Facebook alone. 92 percent of them are Pakistani, and half are in the 18-35 age bracket," Musharraf noted.

Addressing the rising political clout of former cricket star Imran Khan, Musharraf remarked, "Imran Khan isn't an issue for me. Our voter bases are essentially equal. We both hold significant sway among the youth, women, and minority groups."

There are reports that Imran Khan isn't interested in teaming up with Musharraf should the former president return. For the last four years, the 69-year-old Pervez Musharraf has been living in London and Dubai, facing accusations back home regarding his alleged involvement in the assassination of Benazir Bhutto.

The exact date for Pakistan's general elections remains undecided. The National Assembly is expected to reach a final decision on the election schedule by March 18, 2013.http://www.trtbosanski.com/bs/news/d...pakistan/10822

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It’s time for Pakistan to get back under the steady hand of General Musharraf, who can restore order and crack down on Islamists and the Taliban. Democracy in Pakistan has done more harm than good; chaos, terror, and crime are tearing the country apart daily. The only way out is to return power to the General and the military junta.

Look, things might stabilize in Pakistan for a little while once he's back in power, but I don't buy it. Even in a place like Pakistan, a long-term dictatorship just isn't sustainable in this day and age. We’re really just looking at delaying the inevitable. It'll push today's mess back maybe ten years, and then we'll be right back where we started.

The recipe they're using for Pakistan is the exact same one they used on Egypt
which is basically what the UK and the USA are telling them:
"If you don't act like our satellites, expect total chaos in your own backyard."
Now they have to make their move.

rapidtiger7 said:The recipe they're using for Pakistan is the exact same one they used on Egypt
which is basically what the UK and the USA are telling them:
"If you don't act like our satellites, expect total chaos in your own backyard."
Now they have to make their move.

How exactly are Americans responsible for the chaos in Egypt?

rowdyowl said:How exactly are Americans responsible for the chaos in Egypt?

Look, Americans aren't to blame for toppling Mubarak. They didn't even want it to happen.
Things just spiraled totally out of control for them.

Now that this new Egyptian lightweight has taken over, he’s going to deal with nothing but pure mayhem in his own backyard. Honestly, the USA and Israel will be thrilled if Egypt stays messy. Chaos is way cheaper and easier for them than actually launching a military intervention.

The absolute worst-case scenario for them is
a stable Egypt that doesn't act like a US satellite state. That would be a threat to Israel, sure, but not really to the USA.
Egypt isn't a threat to America,
but a sovereign Egypt that refuses to be a puppet? That doesn't fit into the American vision of a unipolar world.

rapidtiger7 said:Look, Americans aren't to blame for toppling Mubarak. They didn't even want it to happen.
Things just spiraled totally out of control for them.

Now that this new Egyptian lightweight has taken over, he’s going to deal with nothing but pure mayhem in his own backyard. Honestly, the USA and Israel will be thrilled if Egypt stays messy. Chaos is way cheaper and easier for them than actually launching a military intervention.

The absolute worst-case scenario for them is
a stable Egypt that doesn't act like a US satellite state. That would be a threat to Israel, sure, but not really to the USA.
Egypt isn't a threat to America,
but a sovereign Egypt that refuses to be a puppet? That doesn't fit into the American vision of a unipolar world.

Yeah, we've all said this a thousand times already. I just didn't get the impression that was your take, so my bad—just a little misunderstanding.

rowdyowl said:Yeah, we've all said this a thousand times already. I just didn't get the impression that was your take, so my bad—just a little misunderstanding.

It’s all good.
You changed your tune too... you're actually willing to listen to the other side now... you've evolved.
Good stuff, glad to see it.

The absolute worst people in any debate are the trolls and the liars.

Pakistan has a nuclear weapon..
What absolute morons!
With that kind of money, they could have opened 100 schools and universities instead..!

Some Americans claim Pakistan is their most loyal ally... among all the usual US adversaries 🙂
While less optimistic Americans describe the relationship as a nightmare you just can't seem to wake up from... essentially trying to manage the fallout through sheer damage control ☕

Pakistan kicks off construction on a new Palestinian embassy in Islamabad

During a meeting in Islamabad with Mahmoud Abbas, the leader of the Palestinian Authority, Asif Ali Zardari announced that a Palestinian embassy is officially going up in Pakistan's capital.
According to reports from the Fars news agency, the Pakistani president made it clear during his sit-down with Mahmoud Abbas that his country isn't backing down from supporting the people in Palestine and Kashmir. Zardari also went after the construction of Israeli settlements on occupied Palestinian territory, calling on Tel Aviv to just stop building them already. Abbas thanked the Pakistani president for the commitment to build the embassy in Islamabad and added that he won't let Israel mess with the demographics of Palestine.

wearybear4

That embassy is gonna be sitting there for fifty years—just you wait and see...

Scott Kelly89 said:wearybear4

That embassy is gonna be sitting there for fifty years—just you wait and see...

If I’d seen this news a few years back, I would've been right there with you, but things have shifted lately. Pakistan is heading in a totally different direction now. Take that gas pipeline deal to bring Iranian gas into Pakistan—there's a good chance they'll eventually run a line straight to India, too. Even with all the pressure from the USA, they went ahead and signed that deal with Iran anyway. Plus, you've got Russia and China pushing hard to pull Pakistan into the Shanghai Cooperation Organization just to distance them from the USA and expand their own grip.

Honestly, that guy rants pretty well—it’s a shame he got slapped with a lifetime ban back in 2012. rapidtiger7 really knew how to lay it out.

The recipe for Pakistan is exactly the same as the one they used in Egypt.
The UK and the USA are sending them a message.
If you guys don't start acting like our satellites, expect nothing but pure chaos in your own backyards.
Now they can just pick.

This was back at the start of the year. Who knows what else is going to go down in this country...

Isn't it somewhat strange that a nation possessing nuclear weapons lacks full control over its own territory? China and Pakistan maintain an incredibly close bond—China is pouring roughly $30 billion into Pakistan, primarily targeting infrastructure—whereas Russia doesn't really have much of a connection there. And frankly, I doubt any significant friction with India will develop, given that the relationship between China and Pakistan isn't exactly warm with India... in fact, just a few days ago, we saw another exchange of gunfire between India and Pakistan

Tyler Jones6 said:Isn't it somewhat strange that a nation possessing nuclear weapons lacks full control over its own territory? China and Pakistan maintain an incredibly close bond—China is pouring roughly $30 billion into Pakistan, primarily targeting infrastructure—whereas Russia doesn't really have much of a connection there. And frankly, I doubt any significant friction with India will develop, given that the relationship between China and Pakistan isn't exactly warm with India... in fact, just a few days ago, we saw another exchange of gunfire between India and Pakistan

And yeah, I know Russia doesn't have much of a connection with Pakistan; their real ally is India. They've been tight from the USSR days all the way to now. But I read that China is pushing hard to get Pakistan into the Shanghai Cooperation Organization so they can slowly drift away from the USA. Once they team up with Iran, they'll be the ones running the show for peace after NATO leaves Afghanistan, especially since Iran is an ally to both Russia and China.

As for the tension with India, Pakistan might actually benefit from it. They'll be able to shut off the tap just like the Ukrainians did to the EU back when they were clashing with the Russians in 2009.

Scott Kelly89 said:That guy didn't know the forum rules. He messed up big time and got banned immediately. He even got into it with the admin, Zelenko. I saw the whole thing happen right here on this forum. Usually, the mods let you come back under a different name, but you have to play by the rules. All I can say is THANKS. On advance.hr, though, they have a massive problem—they ban your actual computer. They have zero tolerance for different opinions and lost a ton of readers. Such a shame because they aren't bad guys.
Cheers.

Yeah, I noticed a lot of users getting banned and then popping back up. You, Ringo, that Tenedor guy who was here twice... I could go on forever about what I've seen.
As for advance.hr, it's a decent site, but it's 100% anti-USA. To them, any country that opposes the States is "good." I've also seen them delete comments if they don't like what you have to say. And what do you mean by banning someone's computer?

I really wonder how the USA is going to react to this.
China's gaining way too much ground in the region, and they're getting tighter with Iran and Pakistan, which honestly sounds like a win to me.

China is building a naval base at a port in Pakistan right on the Arabian Sea. Typical.
China is basically making a massive power move against the West. They’re about to have their own port in the Arabian Sea within the next year, even though it's thousands of miles from their borders. The Pakistani government just handed over the keys to the Gwadar port, giving Beijing a huge commercial and military foothold right near the Persian Gulf.

Beijing is basically cutting the trip in half for those Chinese tankers hauling oil and gas home. They just announced plans to build a massive pipeline straight from the port to their own backyard. But let's be real—shipping commodities isn't the only reason China is obsessed with Gwadar. They dumped something like $250 million into building that port over the last few years, and my gut says there's a bigger play here. It looks like Gwadar could become the main hub for the Chinese Navy, giving them a permanent foothold to protect their interests out in the Middle East.

China’s Hua Chunying just announced they're teaming up with Pakistan to build out joint projects. Basically, China has been flexing its muscles in the Pacific all year, turning into a massive naval powerhouse—they even just launched their first aircraft carrier. Naturally, India is losing its mind over this, seeing the whole Chinese presence in Pakistan as a major threat to peace.
I can't open that link, man. Looks like it's broken or something. What was it supposed to be?
[Link to image: Gwadar]

Iran and Pakistan just signed a security deal. Finally.
The Iranian Minister of Interior and the Pakistani acting Minister of Interior just inked a security deal. According to ISNA, Mustafa Muhammad Najar and Rehman Malik officially signed off on the agreement.
Mustafa Muhammad Najar called out those recent terrorist moves in Quetta, basically saying that kind of criminal crap goes against everything the US stands for. He pointed out that the whole goal behind these attacks is just to stir up tension between Shias and Sunnis to mess with stability in the country. He also mentioned how both countries are trying to step up cooperation to keep things steady in the region. Apparently, Ahmadinejad and Asif Ali Zardari already talked about beefing up ties during their last meetings, so this visit from the acting minister is just following through on what the presidents agreed to. The main plan is to tighten up the borders, crack down on organized crime, swap intel, and finally get serious about stopping drug and human trafficking.

Things are about to get messy in Pakistan again. The US knows they're losing their grip there; they're getting way closer to Iran, especially with this new pipeline deal where Iran is footing the bill for an oil refinery. Plus, China is tightening its hold, having just signed that lease for the port in Gwadar a month ago. Now, the Americans want to drag their old guy Pervez Musharraf back into power. Personally, I hope they just throw him straight in jail the second he lands. If he's actually tied to that former PM's murder, he should be looking at a massive prison sentence.

Pakistan: Musharraf says he's coming home from exile

DUBAI - Former Pakistani President Pervez Musharraf announced he’ll be ending his self-imposed exile by the end of the month to run in the upcoming parliamentary elections.

Musharraf promised to return on March 24th to lead his party through the spring elections.

If the former president keeps his word, he could face immediate arrest due to suspicions linking him to the assassination of former PM Benazir Bhutto, according to AP.

Supporters of Musharraf and his All Pakistan Muslim League have already started showing up in Dubai, where Musharraf has been living since he was ousted in 2008, according to party representative Haris.

Haris mentioned that about 250 supporters will be heading back to Pakistan alongside Musharraf.

Musharraf originally seized power via a coup back in 1999.

In Pakistan, he remains a suspect in the conspiracy behind the 2007 killing of Benazir Bhutto.

Haris dismissed the allegations as total nonsense, claiming Musharraf is ready to prove his innocence in court.

Kukuljević, man, I don't know what you’ve been reading lately, but if we’re looking at the same facts, this is how things actually shake out:

- Those kids are being used by extremists and separatists—specifically that so-called United Baloch Army group.
- The whole thing with arresting those kids and breaking up those little groups? That was handled by Pakistani security forces and the police.
- Let's be real, the United Baloch Army and its various branches are definitely a terrorist organization—they've pulled off a ton of deadly attacks across Iran and Pakistan.
- The folks backing Baloch separatism are basically the USA and that Zionist entity in Palestine. In fact, the former Pakistani Minister of Interior and intelligence officer, Rehman Malik, called them out on it big time.
- You even have official confirmation and support for Baloch separatism coming from a US Congressman, Dan Rohrbacher—he openly pushed for Baloch independence, all seemingly to mess with Pakistan and create a zone of instability just to weaken Iran.

Check it out here:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-17182978

I keep a close eye on these details because they're totally tied into everything going on with Iran—plus, there's this other huge factor, the Iran-Pakistan pipeline, which runs right through Balochistan territory.

Bottom line, it’s pretty obvious who's stirring up the Baloch situation. I've laid out the names, the initiatives, the quotes, and the sources right above, so when it comes to this whole exploitation of children, we know exactly where to point the finger: toward the American and Zionist power centers... Honestly, it's wild, though I guess I shouldn't even be surprised 😕!?

Young Pakistanis aren't going to buy into Western democracy.

Islamabad — A new poll just dropped, and it’s wild: over half the youth in Pakistan think the Western democratic model is a total bust for their country. Even crazier? About a third would actually prefer living under a military dictatorship, and 40 percent are backing Sharia law. Crazy stuff.

The general elections in Pakistan are set for May 11th, and honestly, this could be huge. For once, the government actually finished its five-year term, which is wild given how messy things have always been over there—between the Taliban attacks, sectarian fighting, constant blackouts, and an economy that’s basically on life support.

Honestly, everything just screams how hopeless people feel about politics in the 18 to 29 age bracket. Like, 96% of them think this country is heading straight off a cliff, and almost a third would actually prefer living under a military dictatorship over a democracy. Only 29% see democracy as the best way forward for the USA—specifically an Islamic republic—while 38% are leaning toward Sharia, claiming it’s the better path for law, freedom, and tolerance. It's pretty wild.

The report basically says nobody they talked to has actually lived under an Islamist regime, so they’re all just guessing. Honestly, some of these people have way too high an opinion of what that kind of system would actually bring to the table.

So, there are over 25 million registered voters in Pakistan between 18 and 29, which is basically 30% of the whole voting block. According to a recent study, young people are mostly losing sleep over inflation and unemployment. Only about ten percent actually listed terrorism as their top concern for the country. Honestly, feels like everyone's just trying to pay rent these days.

Latest news just dropped.
The US is looking to slap sanctions on Pakistan over that Iran-Pakistan pipeline deal. Typical.

Ahmadinejad's response:

Mahmoud Ahmadinejad just gave Washington a reality check, telling them that this specific pipeline has absolutely zero to do with any nuclear stuff. He basically said that foreign agitators are just looking for any excuse to stall progress for both Iran and Pakistan by pointing at our nuclear program. Like, seriously? The pipeline and the nuclear issue are two completely different things. You can't just whip up an atomic bomb using natural gas. Seriously, people need to stop acting like they're in a sci-fi movie."That's what the Iranian president said," he remarked.

Nancy Wood6, why on earth would the USA back separatists in Pakistan when that just makes controlling the country a massive headache? 🤷

Edward Sanchez69 said:Pakistan has a nuclear weapon..
What absolute morons!
With that kind of money, they could have opened 100 schools and universities instead..!

Pakistan has thousands of schools and colleges; their students don't need to head to the EU, USA, or Russia just to find a dorm room like students from India often do. Speaking of nuclear weapons, experts were trained and equipped with tech not just for Pakistan, but for North Korea, Iran, and other volatile regions that pose a genuine threat to global security... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XtRUiqejzIQ On April 4, 1975, a young scientist spent an entire night surrounded by blueprints from the offices of the Dutch nuclear firm Urenco. Every single one was marked "Top Secret." That thief was Dr. A.Q. Khan, a Pakistani nuclear scientist working in the Netherlands. His job gave him direct access to the most sensitive part of the nuclear process—centrifuges, those hollow metal tubes that spin at high speeds to enrich uranium and create nuclear fuel. The CIA caught wind of his activities quickly because he started asking too many questions about how to produce raw materials for a bomb, prompting his employer to move him to a less sensitive role. It was already too late; Khan had already swiped the centrifuge designs and fled back to Pakistan. There, he became the architect of their atomic program, built entirely on the stolen Urenco plans. Interestingly, the CIA actually told the Dutch twice not to arrest him. They wanted to track him to infiltrate the nuclear black market, but Khan was always one step ahead. While Pakistani leaders repeatedly assured the West they had no interest in building a bomb, a group of generals and politicians gathered around Dr. Khan in the Pakistani wilderness in 1998 to witness the testing of his design. A series of five massive explosions shook the world stage. Suddenly, Pakistan was declared a nuclear power, and Dr. Khan was hailed as a national hero. Along with the fame came wealth; intelligence reports later revealed that Khan was selling his nuclear expertise to Iran, North Korea, and anyone else with enough cash to buy it.