Masons, chakras, spirituality, Satanism... I'm CONFUSED

There aren't actually 33 degrees. There are only three, and they're consistent across all lodges.

However, those extra levels exist within certain organizations—specifically groups that only admit people who are already established Masons, which means they have their own internal hierarchies and tiers. There are quite a few such organizations, three of which are particularly influential and prominent, and one of them utilizes those 33 degrees.

Of course, this all applies to the English tradition, not the French style.

Jeremy Ross said:I feel like I've already touched on this quite a bit in this thread:

Quincy:

Masons hate me. They follow me everywhere I go, trying their best to eavesdrop on my private conversations. They’ve jumped me, tried to kidnap me, and for quite some time, they spent every single day of my life trying to kill me. Sometimes their wives will even dress up—say, as nuns, or as a Muslim woman (headscarves and all)—just to trick me, though it never actually works. I have seen such pure evil in them that it isn't even natural. It makes me convinced that about 50% of all Masons are possessed by demons. So, half-devil, half-human. It probably stems from the sin that pours out of their mouths. Basically, sin on the outside -> demon on the inside.

To me, this sounds more like paranoia regarding the Masons than actual Masons themselves!!??😕

Paranoia:
To people like that, the world is a minefield, and they’re always sniffing out these hidden, non-existent threats. A Paranoid person is deeply convinced that their thoughts are absolute truth—their only reality, really—so they view any disagreement as a direct act of hostility.
Do you get the feeling you're being followed? Are you never quite sure where your spouse is or who they're with? Do you suspect a coworker is spying on you and reporting your daily routine back to the boss? Is your dear neighbor's grandson definitely the one responsible for the break-in at your house (because she gave him your schedule)? When you walk into a room, does it feel like everyone starts whispering and gossiping about *you* specifically?


Are you being serious right now, or are you just messing with us? 😲 😁

bluemason3 said:There aren't actually 33 degrees. There are only three, and they're consistent across all lodges.

However, those extra levels exist within certain organizations—specifically groups that only admit people who are already established Masons, which means they have their own internal hierarchies and tiers. There are quite a few such organizations, three of which are particularly influential and prominent, and one of them utilizes those 33 degrees.

Of course, this all applies to the English tradition, not the French style.

What do you mean they don't exist? When I mention 33°, it’s patently obvious I’m referring to the Scottish Rite. It remains a murky mystery who these people actually are or what they represent, creating a perfect vacuum for speculation.
Since we are discussing spirituality, I find myself wondering how they even claim any connection to it. Most of them strike me as nothing more than thieves or war criminals—individuals clearly devoid of any shred of empathy. Or perhaps they slip some ayahuasca into their drinks during those skull-shaped meetings, leaving them under the delusion that they've swallowed all the wisdom in the universe? 🤣

Quentin Tarantino

Nancy Doyle said:What do you mean they don't exist? When I mention 33°, it’s patently obvious I’m referring to the Scottish Rite. It remains a murky mystery who these people actually are or what they represent, creating a perfect vacuum for speculation.
Since we are discussing spirituality, I find myself wondering how they even claim any connection to it. Most of them strike me as nothing more than thieves or war criminals—individuals clearly devoid of any shred of empathy. Or perhaps they slip some ayahuasca into their drinks during those skull-shaped meetings, leaving them under the delusion that they've swallowed all the wisdom in the universe? 🤣

It’s confusing because people keep bringing this up as if we're talking about various levels of Freemasonry, which just isn't right. No matter who you are within the Scottish Rite, if you're in those foundational lodges, you aren't going past the third degree.

Besides, why is there such a massive push for those 33 Scots while everyone just ignores New York City? Is it just because it sounds nice and symbolic?

It feels to me like most of them are just old guys hanging out in some exclusive men's club. They don't seem to have any real grasp on the influence stemming from the Civil War era—though, to be fair, even back then, that impact was probably more indirect than direct.

Personally, I find all this talk about spirituality and mysticism—along with those massive global power players—to be pretty overblown.

bluemason3 said:Quentin Tarantino

It’s confusing because people keep bringing this up as if we're talking about various levels of Freemasonry, which just isn't right. No matter who you are within the Scottish Rite, if you're in those foundational lodges, you aren't going past the third degree.

Besides, why is there such a massive push for those 33 Scots while everyone just ignores New York City? Is it just because it sounds nice and symbolic?

It feels to me like most of them are just old guys hanging out in some exclusive men's club. They don't seem to have any real grasp on the influence stemming from the Civil War era—though, to be fair, even back then, that impact was probably more indirect than direct.

Personally, I find all this talk about spirituality and mysticism—along with those massive global power players—to be pretty overblown.

New York City doesn't sound "cool" enough since it lacks that 33rd degree, stopping at just a few steps 🙂. Meanwhile, Memphis is almost never mentioned in conspiracy circles despite having 99 degrees. That doesn't imply any actual progress in any meaningful sense; they are merely symbolic stages where certain plays are performed and lessons are imparted before moving on. It's much like the ancient Greek dramas used to convey moral teachings.

Precisely. In the past, they were essentially just older gentlemen who enjoyed socializing outside of work and exchanging interests, but it hasn't been nearly what it once was. Freemasonry was a driving force behind many secular movements in the 18th century, it began to fade in the 19th, and by the 20th century, it had opened up to the general public—and today, it's even more accessible. It remains discreet and somewhat private solely for traditional reasons. However, there aren't any grand, sweeping secrets hidden away; it's really just the experience of belonging to a group. You can find everything online—the greetings, the handshakes, the passwords, the articles, books, even videos of rituals or their transcriptions. There truly is no great mystery there.

Freemasonry lost its revolutionary spirit long ago, leaving behind only a social club in the narrowest sense. Even the Masons themselves grumble, criticizing their peers and the current state of modern Freemasonry because they feel things have become too diluted and that membership standards are slipping. From the folks I've spoken with, opinions seem incredibly divided and varied from one person to the next. Trying to lump all Masons or entire groups into one single bucket with identical traits and ideologies is simply absurd. It's a real melting pot. The right wing is always the first to jump on demonizing certain groups that advocate for cosmopolitanism and liberalism, which you see in almost every major source of conspiracy theories. Many of them, if not all, are driven by extreme orientations.

As for Masonic spirituality, even many Masons can't reach a consensus on what that actually entails. For most, it's a matter of Masonic ethics and virtues rooted in the cardinal virtues of classical philosophy combined partly with theological virtues. Now... some are esoterics, some believe chivalric ideals and ethics are sufficient, some meditate while others don't, some lean toward yoga or Taoism, and others couldn't care less. Some are more interested in making donations and philanthropy than engaging in philosophical debates about the nature of good. It’s a colorful spectrum. Just like in politics—not everyone shares the same preferences.

So, it is incredibly difficult, if not outright foolish, to link entire organizations to one specific set of characteristics.

I wouldn't go so far as to say they've lost their edge; if anything, I suspect they are more potent now than they have ever been. If you look at certain historical records, it appears that only Abraham Lincoln and John F. Kennedy stand out among the American presidents as having not been part of the 33°. One..
In my view, hitting that 33rd parallel is more than enough to qualify for a seat as a Prime Minister or a President anywhere on the map; it’s a threshold that defines leadership, though the actual architects behind those appointments remain shrouded in shadow. You can be certain it isn't the people casting ballots during an election who are pulling those strings.
Let’s assume, for the sake of argument, that even if the votes are actually being counted, the entire slate of candidates has been pre-selected by design.

In this part of the country, power tends to concentrate within the local Rotary Clubs, which some theorists argue serve merely as entry points for Freemasonry. The Lions Club operates along much the same lines, though they have certainly lost their edge over the years. Their high-society charity galas are, frankly, an insult to anyone with a functioning intellect. They’ll charge ten thousand dollars for a ticket to support some hospital, yet the attendees will likely blow that exact same amount just on the festivities that evening; the math of their "humanitarianism" simply doesn't add up. Perhaps such theater works at more superficial levels of society, but calling someone like George W. Bush a humanitarian is nothing short of nauseating.

Nancy Doyle said:I wouldn't go so far as to say they've lost their edge; if anything, I suspect they are more potent now than they have ever been. If you look at certain historical records, it appears that only Abraham Lincoln and John F. Kennedy stand out among the American presidents as having not been part of the 33°. One..
In my view, hitting that 33rd parallel is more than enough to qualify for a seat as a Prime Minister or a President anywhere on the map; it’s a threshold that defines leadership, though the actual architects behind those appointments remain shrouded in shadow. You can be certain it isn't the people casting ballots during an election who are pulling those strings.
Let’s assume, for the sake of argument, that even if the votes are actually being counted, the entire slate of candidates has been pre-selected by design.

In this part of the country, power tends to concentrate within the local Rotary Clubs, which some theorists argue serve merely as entry points for Freemasonry. The Lions Club operates along much the same lines, though they have certainly lost their edge over the years. Their high-society charity galas are, frankly, an insult to anyone with a functioning intellect. They’ll charge ten thousand dollars for a ticket to support some hospital, yet the attendees will likely blow that exact same amount just on the festivities that evening; the math of their "humanitarianism" simply doesn't add up. Perhaps such theater works at more superficial levels of society, but calling someone like George W. Bush a humanitarian is nothing short of nauseating.

Does it mean that when candidates are chosen during U.S. primaries or at party conventions here, the voting is rigged? Do you think that happens here too? Do you think Joe Biden is a Mason who was a hand-picked candidate? 🤣

I don't see any need for filters. If you're interested, contact a Masonic lodge directly. From what I understand, the rule is that a candidate has to seek membership themselves; they aren't recruited. After that, they enter a specific procedure—I've forgotten the exact details. No filters, no mysteries, no nonsense. 😳

Quentin Tarantino

bluemason3 said:Does it mean that when candidates are chosen during U.S. primaries or at party conventions here, the voting is rigged? Do you think that happens here too? Do you think Joe Biden is a Mason who was a hand-picked candidate? 🤣

I don't see any need for filters. If you're interested, contact a Masonic lodge directly. From what I understand, the rule is that a candidate has to seek membership themselves; they aren't recruited. After that, they enter a specific procedure—I've forgotten the exact details. No filters, no mysteries, no nonsense. 😳

Whether we are looking at an election or not, you can rest easy knowing the candidates are thoroughly prepared. As for Biden, I can’t say for certain, but he remains under the watchful eye of Henry Kissinger, much like how Rod Blagojevich used to be managed. It’s just a bit of schooling in Vienna, I suppose; at least we are following a global trend in that regard. 😁

Regarding how one actually gains entry, I suspect it requires a recommendation from someone already within the inner circle followed by a secret ballot. Or perhaps they’ve streamlined the process lately because their membership numbers are cratering due to all the internal conspiracies. I can't say for certain. I'll give that coward a call tomorrow to ask him directly, then I'll let you know. 🤣

Nancy Doyle said:Quentin Tarantino

Whether we are looking at an election or not, you can rest easy knowing the candidates are thoroughly prepared. As for Biden, I can’t say for certain, but he remains under the watchful eye of Henry Kissinger, much like how Rod Blagojevich used to be managed. It’s just a bit of schooling in Vienna, I suppose; at least we are following a global trend in that regard. 😁

Regarding how one actually gains entry, I suspect it requires a recommendation from someone already within the inner circle followed by a secret ballot. Or perhaps they’ve streamlined the process lately because their membership numbers are cratering due to all the internal conspiracies. I can't say for certain. I'll give that coward a call tomorrow to ask him directly, then I'll let you know. 🤣

You didn't answer me. They hold elections, and nobody ever complains about them being rigged. No one appoints them directly. Does that mean everyone voting is part of Freemasonry, or just members of a political party—or at least a large enough majority to manipulate the outcome? Or are the elections just so skillfully faked that no one suspects a thing? And what happens to those pushed out by a new election? Take the Democratic Party, for example; the old guard, the most powerful people in the party and sometimes even in the country, have vanished. Is it factional warfare among the Freemasons?
That's some heavy nonsense right there. I mention the Democratic Party because I have info through a family member who is an official in the party. It’s normal to have power struggles, and sure, there might be some backroom deals, but there aren't any massive, hidden, supranational conspiracies or machinations. There's zero evidence for anything like that.

Sure, we might just be a provincial bunch, but the principle is the same wherever democratic elections happen. For any small clique to exert that kind of control over the entire party and state machinery—with so many different bodies checking each other—their numbers and logistics would have to be on a much larger scale. Honestly, it's impossible, unless we start believing in alien mind-control technology or something.😁

bluemason3 said:You didn't answer me. They hold elections, and nobody ever complains about them being rigged. No one appoints them directly. Does that mean everyone voting is part of Freemasonry, or just members of a political party—or at least a large enough majority to manipulate the outcome? Or are the elections just so skillfully faked that no one suspects a thing? And what happens to those pushed out by a new election? Take the Democratic Party, for example; the old guard, the most powerful people in the party and sometimes even in the country, have vanished. Is it factional warfare among the Freemasons?
That's some heavy nonsense right there. I mention the Democratic Party because I have info through a family member who is an official in the party. It’s normal to have power struggles, and sure, there might be some backroom deals, but there aren't any massive, hidden, supranational conspiracies or machinations. There's zero evidence for anything like that.

Sure, we might just be a provincial bunch, but the principle is the same wherever democratic elections happen. For any small clique to exert that kind of control over the entire party and state machinery—with so many different bodies checking each other—their numbers and logistics would have to be on a much larger scale. Honestly, it's impossible, unless we start believing in alien mind-control technology or something.😁

It’s certainly possible he’s a Mason. He should probably do some digging and Google it, though I couldn't care less. I recall an article from about five or six years ago in a national publication suggesting that both Joe Biden and Rod Blagojevich were in the same circles in Vienna, maybe even sitting in the same classrooms. 🤣 Then there’s that business with Mike Johnson marrying Joe Biden's sister and so on... they are so tightly intertwined that they can perform these staged arguments. After all, people don't say it without reason when they claim the communists (Democratic Party) and the fascists (Republican Party) are essentially two sides of the same coin.
You hit the nail on the head calling us a backwater. Now we’ve wandered off into politics and conspiracy theories, but the Freemasons hold high positions in the film and music industries, which, in my view, is far more dangerous than politics.

mellowranger11 said:Hey everyone, I'm assuming this is the right sub-forum for this topic—if not, my bad.

So, here’s the deal. For a few years now, I’ve been diving deep into spirituality. It started because I began experiencing some weird stuff myself—stuff I’d actually felt since I was a kid but just chalked up to being "normal"—and I couldn't explain it. Through all this digging, I started finding connections to chakras, specifically the "Amy" chakra, and general spirituality, which wasn't really on my radar before.

But honestly? The more books I read on this stuff and the deeper I go down the rabbit hole, the less I feel like I actually know. At first, I was really into studying meditation, chakras, their effects, and all that good stuff. But then, I stumbled upon this one website about "power meditations." They described all these different techniques—which are slightly off from the mainstream stuff you usually hear about—and apparently, the knowledge comes from a Satanic source. Basically, the site itself is part of some Satanic movement that argues Christianity has totally misinterpreted Satanism and such.

Look, I grew up Christian. I’m not active in the church anymore, though—I can't stand how the "church" operates these days, what with the greed and the constant hunt for money and all that. Anyway, this whole thing is starting to mess with my head. Because when I read about chakras, spiritual growth, and the techniques used to achieve it... those exact same methods show up in this Satanic "cult," or whatever you want to call it, where they claim everything stems from Satan himself.

On top of that, during this research spree, I ran into the "Masons." I still can't wrap my head around what they actually *are*. One story says they’re these secret societies pulling the strings of the world, chasing power, acting like supreme rulers and whatnot. But then another story claims they’re just guardians of ancient spiritual wisdom, focusing on self-development—strengthening chakras, auras, etc.—while also climbing the ladder to hold high-ranking positions in government (which makes zero sense to me). Plus, they're supposedly "bringers of light" and spiritual seekers, but reading accounts from people who went through their initiations? That doesn't look like "light" or any kind of "goodness" to me. During these initiations, they go through these insane, bizarre rituals where they have to do things that make absolutely no sense if you have a shred of common sense—like cooking and eating "fresh" human body parts just to prove themselves. There is absolutely no way that has anything to do with spiritual growth or being a good person.

Just please, don't come at me with the "you don't know anything" attitude. I’ll be the first to admit I'm lost. Like I said, the more I investigate, the more it feels like total nonsense, which is why I decided to start this thread. I’m hoping if anyone actually knows more about these topics or the connections between them, you can clear some things up for me. Specifically, if "Masons" even exist—and if by some chance anyone on this forum is actually part of that group—could you explain what they really are? Even if it's just a private message, keep it anonymous, but please, because one side says one thing and the other side says the complete opposite. And for anyone else into spiritual development, please weigh in. Tell me about the meditative techniques you use, and whether you know EXACTLY where they actually come from.

Seriously, the more I dig, the more I feel like I'm standing in the dark. I would really appreciate some clarity. Thanks in advance.🙂

You claim you were raised Christian, yet you aren't active in the faith. Instead, you've turned your attention toward other spiritual paths. Does this exploration of various disciplines happen independently of your upbringing, or is it a reaction against it? Is it common for those delving into spirituality to explore almost everything except Christianity? When I say Christianity, I am not merely referring to the Catholic Church, but including Protestantism and Eastern Orthodoxy as well. Since you are already on this journey, I would suggest you direct some of your research toward the Christian tradition. There are profound mystics and spiritual figures worth studying, such as St. John of the Cross (specifically his work *Dark Night of the Soul*), St. Teresa of Avila, or St. Anthony the Hermit. One can find equally compelling insights within Orthodoxy. I would also recommend the book "from rags to riches" by Jacques Verlinde, who served as the former secretary to the Indian guru Maharishi Mahesh Yogi—a man widely known in the West as the founder of Transcendental Meditation and the "science of creative intelligence." The book provides a scholarly yet experiential look at the core tenets of Eastern spirituality, such as Buddhism and Hinduism, while offering comparisons to Christianity.

I can't speak for everyone else, but I've read most of the authors mentioned (Anthony, Theresa, John...) along with several others, including some Eastern perspectives where I could get my hands on them.

Verlinde is a solid guy. He’s nothing like our local Blazevac, who spends half his time ripping off other people's ideas—acting like a fanatic bulldog instead of a rational intellectual like Verlinde.

That said, he doesn't have a deep grasp of Buddhism or Hinduism, nor does that really impact his scientific credibility. He was part of a Western-based sect, so he views Hinduism through that specific lens. It’s a bit like someone who only knows Christianity through the Mormons and then tries to challenge traditional Christianity by presenting their new belief system as the ultimate counter-argument. I haven't come across a single Catholic author who shows deep knowledge of the very things they reject, which is somewhat expected. Apologetics, by definition, requires fixed positions regarding religious systems, which inherently makes us selective and biased. It works both ways, of course. When Eastern scholars try to reinterpret Christianity by injecting their own narratives or finding things in the Bible that just aren't there (like reincarnation), it's the same thing.

It all boils down to an endless struggle for dominance using arguments that rarely hold water. But honestly, it doesn't matter. In a world where people write and read facts, nobody actually cares, even though everyone loves to convince themselves through various rationalizations that their opinions are somehow objective and unbiased.

bluemason3 said:I can't speak for everyone else, but I've read most of the authors mentioned (Anthony, Theresa, John...) along with several others, including some Eastern perspectives where I could get my hands on them.

Verlinde is a solid guy. He’s nothing like our local Blazevac, who spends half his time ripping off other people's ideas—acting like a fanatic bulldog instead of a rational intellectual like Verlinde.

That said, he doesn't have a deep grasp of Buddhism or Hinduism, nor does that really impact his scientific credibility. He was part of a Western-based sect, so he views Hinduism through that specific lens. It’s a bit like someone who only knows Christianity through the Mormons and then tries to challenge traditional Christianity by presenting their new belief system as the ultimate counter-argument. I haven't come across a single Catholic author who shows deep knowledge of the very things they reject, which is somewhat expected. Apologetics, by definition, requires fixed positions regarding religious systems, which inherently makes us selective and biased. It works both ways, of course. When Eastern scholars try to reinterpret Christianity by injecting their own narratives or finding things in the Bible that just aren't there (like reincarnation), it's the same thing.

It all boils down to an endless struggle for dominance using arguments that rarely hold water. But honestly, it doesn't matter. In a world where people write and read facts, nobody actually cares, even though everyone loves to convince themselves through various rationalizations that their opinions are somehow objective and unbiased.

I believe one can learn quite a few fundamental principles of Hinduism and Buddhism from Verlinde's book, "from rags to riches." While it certainly isn't an exhaustive survey, it provides a glimpse into the core tenets of those religions.

Olivia Thomas said:I believe one can learn quite a few fundamental principles of Hinduism and Buddhism from Verlinde's book, "from rags to riches." While it certainly isn't an exhaustive survey, it provides a glimpse into the core tenets of those religions.

Not really. Like I said before, Verlinde is fine—he’s got a reasonable perspective, he doesn't overpraise or unnecessarily bash anything, and he sticks to his own experiences without falling into fanaticism. But the issue is he simply doesn't know the subject matter. He isn't presenting Hinduism or Buddhism; he's presenting the specific sect he belonged to and its particular interpretations, which is a completely different thing.

Take his take on Christians, for example. It’s a classic trope where they claim the "East" (yet another lazy term for a massive, diverse region) relies on impersonal self-reliance for salvation, whereas Christianity holds the advantage because it relies on God's grace rather than one's own strength.

In reality, Advaita Vedanta—which is impersonal—is an elitist, minority school within Hinduism. Most traditions are actually dualistic*, especially the Vaishnava traditions. They are remarkably similar to Christianity: salvation is achieved through divine grace, and practice boils down to devotion and building a relationship with that perceived Divinity.

The bottom line is that we have spiritual entrepreneurs in the West who are essentially creating modern sects based on Hindu heritage, tailored specifically to Western needs and circumstances. These aren't the same things you find in India, and some practices are way more prominent here than they ever were there. For instance, Hatha Yoga only became mainstream in India after it gained popularity in the West; it wasn't originally a mass-market thing. People like Verlinde then mistake this modified Western narrative for the general Indian experience. They make judgments based on it, or people like Blazevac declare themselves experts on Eastern philosophy, even though about 80% of their claims are factually wrong. I don't mean they are wrong theologically or philosophically, but their verifiable facts are off, proving they don't actually know the material they are lecturing on.

* not in the sense of the common Western usage describing a theological system of two gods—good and evil—but in terms of how Indian philosophies view the relationship between individual consciousness, God, and external reality. Non-dualists believe only Brahman is real and that all duality (our personality, a separate God, the physical world) is an illusion.
Most traditional dualistic schools believe God is a distinct personality, partially or fully separate, and spirituality centers on our relationship with Him. But even there, a kind of "Neo-Hindu pop spirituality" is spreading, mixing everything together. I have no idea what the actual percentages are compared to traditional paths anymore, much like how self-proclaimed Christians here often practice things that have nothing to do with official Church theology.

bluemason3 said:Not really. Like I said before, Verlinde is fine—he’s got a reasonable perspective, he doesn't overpraise or unnecessarily bash anything, and he sticks to his own experiences without falling into fanaticism. But the issue is he simply doesn't know the subject matter. He isn't presenting Hinduism or Buddhism; he's presenting the specific sect he belonged to and its particular interpretations, which is a completely different thing.

Take his take on Christians, for example. It’s a classic trope where they claim the "East" (yet another lazy term for a massive, diverse region) relies on impersonal self-reliance for salvation, whereas Christianity holds the advantage because it relies on God's grace rather than one's own strength.

In reality, Advaita Vedanta—which is impersonal—is an elitist, minority school within Hinduism. Most traditions are actually dualistic*, especially the Vaishnava traditions. They are remarkably similar to Christianity: salvation is achieved through divine grace, and practice boils down to devotion and building a relationship with that perceived Divinity.

The bottom line is that we have spiritual entrepreneurs in the West who are essentially creating modern sects based on Hindu heritage, tailored specifically to Western needs and circumstances. These aren't the same things you find in India, and some practices are way more prominent here than they ever were there. For instance, Hatha Yoga only became mainstream in India after it gained popularity in the West; it wasn't originally a mass-market thing. People like Verlinde then mistake this modified Western narrative for the general Indian experience. They make judgments based on it, or people like Blazevac declare themselves experts on Eastern philosophy, even though about 80% of their claims are factually wrong. I don't mean they are wrong theologically or philosophically, but their verifiable facts are off, proving they don't actually know the material they are lecturing on.

* not in the sense of the common Western usage describing a theological system of two gods—good and evil—but in terms of how Indian philosophies view the relationship between individual consciousness, God, and external reality. Non-dualists believe only Brahman is real and that all duality (our personality, a separate God, the physical world) is an illusion.
Most traditional dualistic schools believe God is a distinct personality, partially or fully separate, and spirituality centers on our relationship with Him. But even there, a kind of "Neo-Hindu pop spirituality" is spreading, mixing everything together. I have no idea what the actual percentages are compared to traditional paths anymore, much like how self-proclaimed Christians here often practice things that have nothing to do with official Church theology.

Have you read "from rags to riches"?

sure enough

of course

Quentin Tarantino

bluemason3 As stated by: In the West, you primarily encounter spiritual entrepreneurs who construct modern sects based on Hindu traditions, specifically tailored to suit Western needs and circumstances. They aren't identical to what you find in India, and frankly, certain movements gain traction here that are barely even recognized back home. Take Hatha yoga, for example; it only achieved widespread popularity in India after being embraced by the West. It wasn't exactly a mass phenomenon originally. Then you have individuals like Verlinde, who take this fundamentally altered Western narrative and present it as some universal Indian truth. Based on this distortion, they offer their assessments—or worse, people like Blazevic declare themselves experts on the East. The problem isn't necessarily their theological or philosophical values; it’s that roughly 80% of their claims fail on a purely factual level. Their statements simply don't hold up to scrutiny, proving they lack any actual knowledge of the subjects they lecture on. * I am not referring to the common Western tendency to treat the term as a theological system involving two opposing deities—good versus evil. Rather, I am speaking of the divisions found within Indian philosophies regarding the relationship between individual consciousness, God, and universal manifestation. A non-dualistic Manichaeism would posit that only the Brahmin is true reality, while every form of duality—our personality, a separate God, or the material world itself—is merely an illusion. In many traditional dualistic schools, there is a prevailing belief that God exists as a partially or entirely separate entity; consequently, spirituality often boils down to our individual relationship with that divine persona. However, we are seeing a resurgence of this neo-Hindu pop spirituality that blends everything together into a vague slurry. One has to wonder what the actual percentages look like today compared to those traditional paths? It is much like the self-proclaimed Christians here in America—in practice, most people believe in whatever they feel like, regardless of whether it actually aligns with official church theology.

I experienced Verlinde firsthand, and I believe he has done more than most to dismantle this myth of "Westernizing" Eastern spirituality. He hit the nail on the head when he noted that even the genuine spiritual teachers in the East don't recognize the version of their traditions being marketed to the West. Is anyone actually surprised?
I recall him citing examples of levitation and similar phenomena. In the East, a person embarking on a spiritual path views such occurrences merely as one stage of a process—something to eventually transcend. Conversely, in the West, people use these feats as mere entertainment, offering a distorted caricature of Eastern religions. I believe he was referring to Sai Baba.

I have observed Verlinde's contribution here. Unlike certain superficial interpretations, his work actually directs a person toward a more profound understanding of Eastern spirituality. At least, that was my experience. While what he presents in this book is undoubtedly basic and incomplete, I believe it serves a purpose: it can encourage an individual to break free from the shallow grasp of Eastern spirituality and pursue a much deeper investigation than the often distorted nonsense currently being peddled in the West.

Freemasonry has basically infiltrated American theological seminaries and universities. They’ve managed to plant their own people and operatives right inside our churches. It's wild when you think about it—half, if not more, of the top-selling Christian books on the market were actually penned by Masonic non-believers. They even have a grip on Christian TV networks, and it seems like almost every famous Christian author, priest, or televangelist out there is a Mason.

mellowranger11 said:Hey everyone, I'm assuming this is the right sub-forum for this topic—if not, my bad.

So, here’s the deal. For a few years now, I’ve been diving deep into spirituality. It started because I began experiencing some weird stuff myself—stuff I’d actually felt since I was a kid but just chalked up to being "normal"—and I couldn't explain it. Through all this digging, I started finding connections to chakras, specifically the "Amy" chakra, and general spirituality, which wasn't really on my radar before.

But honestly? The more books I read on this stuff and the deeper I go down the rabbit hole, the less I feel like I actually know. At first, I was really into studying meditation, chakras, their effects, and all that good stuff. But then, I stumbled upon this one website about "power meditations." They described all these different techniques—which are slightly off from the mainstream stuff you usually hear about—and apparently, the knowledge comes from a Satanic source. Basically, the site itself is part of some Satanic movement that argues Christianity has totally misinterpreted Satanism and such.

Look, I grew up Christian. I’m not active in the church anymore, though—I can't stand how the "church" operates these days, what with the greed and the constant hunt for money and all that. Anyway, this whole thing is starting to mess with my head. Because when I read about chakras, spiritual growth, and the techniques used to achieve it... those exact same methods show up in this Satanic "cult," or whatever you want to call it, where they claim everything stems from Satan himself.

On top of that, during this research spree, I ran into the "Masons." I still can't wrap my head around what they actually *are*. One story says they’re these secret societies pulling the strings of the world, chasing power, acting like supreme rulers and whatnot. But then another story claims they’re just guardians of ancient spiritual wisdom, focusing on self-development—strengthening chakras, auras, etc.—while also climbing the ladder to hold high-ranking positions in government (which makes zero sense to me). Plus, they're supposedly "bringers of light" and spiritual seekers, but reading accounts from people who went through their initiations? That doesn't look like "light" or any kind of "goodness" to me. During these initiations, they go through these insane, bizarre rituals where they have to do things that make absolutely no sense if you have a shred of common sense—like cooking and eating "fresh" human body parts just to prove themselves. There is absolutely no way that has anything to do with spiritual growth or being a good person.

Just please, don't come at me with the "you don't know anything" attitude. I’ll be the first to admit I'm lost. Like I said, the more I investigate, the more it feels like total nonsense, which is why I decided to start this thread. I’m hoping if anyone actually knows more about these topics or the connections between them, you can clear some things up for me. Specifically, if "Masons" even exist—and if by some chance anyone on this forum is actually part of that group—could you explain what they really are? Even if it's just a private message, keep it anonymous, but please, because one side says one thing and the other side says the complete opposite. And for anyone else into spiritual development, please weigh in. Tell me about the meditative techniques you use, and whether you know EXACTLY where they actually come from.

Seriously, the more I dig, the more I feel like I'm standing in the dark. I would really appreciate some clarity. Thanks in advance.🙂

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