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Susan Green15 Susan Green15 MemberOP
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#1 ·
What could possibly be the noble reasoning behind an omniscient God choosing not to share the kind of knowledge that could save millions of lives or simply make our existence less of a struggle?
During the Middle Ages, countless millions perished from the plague and various other ailments, not to mention the periods of famine caused by things like potato blight wiping out crops.
Why didn't God explain the mechanics of the plague or how to treat it, instead just watching silently as millions died, leaving us to stumble upon the cures entirely on our own?

Why do people continue to praise Jesus for miraculous healings rather than criticizing him for using his knowledge and abilities for his own promotion and glory, instead of teaching humanity medicine so we could actually heal ourselves—both in greater numbers and long after his passing?
Mark Foster Mark Foster Newcomer
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#2 ·
Well, I believe healing can still take place even after His passing. You really ought to spend some time reading through the Bible... specifically the Epistles and things of that nature.
It’s often said that the amount of healing you receive is directly tied to the depth of your faith... what else can one truly say about such a thing? 🙂
After all, why would God choose to perform a healing specifically for you?
copperdrifter26 copperdrifter26 Active Member
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#3 ·
Mark Foster said:Well, I believe healing can still take place even after His passing. You really ought to spend some time reading through the Bible... specifically the Epistles and things of that nature.
It’s often said that the amount of healing you receive is directly tied to the depth of your faith... what else can one truly say about such a thing? 🙂
After all, why would God choose to perform a healing specifically for you?

And if healing is so easy through faith, why aren't there millions of hungry children being fed in Africa?🙂
Susan Green15 Susan Green15 MemberOP
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Mark Foster said:Well, I believe healing can still take place even after His passing. You really ought to spend some time reading through the Bible... specifically the Epistles and things of that nature.
It’s often said that the amount of healing you receive is directly tied to the depth of your faith... what else can one truly say about such a thing? 🙂
After all, why would God choose to perform a healing specifically for you?

I don't recall ever hearing about God regrowing someone’s severed arm or leg, regardless of how fervently they prayed or how much faith they possessed.
Does the Bible actually record any mass healings, or is it just isolated instances of someone being cured of a plague, a parasite, a demon, or something along those lines?
If we are looking for some sort of balance, I'd point to the massive scale of child mortality and the general slaughter of entire populations. In my estimation, God has actually killed more people than God and Jesus combined have healed or brought back to life.
Lisa Morales4 Lisa Morales4 Active Member
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#5 ·
Does the person who started this thread actually know the original reason or purpose for why Man was placed on this planet?

And why direct every single question toward God?
It’s pretty obvious who the boss is down here on Earth. Why don't you try working for Him instead? Or is He already way too busy dealing with all the different illnesses being thrown at Man?!
rowdyraven13 rowdyraven13 Newcomer
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One might respond to this with a single counter-question: Why don't these bewildered skeptics bother to reflect on the subject at all before they start lobbing such mindless inquiries?

First of all, to whom exactly is this question being directed? To believers? How would we even know? You won't believe me, my dear atheists and antitheists, but God doesn't hold daily "briefings" with us to explain His plans or His actions. Furthermore, one has to wonder if any human being would truly be capable of grasping the designs and imaginings of the Creator.

This question, however, perfectly illustrates the specific type of person who abandons faith to declare themselves an atheist. They are people with a parasitic mindset, lazy individuals who expect God to function as a concierge service—expecting Him to use His omnipotence to solve their problems for them. Then, when they see that isn't how it works, and realize that God likely expects humans to actually put in some effort (after all, why else would He grant us such brains?), they walk away from God and faith in disappointment. It is much like how they abandon people who fail to be sufficiently useful or meet their expectations, or how they abandon ideals that require actual sacrifice and toil.

It is these very people who sit here bemoaning the death of the sick, the plight of hungry children, or perhaps a sudden freeze in San Francisco, yet they aren't even willing to lift a finger to address the very problems that supposedly trouble them so deeply. Instead, they expect God, the government, politicians, or anyone else to simply "do something." They proceed to blame everything around them—starting with God—for various failures, yet not once does it occur to them that they haven't lifted a finger themselves to help those sick or hungry children. Aside from, of course, their endless rambling on the internet.

And so, they pose these questions to believers as if they were detectives conducting a police interrogation. If you must ask, then go ahead and ask God, my atheist friends. Direct your queries to Him rather than to believers. Because, let’s be honest, you aren't actually interested in the answer; this is just another unoriginal, recycled tactic—one that you create yourselves—to launch an attack on faith. Your goal is to indict religion and God, not to care about the fate of the sick and hungry children whose suffering supposedly moves you.

I simply cannot fathom how anyone imagines that "God distributes knowledge" by writing us instruction manuals. What would be the point of any effort? God could, with a mere thought, heal the sick and feed the hungry. Why would He bother "educating" us or "sharing knowledge" only for us to struggle through it, when solving our problems would be effortless for Him?

But God created us exactly as we are. He gave us reason and consciousness. He gave us morality and emotion. He provided us with intelligence, the capacity for abstract thought, and the ability to learn and draw conclusions. He gave us everything necessary to become capable of attaining knowledge on our own. He gave us skillful hands to build and create. The only thing He didn't give certain people was diligence and the willingness to roll up their sleeves; and so, these individuals accuse God of negligence, laziness, or selfishness, even though they themselves are the very embodiment of those traits.

God created the entire universe and oversees its functioning. He also created our planet—our little world—and placed us within it (in His own image, and therefore similar to Him), granting us the intellectual capacity (at least to some of us) to take care of this world of ours.

So the question arises: if God intended to solve our problems for us, or if He intended to merely "hand over knowledge" without requiring our effort, why would He have bothered to instill in us qualities like intelligence, curiosity, ambition, imagination, and everything else required to explore the nature of things, to learn, and to master knowledge?
Benjamin Taylor6 Benjamin Taylor6 Regular
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#7 ·
Susan Green15 said:What could possibly be the noble reasoning behind an omniscient God choosing not to share the kind of knowledge that could save millions of lives or simply make our existence less of a struggle?
During the Middle Ages, countless millions perished from the plague and various other ailments, not to mention the periods of famine caused by things like potato blight wiping out crops.
Why didn't God explain the mechanics of the plague or how to treat it, instead just watching silently as millions died, leaving us to stumble upon the cures entirely on our own?

Why do people continue to praise Jesus for miraculous healings rather than criticizing him for using his knowledge and abilities for his own promotion and glory, instead of teaching humanity medicine so we could actually heal ourselves—both in greater numbers and long after his passing?

Why doesn't He do that?
Because God isn't wired that way. The universe is structured such that Man MUST discover everything through his own effort. You have to sweat for it. Think about it—a single antibiotic discovered by humans has saved millions of lives. Meanwhile, a prayer at some religious shrine might help a few hundred at most. Even a "bioenergetic healer" is a thousand times less effective than a simple antibiotic. If you don't believe me, run an experiment. Next time you have appendicitis, go to a church and pray. Or better yet, go visit Domančić. Personally, I suspect that out of 1,000 people suffering from acute appendicitis, maybe two or three would be cured through prayer or energy healing. The other 999 would be cured by surgery. And that one lone person who dies? Well, they probably had a weak heart or were just getting too old anyway.😢😲😁
Anthony Perez9 Anthony Perez9 Regular
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#8 ·
rowdyraven13 said:One might respond to this with a single counter-question: Why don't these bewildered skeptics bother to reflect on the subject at all before they start lobbing such mindless inquiries?

First of all, to whom exactly is this question being directed? To believers? How would we even know? You won't believe me, my dear atheists and antitheists, but God doesn't hold daily "briefings" with us to explain His plans or His actions. Furthermore, one has to wonder if any human being would truly be capable of grasping the designs and imaginings of the Creator.

This question, however, perfectly illustrates the specific type of person who abandons faith to declare themselves an atheist. They are people with a parasitic mindset, lazy individuals who expect God to function as a concierge service—expecting Him to use His omnipotence to solve their problems for them. Then, when they see that isn't how it works, and realize that God likely expects humans to actually put in some effort (after all, why else would He grant us such brains?), they walk away from God and faith in disappointment. It is much like how they abandon people who fail to be sufficiently useful or meet their expectations, or how they abandon ideals that require actual sacrifice and toil.

It is these very people who sit here bemoaning the death of the sick, the plight of hungry children, or perhaps a sudden freeze in San Francisco, yet they aren't even willing to lift a finger to address the very problems that supposedly trouble them so deeply. Instead, they expect God, the government, politicians, or anyone else to simply "do something." They proceed to blame everything around them—starting with God—for various failures, yet not once does it occur to them that they haven't lifted a finger themselves to help those sick or hungry children. Aside from, of course, their endless rambling on the internet.

And so, they pose these questions to believers as if they were detectives conducting a police interrogation. If you must ask, then go ahead and ask God, my atheist friends. Direct your queries to Him rather than to believers. Because, let’s be honest, you aren't actually interested in the answer; this is just another unoriginal, recycled tactic—one that you create yourselves—to launch an attack on faith. Your goal is to indict religion and God, not to care about the fate of the sick and hungry children whose suffering supposedly moves you.

I simply cannot fathom how anyone imagines that "God distributes knowledge" by writing us instruction manuals. What would be the point of any effort? God could, with a mere thought, heal the sick and feed the hungry. Why would He bother "educating" us or "sharing knowledge" only for us to struggle through it, when solving our problems would be effortless for Him?

But God created us exactly as we are. He gave us reason and consciousness. He gave us morality and emotion. He provided us with intelligence, the capacity for abstract thought, and the ability to learn and draw conclusions. He gave us everything necessary to become capable of attaining knowledge on our own. He gave us skillful hands to build and create. The only thing He didn't give certain people was diligence and the willingness to roll up their sleeves; and so, these individuals accuse God of negligence, laziness, or selfishness, even though they themselves are the very embodiment of those traits.

God created the entire universe and oversees its functioning. He also created our planet—our little world—and placed us within it (in His own image, and therefore similar to Him), granting us the intellectual capacity (at least to some of us) to take care of this world of ours.

So the question arises: if God intended to solve our problems for us, or if He intended to merely "hand over knowledge" without requiring our effort, why would He have bothered to instill in us qualities like intelligence, curiosity, ambition, imagination, and everything else required to explore the nature of things, to learn, and to master knowledge?

The only one who's actually lost is you. Look, the MythBusters are a famous TV atheist duo who spent their time tearing down conspiracy theories, superstitions, and all that other junk. They did great work.

But you’re just embarrassing them by using their name as your handle. Typical clout-chasing... and failing miserably at it.

Here’s a quick list of some atheists in TV, radio, and theater:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of...on_and_theater)

Jamie Hyneman (1956–): American visual effects expert, best known as the co-host of the television series MythBusters.[96]

Adam Savage (1967–): American television co-host on the program MythBusters.[171]

Kari Byron (1974–): American television host and artist, best known for her featured role on the Discovery Channel show MythBusters.[24][25]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MythBusters

Summary: both hosts are atheists. One episode even took aim at creationism. They planned to demonstrate natural selection because they were disgusted that 50% of the country (USA) still buys into biblical creationism.

Both are atheists or atheistic. Hyneman confirmed this When He was interviewed by Skepticality , and Savage Has pushed hard for a Mythbusters episode to disprove creationism.

Hyneman: "I actually before this didn't really know that much about the skeptics society, and I guess Adam and our producer were a lot more up on it and were more enthusiastic about it, but once I got into it, I became aware that unknowingly, I mean, I'm actually pretty adamant about the whole God thing. And it seems that skeptics are by and large atheists or something approaching that, which I strongly identify with, and so it turned out to be a good thing and I've become enthusiastically a part of it."

Savage: "My goal this year is to prove natural selection on the show. It's gonna take a while, it's gonna be very hard to make it fascinating on film in the context of our narrative structure, but I figure screw it. The sky's the limit. Let's do natural selection. I'm sick of fifty percent of this country thinking creationism is reasonable. It's appalling. And I have the unique ability, maybe, to sell this idea to Discovery, and they'll, they might allow me to do it, and I'm gonna try as hard as I can."

Source(s):

http://www.celebatheists.com/?title=Jami…
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adam_Savage…

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It makes you wonder, though. If God intended to just sit back instead of actually fixing our mess—if He just wanted to "hand out knowledge" without us breaking a sweat—then why bother giving us intelligence, curiosity, ambition, or the ability to imagine things that don't even exist yet? Why give us all the tools needed to study nature and master science if we weren't supposed to use them?

God and Jesus are staying silent as usual. So what’s the point of that useless hypothesis rattling around in our heads? It’s just a distraction. We have more than enough here on Earth to handle space travel and everything else.

So instead of asking God, go ask MythBusters! 😂
wearyowl29 wearyowl29 Regular
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#9 ·
Susan Green15 said:What could possibly be the noble reasoning behind an omniscient God choosing not to share the kind of knowledge that could save millions of lives or simply make our existence less of a struggle?
During the Middle Ages, countless millions perished from the plague and various other ailments, not to mention the periods of famine caused by things like potato blight wiping out crops.
Why didn't God explain the mechanics of the plague or how to treat it, instead just watching silently as millions died, leaving us to stumble upon the cures entirely on our own?

Why do people continue to praise Jesus for miraculous healings rather than criticizing him for using his knowledge and abilities for his own promotion and glory, instead of teaching humanity medicine so we could actually heal ourselves—both in greater numbers and long after his passing?

And what about all those organizations founded by profiteers in his name???
You hit the nail right on the head.
wearyowl29 wearyowl29 Regular
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#10 ·
copperdrifter26 said:And if healing is so easy through faith, why aren't there millions of hungry children being fed in Africa?🙂

Don't go being all naive and green! Seriously, you've gotta grow up a little.😁Look, I love the sentiment, I really do, but let's be real for a second—faith isn't exactly a magic pill that keeps your physical body running. You can pray all day long, but at the end of the day, you still need a decent meal to stay upright!
Benjamin Taylor6 Benjamin Taylor6 Regular
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#11 ·
wearyowl29 said:And what about all those organizations founded by profiteers in his name???
You hit the nail right on the head.

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Look, if this group actually managed to cure even 90% of all ailments, then hospitals and doctors could just pack up and shut down their doors for good.

And honestly? Do the people in this photo actually UNDERSTAND how their "treatment" works? They don't. Not a clue. It’s nothing more than theories about the PLACEBO effect.
Benjamin Taylor6 Benjamin Taylor6 Regular
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#12 ·
wearyowl29 said:Don't go being all naive and green! Seriously, you've gotta grow up a little.😁Look, I love the sentiment, I really do, but let's be real for a second—faith isn't exactly a magic pill that keeps your physical body running. You can pray all day long, but at the end of the day, you still need a decent meal to stay upright!

People seem to think we should all just act like some enlightened yogi and survive on nothing but pure energy or prana🙂

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rowdyraven13 rowdyraven13 Newcomer
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#13 ·
Anthony Perez9, I appreciate your last post. It’s become perfectly clear to me now, without a shadow of a doubt, exactly who you 😂 are.

Since you went ahead and shut down your own little corner of the internet, those open forums and town halls of yours, you’ve clearly decided to migrate here just to harass the members of this community. Please, Meho, don't try to play the innocent mailman with me; I'm not buying any of it 😍.
rowdyraven13 rowdyraven13 Newcomer
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#14 ·
wearyowl29 said:And what about all those organizations founded by profiteers in his name???
You hit the nail right on the head.

And just which organization would that be?😕
wearyowl29 wearyowl29 Regular
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#15 ·
rowdyraven13 said:Anthony Perez9, I appreciate your last post. It’s become perfectly clear to me now, without a shadow of a doubt, exactly who you 😂 are.

Since you went ahead and shut down your own little corner of the internet, those open forums and town halls of yours, you’ve clearly decided to migrate here just to harass the members of this community. Please, Meho, don't try to play the innocent mailman with me; I'm not buying any of it 😍.

Lukić hiding behind an Anthony Perez9 mask...😂😂😂
Anthony Perez9 Anthony Perez9 Regular
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#16 ·
wearyowl29 said:Lukić hiding behind an Anthony Perez9 mask...😂😂😂

Yeah, right. lol

His followers really shouldn't complain about being served that racist, anti-Semitic clown show of a website, especially with that goofy Lukić plastered all over the front page. They’re probably out there hallucinating that every person whose username they hijacked is just some reincarnation of Lukić, hiding away in a hole somewhere. 😂
Nancy Williams58 Nancy Williams58 Active Member
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#17 ·
The answer is actually pretty straightforward. It’s all about the fact that knowledge is power. Think about it—when you start handing that power out to everyone else, your own leverage naturally starts to shrink. And if you go overboard and give away too much? You basically make yourself obsolete.
Susan Green15 Susan Green15 MemberOP
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#18 ·
rowdyraven13 said:One might respond to this with a single counter-question: Why don't these bewildered skeptics bother to reflect on the subject at all before they start lobbing such mindless inquiries?

First of all, to whom exactly is this question being directed? To believers? How would we even know? You won't believe me, my dear atheists and antitheists, but God doesn't hold daily "briefings" with us to explain His plans or His actions. Furthermore, one has to wonder if any human being would truly be capable of grasping the designs and imaginings of the Creator.

This question, however, perfectly illustrates the specific type of person who abandons faith to declare themselves an atheist. They are people with a parasitic mindset, lazy individuals who expect God to function as a concierge service—expecting Him to use His omnipotence to solve their problems for them. Then, when they see that isn't how it works, and realize that God likely expects humans to actually put in some effort (after all, why else would He grant us such brains?), they walk away from God and faith in disappointment. It is much like how they abandon people who fail to be sufficiently useful or meet their expectations, or how they abandon ideals that require actual sacrifice and toil.

It is these very people who sit here bemoaning the death of the sick, the plight of hungry children, or perhaps a sudden freeze in San Francisco, yet they aren't even willing to lift a finger to address the very problems that supposedly trouble them so deeply. Instead, they expect God, the government, politicians, or anyone else to simply "do something." They proceed to blame everything around them—starting with God—for various failures, yet not once does it occur to them that they haven't lifted a finger themselves to help those sick or hungry children. Aside from, of course, their endless rambling on the internet.

And so, they pose these questions to believers as if they were detectives conducting a police interrogation. If you must ask, then go ahead and ask God, my atheist friends. Direct your queries to Him rather than to believers. Because, let’s be honest, you aren't actually interested in the answer; this is just another unoriginal, recycled tactic—one that you create yourselves—to launch an attack on faith. Your goal is to indict religion and God, not to care about the fate of the sick and hungry children whose suffering supposedly moves you.

I simply cannot fathom how anyone imagines that "God distributes knowledge" by writing us instruction manuals. What would be the point of any effort? God could, with a mere thought, heal the sick and feed the hungry. Why would He bother "educating" us or "sharing knowledge" only for us to struggle through it, when solving our problems would be effortless for Him?

But God created us exactly as we are. He gave us reason and consciousness. He gave us morality and emotion. He provided us with intelligence, the capacity for abstract thought, and the ability to learn and draw conclusions. He gave us everything necessary to become capable of attaining knowledge on our own. He gave us skillful hands to build and create. The only thing He didn't give certain people was diligence and the willingness to roll up their sleeves; and so, these individuals accuse God of negligence, laziness, or selfishness, even though they themselves are the very embodiment of those traits.

God created the entire universe and oversees its functioning. He also created our planet—our little world—and placed us within it (in His own image, and therefore similar to Him), granting us the intellectual capacity (at least to some of us) to take care of this world of ours.

So the question arises: if God intended to solve our problems for us, or if He intended to merely "hand over knowledge" without requiring our effort, why would He have bothered to instill in us qualities like intelligence, curiosity, ambition, imagination, and everything else required to explore the nature of things, to learn, and to master knowledge?

The question was actually framed around the idea that believers constantly insist God is both good and just, yet simultaneously allow children to die from illnesses despite having the knowledge required to prevent it.
I personally have no issue with the theory that God granted us intelligence and left us to struggle through life on our own terms. However, we cannot claim such a being is good or righteous if He sits idly by without intervening. It really boils down to contradictions that believers simply choose to ignore.
Imagine you were dying in the street after a car accident, and instead of helping, passersby just walked right past you—or worse, they stopped to grab a burger and a soda, sat down next to you, and watched you expire rather than calling 911 on their cell phones. I am merely pointing out that such people are cruel.
By that same logic, if God created the world along with the early viruses and bacteria that cause us to fall ill and die, then He designed a world specifically intended for suffering and misery. In my view, that is the hallmark of an evil being.
Benjamin Taylor6 Benjamin Taylor6 Regular
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#19 ·
Susan Green15 said:The question was actually framed around the idea that believers constantly insist God is both good and just, yet simultaneously allow children to die from illnesses despite having the knowledge required to prevent it.
I personally have no issue with the theory that God granted us intelligence and left us to struggle through life on our own terms. However, we cannot claim such a being is good or righteous if He sits idly by without intervening. It really boils down to contradictions that believers simply choose to ignore.
Imagine you were dying in the street after a car accident, and instead of helping, passersby just walked right past you—or worse, they stopped to grab a burger and a soda, sat down next to you, and watched you expire rather than calling 911 on their cell phones. I am merely pointing out that such people are cruel.
By that same logic, if God created the world along with the early viruses and bacteria that cause us to fall ill and die, then He designed a world specifically intended for suffering and misery. In my view, that is the hallmark of an evil being.

If that's all you care about, you could have found my thoughts on it on my blog ages ago.
electriccrane80 electriccrane80 Newcomer
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#20 ·
Look, we’ve reached a point where modern medicine and agricultural science are so advanced that most people can actually make it to middle age without falling apart. It’s wild. So, my question is this: why on earth aren't we sharing that knowledge and those resources more broadly? Is it some kind of religious hang-up? Is it because of God? And if that’s the case, how do you explain the atheists who are just as stubborn about hoarding everything?

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