Do US national conservatives actually support capitalism?

So, I’ve been wondering: do our right-wingers actually give a damn about capitalism? I’m talking about the crowd that spends all their energy obsessing over national identity or rehashing old battles between historical factions, yet almost never touches on actual economics. What does a typical conservative in this camp really think about capitalism? Are they more likely to push for worker protections or go all-in on market deregulation? And do they even show up at protests against Wall Street?

brighteagle26 said:So, I’ve been wondering: do our right-wingers actually give a damn about capitalism? I’m talking about the crowd that spends all their energy obsessing over national identity or rehashing old battles between historical factions, yet almost never touches on actual economics. What does a typical conservative in this camp really think about capitalism? Are they more likely to push for worker protections or go all-in on market deregulation? And do they even show up at protests against Wall Street?

I have nothing but respect for capitalism. Unfortunately, however, true capitalism hasn't really had its chance to breathe here in America. We’re still dealing with the leftovers of an old socialist system and simply slapping the label "capitalism" on top of it—though it has next to nothing to do with the real thing. The government remains the primary employer, with roughly 86% of the budget being swallowed up by wages, pensions, and subsidies... That isn't exactly the kind of environment where capitalism thrives...

I honestly can't stand this brand of capitalism where the working class gets absolutely crushed while the top 1% basically lives off everyone else's sweat and blood🙂,and I really think we should be valuing actual workers more because, hello, isn't it in everyone's best interest? A happy worker is a productive worker, period. As for our bosses here in the States, don't even get me started—most of them are just uneducated hacks who don't have a clue what they're doing, which is exactly why everything is such a mess right now😕,we seriously need to purge this country of all the cronies, the nepotism, and those shady "who you know" connections and instead put actual educated young professionals in charge, because if we don't, we're headed straight for a total meltdown🤷. I show up to protests all the time and I'm definitely not one of those people fighting from the comfort of their couch, but unfortunately, most Americans are just totally passive, either too biased or they've just rolled over and accepted their fate and refuse to actually do anything about it☕

No... our national socialists actually have quite a fondness for capitalism 😁
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Not quite. The fundamental issue with our right-wingers is that they’re essentially socialists at heart. They seem to believe the solution to everything is more government intervention, more federal oversight, and an endless expansion of state-run corporations...

Oh, I’m sure the government will step in and handle everything eventually. 🤣

goldengull3 said:Not quite. The fundamental issue with our right-wingers is that they’re essentially socialists at heart. They seem to believe the solution to everything is more government intervention, more federal oversight, and an endless expansion of state-run corporations...

Whoa, Vicky, that’s some serious heresy right there.😲
That’s about as wild a claim as finding out Željko Kerum was secretly a closeted gay man.

goldengull3 said:Not quite. The fundamental issue with our right-wingers is that they’re essentially socialists at heart. They seem to believe the solution to everything is more government intervention, more federal oversight, and an endless expansion of state-run corporations...

More taxpayer money for veterans, massive families, and so on.

Essentially, groups like the Libertarian Party, the Democratic Party, and the rest are just ultra-nationalist leftists.

I’m pretty much against capitalism. I guess it’s eventually going to sink both the USA and the rest of the world.

brighteagle26 said:So, I’ve been wondering: do our right-wingers actually give a damn about capitalism? I’m talking about the crowd that spends all their energy obsessing over national identity or rehashing old battles between historical factions, yet almost never touches on actual economics. What does a typical conservative in this camp really think about capitalism? Are they more likely to push for worker protections or go all-in on market deregulation? And do they even show up at protests against Wall Street?

There are plenty of us, and our numbers will only grow. ☕

We’re talking about a system based entirely on free-market principles... and it always fails when it comes to actual development. No nation has ever truly flourished under those rules.

This ideology is widely known as "Neoliberalism"... some call it Reaganomics or Thatcherism... it just makes life worse for everyone.

Take the USA as a prime example... they leaned hard into this and look at how badly they crashed... they imploded because this system is a dead end. It hasn't worked anywhere for real growth.

People claim the US was an early adopter... but that’s a false comparison. The reason is that the government maintained heavy control over major industries. How is that free-market capitalism if the state owns the backbone of the economy? Plus, that era led them straight into two massive crises. So, the US isn't a success story for this model.

China and India aren't examples either. In both places, the state stays heavily involved in the economy.

The trend is clear: developing nations fall further behind the more they adopt this economic model. It just serves to make the rich richer and the poor poorer... it's basically modern slavery.

Here’s a good clip... I value this one because the guy is in my field (geography) and explains it well... geography here in America is vastly different from what you see elsewhere. Our political economy has a much heavier impact here. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qOP2V_np2c0

There is an exceptionally insightful comment over on the "America for Americans" blog regarding the recent headline "The Socialist Party has launched its campaign," from which I’d like to pull a specific excerpt:

The far-right party's initial propaganda spot serves as a stark reminder of just how much lingering communism still haunts our society and erodes the very fabric of America. We have a young engineer named Vladimir arguing that within the EU, America won't be able to develop its industry according to its own desires, but rather as dictated by the market. It begs the question: up until now, have we been able to completely ignore market demands and simply do as we please, or is this merely some specific vision held by the far-right party? They envision an America untouched by market forces, producing whatever they deem necessary, while simultaneously promising that unemployment would vanish and everyone would enjoy stable wages and pensions. When was the last time anyone actually heard such a fairy tale? The old military uniforms are gone, and the parades have ceased, but unfortunately, the underlying mindset remains—or perhaps more accurately, it has stagnated.

http://www.americaforamericans.com/...-america.html

In most Western contexts, being "right-wing" implies certain core values:

- Low taxes—ensuring individuals retain more of their earnings to manage their own lives.
- The family as the bedrock of society—not just through population policy, but fundamentally; families support one another because low taxes allow them to afford things like high-quality education for their children.
- Entrepreneurship—a right-wing thinker doesn't ask the government to "find them a job"; instead, they demand the conditions necessary to start their own business or firm.
- Law and order—demanding an efficient legal system where tax evasion is treated as a serious offense, given that it undermines the state's ability to fund police, the military, and social services.
- Social safety nets designed for those truly unable to work, rather than broad categories of citizens who simply choose not to. A true conservative will rarely pity a healthy, capable 25-year-old who is unemployed; they are more likely to point out that such a person is living off the labor of others.

And so on. You see this reflected in typical parties like the British Conservatives or the American Republicans.

goldengull3 said:Not quite. The fundamental issue with our right-wingers is that they’re essentially socialists at heart. They seem to believe the solution to everything is more government intervention, more federal oversight, and an endless expansion of state-run corporations...

They just crave socialism because they're suckers for populism. To them, capitalism represents everything wrong with character: selfish greed mixed with constant surveillance.

In America, you don't really see traditional conservatives—or if you do, they're pretty much a rarity.

What we actually have are national socialists. Honestly, it's essentially the same deal as the Communist Party USA back in the old days. That group had a massive nationalist streak too, though they just rebranded it as Americanism.

It’s actually a pretty common sight in former socialist nations—this weird, unholy marriage between state bureaucracy and so-called "entrepreneurs" who really only have one single client: the government. Under a capitalist model, they view the system as a playground for their own privileges, while everyone else is just left out in the cold. Honestly, you could write entire volumes on this—it’s practically a modern version of those old stories about people trying to insert themselves into circles where they don't belong...

Could someone refresh my memory—I seem to have blanked—where did capitalism actually first emerge, and what did its early iterations even look like?

The incoming administration and whoever ends up holding the reins need to set some non-negotiable priorities—real mandates that every single party loyalist tasked with the heavy lifting actually has to sign off on personally.

I am sick to death of the endless party bickering and those ridiculous shots from Congress where a bunch of red-faced, sixty-year-old dinosaurs just scream at each other for the cameras. We can't have a repeat of that circus ever again.

They’ve got far too much actual work to do to be wasting time. For the next four years, I don't want to hear a single heated argument coming out of the Capitol; all I want to see are heads down and hands up, getting the job done.

We need hard standards in place, and we need results measured against them—raw, unvarnished data. And by the way, there absolutely must be at least two or three independent oversight agencies to make sure nobody is cooking the books.

Bottom line? Priorities, action, accountability... priorities, action, accountability. That's the mantra.

Honestly, they messed up when they scrapped the state senate structure.

It was almost like they wanted to kill off the political backbone of our regional governance entirely. If they had just strengthened the state senate's responsibility to oversee the economic climate and business conditions here in the US, it would have been a massive asset.

If I have to sit through more sessions where these same old fossils puff their chests out in a half-empty chamber, tossing around the same tired talking points... man, it's enough to drive you insane.

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goldengull3 said:There is an exceptionally insightful comment over on the "America for Americans" blog regarding the recent headline "The Socialist Party has launched its campaign," from which I’d like to pull a specific excerpt:

The far-right party's initial propaganda spot serves as a stark reminder of just how much lingering communism still haunts our society and erodes the very fabric of America. We have a young engineer named Vladimir arguing that within the EU, America won't be able to develop its industry according to its own desires, but rather as dictated by the market. It begs the question: up until now, have we been able to completely ignore market demands and simply do as we please, or is this merely some specific vision held by the far-right party? They envision an America untouched by market forces, producing whatever they deem necessary, while simultaneously promising that unemployment would vanish and everyone would enjoy stable wages and pensions. When was the last time anyone actually heard such a fairy tale? The old military uniforms are gone, and the parades have ceased, but unfortunately, the underlying mindset remains—or perhaps more accurately, it has stagnated.

http://www.americaforamericans.com/...-america.html

In most Western contexts, being "right-wing" implies certain core values:

- Low taxes—ensuring individuals retain more of their earnings to manage their own lives.
- The family as the bedrock of society—not just through population policy, but fundamentally; families support one another because low taxes allow them to afford things like high-quality education for their children.
- Entrepreneurship—a right-wing thinker doesn't ask the government to "find them a job"; instead, they demand the conditions necessary to start their own business or firm.
- Law and order—demanding an efficient legal system where tax evasion is treated as a serious offense, given that it undermines the state's ability to fund police, the military, and social services.
- Social safety nets designed for those truly unable to work, rather than broad categories of citizens who simply choose not to. A true conservative will rarely pity a healthy, capable 25-year-old who is unemployed; they are more likely to point out that such a person is living off the labor of others.

And so on. You see this reflected in typical parties like the British Conservatives or the American Republicans.

Our own right-wingers would probably recoil in horror at the GOP's economic vision and their general stance on individual liberty. To them, it would feel like pure blasphemy.

Imagine if someone like McCain sat down with them for a couple of hours to discuss his views. There would be absolute chaos! They’d be shouting, "You aren't even a real conservative!" 😂
He’d likely be thinking to himself—you fucking commies.

Harold Martin10 said:In America, you don't really see traditional conservatives—or if you do, they're pretty much a rarity.

What we actually have are national socialists. Honestly, it's essentially the same deal as the Communist Party USA back in the old days. That group had a massive nationalist streak too, though they just rebranded it as Americanism.

A sharp observation, delivered with impressive brevity.

Take a look at the core platform of the British Conservatives here: http://www.conservatives.com/Policy.aspx

It bears almost no resemblance to what we call the "right wing" over here. On a global scale, the British Conservatives represent a standard right-wing party... yet, by our local standards, people would likely dismiss them as nothing more than liberals.😁

Patriots advocate for their nation, and in exchange, the nation works to protect its citizens.
Economic management isn't actually the most vital component here, because capitalism is essentially a given when you value individual liberty, though if someone decides to abuse those very freedoms to infringe upon the rights of others, then the state absolutely has to step in and stop them.

Ultimately, capitalism is just a byproduct, not the end goal itself.

The real trouble arises with this concept of global capitalism, which doesn't have the interests of America at heart—though some might argue it doesn't care about any single nation either.

As a smaller nation, we can't simply mimic the strategies used by the massive superpowers, because if we try to play that game on their terms, we’re destined to lose from the start; instead, we have to rely on our own ingenuity (which is why we've been seeing such great progress lately) and devise practical, workable solutions that are specifically optimized for our unique situation.

What truly matters are the liberties that secure private property and individual rights, rather than the whims of organized, shadowy manipulators, which is really the exact opposite of the constant trends we see today.

Goodness gracious...
It is quite fascinating how some folks misunderstand the basics. Liberal capitalism—the very thing certain American conservatives seem to recoil from with such disdain—is actually the bedrock of modern right-wing thought. What is this talk of state intervention?
A true conservative should be championing minimal government interference, lower taxes, and a much leaner federal budget.