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Robert Murphy49 Robert Murphy49 Newcomer
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joined Jan 2015
#1361 ·
I’ve posted on this thread before, but—forgive me—I can’t seem to track down my previous entry anywhere, so I’m picking this back up with some follow-up questions and a sincere plea for help.
As I mentioned previously, I have two separate payroll loans; however, neither is being deducted by my employer's accounting department—instead, they are all handled directly through my banks via standing orders.
Now, since I am acting as a guarantor, I am bracing for an upcoming garnishment. Once they start seizing funds, I won't be left with enough to cover my basic living expenses if they take everything at once. Therefore, I am asking if anyone who understands the legalities could point me toward the specific regulation or provision I can use to compel my employer's accounting office to deduct at least one-third of my salary for a single loan—specifically one where the monthly installment exceeds that one-third mark—while allowing me to continue paying the remainder through the bank. My goal here is to manage that one-third portion myself to preemptively mitigate the impact of the incoming garnishment.
Please excuse my pedantry regarding the specific legal code, but my accounting department is flatly refusing to comply with this request. I find myself in a position where I must cite the exact statute to them—perhaps even hinting at legal action—just to ensure my rights are upheld.
I realize I've been quite long-winded, but I would be deeply grateful if someone with actual knowledge could provide an answer—length doesn't matter, only accuracy. I am facing potential legal proceedings, and I desperately want to avoid making a threat based on the wrong regulation and looking foolish in the process.
Grateful for any insight you can offer.
Rebecca White4 Rebecca White4 Member
21 messages
joined Jan 2013
#1362 ·
gentlescout26 said:So, I've got this debt sitting at $17, plus I own a few properties. How does the bank actually go about seizing real estate? Look, I honestly wouldn't mind if they grabbed my farmland and left me my house alone. I know deep down they’d probably prefer the house since it's worth more, but I'll be out on the street if they take my place. Basically, if I can somehow sort out the situation with the house, are they legally forced to take the farmland instead?


Will the farmland be enough to cover the debt? If it is, then you might be able to propose a change to the assets being seized... Honestly, maybe they'd just settle for freezing your accounts if they think they can collect the cash that way soon enough!
John Clark6 John Clark6 Regular
290 messages
joined Jun 2011
#1363 ·
What kind of legal proceeding are we even talking about if you're acting as a guarantor? I mean, you signed all that paperwork and agreed to everything ages ago—honestly, people only start acting surprised when their bank account gets frozen one day (which is usually how this starts)
Ethan Mitchell4 Ethan Mitchell4 Active Member
89 messages
joined Feb 2015
#1364 ·
Stop defaulting on a single credit line, and you'll end up with a wage garnishment hitting your payroll department. Once your employer receives those official written instructions, they don't have any wiggle room. It’s not about whether they want to comply or not; they legally have to.
Basically, they'll be pulling a maximum of one-third of your paycheck. When that second garnishment arrives—the one where you're acting as a guarantor—they'll be forced to officially report that your wages are already being garnished, and so on.
Robert Murphy49 Robert Murphy49 Newcomer
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#1365 ·
RandomUser said:Ultimately, it all boils down to how aggressive the creditor decides to be—but let me be clear—even if the proceedings are suspended, the creditor can restart them anytime within 10 years of that suspension (which, in practical terms, usually happens the moment they catch wind that you’ve landed a job or acquired some sort of assets).

Alright, look, can someone please—for the love of everything—be decent enough to explain this clearly to me?
I have been combing through these posts from the very beginning, and the consensus seems to be that the statute of limitations kicks in after three years; yet here, we have this claim that "they can restart it within 10 years of suspension." So, what is the actual reality here—is it three years or ten?
Thanks
Robert Murphy49 Robert Murphy49 Newcomer
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#1366 ·
Ethan Mitchell4 said:Stop defaulting on a single credit line, and you'll end up with a wage garnishment hitting your payroll department. Once your employer receives those official written instructions, they don't have any wiggle room. It’s not about whether they want to comply or not; they legally have to.
Basically, they'll be pulling a maximum of one-third of your paycheck. When that second garnishment arrives—the one where you're acting as a guarantor—they'll be forced to officially report that your wages are already being garnished, and so on.

Well, the advice is sound enough and certainly the most straightforward path, but I've run into a bit of a snag: I pay my loan through a standing order, which means I can't just cancel it—it’s set up within the same bank where my salary is deposited.
That is precisely why I was hunting for the specific regulation governing how much they are allowed to deduct from my paycheck; I need something concrete to throw in their faces, because otherwise, they aren't going to budge.
Thanks
Ethan Mitchell4 Ethan Mitchell4 Active Member
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joined Feb 2015
#1367 ·
Yeah, I guess I wasn't paying close enough attention while reading
I don't think a regulation like the one you're describing actually exists. There are rules governing how they have to act if they receive an administrative freeze or an enforcement order from the Bank of America, but as far as I know, there isn't a rule that says they *have* to pull funds just because you tell them to.
But then you're still stuck with the whole standing order issue once your loan payments start getting deducted directly from your paycheck. Are you just going to let them double-dip? The reason I mention this is that if you can find a way to cancel your standing order now, you could potentially trigger that "non-payment" scenario where they send an enforcement notice straight to your employer.

Another thing: you could open a checking account at a different bank and give your payroll department the new account number. From what I understand, they're required to accept it; they shouldn't be able to dictate which bank you use to receive your salary. If there's no money in the original account, your standing orders won't go through.
Harold Phillips95 Harold Phillips95 Newcomer
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joined Jan 2015
#1368 ·
This is about an enforcement issue: I’ve been charged twice, and now my account is frozen. To make matters worse, Bank of America has hit me with extra fees on top of the temporary
liquidity squeeze.

Oct 16, 2014. Date on the enforcement document.
Dec 13, 2014. The blue envelope was delivered right to my door.
Jan 10, 2015. I paid off the entire debt from that resolution, including all the predictable enforcement costs, in full via cash payment.
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Jan 21, 2015. That same law firm sends a notice to the Federal Reserve.
Jan 22, 2015. My account gets frozen. Happy birthday to me (it was actually my birthday that day).

Bank of America provided me with bank statements showing a zero balance on Jan 12, 2015, yet by Jan 21, 2015,
that balance had somehow jumped to roughly $63. Because of this, they claim the enforcement shouldn't have been stayed—even though their own records clearly show
the debt was settled on time. Essentially, the events on January 21st and 22nd should never have happened; they
occurred solely because of Bank of America's error.

Why did they suddenly hike the debt amount in their books back on Oct 16 by $150? To me, that looks like a major irregularity.
On Oct 16, the enforcement order was still sitting with the law firm and hadn't even been filed yet. If I remember correctly, I should still have rights to appeal at that stage, right?

I've handed the case over to my lawyer. She’s going to go after a full refund of everything that was in the account on Jan 21, 2015, plus interest and the added
fees from the freeze and the legal costs. Bank of America has been refusing to cover the costs incurred by the Federal Reserve, and now they're trying to play games with me
regarding the transaction trail between my Bank of America card, the bank itself, and the Federal Reserve—even though I know Bank of America is the one at fault
since they've already been caught being shady.

Is there enough ground here for a lawsuit, and am I taking the right steps? It seems to me that Bank of America acted on an enforcement order
that had already been satisfied, without any prior notice, and now they're dodging responsibility for the resulting costs.

I'd appreciate any advice or comments if you think I need to clarify anything.

Best regards.
boldharbor14 boldharbor14 Newcomer
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joined Dec 2007
#1369 ·
I just received a formal demand letter from a law firm based out of Washington, D.C., warning me about an impending enforcement proceeding.
Basically, this firm is representing an LLC that I owe a small amount of money to.
They’re demanding that I settle the principal balance—which I’m not disputing—along with the "cost" of the legal demand letter itself.
The kicker is that the fee they're charging for this little notice is more than double the actual debt! So, I'm wondering, given
that the consumer protection act states that these types of notices shouldn't be charged to consumers, am I actually legally obligated to pay these demand letter fees?
If I'm not, what kind of steps should people who have already been hit with these ridiculous charges take?
Should I be filing a complaint against this law firm with the FTC, or would a report to the American Bar Association be more appropriate?
Thanks for any insight.
Ashley Rivera2 Ashley Rivera2 Newcomer
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joined Jan 2015
#1370 ·
What’s the move when a business owner accidentally dumps their entire paycheck into a frozen account, right after getting a notice from the Federal Reserve about opening a protected account?
fadedbadger32 fadedbadger32 Newcomer
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joined Jan 2015
#1371 ·
So, I just got hit with an enforcement notice today regarding some old debt from 2008,
back when we had actually moved and updated our address with the local authorities.
It took these people six whole years to finally send this out.
Is this a case of the statute of limitations, and which specific part of the enforcement act should I be citing?
ruggedmaker2 ruggedmaker2 Regular
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joined Mar 2018
#1372 ·
Ashley Rivera2 said:What’s the move when a business owner accidentally dumps their entire paycheck into a frozen account, right after getting a notice from the Federal Reserve about opening a protected account?

You’ve gotta head down to the bank and grab a specific form. Take that over to the boss, have them fill it out, and then get it back to the bank. Once that's done, the bank should release the protected portion of the salary and move it into the protected account.
John Clark6 John Clark6 Regular
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joined Jun 2011
#1373 ·
boldharbor14 said:I just received a formal demand letter from a law firm based out of Washington, D.C., warning me about an impending enforcement proceeding.
Basically, this firm is representing an LLC that I owe a small amount of money to.
They’re demanding that I settle the principal balance—which I’m not disputing—along with the "cost" of the legal demand letter itself.
The kicker is that the fee they're charging for this little notice is more than double the actual debt! So, I'm wondering, given
that the consumer protection act states that these types of notices shouldn't be charged to consumers, am I actually legally obligated to pay these demand letter fees?
If I'm not, what kind of steps should people who have already been hit with these ridiculous charges take?
Should I be filing a complaint against this law firm with the FTC, or would a report to the American Bar Association be more appropriate?
Thanks for any insight.

You really shouldn't have to pay those notice fees—but honestly, I love the way you're thinking here 🙂. I say go ahead and file a complaint with both agencies; you've got nothing to lose, even if nothing comes of it. It's just a classic case of predatory tactics.
Jerry Anderson87 Jerry Anderson87 Member
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joined Dec 2021
#1374 ·
I was wondering if there's any scenario where a tax refund might get intercepted, or at least partially seized by an enforcement order?
Joseph Moore7 Joseph Moore7 Newcomer
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joined Jul 2013
#1375 ·
I was wondering if anyone could give me a rough idea regarding the timeline for receiving payment once the final enforcement date has been set.

I noticed someone mentioned here that it takes about 8 days after the enforcement date is established, but I’m guessing the entire process through the Federal Reserve actually drags on for maybe a month or two?

To give some context, this involves a lawsuit for back pay and damages owed to me by the Department. A final judgment has already been issued in my favor, along with the enforcement date.

I wouldn't be asking if things weren't getting a little stressful, and I've searched the web quite a bit, but I just can't find anything specific online regarding how long this whole process typically lasts.

Any info at all would be greatly appreciated.
Patrick Roberts4 Patrick Roberts4 Newcomer
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#1376 ·
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rapidtinker15 rapidtinker15 Newcomer
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joined Jan 2014
#1377 ·
Roughly how long does it take from when you get the enforcement order from the law firm until they actually freeze the accounts?
urbantiger53 urbantiger53 Member
18 messages
joined Feb 2014
#1378 ·
Could someone clarify if there’s a bill actually being voted on—or one that’s already passed—that would prevent people from losing their very last property to creditors? I totally get how mortgages work and I feel for folks who took out home loans and just can't keep up with the payments... but what about things like AT&T or Chase Bank?
Amy Cruz8 Amy Cruz8 Member
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joined Jan 2021
#1379 ·
That law hasn't even passed yet. There’s talk about it, but getting it implemented will be an uphill battle.
Personally, I think it would be unconstitutional. If you can't use your property as collateral, that’s a massive infringement on property rights.
Plus, how would they even handle the retroactivity?
urbantiger53 urbantiger53 Member
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joined Feb 2014
#1380 ·
I think there’s been a misunderstanding. I'm talking about mortgages versus standard apartment loans... I was actually asking about those T-Mobile rewards programs...

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