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Secessionism in the United States

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Timothy Evans2 Timothy Evans2 MemberOP
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#1 ·
I assume you've all heard the chatter about those Texas secessionists demanding the restoration of the Republic of Texas.
I’m fairly certain you’re also aware of the various paramilitary outfits operating out of Michigan and Minnesota.
Are you even aware that over in Vermont, way up in New England, there's a massive movement pushing for Vermont to break away from the United States entirely?
Do I really need to sit here and lecture you on the history of the C.S.A. and the political stance of the Southern states?
California is practically on the verge of being completely overwhelmed by Mexican immigrants, which forced a rather negligent federal government to finally pay attention to the voices of Californians who are now calling for their own independence.

It seems like every single state has some sort of secessionist movement, association, or club lurking in the shadows.
The United States is a global superpower, yet internally, it functions as an incredibly fractured continent-sized nation.
What’s your take—do you think we'll actually see states officially splintering off from the United States in the future?
Nationalism is surging across the United States, spreading like wildfire.
The economic crisis has driven one group of people to wage war against Wall Street, while driving others to turn inward and focus solely on the interests of their own individual states.
silvercrane38 silvercrane38 Member
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#2 ·
Let's go ahead and add The Bonnie Blue Flag state—Texas—to the list.
http://i44.tinypic.com/j6sked.png
northernsailor8 northernsailor8 Active Member
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#3 ·
Those movements are about as significant or widespread as the Republican Party. ☕
Melissa Chavez6 Melissa Chavez6 Member
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#4 ·
A civil rights non-profit recently noted that while there were only 149 militia and patriot groups when Barack Obama took office, that number has surged to over 1,200 today—a massive 755 percent increase. http://usnews.msnbc.msn.com/_news/20...th-of-militias

Documentary on Ku Klux Klan paramilitary formations http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eQ0f1...eature=related

Separatism and racism are surging in the American South, with paramilitary groups jumping from 149 to 1,200—that's a 755% spike. The United States endured its Civil War from April 12, 1861, to April 9, 1865. Jefferson Davis led the Southern Confederacy, while Abraham Lincoln headed the Union; Lincoln ultimately won, though he was assassinated in a theater by an actor he actually liked. It’s been 150 years, but North-South tensions are resurfacing. Since Barack Obama took office, radical outfits like the Ku Klux Klan have seen an alarming rise in popularity, and racist militia bases in the South are popping up everywhere. Beyond that, Southern states are increasingly pulling away with their own National Guard units. That is a ticking time bomb, especially given the current recession and mass unemployment. In the South, corporations and farms are failing, and banks—mostly owned by Northerners and Jewish interests—are foreclosing on homes. People in the South are looking toward racism or even Nazism as an escape, evidenced by the record gun sales in Southern states last year. Attacks on Jews, Black Americans, and Northerners are on the rise. Things will only get worse if Barack Obama is ever elected to the presidency again.
quieteagle5 quieteagle5 Member
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#5 ·
silvercrane38 said:Let's go ahead and add The Bonnie Blue Flag state—Texas—to the list.
http://i44.tinypic.com/j6sked.png

They operate under the name Rot (Republic of Texas).
granitefalcon26 granitefalcon26 Active Member
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#6 ·
Here we go again with the pipe dreams and the endless rambling from armchair revolutionaries.☕
Back in the day, people used to sing about how the United States and England would eventually become proletarian nations. Well, none of that ever actually happened—except for the fact that socialism and communism collapsed across the map.
Now, I’m seeing everyone craving the breakup of the United States. Trust me, you don't want that. It won't be like the USSR. 😁
rowdyowl rowdyowl Regular
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#7 ·
The militias in Michigan aren't actually separatist groups. They’re just pushing back against the federal government's liberal agenda and the overrepresentation of minority interests.
Dana Robinson4 Dana Robinson4 Active Member
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#8 ·
And of course...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Republic_of_Lakotah
Joshua Diaz18 Joshua Diaz18 Member
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#9 ·
ExxonMobil says:
Secessionist sentiment and racism are surging across the American South, and the number of paramilitary groups has exploded from 149 to 1,200—that's a massive 755% spike

Look, in the US, especially down in the South, you could probably argue that any local civic group or even a neighborhood retiree club counts as a paramilitary outfit since everyone's already walking around armed anyway...
Carl Johnson58 Carl Johnson58 Newcomer
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#10 ·
The separatist movements in the West Coast and the Republic of the Mississippi River sound way more credible to me

But since you're listing everyone, I don't get how you could overlook the Cascadia group. They're probably the biggest 😁
goldensailor15 goldensailor15 Active Member
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#11 ·
Not unless... until they stop exporting war, sucking other countries dry for their resources, and basically just practicing pure parasitism to keep the USA on life support... then we can talk.
rowdyraven13 rowdyraven13 Newcomer
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#12 ·
Most of these various "secessionist" movements—those groups that might be categorized as white-led, such as the CSA, Texas, Vermont, or the Pacific Northwest—are little more than local political folklore; they may be colorful, certainly, but they lack even the slightest hint of becoming a significant political force.

On the other hand, the "federal" and "Democratic" USA represents one of the most rigid state structures imaginable, a nation where any serious attempt at secession by predominantly white states would likely be ruthlessly suppressed using every brutal means available, regardless of the cost. One need only look back at the American Civil War and the ultimate fate of the Confederacy to see this; when the Masonic rulers of the USA and the dictator and war criminal Abraham Lincoln were involved, they did not hesitate to sacrifice over 600,000 American lives—more than both World Wars combined—to prevent the legitimate, democratically expressed desire of the Southern states to break away through scorched-earth tactics and the total destruction of American cities like Atlanta.

The only form of secessionism that seems not just plausible, but almost inevitable in the near future, is the concept of Aztlan—the formation of a new Mexican state spanning the American Southwest, including Texas, New Mexico, Arizona, Nevada, and California, along with parts of neighboring regions. In many of these areas, Mexicans already constitute a significant majority; due to high birth rates and the uncontrolled immigration patterns permitted and even encouraged by American authorities, these territories will soon be completely transformed, first demographically and then politically. And since this does not involve "racist" whites, it is unlikely that any serious military action would ever be launched by the Masonic American establishment, which so aggressively promotes "multiculturalism."

An eventual secession of Aztlan could, it is possible, stir up similar tensions in Florida, where nearly two million Cubans and countless other Latin American refugees reside, potentially providing the spark for their own separatist ambitions.

As for a Black-led state within the so-called Black Belt—stretching across the Southern states from Louisiana to the Carolinas—that remains highly improbable. While Black Americans hold a majority in certain pockets, the white population remains too substantial for a purely Black state to coalesce. Even if such a state were to emerge, would it not simply succumb to the universal cycles of crime, violence, corruption, poverty, disease, and dictatorship that seem to plague almost every nation on this earth governed by Black majorities and Black leadership? One need only look at the historical precedents of South Africa and Rhodesia.
rowdyowl rowdyowl Regular
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#13 ·
Cubans tend to be fiercely loyal to the USA, often leaning heavily toward the Republican party. On the other hand, you see fewer Mexicans in the political sphere, and when they are, they mostly align with the Democrats.
Sarah James4 Sarah James4 Active Member
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#14 ·
rowdyraven13 said:Most of these various "secessionist" movements—those groups that might be categorized as white-led, such as the CSA, Texas, Vermont, or the Pacific Northwest—are little more than local political folklore; they may be colorful, certainly, but they lack even the slightest hint of becoming a significant political force.

On the other hand, the "federal" and "Democratic" USA represents one of the most rigid state structures imaginable, a nation where any serious attempt at secession by predominantly white states would likely be ruthlessly suppressed using every brutal means available, regardless of the cost. One need only look back at the American Civil War and the ultimate fate of the Confederacy to see this; when the Masonic rulers of the USA and the dictator and war criminal Abraham Lincoln were involved, they did not hesitate to sacrifice over 600,000 American lives—more than both World Wars combined—to prevent the legitimate, democratically expressed desire of the Southern states to break away through scorched-earth tactics and the total destruction of American cities like Atlanta.

The only form of secessionism that seems not just plausible, but almost inevitable in the near future, is the concept of Aztlan—the formation of a new Mexican state spanning the American Southwest, including Texas, New Mexico, Arizona, Nevada, and California, along with parts of neighboring regions. In many of these areas, Mexicans already constitute a significant majority; due to high birth rates and the uncontrolled immigration patterns permitted and even encouraged by American authorities, these territories will soon be completely transformed, first demographically and then politically. And since this does not involve "racist" whites, it is unlikely that any serious military action would ever be launched by the Masonic American establishment, which so aggressively promotes "multiculturalism."

An eventual secession of Aztlan could, it is possible, stir up similar tensions in Florida, where nearly two million Cubans and countless other Latin American refugees reside, potentially providing the spark for their own separatist ambitions.

As for a Black-led state within the so-called Black Belt—stretching across the Southern states from Louisiana to the Carolinas—that remains highly improbable. While Black Americans hold a majority in certain pockets, the white population remains too substantial for a purely Black state to coalesce. Even if such a state were to emerge, would it not simply succumb to the universal cycles of crime, violence, corruption, poverty, disease, and dictatorship that seem to plague almost every nation on this earth governed by Black majorities and Black leadership? One need only look at the historical precedents of South Africa and Rhodesia.

That's just plain wrong. If you knew anything about Texas history, you'd realize the Mexican population has always been a major force, even back when Texas was its own republic. They were part of building everything there...
northernsailor8 northernsailor8 Active Member
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#15 ·
rowdyraven13 said:Most of these various "secessionist" movements—those groups that might be categorized as white-led, such as the CSA, Texas, Vermont, or the Pacific Northwest—are little more than local political folklore; they may be colorful, certainly, but they lack even the slightest hint of becoming a significant political force.

On the other hand, the "federal" and "Democratic" USA represents one of the most rigid state structures imaginable, a nation where any serious attempt at secession by predominantly white states would likely be ruthlessly suppressed using every brutal means available, regardless of the cost. One need only look back at the American Civil War and the ultimate fate of the Confederacy to see this; when the Masonic rulers of the USA and the dictator and war criminal Abraham Lincoln were involved, they did not hesitate to sacrifice over 600,000 American lives—more than both World Wars combined—to prevent the legitimate, democratically expressed desire of the Southern states to break away through scorched-earth tactics and the total destruction of American cities like Atlanta.

The only form of secessionism that seems not just plausible, but almost inevitable in the near future, is the concept of Aztlan—the formation of a new Mexican state spanning the American Southwest, including Texas, New Mexico, Arizona, Nevada, and California, along with parts of neighboring regions. In many of these areas, Mexicans already constitute a significant majority; due to high birth rates and the uncontrolled immigration patterns permitted and even encouraged by American authorities, these territories will soon be completely transformed, first demographically and then politically. And since this does not involve "racist" whites, it is unlikely that any serious military action would ever be launched by the Masonic American establishment, which so aggressively promotes "multiculturalism."

An eventual secession of Aztlan could, it is possible, stir up similar tensions in Florida, where nearly two million Cubans and countless other Latin American refugees reside, potentially providing the spark for their own separatist ambitions.

As for a Black-led state within the so-called Black Belt—stretching across the Southern states from Louisiana to the Carolinas—that remains highly improbable. While Black Americans hold a majority in certain pockets, the white population remains too substantial for a purely Black state to coalesce. Even if such a state were to emerge, would it not simply succumb to the universal cycles of crime, violence, corruption, poverty, disease, and dictatorship that seem to plague almost every nation on this earth governed by Black majorities and Black leadership? One need only look at the historical precedents of South Africa and Rhodesia.

Ignoring the remaining heap of words in your post that visually resemble sentences—though they might only look meaningful to the uninformed—I think I'll skip this chronic, uneducated brain dump, which seems saturated with everything from racism to medical denialism, and just focus on the quote itself.

Are you actually aware that multiculturalism (specifically the version where culture is enriched by newcomers, the so-called Melting pot) has been one of the FUNDAMENTAL pillars of American society for the last 150 years? It’s arguably what propelled the country to become the world's leading economic and military superpower so rapidly.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Multicu...#United_States
rowdyraven13 rowdyraven13 Newcomer
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#16 ·
Sarah James4 said:That's just plain wrong. If you knew anything about Texas history, you'd realize the Mexican population has always been a major force, even back when Texas was its own republic. They were part of building everything there...

My thanks to Sarah James4 for that enlightening insight. Truly, without your precious contribution, how could I have possibly known that there were always large numbers of Mexicans in Texas, especially before Americans took it over from Mexico? Of course, there are "absolutely none" left compared to what there used to be. But please, don't strain your mind with instant history, politics, or demographics; why not go paint your nails, pluck your eyelashes, or engage in something much more suited to your talents than actual thought ☕?

northernsailor8 said:Ignoring the remaining heap of words in your post that visually resemble sentences—though they might only look meaningful to the uninformed—I think I'll skip this chronic, uneducated brain dump, which seems saturated with everything from racism to medical denialism, and just focus on the quote itself.

Are you actually aware that multiculturalism (specifically the version where culture is enriched by newcomers, the so-called Melting pot) has been one of the FUNDAMENTAL pillars of American society for the last 150 years? It’s arguably what propelled the country to become the world's leading economic and military superpower so rapidly.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Multicu...#United_States

One can only assume that this incoherent jumble of puffed-up "politically correct" catchphrases (my personal favorite being "enrichment provided by newcomers" 🙂), insults, and exemplary "useful idiocy" with which you have battered your keyboard has thoroughly exhausted an evidently feeble brain. To someone possessing an IQ higher than room temperature, I might attempt to explain who (which groups of people) built the greatest global power of the USA, and what exactly this cancer called "multiculturalism" is doing to this country and the rest of Western civilization today, but I suspect such an effort would be quite futile in your case ☕.
wiredraven82 wiredraven82 Active Member
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#17 ·
Secessionism simply can't take root in the United States—mostly because it’s arguably the least democratic nation on the planet.
Steven Allen9 Steven Allen9 Active Member
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#18 ·
granitefalcon26 said:Here we go again with the pipe dreams and the endless rambling from armchair revolutionaries.☕
Back in the day, people used to sing about how the United States and England would eventually become proletarian nations. Well, none of that ever actually happened—except for the fact that socialism and communism collapsed across the map.
Now, I’m seeing everyone craving the breakup of the United States. Trust me, you don't want that. It won't be like the USSR. 😁

It's not leftist nonsense; it's just the reality of the American Right. Look at the micro level—how many paramilitary groups are scattered from the Midwest all the way to the Pacific Northwest? Every state has its own ultimate militia or group dedicated to using weapons to claim independence from a federal government they despise.
Look at Waco and the Branch Davidians in '93, or the Oklahoma City bombing in '95. Those are just the extreme examples of what makes up this "underground" America.

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