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Gold: Past, Present, and Future

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Participants Melissa Sanchez17dustyheron5quiettrucker12Anthony Evans78Sean Carteranalogharbor44feralpuma12ironstag8Amanda Carter7lonehawk5briskjackal5Andrew Barrett4Dennis Fisher5granitegull51Zachary Mendoza2Christian Miller14neondriver5George Sullivan902nimblepanther18Jerry Wright6Patrick Moore3wearygull4Taylor Robinson51wearyotter36 …
Anthony Evans78 Anthony Evans78 Regular
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#141 ·
neondriver5 said:
Prove it!

My mistake—I meant silver. Gold has actually been flat for the last six months.

Did it just click for you? If you haven't realized yet, the price of gold or silver in dollars or euros doesn't mean a thing to people like us. Personally, I prefer it lower so I can stack more. I have zero intention of swapping my precious metals for depreciating paper money.

Oh, really? Are we all just hoarding silver coins and gold bullion to play a convincing game of Monopoly when society eventually collapses?
You're buying because you're playing the long, and let's be honest, you're entitled to do just that.

Silver, much like gold, has actually been CLIMBING against EVERY major currency over the last TEN years.
Funny how things look different once you shift your perspective, isn't it?

"convincing Monopoly when the neighbors drop by?"

I’m having a hard time following your logic here. Could you be a bit more direct?
We buy this stuff to PRESERVE THE VALUE OF OUR HARD WORK, not to play the long or short game.
The name of our game is a number of ounces.
ironstag8 ironstag8 Active Member
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#142 ·
neondriver5 said:
Prove it!

My mistake—I meant silver. Gold has actually been flat for the last six months.

Did it just click for you? If you haven't realized yet, the price of gold or silver in dollars or euros doesn't mean a thing to people like us. Personally, I prefer it lower so I can stack more. I have zero intention of swapping my precious metals for depreciating paper money.

Oh, really? Are we all just hoarding silver coins and gold bullion to play a convincing game of Monopoly when society eventually collapses?
You're buying because you're playing the long, and let's be honest, you're entitled to do just that.

Look, why don't you go back and re-read that 18th-century gentleman I quoted earlier? Give it a few passes—maybe even a dozen—until the lightbulb finally flickers on above your head.
analogharbor44 analogharbor44 Active Member
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#143 ·
Even though the Federal Reserve, Bank of England, Federal Reserve, and Bank of Japan all said they’d just print money forever, gold prices in those currencies haven't even budged!😂
Anthony Evans78 Anthony Evans78 Regular
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#144 ·
analogharbor44 said:Even though the Federal Reserve, Bank of England, Federal Reserve, and Bank of Japan all said they’d just print money forever, gold prices in those currencies haven't even budged!😂

It's because all that liquidity they conjured up is still just sitting in bank vaults instead of being unleashed onto the open market.
Once that floodgates finally open, you might want to find somewhere to hide.
And ideally, that hiding spot is made of gold and silver. 😉
analogharbor44 analogharbor44 Active Member
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#145 ·
Anthony Evans78 said:It's because all that liquidity they conjured up is still just sitting in bank vaults instead of being unleashed onto the open market.
Once that floodgates finally open, you might want to find somewhere to hide.
And ideally, that hiding spot is made of gold and silver. 😉

But when is that actually gonna happen? Or is it even happening at all? I'm reading that JPMorgan Chase totally cleared their issues. Everyone was freaking out saying once the first big bank goes under, it’s an instant bank run and total chaos, but nothing happened.
Anthony Evans78 Anthony Evans78 Regular
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#146 ·
I don't have a crystal ball to give you a straight answer. But we all know how this goes. Why did they get the money in the first place? Because they’re insolvent, broke, or just plain out of cash—call it whatever you want. You really think they can stay in business by constantly getting handouts from the Federal Reserve? That's not how banks operate.
UniCredit hasn't fixed a single one of its issues. They basically got a free pass to delay an inevitable collapse. What we're looking at right now is zombie banking: dead, but still walking. The fact that the funds came directly from the Federal Reserve instead of through interbank lending tells you everything you need to know. Why? Because nobody trusts anyone else anymore; they all know exactly how bad things are. It's just a matter of waiting for someone to shout "Carl is king!" and then it's game over.
Patrick Moore3 Patrick Moore3 Active Member
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#147 ·
Anthony Evans78 said:I don't have a crystal ball to give you a straight answer. But we all know how this goes. Why did they get the money in the first place? Because they’re insolvent, broke, or just plain out of cash—call it whatever you want. You really think they can stay in business by constantly getting handouts from the Federal Reserve? That's not how banks operate.
UniCredit hasn't fixed a single one of its issues. They basically got a free pass to delay an inevitable collapse. What we're looking at right now is zombie banking: dead, but still walking. The fact that the funds came directly from the Federal Reserve instead of through interbank lending tells you everything you need to know. Why? Because nobody trusts anyone else anymore; they all know exactly how bad things are. It's just a matter of waiting for someone to shout "Carl is king!" and then it's game over.

😂
That's literally what the CB is for 🤣
Anthony Evans78 Anthony Evans78 Regular
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#148 ·
The Central Bank isn't meant to bail out insolvent banks by printing money, at least that wasn't my take on things.
But if you actually believe that's their purpose, then that's your problem 🙂
Patrick Moore3 Patrick Moore3 Active Member
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#149 ·
Let Ben break it down for you:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature...eKcWAEs#t=229s
Anthony Evans78 Anthony Evans78 Regular
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#150 ·
Ben is an idiot, and everything he just said is either a lie or complete nonsense.
And this statement about gold? It’s the absolute height of narrow-mindedness.
analogharbor44 analogharbor44 Active Member
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#151 ·
Check out what Buffett is saying

http://trzistakapitala.wordpress.com...-i-neki-drugi/
dustyheron5 dustyheron5 Regular
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#152 ·
In investing, there isn't a single asset class that climbs steadily through every cycle—one era favors equities, while another might favor metals...

I honestly wonder how much WB actually cleared from those Goldman Sachs shares back in 2008... probably about the same amount NB made when they picked up ExxonMobil during that same stretch...🙂

On September 24, Buffett helped Goldman Sachs (GS) by buying GS preferred stock with a 10% coupon and warrants for $5 billion. The warrants can be exercised at $115. The stock was around $114 last week. So, the warrants are underwater.

One week later, on October 1, 2008 he invested $3 billion in General Electric (GE), which needed the cash because the commercial paper market was frozen. The GE stock had a coupon of 10% interest, the same as for the GS investment. He got warrants to buy $3 billion of stock at $22.50. The stock was trading at $18 one week ago. The warrants are underwater.
Anthony Evans78 Anthony Evans78 Regular
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#153 ·
Ah, Warren Buffett... probably the biggest insider trader in human history.
And lately, if you ask me, he seems to be losing his grip.
dustyheron5 dustyheron5 Regular
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#154 ·
Felix Zulauf: Why you need to Own Physical Gold

I trust Felix more than I trust Buffett—and frankly, Buffett is a rogue for claiming this is a class struggle where his side always comes out on top. Once an old man starts making declarations like that, there isn't much left to say...

http://www.financialsense.com/financ...-physical-gold
analogharbor44 analogharbor44 Active Member
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#155 ·
Anthony Evans78 said:Ah, Warren Buffett... probably the biggest insider trader in human history.
And lately, if you ask me, he seems to be losing his grip.

And he's incredibly rich. Don't forget that! 😍
Anthony Evans78 Anthony Evans78 Regular
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#156 ·
Even a monkey would be wealthy if they had access to the kind of information and connections he did.
dustyheron5 dustyheron5 Regular
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#157 ·
Anthony Evans78 said:Even a monkey would be wealthy if they had access to the kind of information and connections he did.


not to mention his congressman father...😂
ironstag8 ironstag8 Active Member
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#158 ·
A Permanent State of Gold Backwardation

It All Traces Back to the Debt Bubble

...Ever since that period, we've seen debt expand at an almost impossible rate across the entire American economy. It’s become this massive, self-perpetuating cycle—debt being used to collateralize more debt, built upon layers of existing debt, and aggressively leveraged with even more debt on top of it all.

If backwardation settles in as a permanent fixture, it signifies a total breakdown of confidence in the gold futures market. We aren't talking about commodities like corn or wheat here; we're talking about a scenario where millions of individuals and major Wall Street institutions hold vast amounts of physical gold. They could easily dump it into the spot market and cover their positions through futures, but if they collectively decide that isn't worth the risk, we're looking at the terminal stage of our modern financial architecture.

The endgame occurs when gold effectively stops responding to paper-based demand altogether. Once that happens, the appetite for gold in the paper markets becomes theoretically infinite—and that is precisely why the paper market is destined to crumble if it lacks actual gold to back it up.
analogharbor44 analogharbor44 Active Member
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#159 ·
ironstag8 said:A Permanent State of Gold Backwardation

It All Traces Back to the Debt Bubble

...Ever since that period, we've seen debt expand at an almost impossible rate across the entire American economy. It’s become this massive, self-perpetuating cycle—debt being used to collateralize more debt, built upon layers of existing debt, and aggressively leveraged with even more debt on top of it all.

If backwardation settles in as a permanent fixture, it signifies a total breakdown of confidence in the gold futures market. We aren't talking about commodities like corn or wheat here; we're talking about a scenario where millions of individuals and major Wall Street institutions hold vast amounts of physical gold. They could easily dump it into the spot market and cover their positions through futures, but if they collectively decide that isn't worth the risk, we're looking at the terminal stage of our modern financial architecture.

The endgame occurs when gold effectively stops responding to paper-based demand altogether. Once that happens, the appetite for gold in the paper markets becomes theoretically infinite—and that is precisely why the paper market is destined to crumble if it lacks actual gold to back it up.

Man, people have been talking about this forever and nothing ever happens. It’s like they'll never actually trade those paper gains for real gold!
Anthony Evans78 Anthony Evans78 Regular
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#160 ·
Better to be five years early than just one day too late.☕

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