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dustynomad20 dustynomad20 Newcomer
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#61 ·
I guess the whole point of our existence boils down to free will. Our purpose is spiritual growth, and you can't have that without the freedom to choose. I believe everyone has their own path; we struggle and face challenges along the way, and it’s precisely through those trials that our free will reveals itself to the Creator. Maybe the only things we truly couldn't control were how our journey started—certain fundamental aspects of life, like who we marry or having children. But how we actually respond to those people? That’s where free will kicks in. What I'm trying to say is that one part of our lives is definitely shaped by fate, while the other is driven by our own choices and actions.
hiddenhawk3 hiddenhawk3 Active Member
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#62 ·
rapidjackal16 said:So, how do you actually know if you’re on the right track in life? Like, how can you tell you’re finally walking the path you were actually meant to be on? What are the tells? Are there even any signs to look for, or is it all just... I don't know, guesswork?

Or maybe you’re just totally lost and have no clue at all?


Personally, I guess my path is fine enough, in every sense of the word.

As long as I can look in the mirror and still call myself a "good person," I suppose that's enough.🤷
William Williams7 William Williams7 Member
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#63 ·
ironharbor8 said:Without getting bogged down in the weeds, just look at the variables already set: genetics dictating your physique, sex, brain structure, IQ, inclinations, talents... Then there are the social circumstances (you don't pick your parents, after all), plus behavioral patterns imprinted deep within the subconscious that are nearly impossible to overhaul. Toss in inertia, phobias, and countless other factors imposed without our conscious input... and see how much room is left for actual free will or agency. Very little, if you ask me. But people love their delusions; they find comfort in believing they are the ones making the calls. I won't be the one to knock down someone else's sandcastle, though.

The question remains: if you truly possess free will, and there is a better, different path available than the one you are currently walking—why aren't you taking it?

Free will is directly proportional to the amount of conscious constraints and binding mechanisms within your own subconscious. As long as there is anything capable of tethering you—positively or negatively—you aren't truly free. And those ties are endless.

I can't say for certain how much of the road is paved in advance, but a significant portion definitely is.

As for the ultimate purpose of life, free will, or any of this nonsense, I haven't a clue. I just know that I exist, that answers don't arrive on my schedule, and that I have to live out the duration I've been allotted. I try to do so as consciously and responsibly as possible.

Whether free will exists or not becomes irrelevant once you realize you are merely an anonymous, attribute-less observer in an infinite game where you didn't write the rules. Like a single snowflake caught in a blizzard... You accept your fate and simply exist, appearing only in those rare moments when the fog of daily life lifts.

That is my take on it. It doesn't have to be the absolute truth, and it's subject to change as my perspective evolves.

But even that choice to "surrender to fate" is still a choice—it's an exercise of free will, because some people simply refuse to settle.

Regarding those predetermined factors you mentioned—two sisters could share almost identical ones and still end up on completely different paths.

In my opinion, most people—even when they realize there's a better way out of their current situation—don't change a thing because they're terrified of change. It's just too hard for them to step outside their comfort zone.
ironharbor8 ironharbor8 Member
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#64 ·
William Williams7 said:But even that choice to "surrender to fate" is still a choice—it's an exercise of free will, because some people simply refuse to settle.

Regarding those predetermined factors you mentioned—two sisters could share almost identical ones and still end up on completely different paths.

In my opinion, most people—even when they realize there's a better way out of their current situation—don't change a thing because they're terrified of change. It's just too hard for them to step outside their comfort zone.

By all means, feel free to believe in free will.

As for my own acceptance of the situation, it wasn't a philosophical preference; it was a matter of necessity. It was the only viable move given the circumstances at the time. I didn't have an alternative. Continuing to fight the old way was like trying to stop a landslide with a shovel. It was a simple inevitability.

I am not claiming that choice is impossible. Perhaps it is. But from the outside, many things look like choices when they aren't. Once you dig into the subconscious, the underlying mechanics, and the sheer weight of circumstance, you realize there is almost always a reason why things are the way they are—and why a specific path was taken.
David Green11 David Green11 Member
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joined Apr 2008
#65 ·
ironharbor8 said:Without getting bogged down in the weeds, just look at the variables already set: genetics dictating your physique, sex, brain structure, IQ, inclinations, talents... Then there are the social circumstances (you don't pick your parents, after all), plus behavioral patterns imprinted deep within the subconscious that are nearly impossible to overhaul. Toss in inertia, phobias, and countless other factors imposed without our conscious input... and see how much room is left for actual free will or agency. Very little, if you ask me. But people love their delusions; they find comfort in believing they are the ones making the calls. I won't be the one to knock down someone else's sandcastle, though.

The question remains: if you truly possess free will, and there is a better, different path available than the one you are currently walking—why aren't you taking it?

Free will is directly proportional to the amount of conscious constraints and binding mechanisms within your own subconscious. As long as there is anything capable of tethering you—positively or negatively—you aren't truly free. And those ties are endless.

I can't say for certain how much of the road is paved in advance, but a significant portion definitely is.

As for the ultimate purpose of life, free will, or any of this nonsense, I haven't a clue. I just know that I exist, that answers don't arrive on my schedule, and that I have to live out the duration I've been allotted. I try to do so as consciously and responsibly as possible.

Whether free will exists or not becomes irrelevant once you realize you are merely an anonymous, attribute-less observer in an infinite game where you didn't write the rules. Like a single snowflake caught in a blizzard... You accept your fate and simply exist, appearing only in those rare moments when the fog of daily life lifts.

That is my take on it. It doesn't have to be the absolute truth, and it's subject to change as my perspective evolves.

It is true that genetics largely sets the stage by establishing our predispositions; however, the actual performance depends on whether we choose to nurture those traits or suppress them. To use an analogy, if someone carries a genetic predisposition for lung cancer but never touches a cigarette in their entire life, it is highly probable they will never face that illness. In that sense, free will remains very much in play.
ironharbor8 said:Without getting bogged down in the weeds, just look at the variables already set: genetics dictating your physique, sex, brain structure, IQ, inclinations, talents... Then there are the social circumstances (you don't pick your parents, after all), plus behavioral patterns imprinted deep within the subconscious that are nearly impossible to overhaul. Toss in inertia, phobias, and countless other factors imposed without our conscious input... and see how much room is left for actual free will or agency. Very little, if you ask me. But people love their delusions; they find comfort in believing they are the ones making the calls. I won't be the one to knock down someone else's sandcastle, though.

The question remains: if you truly possess free will, and there is a better, different path available than the one you are currently walking—why aren't you taking it?

Free will is directly proportional to the amount of conscious constraints and binding mechanisms within your own subconscious. As long as there is anything capable of tethering you—positively or negatively—you aren't truly free. And those ties are endless.

I can't say for certain how much of the road is paved in advance, but a significant portion definitely is.

As for the ultimate purpose of life, free will, or any of this nonsense, I haven't a clue. I just know that I exist, that answers don't arrive on my schedule, and that I have to live out the duration I've been allotted. I try to do so as consciously and responsibly as possible.

Whether free will exists or not becomes irrelevant once you realize you are merely an anonymous, attribute-less observer in an infinite game where you didn't write the rules. Like a single snowflake caught in a blizzard... You accept your fate and simply exist, appearing only in those rare moments when the fog of daily life lifts.

That is my take on it. It doesn't have to be the absolute truth, and it's subject to change as my perspective evolves.

The tricky thing is that we can't actually verify this, because you might be absolutely right—I could be operating under the mere illusion of free will whenever I face a crossroads; perhaps my "choice" was already hardwired from the start, making free will effectively non-existent.
But if that were the case, what would even be the point of existing?
ironharbor8 said:Without getting bogged down in the weeds, just look at the variables already set: genetics dictating your physique, sex, brain structure, IQ, inclinations, talents... Then there are the social circumstances (you don't pick your parents, after all), plus behavioral patterns imprinted deep within the subconscious that are nearly impossible to overhaul. Toss in inertia, phobias, and countless other factors imposed without our conscious input... and see how much room is left for actual free will or agency. Very little, if you ask me. But people love their delusions; they find comfort in believing they are the ones making the calls. I won't be the one to knock down someone else's sandcastle, though.

The question remains: if you truly possess free will, and there is a better, different path available than the one you are currently walking—why aren't you taking it?

Free will is directly proportional to the amount of conscious constraints and binding mechanisms within your own subconscious. As long as there is anything capable of tethering you—positively or negatively—you aren't truly free. And those ties are endless.

I can't say for certain how much of the road is paved in advance, but a significant portion definitely is.

As for the ultimate purpose of life, free will, or any of this nonsense, I haven't a clue. I just know that I exist, that answers don't arrive on my schedule, and that I have to live out the duration I've been allotted. I try to do so as consciously and responsibly as possible.

Whether free will exists or not becomes irrelevant once you realize you are merely an anonymous, attribute-less observer in an infinite game where you didn't write the rules. Like a single snowflake caught in a blizzard... You accept your fate and simply exist, appearing only in those rare moments when the fog of daily life lifts.

That is my take on it. It doesn't have to be the absolute truth, and it's subject to change as my perspective evolves.

But what does "better" even mean? What is considered a better path for you might be entirely different for me. It feels to me as though we have all arrived in this world to undergo specific experiences that we ourselves selected to encounter.
ironharbor8 said:Without getting bogged down in the weeds, just look at the variables already set: genetics dictating your physique, sex, brain structure, IQ, inclinations, talents... Then there are the social circumstances (you don't pick your parents, after all), plus behavioral patterns imprinted deep within the subconscious that are nearly impossible to overhaul. Toss in inertia, phobias, and countless other factors imposed without our conscious input... and see how much room is left for actual free will or agency. Very little, if you ask me. But people love their delusions; they find comfort in believing they are the ones making the calls. I won't be the one to knock down someone else's sandcastle, though.

The question remains: if you truly possess free will, and there is a better, different path available than the one you are currently walking—why aren't you taking it?

Free will is directly proportional to the amount of conscious constraints and binding mechanisms within your own subconscious. As long as there is anything capable of tethering you—positively or negatively—you aren't truly free. And those ties are endless.

I can't say for certain how much of the road is paved in advance, but a significant portion definitely is.

As for the ultimate purpose of life, free will, or any of this nonsense, I haven't a clue. I just know that I exist, that answers don't arrive on my schedule, and that I have to live out the duration I've been allotted. I try to do so as consciously and responsibly as possible.

Whether free will exists or not becomes irrelevant once you realize you are merely an anonymous, attribute-less observer in an infinite game where you didn't write the rules. Like a single snowflake caught in a blizzard... You accept your fate and simply exist, appearing only in those rare moments when the fog of daily life lifts.

That is my take on it. It doesn't have to be the absolute truth, and it's subject to change as my perspective evolves.

I agree that certain elements feel predetermined, though that is a topic ripe for further debate. While we may have chosen the specific experiences we wish to navigate in this lifetime, the manner in which we experience them is up to us. We have the capacity to learn through both smooth sailing and turbulent storms, and that choice rests solely with us.
ironharbor8 said:Without getting bogged down in the weeds, just look at the variables already set: genetics dictating your physique, sex, brain structure, IQ, inclinations, talents... Then there are the social circumstances (you don't pick your parents, after all), plus behavioral patterns imprinted deep within the subconscious that are nearly impossible to overhaul. Toss in inertia, phobias, and countless other factors imposed without our conscious input... and see how much room is left for actual free will or agency. Very little, if you ask me. But people love their delusions; they find comfort in believing they are the ones making the calls. I won't be the one to knock down someone else's sandcastle, though.

The question remains: if you truly possess free will, and there is a better, different path available than the one you are currently walking—why aren't you taking it?

Free will is directly proportional to the amount of conscious constraints and binding mechanisms within your own subconscious. As long as there is anything capable of tethering you—positively or negatively—you aren't truly free. And those ties are endless.

I can't say for certain how much of the road is paved in advance, but a significant portion definitely is.

As for the ultimate purpose of life, free will, or any of this nonsense, I haven't a clue. I just know that I exist, that answers don't arrive on my schedule, and that I have to live out the duration I've been allotted. I try to do so as consciously and responsibly as possible.

Whether free will exists or not becomes irrelevant once you realize you are merely an anonymous, attribute-less observer in an infinite game where you didn't write the rules. Like a single snowflake caught in a blizzard... You accept your fate and simply exist, appearing only in those rare moments when the fog of daily life lifts.

That is my take on it. It doesn't have to be the absolute truth, and it's subject to change as my perspective evolves.

Not on my watch! If we just settle for that, then what is the whole point of living? What is the purpose of everything we do??
William Williams7 William Williams7 Member
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#66 ·
Brian Martinez49 said:Why do I think talented people actually figure themselves out? Honestly, it’s probably because they have nothing else to do—most of them are too busy overthinking their own existence to actually live it. It’s like, you spend all this time honing a skill or being "gifted," and then you hit this wall where you realize that being good at something doesn't actually mean you know who the hell you are. It’s a bit like what Eckhart Tolle talks about—that disconnect between your ego and your actual being. For a lot of these high achievers, their whole identity is wrapped up in being "the best" or "the smartest," and once that starts to crack, they’re forced to look inward. They can't just hide behind their trophies anymore. They end up having to face the void, which, let's be real, is pretty terrifying. So they start digging, looking for some kind of deeper meaning, and eventually, they stumble into self-awareness just by trying to make sense of why being successful feels so... empty sometimes. It's a messy process, though—lots of staring at ceilings at 3 AM and questioning every life choice since middle school.
They’re usually just high-strung, unlikable, totally on edge, and basically useless at everything—except for that one specific talent they cling to.
Unlike those other guys—you know the type—there are actually regular, totally untalented people out there who just happen to have incredible outlooks on life.
They’re actually out there living their best lives—just soaking it all up and enjoying every damn second of it.
And maybe—if we're being totally real here—the biggest thing is that they aren't even afraid of the end.
I’ve met a few people like that—folks who barely finished middle school, let alone had some fancy degree, yet they possessed these profound, earth-shattering insights... honestly, it's wild. They lived life on their own terms, and they left it the same way: quiet, low-key, and completely at peace with everything.

I honestly could see the merit in that argument. But then again, maybe being able to live a simple, unassuming life is its own kind of talent. Is it something anyone can do? Absolutely not.

It leaves you with so many questions to chew on. I’ve started noticing that having a gift can be just as much of a curse as it is a blessing.

But it makes me wonder... do we actually have the right to just ignore our talents and choose not to develop them?
Robert Thomas17 Robert Thomas17 Newcomer
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#67 ·
I’m constantly evolving at warp speed, jumping from one paradigm to the next! Plus, what I do hits every single note—from total horror movies to the most beautiful experiences in the universe. Honestly, I just want to be more social and feel like I can actually make a difference in this world!
ironharbor8 ironharbor8 Member
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#68 ·
David Green11 said:It is true that genetics largely sets the stage by establishing our predispositions; however, the actual performance depends on whether we choose to nurture those traits or suppress them. To use an analogy, if someone carries a genetic predisposition for lung cancer but never touches a cigarette in their entire life, it is highly probable they will never face that illness. In that sense, free will remains very much in play.

The tricky thing is that we can't actually verify this, because you might be absolutely right—I could be operating under the mere illusion of free will whenever I face a crossroads; perhaps my "choice" was already hardwired from the start, making free will effectively non-existent.
But if that were the case, what would even be the point of existing?

But what does "better" even mean? What is considered a better path for you might be entirely different for me. It feels to me as though we have all arrived in this world to undergo specific experiences that we ourselves selected to encounter.

I agree that certain elements feel predetermined, though that is a topic ripe for further debate. While we may have chosen the specific experiences we wish to navigate in this lifetime, the manner in which we experience them is up to us. We have the capacity to learn through both smooth sailing and turbulent storms, and that choice rests solely with us.

Not on my watch! If we just settle for that, then what is the whole point of living? What is the purpose of everything we do??

You aren't entirely wrong. Consider a similar scenario: if there is a genetic predisposition toward colon cancer, logic suggests switching to a dietary pattern proven to be safer. Research indicates that a vegetarian diet offers better protection in that regard. However, the actual difference between a vegetarian diet and a "standard" American diet is captured in this scientific study:

“Out of 100 subjects who consumed meat at some stage of their lives, 33 developed some form of cancer, whereas among vegetarians, cancer was recorded in 29 out of 100 people.”

So, observe how much influence free will actually exerts.

Then there is Aveline Kushi, a macrobiotics advocate, who ultimately passed away from cancer. Is that not a twist of fate?

If free will exists, why doesn't the majority of the population opt for a healthier lifestyle? Why doesn't everyone practice meditation (which modern science confirms has positive physiological effects), eat better, or lead lower-stress lives if it all boils down to free will? Any rational person should use their intelligent free will to choose health and optimal conditions for themselves, yet we see the exact opposite happening. Does a person choose war, illness, or misfortune through free will, or is it driven by ignorance—or perhaps a third factor? Does free will depend on knowledge? If it does, then the concept of "freedom" becomes murky, because the knowledge an individual possesses is dictated by many other external factors. It is a tangled web... an interaction of everything and anything.

David Green11 said:It is true that genetics largely sets the stage by establishing our predispositions; however, the actual performance depends on whether we choose to nurture those traits or suppress them. To use an analogy, if someone carries a genetic predisposition for lung cancer but never touches a cigarette in their entire life, it is highly probable they will never face that illness. In that sense, free will remains very much in play.

The tricky thing is that we can't actually verify this, because you might be absolutely right—I could be operating under the mere illusion of free will whenever I face a crossroads; perhaps my "choice" was already hardwired from the start, making free will effectively non-existent.
But if that were the case, what would even be the point of existing?

But what does "better" even mean? What is considered a better path for you might be entirely different for me. It feels to me as though we have all arrived in this world to undergo specific experiences that we ourselves selected to encounter.

I agree that certain elements feel predetermined, though that is a topic ripe for further debate. While we may have chosen the specific experiences we wish to navigate in this lifetime, the manner in which we experience them is up to us. We have the capacity to learn through both smooth sailing and turbulent storms, and that choice rests solely with us.

Not on my watch! If we just settle for that, then what is the whole point of living? What is the purpose of everything we do??

That is a vital question. However, I haven't found the answer. There are as many answers as there are people. Not one is verifiable or entirely satisfying. Consequently, I have made my peace with not knowing. I don't know who I am, where I am going, or what will become of me. I only know that I exist, here and now, and I attempt to be content with that.
rapidjackal16 rapidjackal16 MemberOP
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#69 ·
When you guys started diving into that whole cancer topic—specifically colon cancer—it really got me thinking. I spent quite a bit of time digging through some medical journals and research papers, and here’s what I gathered: for someone to actually develop colon cancer, there usually has to be a genetic predisposition involved. But, here’s the kicker that science still hasn't quite nailed down—why is it that out of all the people carrying that specific gene, some get sick while others stay perfectly healthy? It’s one of those massive scientific gaps that remains totally unresolved, and honestly, some of the theories floating around feel like they lean more toward spirituality than hard biology.

I mean, even some doctors seem to think that the gene for the disease gets "switched on" when someone goes through a major life trauma or a massive emotional shock. Looking at what my own close friends and family have gone through, I truly believe that theory holds water—that's exactly what triggered the gene and led to such devastating illnesses. In my own view, sometimes people subconsciously retreat from life into sickness... maybe because they just don't have the strength to keep fighting, or perhaps as a way to teach the people around them a hard lesson... but I also firmly believe it’s a conscious choice made by the SOUL... driven by its own will... regardless of the underlying motive.

(And just to be clear, I wrote "choice of the SOUL," not the choice of the person...)
ironharbor8 ironharbor8 Member
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#70 ·
rapidjackal16 said:When you guys started diving into that whole cancer topic—specifically colon cancer—it really got me thinking. I spent quite a bit of time digging through some medical journals and research papers, and here’s what I gathered: for someone to actually develop colon cancer, there usually has to be a genetic predisposition involved. But, here’s the kicker that science still hasn't quite nailed down—why is it that out of all the people carrying that specific gene, some get sick while others stay perfectly healthy? It’s one of those massive scientific gaps that remains totally unresolved, and honestly, some of the theories floating around feel like they lean more toward spirituality than hard biology.

I mean, even some doctors seem to think that the gene for the disease gets "switched on" when someone goes through a major life trauma or a massive emotional shock. Looking at what my own close friends and family have gone through, I truly believe that theory holds water—that's exactly what triggered the gene and led to such devastating illnesses. In my own view, sometimes people subconsciously retreat from life into sickness... maybe because they just don't have the strength to keep fighting, or perhaps as a way to teach the people around them a hard lesson... but I also firmly believe it’s a conscious choice made by the SOUL... driven by its own will... regardless of the underlying motive.

(And just to be clear, I wrote "choice of the SOUL," not the choice of the person...)

Since you've decided to lecture us on the soul, why don't you enlighten me? What exactly is the difference between a soul and a person? And more importantly, what evidence do you have that any of this actually exists?
David Green11 David Green11 Member
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#71 ·
ironharbor8 said:You aren't entirely wrong. Consider a similar scenario: if there is a genetic predisposition toward colon cancer, logic suggests switching to a dietary pattern proven to be safer. Research indicates that a vegetarian diet offers better protection in that regard. However, the actual difference between a vegetarian diet and a "standard" American diet is captured in this scientific study:

“Out of 100 subjects who consumed meat at some stage of their lives, 33 developed some form of cancer, whereas among vegetarians, cancer was recorded in 29 out of 100 people.”

So, observe how much influence free will actually exerts.

Then there is Aveline Kushi, a macrobiotics advocate, who ultimately passed away from cancer. Is that not a twist of fate?

If free will exists, why doesn't the majority of the population opt for a healthier lifestyle? Why doesn't everyone practice meditation (which modern science confirms has positive physiological effects), eat better, or lead lower-stress lives if it all boils down to free will? Any rational person should use their intelligent free will to choose health and optimal conditions for themselves, yet we see the exact opposite happening. Does a person choose war, illness, or misfortune through free will, or is it driven by ignorance—or perhaps a third factor? Does free will depend on knowledge? If it does, then the concept of "freedom" becomes murky, because the knowledge an individual possesses is dictated by many other external factors. It is a tangled web... an interaction of everything and anything.

That is a vital question. However, I haven't found the answer. There are as many answers as there are people. Not one is verifiable or entirely satisfying. Consequently, I have made my peace with not knowing. I don't know who I am, where I am going, or what will become of me. I only know that I exist, here and now, and I attempt to be content with that.

As far as I am aware, the only scientifically established link is that excessive meat consumption contributes to higher rates of colorectal cancer. That is the proven fact. There is ongoing speculation regarding whether meat intake might accelerate hormone-dependent tumors, but I honestly don't know if a direct causal relationship has been firmly established yet.
Consequently, simply abstaining from meat doesn't provide a magical shield. To be more precise, I fail to see any reason why a woman infected with high-risk HPV would have any lower risk of developing cervical cancer just because she follows a vegetarian diet. 🤷 Besides, avoiding meat certainly doesn't guarantee that someone isn't smoking, drinking heavily, eating processed junk food loaded with pesticides, or living under constant, crushing stress. ☕
ironharbor8 ironharbor8 Member
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#72 ·
David Green11 said:As far as I am aware, the only scientifically established link is that excessive meat consumption contributes to higher rates of colorectal cancer. That is the proven fact. There is ongoing speculation regarding whether meat intake might accelerate hormone-dependent tumors, but I honestly don't know if a direct causal relationship has been firmly established yet.
Consequently, simply abstaining from meat doesn't provide a magical shield. To be more precise, I fail to see any reason why a woman infected with high-risk HPV would have any lower risk of developing cervical cancer just because she follows a vegetarian diet. 🤷 Besides, avoiding meat certainly doesn't guarantee that someone isn't smoking, drinking heavily, eating processed junk food loaded with pesticides, or living under constant, crushing stress. ☕

Fair point. Everyone's entitled to their coffee. 😎
Ashley Martin77 Ashley Martin77 Newcomer
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#73 ·
Perhaps these are indicators that we are actually on the right track—that we are, if I may be so bold, following God’s will...
1. There is this magnetic pull toward a certain path. It isn't just a fleeting thought; it is a persistent, constant sensation—often entirely irrational, I suppose—that continues right up until the final outcome is realized. In fact, it doesn't even stop there; it simply evolves into something else.
2. You get this distinct impression that this is the one true choice, a decision that stands unrivaled by any other option. It feels as though the goal already belongs to you, as if it were yours before you even reached it.
3. The path seems to open up with a certain ease, lacking those crushing obstacles or the need for frantic struggle. Most importantly, it doesn't demand that you "sell your soul to the devil" or sacrifice everything you hold dear just to secure what you want. Choosing this way brings a sense of peace rather than a heavy burden on the conscience.
4. There is a notable absence of urgency. You aren't plagued by those frantic ultimatums like, "If I don't act now, I'll lose my shot forever." I suspect that when something truly belongs to you, the doors will always remain open, waiting patiently for your return.
5. Finally, you don't feel the need to pretend to be someone else just to see your desires fulfilled. You aren't forced to act in a way that contradicts your core identity or goes against the grain of who you truly are.
Bradley Roberts10 Bradley Roberts10 Newcomer
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#74 ·
Ashley Martin77 said:Perhaps these are indicators that we are actually on the right track—that we are, if I may be so bold, following God’s will...
1. There is this magnetic pull toward a certain path. It isn't just a fleeting thought; it is a persistent, constant sensation—often entirely irrational, I suppose—that continues right up until the final outcome is realized. In fact, it doesn't even stop there; it simply evolves into something else.
2. You get this distinct impression that this is the one true choice, a decision that stands unrivaled by any other option. It feels as though the goal already belongs to you, as if it were yours before you even reached it.
3. The path seems to open up with a certain ease, lacking those crushing obstacles or the need for frantic struggle. Most importantly, it doesn't demand that you "sell your soul to the devil" or sacrifice everything you hold dear just to secure what you want. Choosing this way brings a sense of peace rather than a heavy burden on the conscience.
4. There is a notable absence of urgency. You aren't plagued by those frantic ultimatums like, "If I don't act now, I'll lose my shot forever." I suspect that when something truly belongs to you, the doors will always remain open, waiting patiently for your return.
5. Finally, you don't feel the need to pretend to be someone else just to see your desires fulfilled. You aren't forced to act in a way that contradicts your core identity or goes against the grain of who you truly are.

I completely agree. This is beautifully written.🙂
David Green11 David Green11 Member
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#75 ·
ironharbor8 said:You aren't entirely wrong. Consider a similar scenario: if there is a genetic predisposition toward colon cancer, logic suggests switching to a dietary pattern proven to be safer. Research indicates that a vegetarian diet offers better protection in that regard. However, the actual difference between a vegetarian diet and a "standard" American diet is captured in this scientific study:

“Out of 100 subjects who consumed meat at some stage of their lives, 33 developed some form of cancer, whereas among vegetarians, cancer was recorded in 29 out of 100 people.”

So, observe how much influence free will actually exerts.

Then there is Aveline Kushi, a macrobiotics advocate, who ultimately passed away from cancer. Is that not a twist of fate?

If free will exists, why doesn't the majority of the population opt for a healthier lifestyle? Why doesn't everyone practice meditation (which modern science confirms has positive physiological effects), eat better, or lead lower-stress lives if it all boils down to free will? Any rational person should use their intelligent free will to choose health and optimal conditions for themselves, yet we see the exact opposite happening. Does a person choose war, illness, or misfortune through free will, or is it driven by ignorance—or perhaps a third factor? Does free will depend on knowledge? If it does, then the concept of "freedom" becomes murky, because the knowledge an individual possesses is dictated by many other external factors. It is a tangled web... an interaction of everything and anything.

That is a vital question. However, I haven't found the answer. There are as many answers as there are people. Not one is verifiable or entirely satisfying. Consequently, I have made my peace with not knowing. I don't know who I am, where I am going, or what will become of me. I only know that I exist, here and now, and I attempt to be content with that.

The truth is, everyone operates on a different set of priorities; you have plenty of people who are pure hedonists whose entire philosophy revolves around immediate self-gratification at any cost. 😁 Furthermore, there isn't a single person alive who doesn't realize how damaging smoking is to the body, yet millions continue to light up every day, exercising their own free will to make a choice they know is harmful. 😉
wearyowl29 wearyowl29 Regular
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Ashley Martin77 said:Perhaps these are indicators that we are actually on the right track—that we are, if I may be so bold, following God’s will...
1. There is this magnetic pull toward a certain path. It isn't just a fleeting thought; it is a persistent, constant sensation—often entirely irrational, I suppose—that continues right up until the final outcome is realized. In fact, it doesn't even stop there; it simply evolves into something else.
2. You get this distinct impression that this is the one true choice, a decision that stands unrivaled by any other option. It feels as though the goal already belongs to you, as if it were yours before you even reached it.
3. The path seems to open up with a certain ease, lacking those crushing obstacles or the need for frantic struggle. Most importantly, it doesn't demand that you "sell your soul to the devil" or sacrifice everything you hold dear just to secure what you want. Choosing this way brings a sense of peace rather than a heavy burden on the conscience.
4. There is a notable absence of urgency. You aren't plagued by those frantic ultimatums like, "If I don't act now, I'll lose my shot forever." I suspect that when something truly belongs to you, the doors will always remain open, waiting patiently for your return.
5. Finally, you don't feel the need to pretend to be someone else just to see your desires fulfilled. You aren't forced to act in a way that contradicts your core identity or goes against the grain of who you truly are.

Good grief, what even is this? It’s like someone took a Hollywood script, mixed it with a Bollywood fever dream, and just called it a day!😁
You have to accept exactly who you are right now if you ever want to actually learn anything from the climb. I’m talking about that steep, grueling ascent where danger lurks around every single corner. It can be exhausting, soul-crushing, and honestly just plain miserable sometimes. We don't exactly enjoy the struggle, but we’re stuck in it regardless! The real trap is when we try to pretend we aren't facing those realities. That’s where we lose the plot. Real growth comes from owning the struggle—it isn't some free pass or an all-access VIP ticket to Disneyland.
ironharbor8 ironharbor8 Member
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David Green11 said:The truth is, everyone operates on a different set of priorities; you have plenty of people who are pure hedonists whose entire philosophy revolves around immediate self-gratification at any cost. 😁 Furthermore, there isn't a single person alive who doesn't realize how damaging smoking is to the body, yet millions continue to light up every day, exercising their own free will to make a choice they know is harmful. 😉

Some call that free will; others just call it an addiction. But hey, to each their own.
rapidjackal16 rapidjackal16 MemberOP
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That was so beautifully put!🙂)
I’m honestly a little worried because I feel like I’ve had that same magnetic pull toward things that ended up totally derailing my life in the end🙂))

Looking at what you wrote, I think I only went through that phase once—it was just a weird few months during one specific chapter of my life....

@ironharbor8—I’m certain there’s a soul and a person, two separate things, where the soul moves on to another world while the body stays behind. I truly believe this because I’ve been right there at the bedside when loved ones were passing away, and I've seen others experience that exact same thing when they say goodbye to someone. It all sounds like some old wives' tale until you actually live it—that’s how I felt too, honestly. Plus, I’ve had these intense precognitive dreams about major life events, sometimes even years before they actually happened. After everything I've been through, I’ve become quite a spiritual person, even though I wasn't raised that way and I don't really go to church or anything, but I definitely consider myself a deeply faithful person..
Ashley Martin77 Ashley Martin77 Newcomer
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wearyowl29 said:Good grief, what even is this? It’s like someone took a Hollywood script, mixed it with a Bollywood fever dream, and just called it a day!😁
You have to accept exactly who you are right now if you ever want to actually learn anything from the climb. I’m talking about that steep, grueling ascent where danger lurks around every single corner. It can be exhausting, soul-crushing, and honestly just plain miserable sometimes. We don't exactly enjoy the struggle, but we’re stuck in it regardless! The real trap is when we try to pretend we aren't facing those realities. That’s where we lose the plot. Real growth comes from owning the struggle—it isn't some free pass or an all-access VIP ticket to Disneyland.

My dear 😁, I suspect this is actually far more intense than anything you'd see in Hollywood or Bollywood..
I think you might be conflating two different things. When effort is directed toward the right objectives, it ceases to feel like a burden; instead, we approach it with a certain sense of joy, devotion, and purpose. You seem to be describing that specific kind of strain—the sort of overwhelming exertion we pour into things we *think* we want, yet somehow, despite every ounce of effort, we still fail to grasp them..
Ashley Martin77 Ashley Martin77 Newcomer
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rapidjackal16 said:That was so beautifully put!🙂)
I’m honestly a little worried because I feel like I’ve had that same magnetic pull toward things that ended up totally derailing my life in the end🙂))

Looking at what you wrote, I think I only went through that phase once—it was just a weird few months during one specific chapter of my life....

@ironharbor8—I’m certain there’s a soul and a person, two separate things, where the soul moves on to another world while the body stays behind. I truly believe this because I’ve been right there at the bedside when loved ones were passing away, and I've seen others experience that exact same thing when they say goodbye to someone. It all sounds like some old wives' tale until you actually live it—that’s how I felt too, honestly. Plus, I’ve had these intense precognitive dreams about major life events, sometimes even years before they actually happened. After everything I've been through, I’ve become quite a spiritual person, even though I wasn't raised that way and I don't really go to church or anything, but I definitely consider myself a deeply faithful person..

But why did that feeling fade away? I mean, I suspect it might not be all that significant, unless it’s something that provides a constant source of motivation or fuels a genuine passion for something.

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