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Melissa Sanchez17 Melissa Sanchez17 RegularOP
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#1841 ·
dustyheron5 said:Wall Street Journal Gold guru Doubles up on his Gold Position

Published Nov. 19, 2012 on Forbes.com

Forbes.com IT was a surprise to suddenly hear from George Soros that He Had decided to go Back in and replace The 50% of his holdings he sold some two years ago. I found myself wondering about the motivation behind such a move—because All i see is deflation and austerity, specifically the aggressive reduction in government spending across the United States, the US, the United States and elsewhere.

Then my gold guru reached out via email with this insight: "A deflationary world will force central banks to print money. Eventually, it catches up to everyone. Once money velocity accelerates, gold will prove its worth." In plain terms—he believes the dollar is headed for a slide, a total collapse, or some other catastrophic cocktail resulting from relentless overprinting.

W.B. on Jamie Dimon and those stocks...

http://www.silverdoctors.com/warren-...ury-secretary/
quiettrucker12 quiettrucker12 Regular
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#1842 ·
This isn't even about trading algorithms anymore; it’s strictly a Dollar play. If the DXY can break above 80.588, there might be enough breathing room for silver to at least test its floor and maybe even rally toward $32.50. Honestly, I'd bet my paycheck that plenty of stop-loss orders are sitting right under 1704 for gold. With the Dollar hovering so close to its 200-day moving average, don't be surprised if it tries to tap that line or hit 81.
lonehawk5 lonehawk5 Active Member
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#1843 ·
Gold demand in the US is probably going to tank by about 33 percent, hitting roughly 700 tonnes this year. People just aren't buying because prices are through the roof and inflation is killing everyone after those terrible harvest seasons... according to the World Gold Council today.

"We're looking at total demand for the year landing somewhere between 688 and 700 tonnes. That’s a massive 28 to 33 percent drop compared to last year," the WGC Managing Director for the US and Middle East, Ajay Mitra, told reporters.

But, he claims, things might pick up in the back half of the year once the holiday season and wedding season hit the final two quarters—especially if the Treasury Secretary steps in with some moves to boost confidence.

"Our take? The worst is behind us. We expect a rebound thanks to the holidays. The slide should slow down. Plus, we think all those measures coming from the Treasury will help get consumers feeling better again," he said.

Looking at the numbers, demand in the first half of the year dropped by 15 percent in value, totaling about $1.2 trillion compared to the $1.48 trillion seen during the same stretch back in 2011. Even by weight, demand plummeted 36 percent, down to 383.2 tonnes from 596 tonnes in early 2011.

"Demand in the first half of 2012 has been totally sluggish, mostly because the macro economy is a mess. The US economy has been growing at its slowest pace in nine years lately. Everyone is feeling pessimistic because the US is staring down sub-6 percent GDP growth for the fiscal year, thanks to bad weather affecting crops and a depressing global outlook," Mitra noted.

He went on to say that everything hit gold demand at once: stalling GDP, record-high local prices, and currency swings, all made worse by domestic inflation and worries over failing harvests.

Jewelry demand took a hit too, dropping 8 percent in value to about $870 billion in the first half, down from $945 billion during the same period last year.

By weight, jewelry demand crashed 30 percent, falling to 262.9 tonnes from 378 tonnes in 2011.

Investment demand sat at $398 billion, a 27 percent drop year-over-year, and in terms of actual weight, it was at 120.3 tonnes—that's 45 percent lower than the same time last year.

Local gold prices jumped 29 percent in the second quarter, averaging about $850 per ounce, up from $630 in the same quarter last year. Meanwhile, globally, the price only climbed 7 percent.

On the import side, Mitra mentioned they hit 340 tonnes in the first half, and July actually saw the best numbers since January.

"If people stop selling off their old scrap gold, imports might actually start climbing," he added.

Global supply took a huge dive, falling 48 percent to 1,117.8 tonnes in the first half compared to 2,144 tonnes last year, mostly because of bad weather and shutdowns at several mining sites.

Moving forward, mine production is likely to stay flat for the rest of 2012 before a bunch of new operations are set to launch next year.

One of the reasons for yesterday's crash...
Anthony Evans78 Anthony Evans78 Regular
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#1844 ·
Nonsense.
The only reason we saw yesterday's dip was the expiration of futures and options—not to mention those standard weekly naked short attacks.
As for the supposed drop in demand in India, the Chinese just stepped in and filled the gap without even breaking a sweat, so that argument doesn't hold much water either.
Robert Vaughn10 Robert Vaughn10 Regular
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#1845 ·
So why is this being proposed in India then?

http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&...B5x2kHHNGgGc7A

A possible explanation...

http://kingworldnews.com/kingworldne..._Planners.html
Melissa Sanchez17 Melissa Sanchez17 RegularOP
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#1846 ·
lonehawk5 said:Gold demand in the US is probably going to tank by about 33 percent, hitting roughly 700 tonnes this year. People just aren't buying because prices are through the roof and inflation is killing everyone after those terrible harvest seasons... according to the World Gold Council today.

"We're looking at total demand for the year landing somewhere between 688 and 700 tonnes. That’s a massive 28 to 33 percent drop compared to last year," the WGC Managing Director for the US and Middle East, Ajay Mitra, told reporters.

But, he claims, things might pick up in the back half of the year once the holiday season and wedding season hit the final two quarters—especially if the Treasury Secretary steps in with some moves to boost confidence.

"Our take? The worst is behind us. We expect a rebound thanks to the holidays. The slide should slow down. Plus, we think all those measures coming from the Treasury will help get consumers feeling better again," he said.

Looking at the numbers, demand in the first half of the year dropped by 15 percent in value, totaling about $1.2 trillion compared to the $1.48 trillion seen during the same stretch back in 2011. Even by weight, demand plummeted 36 percent, down to 383.2 tonnes from 596 tonnes in early 2011.

"Demand in the first half of 2012 has been totally sluggish, mostly because the macro economy is a mess. The US economy has been growing at its slowest pace in nine years lately. Everyone is feeling pessimistic because the US is staring down sub-6 percent GDP growth for the fiscal year, thanks to bad weather affecting crops and a depressing global outlook," Mitra noted.

He went on to say that everything hit gold demand at once: stalling GDP, record-high local prices, and currency swings, all made worse by domestic inflation and worries over failing harvests.

Jewelry demand took a hit too, dropping 8 percent in value to about $870 billion in the first half, down from $945 billion during the same period last year.

By weight, jewelry demand crashed 30 percent, falling to 262.9 tonnes from 378 tonnes in 2011.

Investment demand sat at $398 billion, a 27 percent drop year-over-year, and in terms of actual weight, it was at 120.3 tonnes—that's 45 percent lower than the same time last year.

Local gold prices jumped 29 percent in the second quarter, averaging about $850 per ounce, up from $630 in the same quarter last year. Meanwhile, globally, the price only climbed 7 percent.

On the import side, Mitra mentioned they hit 340 tonnes in the first half, and July actually saw the best numbers since January.

"If people stop selling off their old scrap gold, imports might actually start climbing," he added.

Global supply took a huge dive, falling 48 percent to 1,117.8 tonnes in the first half compared to 2,144 tonnes last year, mostly because of bad weather and shutdowns at several mining sites.

Moving forward, mine production is likely to stay flat for the rest of 2012 before a bunch of new operations are set to launch next year.

One of the reasons for yesterday's crash...

Man, this news is ancient history—it's at least a few months old! I'll dig around and see if I can find the actual article.

Like I mentioned earlier back on August 17, 2012 🙂

http://www.telegraphindia.com/112081...p#.Google
Anthony Evans78 Anthony Evans78 Regular
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#1847 ·
How awkward 🙂
People try to argue against facts by just sticking to whatever shows up on the first page of Google, completely ignoring the dates 🙂
lonehawk5 lonehawk5 Active Member
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#1848 ·
What a total disaster😁

I don't usually bother with this kind of "news" garbage, but after everything that went down yesterday, I can't help but wonder if there’s more to the story than just the usual headlines we see everywhere...

Got this link sent straight to my inbox
http://m.indianexpress.com/news/"ind...2-wgc"/989113/

Look, I didn't go out of my way to fact-check all the specifics myself, but hey, that's why you guys are here...😁
Melissa Sanchez17 Melissa Sanchez17 RegularOP
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#1849 ·
I still remember this clearly because if my memory serves me right—and it usually does—gold shot up from $1590 to somewhere around $1675-$1680 within a single week after this news dropped back in August. It just goes to show that the market doesn't seem to give much weight to "country gold demand" when they're making their moves 😍
quiettrucker12 quiettrucker12 Regular
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#1850 ·
Anthony Evans78 said:Nonsense.
The only reason we saw yesterday's dip was the expiration of futures and options—not to mention those standard weekly naked short attacks.
As for the supposed drop in demand in India, the Chinese just stepped in and filled the gap without even breaking a sweat, so that argument doesn't hold much water either.

http://www.marketwatch.com/optionscenter/calendar
quiettrucker12 quiettrucker12 Regular
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#1851 ·
We’re right in the middle of a historic showdown for the Dollar (and Ben is hell-bent on breaking it). That’s the only thing that actually matters right now. Forget all the noise about gold, those automated trading machines, ZeroHedge, market manipulation, or those nonexistent options expirations...
Anthony Evans78 Anthony Evans78 Regular
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#1852 ·
Maybe take a page out of Charles's book and actually look into what you're talking about before you 🙂

http://www.cmegroup.com/tools-inform...tion-calendar/

Nov. 27 Comex December gold options expiry
Nov. 27 Comex December silver options expiry
Nov. 27 Comex December copper options expiry
Nov. 28 Comex December miNY gold futures Last trading day
Nov. 28 Comex November copper futures Last trading day
Nov. 28 Comex December E-mini copper futures Last trading day
Nov. 28 Comex December miNY silver futures Last trading day
Nov. 30 Comex December gold futures First notica day
Nov. 30 Comex December silver futures First notica day
Nov. 30 Comex December copper futures First notica day
Nov. 30 COMEX December palladium futures first notice day
Anthony Evans78 Anthony Evans78 Regular
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#1853 ·
The Dollar lost its fight a long time ago; now we’re just watching the slow, inevitable decline to the finish line.
analogharbor44 analogharbor44 Active Member
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#1854 ·
Anthony Evans78 said:The Dollar lost its fight a long time ago; now we’re just watching the slow, inevitable decline to the finish line.

It's wild that even after losing the war, it's still the world's top currency. What a weird battle! 😂
It's certainly dying, just like Mel Gibson's brave heart.
analogharbor44 analogharbor44 Active Member
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#1855 ·
quiettrucker12 said:We’re right in the middle of a historic showdown for the Dollar (and Ben is hell-bent on breaking it). That’s the only thing that actually matters right now. Forget all the noise about gold, those automated trading machines, ZeroHedge, market manipulation, or those nonexistent options expirations...

So what's the deal? Is Ben pushing for a weak dollar while everyone else keeps driving it up because they want a piece of it? It’s pretty wild for a currency that some people here claim 🙂 died out back in the last century.
Anthony Evans78 Anthony Evans78 Regular
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#1856 ·
analogharbor44 said:It's wild that even after losing the war, it's still the world's top currency. What a weird battle! 😂
It's certainly dying, just like Mel Gibson's brave heart.

The Germans had their noses broken twice back in '43 (Stalingrad and Kursk), but it wasn't until the spring of '45 that Berlin actually fell.
The Dollar is following the same pattern.
More and more countries are ditching the Dollar for their trade deals (China and Germany, China and Russia, China and Brazil, China and Australia, China and Japan, China and Chile, China and UAE, India and Japan, Iran and Russia...).
Notice how many times I wrote "China"? 🙂
Do you really think reserve currency status vanishes overnight?
I guess today is an educational day... here, have some reading material to chew on.🙂 :

http://theeconomiccollapseblog.com/a...he-dollar-dies
Anthony Evans78 Anthony Evans78 Regular
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#1857 ·
analogharbor44 said:So what's the deal? Is Ben pushing for a weak dollar while everyone else keeps driving it up because they want a piece of it? It’s pretty wild for a currency that some people here claim 🙂 died out back in the last century.

It just means you need to step back and actually think about things for a second.🙂
Ashley Thompson10 Ashley Thompson10 Member
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#1858 ·
Ben isn't looking to crash the dollar; he's just printing as much as necessary to buy up those US Treasuries. He’ll keep the presses running indefinitely if that’s what it takes to keep liquidity flowing through the banks, all under the guise of stimulating the economy. But let's be real—banks aren't interested in building factories here in the States. They’d much rather gamble on speculation or grab cheap dollars to dump into emerging markets instead of actually investing in domestic manufacturing.

The dollar's value has to drop eventually. You can't just print money endlessly without any actual backing; eventually, its value against everything tangible is going to slide.
analogharbor44 analogharbor44 Active Member
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#1859 ·
Anthony Evans78 said:The Germans had their noses broken twice back in '43 (Stalingrad and Kursk), but it wasn't until the spring of '45 that Berlin actually fell.
The Dollar is following the same pattern.
More and more countries are ditching the Dollar for their trade deals (China and Germany, China and Russia, China and Brazil, China and Australia, China and Japan, China and Chile, China and UAE, India and Japan, Iran and Russia...).
Notice how many times I wrote "China"? 🙂
Do you really think reserve currency status vanishes overnight?
I guess today is an educational day... here, have some reading material to chew on.🙂 :

http://theeconomiccollapseblog.com/a...he-dollar-dies

Give me a break! Lol. The dollar is staying the world's reserve currency for at least another 20 years. Sorry, skeptics, but you're wrong. You seriously think someone can hold the privilege of being the global reserve currency and still successfully land a plane on an aircraft carrier? 🤣 If you're gonna act like an expert, you should probably learn when and how a country actually earns that reserve status.
To quote you, just imagine one 😂
analogharbor44 analogharbor44 Active Member
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#1860 ·
Anthony Evans78 said:It just means you need to step back and actually think about things for a second.🙂

For sure! I'm diving right in now. 🤣

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