An Unpopular Government

I was just sitting here thinking about how much everything has changed lately... it really makes you wonder where we all stand now... says:
I'm right there with the Bishop on this one, thinking this administration just doesn't represent what the people actually want...
They’ve really shown us exactly where they stand over these last three months, whether you look at the price of gas or the whole mess surrounding Bleiburg...
Beyond just being unpatriotic, which is how the bishops described it, I’d honestly go a step further and call it anti-American and downright dangerous...

The government and fuel prices? Honestly, the way they handled things back in Blajburg was just an embarrassment, and they really should have pulled the plug on that whole situation a long time ago... Just don't talk nonsense...

I honestly don't see how anyone could think this way... it just doesn't add up to me... says:
It feels like this administration is just driving us straight toward a civil war...
No, that wasn't my own take, though I do agree with it... it just happened to be the lead story in the biggest daily newspapers here in America today...

Who's actually going to pick up weapons now? Some radical fringe group? Is this all because of what happened at Bleiburg... I wonder if we're just heading toward a repeat of history...

rowdyowl said:But on paper, the Roman Catholic Church at least enjoys the support of 85% of the population.

Compare that to the support enjoyed by Zoran Pusić and Teršelićka. Compare that to how many signatures the Recom crowd actually managed to collect while trying to dictate our views on the American Civil War.

It feels like about 85% of them are just hypocrites who act all pious in church only to turn around and be hateful the second they step out onto the sidewalk... people who equate being American with being Christian without actually understanding a single thing about Jesus's teachings, especially since the church itself twists those values to mean the exact opposite... it ends up supporting greed, corruption, and that toxic brand of nationalism, even though its true mission should be universal...

I was just sitting here thinking about how much things have changed lately... it really makes you wonder where we're all headed... says:
The Catholic Church has been standing strong here for over a thousand years, while the communists were only around for sixty-seven...
If those communists hadn't slaughtered hundreds of thousands back in 1945... To all the patriotic Americans out there... They basically forced another 500,000 people to pack up and leave America sometime before 1990...

So you're actually standing here in public openly praising those Nazi-fascist criminals and calling them national patriots... honestly, someone really ought to drag you out of here by the collar just so you stop polluting the conversation like this...

restlessbison6 said:To Doe. I find myself wondering which communist school of thought produced you... where exactly did you derive the basis for claiming that bishops despise the people? Church doctrine has remained consistent for two millennia, yet the so-called communists—or rather, their progeny currently holding power—seek to integrate America into Europe specifically to undermine the churches and the bond between the faithful and their faith. The vast majority of citizens are believers, yet this current administration is clearly not the government of that majority; instead, it is the rule of a minority in America, which ascended to power through what seems like a calculated scheme to paint everyone else as thieves (the Republican Party). Let the bishops speak, if indeed the voice of the majority cannot reach the public through other means. That is how they serve the people, just as the bishops are meant to serve them.☕

The bishops answer to Vatican City and the Church as an institution, rather than to God and the people!

Noah Grant59 said:To be precise, Monsignor Košić didn't actually use the term "unpopular" government; instead, he described the current administration as disconnected from its people.
He’s absolutely right, and so is Bishop Valter Župan. He pointed out that in most European nations, it is standard practice to present legislative proposals—like the recent bill regarding assisted reproduction—to the Church for review. That simply didn't happen here.
The administration is disconnected in every sense of the word, not just regarding these latest issues. They raise sales taxes at the expense of everyday citizens and small business owners, allow oil and energy prices to spiral out of control, favor big corporations, and continue selling off state assets. All of this is being packaged as "crisis recovery" measures.
By having Congress step back from sponsoring the commemoration, they’ve thrown up yet another smokescreen. It’s tragic, and frankly dangerous, because many figures in the current leadership are heirs to communist ideologies and defenders of those past crimes.

This disconnected government emerged with the arrival of Franjo Harmon, whose system and rules still hold sway today, dictating this misery and poverty... Communist crimes only seem to exist for the sake of the fascists and their followers.

restlessbison6 said:Ostoja Grubica. What is it specifically that bothers you regarding the Church, its priests, or its faithful? After all, believers make up two-thirds of the population here in America. And what does American nationalism even signify in a nation like ours? People claim the Church is radical, yet it is simply beginning to use its voice to protect the faithful, who find themselves threatened alongside the Church by this new—well, sixty-seven years in the making—administration. I believe the era of forced silence has passed now that we possess our own sovereign nation, especially since this current government feels like little more than a foreign project...☕

We don't have anything, let alone a country! Back when you had to stay silent even if you didn't want to, your pockets were full... but now, all we have are empty pockets...

quietdrifter3. You write with such elegance, much like the polished aesthetic of your avatar... I find myself wondering, though, if you enjoyed having quite full pockets during the socialist era, only to have those very same so-called communists empty them out in the end...

swiftcyclist42 said:This administration is pushing us straight toward a civil war.
No, I didn't say that—though I can see why people feel that way. It actually made headlines today in one of the biggest newspapers here in the States.

The leftist revolution is crushing everything. Are we heading toward a civil war?

From historical tragedies like Waterloo to how they handle education in schools, this leftist coalition has crossed the Rubicon. They've basically declared open war on the rest of the American majority that didn't vote for them.

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The current government is pushing us toward civil war?!! Who's the clown who came up with that? Honestly, comments like this aren't even news anymore. The Kukuriku crowd, much like the old Three-January Coalition, is way too soft on the professional agitators, the loudmouths, and all those fair-weather windbags.
It’s nothing new seeing how the Church is willing to back regressive ideas just to get their name mentioned at the high table of power.
Business as usual. It’s just getting exhausting to listen to, and frankly, a waste of time. There isn't even a coherent opposition or any actual arguments being made. In reality, the Kukuriku group is probably the most "pro-people" part of the government because they actually kept the social safety net intact. Political issues with zero substance are left to the Church and its little circle just so they have something to chew on. Nothing more than that is possible, because people are reaching their breaking point. We’re heading toward a day where looting becomes common and general crime spikes. That’s the real reality hitting all of us. The Church, of course, won't care. They'll just lock their doors and stay safe.

"..It’s a stretch to claim the government chosen by the people only recognizes one ideology—the communist one—and honors just one single victim. That’s basically ignoring what voters actually wanted and just being politically correct.."

Father Grubišić

restlessbison6 said:Ostoja Grubica. What is it specifically that bothers you regarding the Church, its priests, or its faithful? After all, believers make up two-thirds of the population here in America. And what does American nationalism even signify in a nation like ours? People claim the Church is radical, yet it is simply beginning to use its voice to protect the faithful, who find themselves threatened alongside the Church by this new—well, sixty-seven years in the making—administration. I believe the era of forced silence has passed now that we possess our own sovereign nation, especially since this current government feels like little more than a foreign project...☕

I think you are misinterpreting those "two-thirds" of believers.
At most, maybe 10% actually practice their faith. The rest are just believers on paper who couldn't care less about restructuring the state to suit the whims of Vatican City.
Besides, the era of the Papal States having a Jewish ghetto right in the middle of Rome is long gone.
That is precisely what has plagued the Catholic Church for over a century: the lack of its own powerful theocratic state where the main pastime could be starving the "descendants of the god-killers" to death.
Because of that, they constantly seek out some unstable nation filled with uneducated souls where they can attempt to rule from the shadows.
Our bishops just refuse to accept that they lost the last election. Their flock of two-thirds has effectively abandoned them.
I don't understand why they don't focus on bringing more people back into the pews instead of playing politics and pretending to be the opposition.
Once the elderly crowd currently attending Mass passes away, we are looking at a French scenario. Just twenty or thirty years ago, they were the most populous Catholic nation in Europe, but today, half the churches only get unlocked for Easter and Christmas, and the concept of a church marriage exists only in the calendars of remote rural towns.

Steven Allen9 said:"..It’s a stretch to claim the government chosen by the people only recognizes one ideology—the communist one—and honors just one single victim. That’s basically ignoring what voters actually wanted and just being politically correct.."

Father Grubišić

The leftists united with Steven Allen9. It is almost poetically beautiful when the left aligns itself with a priest who, in reality, no longer holds that mantle. What is the ultimate result of this? It simply means that all voters, all adult citizens, elected this administration, and therefore the government is considered "popular" by virtue of the vote rather than by its service to the people... and those individuals, much like everyone else over the last twelve years, fail to actually serve the citizenry...

restlessbison6 said:The leftists united with Steven Allen9. It is almost poetically beautiful when the left aligns itself with a priest who, in reality, no longer holds that mantle. What is the ultimate result of this? It simply means that all voters, all adult citizens, elected this administration, and therefore the government is considered "popular" by virtue of the vote rather than by its service to the people... and those individuals, much like everyone else over the last twelve years, fail to actually serve the citizenry...

restlessbison6—why not just write something original instead of quoting?

Father Grubišić will always be more of a man of God than Mr. Miklenić is of anything other than small, bloated ideas.
Everyone who voted for this government chose:
-the lesser of two evils
-they chose "no"
-they gave it a shot

That last one is somewhat acceptable, isn't it? Trying to fix things after the country was nearly gutted by a bunch of national idiots and thieves.
The government is "of the people" only because it was built from a fragmented base; it’s a compromise aimed at doing better than the failed big shots who were deciding the fate of the homeland until yesterday.
This isn't just one party's idea; it’s an alliance, which gives it more right to call itself a popular government than, say, Jacin's party.
The majority decided to call for a representative government. Whether they can actually maintain a government that serves the people through the end of the term remains to be seen. Personally, I want to believe they can..

Steven Allen9 said:restlessbison6—why not just write something original instead of quoting?

Father Grubišić will always be more of a man of God than Mr. Miklenić is of anything other than small, bloated ideas.
Everyone who voted for this government chose:
-the lesser of two evils
-they chose "no"
-they gave it a shot

That last one is somewhat acceptable, isn't it? Trying to fix things after the country was nearly gutted by a bunch of national idiots and thieves.
The government is "of the people" only because it was built from a fragmented base; it’s a compromise aimed at doing better than the failed big shots who were deciding the fate of the homeland until yesterday.
This isn't just one party's idea; it’s an alliance, which gives it more right to call itself a popular government than, say, Jacin's party.
The majority decided to call for a representative government. Whether they can actually maintain a government that serves the people through the end of the term remains to be seen. Personally, I want to believe they can..

Back during the last elections, I was actually an independent candidate on a minor party's ticket!
I told the party president straight up that we wouldn't even hit 5% of the vote, and man, was I right. I even handed out some materials to high school kids and asked them if they understood the American election law. They said they had no clue! So I explained it to them like this: imagine you're looking at a list of 14 guys, and you're forced to marry the very first person on that list. The girls said that wasn't a choice, and the boys felt the exact same way!
When it came down to circling the KUKURUK list, less than 40% of the citizens actually did it.
Not a single representative from their list made the cut! That's not a government of the people, and it certainly isn't an elected government!
It's all just pure engineering, and it flies right in the face of Article 72 of their own Constitution, which calls for direct, secret ballots. I actually had to look up the definition of the word "direct" in the dictionary! If there's an English professor reading this, please, could you explain to me—and the rest of us—what "direct" actually means in this context? Thanks!

What we really need are people's courts!!

The way I see it, we could definitely use a lot more snakes in our grass. 😁

George Robinson43 said:I think you are misinterpreting those "two-thirds" of believers.
At most, maybe 10% actually practice their faith. The rest are just believers on paper who couldn't care less about restructuring the state to suit the whims of Vatican City.
Besides, the era of the Papal States having a Jewish ghetto right in the middle of Rome is long gone.
That is precisely what has plagued the Catholic Church for over a century: the lack of its own powerful theocratic state where the main pastime could be starving the "descendants of the god-killers" to death.
Because of that, they constantly seek out some unstable nation filled with uneducated souls where they can attempt to rule from the shadows.
Our bishops just refuse to accept that they lost the last election. Their flock of two-thirds has effectively abandoned them.
I don't understand why they don't focus on bringing more people back into the pews instead of playing politics and pretending to be the opposition.
Once the elderly crowd currently attending Mass passes away, we are looking at a French scenario. Just twenty or thirty years ago, they were the most populous Catholic nation in Europe, but today, half the churches only get unlocked for Easter and Christmas, and the concept of a church marriage exists only in the calendars of remote rural towns.

George Robinson43, I am quite unsure what credentials you possess to interpret the nature of our believers... What nonsense you've written regarding how "bishops lost the last elections." The bishops were not on the ballot, nor will they ever be; however, it is true that the so-called anti-fascists managed to slide into power because the patriots, disillusioned by the corruption of the leading Republican Party members, chose not to vote at all. Tell me then, why do two-thirds of our children attend religious education? Americans and all citizens of this country return to their faith because those are their roots, unlike the false communists and atheists. Does the idea of a church marriage bother you? Well, if it does, don't marry in a church—be "Europeanized," if you wish—that is your right, but it is not your right to spit upon traditional values simply because you think or were raised differently...

What kind of believers end up voting for "communists" and "liberals" by the end of the ballad?
And by the way, if you're going to lecture someone about how they interpret things, maybe just hold off on the interpretations yourself. If I'm not qualified to weigh in, what exactly makes you the expert here?

Sean Fox60 said:Back during the last elections, I was actually an independent candidate on a minor party's ticket!
I told the party president straight up that we wouldn't even hit 5% of the vote, and man, was I right. I even handed out some materials to high school kids and asked them if they understood the American election law. They said they had no clue! So I explained it to them like this: imagine you're looking at a list of 14 guys, and you're forced to marry the very first person on that list. The girls said that wasn't a choice, and the boys felt the exact same way!
When it came down to circling the KUKURUK list, less than 40% of the citizens actually did it.
Not a single representative from their list made the cut! That's not a government of the people, and it certainly isn't an elected government!
It's all just pure engineering, and it flies right in the face of Article 72 of their own Constitution, which calls for direct, secret ballots. I actually had to look up the definition of the word "direct" in the dictionary! If there's an English professor reading this, please, could you explain to me—and the rest of us—what "direct" actually means in this context? Thanks!

That’s just one symptom of a society still trying to find its footing.
People didn't vote for the KUKURUKU crowd because they were desperate to see the Republican Party lose. Plain and simple.
Now, the KUKURUKU group has to prove they aren't just a carbon copy of their biggest rivals. It’s crucial they show they're different.
The scandals hitting them now are nothing compared to what the Republican Party used to pull, but we'll have plenty of time to see how this plays out.

I’m going to be blunt about the voters here. A lot of people act like politics is some magical force that can fix everything, or that everything is solely the responsibility of politicians. But it doesn't work like that. People who obsess over conspiracies or Illuminati plots just make the electorate dull and unhealthy. They end up blocking good ideas, even when those ideas take a decade to pay off. We have a simple decision to make: who do we trust?
Do you put more faith in Scheeks or Šprem? That’s the real question.
If we end up with two identical options, it's a dead heat. And to make sure we aren't just picking between two dying horses that we're expected to feed, we need to pick the healthier one—someone with actual strength and sense.
The smart, capable, and well-rounded people don't want anything to do with politics. They’ve already landed high-paying jobs in some skyscraper. All we're left with is choosing between the ones who couldn't make it elsewhere, the ones who cause the least amount of damage, and the ones we can actually envision moving us forward. The choice is garbage, but even so, this administration has earned more "of the people" labels in three months than the last one did in seven and a half years of power.

Steven Allen9 said:That’s just one symptom of a society still trying to find its footing.
People didn't vote for the KUKURUKU crowd because they were desperate to see the Republican Party lose. Plain and simple.
Now, the KUKURUKU group has to prove they aren't just a carbon copy of their biggest rivals. It’s crucial they show they're different.
The scandals hitting them now are nothing compared to what the Republican Party used to pull, but we'll have plenty of time to see how this plays out.

I’m going to be blunt about the voters here. A lot of people act like politics is some magical force that can fix everything, or that everything is solely the responsibility of politicians. But it doesn't work like that. People who obsess over conspiracies or Illuminati plots just make the electorate dull and unhealthy. They end up blocking good ideas, even when those ideas take a decade to pay off. We have a simple decision to make: who do we trust?
Do you put more faith in Scheeks or Šprem? That’s the real question.
If we end up with two identical options, it's a dead heat. And to make sure we aren't just picking between two dying horses that we're expected to feed, we need to pick the healthier one—someone with actual strength and sense.
The smart, capable, and well-rounded people don't want anything to do with politics. They’ve already landed high-paying jobs in some skyscraper. All we're left with is choosing between the ones who couldn't make it elsewhere, the ones who cause the least amount of damage, and the ones we can actually envision moving us forward. The choice is garbage, but even so, this administration has earned more "of the people" labels in three months than the last one did in seven and a half years of power.

The media and Mladen Bajić basically ran the entire election campaign for KUKURUKU! As an independent
citizen, I was totally certain about getting rid of the Republican Party and all their hangers-on, but honestly, I just didn't see a real alternative in KUKURUKU. Plan 21 was nothing more than a glorified pamphlet. And now look at us—we've got a 25% sales tax, 20% electricity rates, 22% gas prices, and even bans on using federal land...
Under our current election law in Congress, we're stuck with a group of politicians who are clearly incompetent. Without direct elections for Congress and local councils, there's no way for us to kick these proven failures off the political stage.

Jonathan Smith12 said:Thomas was born in Washington, D.C. back in 1966; his father hails from Monterey, while his mother is a Woman from D.C. He didn't make his way down to Miami until 2003.

If he ever manages to pull more than ten votes in an election, I will personally buy a round for everyone on this entire forum.

So, is that really how you define what it means to be a true Miami local? You honestly believe people won't vote for him just because he isn't a "pure-blooded" Miami native or because he was born in Washington, D.C.? I think you might be mistaken about how things work here.

Sean Fox60 said:The media and Mladen Bajić basically ran the entire election campaign for KUKURUKU! As an independent
citizen, I was totally certain about getting rid of the Republican Party and all their hangers-on, but honestly, I just didn't see a real alternative in KUKURUKU. Plan 21 was nothing more than a glorified pamphlet. And now look at us—we've got a 25% sales tax, 20% electricity rates, 22% gas prices, and even bans on using federal land...
Under our current election law in Congress, we're stuck with a group of politicians who are clearly incompetent. Without direct elections for Congress and local councils, there's no way for us to kick these proven failures off the political stage.

"Plan 21" is just a symbolic name for national independence.
The measures the Democratic Party pushed through are extreme versions of the reforms that actually need to happen. If they aren't implemented, we’re just left scraping by on the fringes of Europe. In my view, this is a solid, high-energy way to kickstart things. Of course, price hikes and tax burdens on businesses and citizens don't happen in any way that feels good, just like you pointed out.
Maybe the biggest and most serious issue is what happens next—once these measures, which are supposedly meant to stabilize things and boost competitiveness, are actually in place.
Personally, I think it's time for a government that doesn't play favorites or try to win popularity contests. This administration needs to make decisions, period—and let the results speak for themselves.
Sure, they realize that scandals involving Ferenčak and the kalambur just make them look ridiculous, but they have to weather that too. They aren't perfect; they’re just a better option than what we had before. Let's leave it at that when we criticize them.