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John Clark6 John Clark6 Regular
290 messages
joined Jun 2011
#1861 ·
... before they actually publish anything, they require a proof of residency—and then, naturally, they attempt delivery to that specific address listed on the document—before finally moving things along to the public notice phase...
rowdyraven112 rowdyraven112 Active Member
248 messages
joined Jun 2024
#1862 ·
John Clark6 said:... before they actually publish anything, they require a proof of residency—and then, naturally, they attempt delivery to that specific address listed on the document—before finally moving things along to the public notice phase...

There are thousands of those online notices out there. Look, I disagree here. Sure, I agree with how the law is written on paper, but actual court practice is a different beast entirely. Most judges will just try redelivering to the same address, and since they don't feel like requesting records from the Department of Homeland Security, they just post it on the public bulletin board.
But honestly? It doesn't even matter.
I'm certain the people whining about this are the ones who have one address on paper, a mailing address somewhere else, and actually live at a seventh location. Then they start screaming about corrupt courts when their assets get frozen.
I'll bet my pinky toe that user peva2307 isn't even dealing with that kind of mess.
John Clark6 John Clark6 Regular
290 messages
joined Jun 2011
#1863 ·
Honestly, I feel like I’m constantly getting harassed by the local notary—and even the courts—demanding that I turn over proof of residency. It’s not even like they’re the ones asking for it directly, either; it's usually the debt collection agency breathing down my neck. Though, I suppose they really do have to draft up a formal notice 🙂
Brandon Hill8 Brandon Hill8 Active Member
57 messages
joined Apr 2011
#1864 ·
rowdyraven112 said:I'm talking about the execution writ. Unlike a credible instrument that gets invalidated through a timely appeal, appealing an execution based on a writ doesn't stop the enforcement.

Facts? I'm not stupid enough to just throw them out there. But the way that writ was issued gave me this idea. How? I realized the courts are clueless and judges are just puppets blindly following legal frameworks without giving a damn about anything else.
Say I sue my mother for neglect and demand damages from $167. She misses court once, twice, and the court issues an ENFORCEMENT writ stating she owes me $167 due to her default. So much for your "Paulian law."

And I've looked into all of this, so your "Paulian law" is a minor issue to me. By the time the creditor even tries to pull the trigger, the writ will be past the statute of limitations...

And that statute of limitations is getting very, very close. The creditor is going to have a hard time swallowing that one.

I’m having a really hard time following what you're even talking about here. You haven't brought a single actual fact to the table regarding your situation, other than this vague claim of being "neglected" by your mother. Let's look at that word: neglect. I'm assuming you mean she isn't providing financial support. That alone tells me quite a bit. It suggests you're either a minor, a perpetual college student who can't graduate, or just someone who's completely incapable of holding down a job. Or maybe you somehow negotiated some kind of lifetime alimony deal with her? Look, if it's any of those three scenarios, there is zero chance you're getting a judgment based on negligence. In the US, we don't see judgments handed out for negligence in support disputes. Period.

If we’re talking hypotheticals, then yeah, you could technically get hit with a default judgment. But let’s be real—if you’re dealing with conscientious judges, that’s only happening if the damages are crystal clear and backed up by hard evidence attached to the filing. Otherwise, they aren't just going to hand out a win on a whim. Just a little side note here: a default judgment usually only kicks in if the defendant completely ignores the lawsuit. A couple of missed court dates isn't enough to trigger that; it takes more than just being a no-show once or twice.

Regarding that lawsuit from Paulian—look, we have to talk about the mandatory reporting law.

Article 66.

Every single creditor who holds a claim... It’s finally cleared for payout—doesn't matter when the damn thing was actually generated. It's hitting the account now. It’s pretty straightforward: a debtor can absolutely challenge any legal action they take if it was done specifically to screw over their creditors. If they’re moving assets around or pulling some shady stunt just to make sure you don't get paid, that's a fraudulent conveyance. You can fight it.
I honestly can't believe we're still having this conversation. It’s like talking to a brick wall sometimes. You people act like the rules don't apply to everyone, but they do. Period. If you think you can just sidestep the mandatory reporting law because it's "inconvenient," you are dead wrong. That's how things fall apart. And don't even get me started on the way some of you are handling the paperwork with the Department of Homeland Security. It's a mess. A total disaster. You can't just wing it when federal regulations are involved. Get it together.Look, let me break this down for you because it’s pretty simple if you stop overcomplicating things. We’re talking about fraudulent conveyance here. It basically means someone pulls a shady legal move specifically to screw over their creditors. If a debtor intentionally shifts assets around just so they can claim they're "broke" and avoid paying what they owe, that’s a problem. Essentially, if those actions leave them without enough cash or property to satisfy their debts, the law isn't going to just sit there and watch. It's all about preventing people from dodging their responsibilities through legal loopholes.
(3) Legal action isn't just about what you actually do—it's about what you fail to do, too. If you sit on your hands when you're legally required to act, that counts as a legal act in itself. In other words, an omission is just as much a legal maneuver as an action. What exactly did the debtor lose in terms of material rights here? Or better yet, what kind of material obligation was actually triggered for them?

The assumptions surrounding these denials.

Article 67.

(1) I’m still trying to wrap my head around this whole "discretionary spending" mess. It feels like every time I turn around, there’s some new layer of bureaucracy or a ridiculous regulation designed to tie my hands. You know what I mean? One minute you think you have control over your own resources, and the next, some government agency is breathing down your neck about how you're allowed to move your money or manage your assets. It’s frustrating. It’s not just about the math; it’s about the principle. When you work hard to build something up, you expect to have the freedom to use it. But instead, we get hit with these endless hurdles. It feels less like managing finances and more like navigating a minefield where the rules change depending on which way the political wind is blowing. Honestly, it makes me want to scream. Look, here’s the deal on how you can actually go after someone in court: you can sue if, at the time they moved the money or shifted those assets around, the debtor knew—or even just *should* have known—that their actions were going to screw over their creditors. It basically comes down to whether they were intentionally draining the tank while people were still owed money. If they acted with that kind of awareness, they aren't getting off easy. Third person. Who exactly stands to gain from this legal maneuver? I mean, come on—it’s pretty obvious who’s pulling the strings here, or at least it could be figured out if anyone actually bothered to look. It’s all about knowing whose pocket that specific legal action is lining.
(2) If that third party is the debtor’s spouse, a direct blood relative, or even an in-law up to the fourth degree, the law basically assumes they knew exactly what was going on. It's treated as a given that they were fully aware the debtor was intentionally causing damage through these transactions. Under the mandatory reporting law, you can't just play dumb when it's family. Presumed innocent, unless proven otherwise. So, regarding that little tip you dropped about how a purchase agreement is harder to overturn than a gift deed... honestly, you're spot on. It’s a massive difference when things actually go south in court.
When it comes to those "free" transfers—you know, when someone just gives stuff away for nothing—the law doesn't play around. If a debtor hands over assets for free, we just assume they knew exactly what they were doing: intentionally screwing over their creditor. And here’s the kicker: you don't even have to prove that the third party involved knew about the shady business. It doesn't matter if they were in on it or totally oblivious; the moment you give something away to dodge a debt, the court considers it fraudulent. Period.
Look, let’s get one thing straight: disclaiming an inheritance is legally treated as a free disposal of assets. It's not some minor clerical tweak; it's a major move.

There you have it.

We’re still sitting here waiting for an actual answer on how exactly you managed to "overturn" an enforcement order three different times.

The method you laid out earlier? It's clearly impossible, and honestly, it doesn't even align with how the legal process works technically. So, what does "overturned" actually mean in your world? If you want to explain yourself, feel free to take it to my DMs.
Dennis Jackson6 Dennis Jackson6 Member
37 messages
joined Jan 2018
#1865 ·
Brandon Hill8 said:I’m having a really hard time following what you're even talking about here. You haven't brought a single actual fact to the table regarding your situation, other than this vague claim of being "neglected" by your mother. Let's look at that word: neglect. I'm assuming you mean she isn't providing financial support. That alone tells me quite a bit. It suggests you're either a minor, a perpetual college student who can't graduate, or just someone who's completely incapable of holding down a job. Or maybe you somehow negotiated some kind of lifetime alimony deal with her? Look, if it's any of those three scenarios, there is zero chance you're getting a judgment based on negligence. In the US, we don't see judgments handed out for negligence in support disputes. Period.

If we’re talking hypotheticals, then yeah, you could technically get hit with a default judgment. But let’s be real—if you’re dealing with conscientious judges, that’s only happening if the damages are crystal clear and backed up by hard evidence attached to the filing. Otherwise, they aren't just going to hand out a win on a whim. Just a little side note here: a default judgment usually only kicks in if the defendant completely ignores the lawsuit. A couple of missed court dates isn't enough to trigger that; it takes more than just being a no-show once or twice.

Regarding that lawsuit from Paulian—look, we have to talk about the mandatory reporting law.

Article 66.

Every single creditor who holds a claim... It’s finally cleared for payout—doesn't matter when the damn thing was actually generated. It's hitting the account now. It’s pretty straightforward: a debtor can absolutely challenge any legal action they take if it was done specifically to screw over their creditors. If they’re moving assets around or pulling some shady stunt just to make sure you don't get paid, that's a fraudulent conveyance. You can fight it.
I honestly can't believe we're still having this conversation. It’s like talking to a brick wall sometimes. You people act like the rules don't apply to everyone, but they do. Period. If you think you can just sidestep the mandatory reporting law because it's "inconvenient," you are dead wrong. That's how things fall apart. And don't even get me started on the way some of you are handling the paperwork with the Department of Homeland Security. It's a mess. A total disaster. You can't just wing it when federal regulations are involved. Get it together.Look, let me break this down for you because it’s pretty simple if you stop overcomplicating things. We’re talking about fraudulent conveyance here. It basically means someone pulls a shady legal move specifically to screw over their creditors. If a debtor intentionally shifts assets around just so they can claim they're "broke" and avoid paying what they owe, that’s a problem. Essentially, if those actions leave them without enough cash or property to satisfy their debts, the law isn't going to just sit there and watch. It's all about preventing people from dodging their responsibilities through legal loopholes.
(3) Legal action isn't just about what you actually do—it's about what you fail to do, too. If you sit on your hands when you're legally required to act, that counts as a legal act in itself. In other words, an omission is just as much a legal maneuver as an action. What exactly did the debtor lose in terms of material rights here? Or better yet, what kind of material obligation was actually triggered for them?

The assumptions surrounding these denials.

Article 67.

(1) I’m still trying to wrap my head around this whole "discretionary spending" mess. It feels like every time I turn around, there’s some new layer of bureaucracy or a ridiculous regulation designed to tie my hands. You know what I mean? One minute you think you have control over your own resources, and the next, some government agency is breathing down your neck about how you're allowed to move your money or manage your assets. It’s frustrating. It’s not just about the math; it’s about the principle. When you work hard to build something up, you expect to have the freedom to use it. But instead, we get hit with these endless hurdles. It feels less like managing finances and more like navigating a minefield where the rules change depending on which way the political wind is blowing. Honestly, it makes me want to scream. Look, here’s the deal on how you can actually go after someone in court: you can sue if, at the time they moved the money or shifted those assets around, the debtor knew—or even just *should* have known—that their actions were going to screw over their creditors. It basically comes down to whether they were intentionally draining the tank while people were still owed money. If they acted with that kind of awareness, they aren't getting off easy. Third person. Who exactly stands to gain from this legal maneuver? I mean, come on—it’s pretty obvious who’s pulling the strings here, or at least it could be figured out if anyone actually bothered to look. It’s all about knowing whose pocket that specific legal action is lining.
(2) If that third party is the debtor’s spouse, a direct blood relative, or even an in-law up to the fourth degree, the law basically assumes they knew exactly what was going on. It's treated as a given that they were fully aware the debtor was intentionally causing damage through these transactions. Under the mandatory reporting law, you can't just play dumb when it's family. Presumed innocent, unless proven otherwise. So, regarding that little tip you dropped about how a purchase agreement is harder to overturn than a gift deed... honestly, you're spot on. It’s a massive difference when things actually go south in court.
When it comes to those "free" transfers—you know, when someone just gives stuff away for nothing—the law doesn't play around. If a debtor hands over assets for free, we just assume they knew exactly what they were doing: intentionally screwing over their creditor. And here’s the kicker: you don't even have to prove that the third party involved knew about the shady business. It doesn't matter if they were in on it or totally oblivious; the moment you give something away to dodge a debt, the court considers it fraudulent. Period.
Look, let’s get one thing straight: disclaiming an inheritance is legally treated as a free disposal of assets. It's not some minor clerical tweak; it's a major move.

There you have it.

We’re still sitting here waiting for an actual answer on how exactly you managed to "overturn" an enforcement order three different times.

The method you laid out earlier? It's clearly impossible, and honestly, it doesn't even align with how the legal process works technically. So, what does "overturned" actually mean in your world? If you want to explain yourself, feel free to take it to my DMs.


Maybe the guy just doesn't feel like handing out free lessons, but he's dropping hints in code for those willing to actually do the work. I mean, information isn't exactly free, is it?
rowdyraven112 rowdyraven112 Active Member
248 messages
joined Jun 2024
#1866 ·
Spot on. I said it before: these judges are stupid. Legally stupid. They might be smart people in their private lives, but they couldn't care less about actual justice. They just stare blindly at whether a rule was technically broken or not. Take this recent news story on ABC—or maybe NBC, if I have my networks mixed up. Some guy got slapped with eight months of probation for killing a stray dog that was tearing up his sheep. The judge didn't give a damn that the man was defending his property. He didn't care that nobody listened to his complaints, or that the local town council is basically just a bunch of bureaucrats collecting paychecks while doing zero work. Instead, they ruthlessly handed him an eight-month suspended sentence for animal cruelty. A damn stray dog. Sorry, admins, but my blood is still boiling after seeing that.

Think about the allegory of Lady Justice. She holds scales in one hand and a sword in the other, eyes blindfolded. It’s telling. She isn't looking for what's actually right; she's just weighing whatever laws happen to be "on the books." If you can stack the scales with heavier, more dominant laws? You win the case. If you lose? You get the sword.

Let’s get back to reality: how do you actually secure an enforceable judgment? Say I’m suing someone close to me for physical assault, seeking damages. Since the courts follow the letter of the law blindly, the judge isn't going to question the who, the why, or the how. It’s simple. If the defendant fails to show up twice after being properly served, the judge—devoid of any empathy or curiosity—will just hand down a default judgment in favor of the plaintiff. Everything I asked for gets granted instantly. It’s like that scene from Inglourious Basterds where Hans Lange makes that face and yells, "uuuuuuuu... That's a Bingo !!!" 😉 ).

Bottom line? You can reach a final judgment within six months if you push them with expedited motions. Honestly, I wouldn't be surprised if judges suddenly become incredibly efficient the second they see a chance to boost their clearance rates. 😉 If you want to move fast, get the promissory note notarized immediately. Get that wage garnishment agreement signed by a close relative too. Once that’s done, hit the employer and FIFA with the paperwork. Short, sweet, and legally airtight. Why overcomplicate it?

You missed one tiny detail. After those mandatory provisions, you’ve got Article 71 sitting right there—just scroll down if you can manage it. It defines the statute of limitations for legal claims under Article 67 as exactly one year. And trust me, 365 days disappears fast. If you play your cards right, by the time a creditor even realizes they've been burned, that three-year limit from the same article will have already lapsed too. And please, don't even start debating this with me. It’s common knowledge: if a timely objection is filed, it takes a full year just to get a ruling from the district court. So, when a creditor eventually tries to sue? I’ll just cite Article 71, scribble some nonsense about the statute of limitations, and call it a day. Case closed. I drop Article 71 on the table and walk away. Meanwhile, the judge gets to wipe the sweat off his forehead, happy as can be, because the dispute is settled and he gets to collect his performance bonus. 😉.

My documents—whatever they're worth at this point—are four years old. So, if anyone wants to lecture me about it, they can go ahead and brush their teeth first. Apologies to the admins, by the way; I'm just riding an adrenaline high from that commercial on TV.

Of course I’m going to be the first one to call this criminal act what it is—let's call it a textbook case of corruption. But look, I didn't write the laws in this country. They were written by the very people who created these loopholes just so they could exploit them. It's a rigged system. I always tell people to sit down and negotiate with the debt collectors to find a way to pay that actually makes sense for a human being. Instead, you have companies like EOS just barking orders and demanding payment without any flexibility. $3.25 God, devil, you, and me—it's all crystal clear what that means.

It’s straight-up criminal. They take a debt that already exists and then pile on all these extra costs just to initiate an enforcement action. You’ve got notary fees, actual attorney expenses, notary processing costs, getting certificates of finality, filing the service papers, postage, plus VAT. And then, as if that wasn't enough, you get slapped with the processing fees from the Fed. It's predatory.

I also consider any foreclosure interest rate higher than what you'd get from a standard savings account—the kind banks pay out if they mess up your transaction—to be straight-up criminal usury. Just a year ago, those rates were a staggering 15% annually. Now they're sitting at 7%. What does that mean? It means a grandmother living on $583 facing a foreclosure of $33 could spend the rest of her miserable life just paying off the interest without ever touching the principal. In any other type of mandatory contract, that's predatory lending. But under the current laws? It's perfectly legal.

Back to my own experience. I’ve successfully fought a foreclosure three times. Three separate times the creditor filed for foreclosure based on the exact same document, and three times the court ruled to "vacate the foreclosure order _____ and all actions taken, and reject the motion for foreclosure." I think that term might ring a bell for you. How does it work? Well, let's assume the creditors aren't geniuses. They use templates and don't put much effort into filing, which leads to mistakes. That's exactly where a debtor can step in during an objection—by challenging the foreclosure because the facts simply don't line up.
Brandon Hill8 Brandon Hill8 Active Member
57 messages
joined Apr 2011
#1867 ·
I don't even know where to start with this one. It’s just ridiculous. Honestly, I’m sitting here staring at the screen, shaking my head because some people clearly have no clue what they’re talking about. They just throw things out there without a second thought, expecting everyone else to just nod along. Well, newsflash: I’m not nodding. It’s always the same story, isn't it? A bunch of noise, zero substance. You see these arguments popping up everywhere, and it's like watching a slow-motion train wreck. People get so worked up over nothing, yet when it comes to the actual facts, they suddenly go silent. It’s exhausting. It’s frustrating. And frankly, it’s getting old fast. I’ve spent enough time looking into this to know that the logic just doesn't hold up. It’s flimsy. It’s weak. If you want to debate me, at least bring something to the table that isn't built on sand. Until then, don't expect me to sit here and validate nonsense. I'm done being polite about it. kaže:
Spot on. I said it before and I’ll say it again: these judges are idiots. Legally speaking, they’re morons. Look, they probably have high IQs or whatever, but they couldn't care less about actual justice or what's right. They just blindly check boxes to see if a ruling follows the letter of the law. That’s it. Take this story that just aired on ABC—or maybe it was CBS, I can't remember which network broke the news—about a guy who just got slapped with eight months of probation for killing a stray dog that was tearing up his sheep. The judge didn't give a damn about the fact that this man was defending his livelihood. He didn't care that nobody listened to his complaints, or that the local town council exists solely to collect a paycheck while doing absolutely nothing for the citizens. Instead, the judge went straight for the throat and handed down an eight-month suspended sentence for animal cruelty. A damn stray dog. Sorry, admins, but my blood is absolutely boiling after seeing that.

Think about the allegory of Lady Justice for a second. She’s got the scales in one hand, the sword in the other, and a blindfold wrapped tight around her eyes. But here’s the thing: that blindfold isn't about being impartial. It means she isn't actually looking for what's *right*. She’s just looking at whatever laws happen to be written down in the books and judging based strictly on those rules. It’s a rigged game. If you’re the one who manages to pile the "heavier" laws onto the scale, you win the case. And the person on the losing side? They don't just lose the argument—they get the sword.

Let’s get back to reality here: how do you actually secure an enforceable judgment? Say I’m suing someone close to me for physical assault, looking to claw back some damages. Because our court system is so obsessed with blindly following the rulebook, the judge isn't going to sit there questioning who did what or why. They aren't interested in the nuance. What that means is simple: if the defendant fails to show up twice after being properly served, the judge—completely devoid of empathy or curiosity—is just going to hand down a default judgment in my favor. It’ll validate every single one of my claims, and boom, I’ve got an enforceable order in my pocket. It’s exactly like that famous scene from Inglourious Basterds where Hans Lange makes that face and goes, "uuuuuuuu... That's a Bingo !!!" 😉 ).

At the end of the day, you can eventually reach a final judgment through expedited motions within about six months. Honestly, I can't believe how incredibly efficient these judges become the second they see an opportunity to boost their stats on closed cases. It's almost funny. 😉 Look, if you want to move fast, here’s the play: rush over to a notary to get those promissory notes notarized. Get the wage garnishment agreement signed alongside an immediate family member officially solemnized too. Once that paperwork is airtight, you just drop it on your employer's desk and file it with FIFA. It’s straightforward, it’s concise, and it’s all backed by US law—I don't even need to start listing the specific statutes to prove I'm right.

And now, your Highness, you conveniently forgot to mention that right after those mandatory legal provisions comes the absolute gem of Article 71—it wouldn't have killed you to scroll down a bit more. It clearly states that the statute of limitations for filing a lawsuit under Article 67 is exactly one year. And let me tell you, 365 days flies by incredibly fast. If you play your cards right, by the time the creditor even realizes they’ve been played, that three-year limit defined in the same article will have already expired too. And please, don't even start with me on this. Don't bother debating it. It's common knowledge that if a timely objection is filed, it takes at least a year just to get a ruling from the county court. So, my response to any potential lawsuit from a creditor would be simple: quote Article 71, blah blah blah, blah blah blah—statute of limitations. Boom. I drop Article 71 on my side of the scale and that's it, guys. Case closed. Meanwhile, the judge can just sit there happily wiping the sweat off his forehead because he settled the dispute and gets to collect his performance bonuses. 😉.

My documents—whatever they actually count as these days—are four years old. So, if you ask me, anyone who wants to lecture me about that can go ahead and shove it. And honestly? They should probably go brush their teeth first. (Apologies to the admins again, I’m just riding a massive adrenaline high because of that clip I saw on TV.)

Of course I’m going to be the first one to condemn this—let's call it what it is: a criminal act. But look, I didn't sit down and write the laws of this country. These regulations were drafted by the very same people who rigged the system to create these loopholes in the first place, all so they could carry out their own shady business. It's a closed loop. I always tell people: just sit down with the creditor and work out a deal. Pay what you owe in a way that's actually reasonable and human. But companies like Equifax? They don't care about "reasonable." They just bark "pay up" and leave you hanging. $3.25 Honestly, whether you're a saint or a sinner, it’s crystal clear to everyone what that means.

But on that same note, I consider it straight-up criminal how a debtor gets hit with all these extra costs on top of their existing debt: drafting the seizure motion, notary fees, actual attorney expenses, notary processing costs, getting certifications of finality and enforceability, obtaining those certificates, drafting the service of notice, subsequent mailing of the decision + sales tax, and then, just for kicks, you get slapped with the processing fees from FIFA.

I also find any foreclosure interest rate higher than a standard savings account (which, BTW, retailers pay out if they cause you damages) to be predatory and usurious. And we all know that until a year ago, those rates were a dizzying 15% annually. Today, they're at 7%. This means an elderly woman living on $583 facing a seizure of $33 could spend the rest of her miserable life paying off nothing but interest without ever touching the principal. In any other type of legal relationship, that’s called loan sharking, but under the enforcement laws here, it’s perfectly legal.

Let's get back to me. I have successfully "defeated" a seizure three times—meaning the creditor submitted a motion based on the exact same instrument three separate times, and three times the court ruled that "the seizure order for _____ and all actions taken are vacated, and the seizure motion is dismissed." I believe that terminology might be more familiar to you. How? Well, let's say even the creditors are "stupid." They have the manual, but they don't put in the work when drafting the seizure and they make mistakes. It is precisely in the objection where the debtor can argue to defeat the seizure because it doesn't match the actual facts.

It's interesting how you aren't even aware of what you're saying. If you sue your mother and end up with an enforcement order stating she owes *you* money (and I won't even get into how your plan for damages, regardless of judge statistics, faces much steeper hurdles), what does that have to do with the debt you owe your creditor? Look, if you try to screw over your creditor by inventing a non-existent obligation, you're actually establishing an obligation toward a third party—meaning you're screwing your mother. Because in order to cheat your creditor, you have to be the debtor, get it? And now you've just enabled your creditor to collect from your mother or a close relative.

So, you owe the money. And to avoid forced collection, you sue someone else for a fake debt. Now we have a situation where a non-existent debt exists for a third party, which doesn't affect your debt or the creditor's ability to collect from you, except that you've paved the way for your creditor to go after your debtor. Brilliant.

As for contesting the enforcement instrument, you haven't defeated anything because you didn't even get the chance to contest it. Since we are talking about a dismissal, the court isn't even making a merit-based decision on the validity of the claim. That’s exactly why, when a motion is dismissed, they can just file it again. The only thing is, the statute of limitations doesn't stop running. Also, the enforcement law doesn't even recognize the concept of "contesting" an enforcement instrument. In fact, it contradicts the very nature of an enforcement instrument when it's meant to function as a legally binding judgment.

We haven't gotten any smarter, and frankly, your idea of a "counter-seizure" is just as interesting to me.

Do you even realize what your plan is?

I am screaming.
Brandon Hill8 Brandon Hill8 Active Member
57 messages
joined Apr 2011
#1868 ·
Dennis Jackson6 said:Maybe the guy just doesn't feel like handing out free lessons, but he's dropping hints in code for those willing to actually do the work. I mean, information isn't exactly free, is it?

As if that wouldn't be enough. As if he should actually face criminal charges, even though his "brilliant" little scheme probably breaks half a dozen laws.

Sure, they might be codes, but without the key, they're just noise.
Dennis Jackson6 Dennis Jackson6 Member
37 messages
joined Jan 2018
#1869 ·
Brandon Hill8 said:As if that wouldn't be enough. As if he should actually face criminal charges, even though his "brilliant" little scheme probably breaks half a dozen laws.

Sure, they might be codes, but without the key, they're just noise.


Nothing's been laid out clearly, so we can't really know for sure. I mean, it just looks like half-truths to me.
rowdyraven112 rowdyraven112 Active Member
248 messages
joined Jun 2024
#1870 ·
Brandon Hill8 said:
I don't even know where to start with this one. It’s just ridiculous. Honestly, I’m sitting here staring at the screen, shaking my head because some people clearly have no clue what they’re talking about. They just throw things out there without a second thought, expecting everyone else to just nod along. Well, newsflash: I’m not nodding. It’s always the same story, isn't it? A bunch of noise, zero substance. You see these arguments popping up everywhere, and it's like watching a slow-motion train wreck. People get so worked up over nothing, yet when it comes to the actual facts, they suddenly go silent. It’s exhausting. It’s frustrating. And frankly, it’s getting old fast. I’ve spent enough time looking into this to know that the logic just doesn't hold up. It’s flimsy. It’s weak. If you want to debate me, at least bring something to the table that isn't built on sand. Until then, don't expect me to sit here and validate nonsense. I'm done being polite about it. kaže:
Spot on. I said it before and I’ll say it again: these judges are idiots. Legally speaking, they’re morons. Look, they probably have high IQs or whatever, but they couldn't care less about actual justice or what's right. They just blindly check boxes to see if a ruling follows the letter of the law. That’s it. Take this story that just aired on ABC—or maybe it was CBS, I can't remember which network broke the news—about a guy who just got slapped with eight months of probation for killing a stray dog that was tearing up his sheep. The judge didn't give a damn about the fact that this man was defending his livelihood. He didn't care that nobody listened to his complaints, or that the local town council exists solely to collect a paycheck while doing absolutely nothing for the citizens. Instead, the judge went straight for the throat and handed down an eight-month suspended sentence for animal cruelty. A damn stray dog. Sorry, admins, but my blood is absolutely boiling after seeing that.

Think about the allegory of Lady Justice for a second. She’s got the scales in one hand, the sword in the other, and a blindfold wrapped tight around her eyes. But here’s the thing: that blindfold isn't about being impartial. It means she isn't actually looking for what's *right*. She’s just looking at whatever laws happen to be written down in the books and judging based strictly on those rules. It’s a rigged game. If you’re the one who manages to pile the "heavier" laws onto the scale, you win the case. And the person on the losing side? They don't just lose the argument—they get the sword.

Let’s get back to reality here: how do you actually secure an enforceable judgment? Say I’m suing someone close to me for physical assault, looking to claw back some damages. Because our court system is so obsessed with blindly following the rulebook, the judge isn't going to sit there questioning who did what or why. They aren't interested in the nuance. What that means is simple: if the defendant fails to show up twice after being properly served, the judge—completely devoid of empathy or curiosity—is just going to hand down a default judgment in my favor. It’ll validate every single one of my claims, and boom, I’ve got an enforceable order in my pocket. It’s exactly like that famous scene from Inglourious Basterds where Hans Lange makes that face and goes, "uuuuuuuu... That's a Bingo !!!" 😉 ).

At the end of the day, you can eventually reach a final judgment through expedited motions within about six months. Honestly, I can't believe how incredibly efficient these judges become the second they see an opportunity to boost their stats on closed cases. It's almost funny. 😉 Look, if you want to move fast, here’s the play: rush over to a notary to get those promissory notes notarized. Get the wage garnishment agreement signed alongside an immediate family member officially solemnized too. Once that paperwork is airtight, you just drop it on your employer's desk and file it with FIFA. It’s straightforward, it’s concise, and it’s all backed by US law—I don't even need to start listing the specific statutes to prove I'm right.

And now, your Highness, you conveniently forgot to mention that right after those mandatory legal provisions comes the absolute gem of Article 71—it wouldn't have killed you to scroll down a bit more. It clearly states that the statute of limitations for filing a lawsuit under Article 67 is exactly one year. And let me tell you, 365 days flies by incredibly fast. If you play your cards right, by the time the creditor even realizes they’ve been played, that three-year limit defined in the same article will have already expired too. And please, don't even start with me on this. Don't bother debating it. It's common knowledge that if a timely objection is filed, it takes at least a year just to get a ruling from the county court. So, my response to any potential lawsuit from a creditor would be simple: quote Article 71, blah blah blah, blah blah blah—statute of limitations. Boom. I drop Article 71 on my side of the scale and that's it, guys. Case closed. Meanwhile, the judge can just sit there happily wiping the sweat off his forehead because he settled the dispute and gets to collect his performance bonuses. 😉.

My documents—whatever they actually count as these days—are four years old. So, if you ask me, anyone who wants to lecture me about that can go ahead and shove it. And honestly? They should probably go brush their teeth first. (Apologies to the admins again, I’m just riding a massive adrenaline high because of that clip I saw on TV.)

Of course I’m going to be the first one to condemn this—let's call it what it is: a criminal act. But look, I didn't sit down and write the laws of this country. These regulations were drafted by the very same people who rigged the system to create these loopholes in the first place, all so they could carry out their own shady business. It's a closed loop. I always tell people: just sit down with the creditor and work out a deal. Pay what you owe in a way that's actually reasonable and human. But companies like Equifax? They don't care about "reasonable." They just bark "pay up" and leave you hanging. $3.25 Honestly, whether you're a saint or a sinner, it’s crystal clear to everyone what that means.

But on that same note, I consider it straight-up criminal how a debtor gets hit with all these extra costs on top of their existing debt: drafting the seizure motion, notary fees, actual attorney expenses, notary processing costs, getting certifications of finality and enforceability, obtaining those certificates, drafting the service of notice, subsequent mailing of the decision + sales tax, and then, just for kicks, you get slapped with the processing fees from FIFA.

I also find any foreclosure interest rate higher than a standard savings account (which, BTW, retailers pay out if they cause you damages) to be predatory and usurious. And we all know that until a year ago, those rates were a dizzying 15% annually. Today, they're at 7%. This means an elderly woman living on $583 facing a seizure of $33 could spend the rest of her miserable life paying off nothing but interest without ever touching the principal. In any other type of legal relationship, that’s called loan sharking, but under the enforcement laws here, it’s perfectly legal.

Let's get back to me. I have successfully "defeated" a seizure three times—meaning the creditor submitted a motion based on the exact same instrument three separate times, and three times the court ruled that "the seizure order for _____ and all actions taken are vacated, and the seizure motion is dismissed." I believe that terminology might be more familiar to you. How? Well, let's say even the creditors are "stupid." They have the manual, but they don't put in the work when drafting the seizure and they make mistakes. It is precisely in the objection where the debtor can argue to defeat the seizure because it doesn't match the actual facts.

It's interesting how you aren't even aware of what you're saying. If you sue your mother and end up with an enforcement order stating she owes *you* money (and I won't even get into how your plan for damages, regardless of judge statistics, faces much steeper hurdles), what does that have to do with the debt you owe your creditor? Look, if you try to screw over your creditor by inventing a non-existent obligation, you're actually establishing an obligation toward a third party—meaning you're screwing your mother. Because in order to cheat your creditor, you have to be the debtor, get it? And now you've just enabled your creditor to collect from your mother or a close relative.

So, you owe the money. And to avoid forced collection, you sue someone else for a fake debt. Now we have a situation where a non-existent debt exists for a third party, which doesn't affect your debt or the creditor's ability to collect from you, except that you've paved the way for your creditor to go after your debtor. Brilliant.

As for contesting the enforcement instrument, you haven't defeated anything because you didn't even get the chance to contest it. Since we are talking about a dismissal, the court isn't even making a merit-based decision on the validity of the claim. That’s exactly why, when a motion is dismissed, they can just file it again. The only thing is, the statute of limitations doesn't stop running. Also, the enforcement law doesn't even recognize the concept of "contesting" an enforcement instrument. In fact, it contradicts the very nature of an enforcement instrument when it's meant to function as a legally binding judgment.

We haven't gotten any smarter, and frankly, your idea of a "counter-seizure" is just as interesting to me.

Do you even realize what your plan is?

I am screaming.

To put it simply. I used the mother example just to stay close to fraudulent conveyance principles. The mother owes a creditor $33 (let's say).
I sue my mother for abuse. And, not to repeat myself, I get a judgment against her, and based on that judgment, I enforce it.
My mother and I could even sign a notarized statement saying I lent her $67, and she has to pay me back within 7 days (this type of document has a one-year statute of limitations). With a document like that, I certify the promissory notes, hit up FIFA, certify the instrument under section 202 of the enforcement code, and go after my mother's business. Based on those enforcement orders, I record liens against all her property.
For every one of these instruments, the creditor has one year to file a lawsuit. Like I said, one year is a tiny window for a creditor to even attempt collection (luckily, our courts are incredibly sluggish).

Since everything will be past the statute of limitations, what are you going to do as the creditor? Oh yeah, I can't wait to start the litigation. I'll throw out Section 71 regarding the statute of limitations, and your lawsuit gets dismissed without a hearing.

Do I need to draw this out on paper for you?
All my posts are based on examples that have nothing to do with my actual situation. Read between the lines instead of taking my words literally.

BTW, here are the facts regarding my case.
The enforcement order became final on September 20, 2006. I don't think I need to explain what that implies. Basically, if the creditor doesn't start proceedings within 5 days, then they can... well, I won't say.
Ten years of my life. Enough time to visit the creditor with a baseball bat once everything is done. If only that decision had been fair and just.
The last decision to vacate was three pages long, and judging by what the court advisor wrote in the final reasoning, I don't think the creditor will even bother starting the enforcement anymore; they'll just be wasting their own money.
If I were the creditor, I'd take my cash and hire the lawyer who was filing these enforcements. Then again, they brought it on themselves.

Not happening. I’m holding off on any payments until they deal with the objection I filed within the legal deadline. I'm in no rush. Let the creditor read these lines carefully—they're going to need them. I still have a few aces up my sleeve.

I’ll say it again: is what I did basically criminal? For the hundredth time, yes.
But what I did is nothing compared to how that seizure order was slapped against my family. You realize the entire judicial system is corrupt when they use these tools to first block me from my rights and then prevent the creditor from exercising theirs.
If we’re talking about crime, let's start by reforming these institutions. Otherwise, we might as well just call it legalized usury against people under foreclosure.
Brandon Hill8 Brandon Hill8 Active Member
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joined Apr 2011
#1871 ·
rowdyraven112 I can't even begin to process this. It’s honestly mind-blowing how some people just refuse to see what's right in front of them. I've been sitting here staring at this for ten minutes, trying to find a shred of logic, and there isn't any. None. Zero. It’s the same old story every single time. You try to have a rational conversation, you bring up actual facts, and then you get hit with this absolute nonsense. It’s like talking to a brick wall, only the wall might actually have more common sense. And don't even get me started on the "logic" being used here. It’s completely circular. It’s a loop of pure delusion. How do people live like this? How do you wake up, look in the mirror, and think, "Yeah, that take is totally solid"? It’s embarrassing, really. Just deeply, profoundly embarrassing.
Let me make this simple. I used the example of a mother just to bring it closer to how American law actually functions. A mother owes a debt to a creditor. $33 (let's say).
I’m suing my mother for the abuse she put me through. And if I don't get a judgment against her, I’m going to make sure I enforce it. I'm taking this all the way.
Even my mom and I could sit down with a notary right now and draft a legal statement confirming that I lent her some cash. $67 And they’ve only got seven days to pay me back? Please. This correction is valid for a full year. With a document like this in my hands, I’ll certify the promissory notes, fire them over to the court system, and then take the legal heat straight to the parent company. Once I’ve certified that correction under the relevant sections of the enforcement act, I’m going to register liens against every single piece of property they own. Watch me.
For every one of these corrections, my mother’s creditor only has a single year to file a lawsuit. I’ve said this before, but honestly? One year is an absurdly short window. That’s barely enough time for a creditor to even get their judgment secured—not that anyone expects much from our legal system, given how glacially slow the courts move around here.

Since everything is past the statute of limitations, what are you even going to do as a plaintiff? Honestly, I can’t wait to get this legal process moving. I’m just going to hit them with that Statute of Limitations defense, and the whole lawsuit gets tossed before they can even open their mouths.

Do I actually need to draw this out on paper?
Look, let’s get one thing straight right out of the gate: every single one of my posts is based on examples that have absolutely zero connection to what I'm actually dealing with. Don't go trying to apply my logic to your own life—it just doesn't work that way. Read between the lines here. Don't just take everything I say at face value—I'm not looking for a literal commentary on my exact words.

By the way, here are a few quick facts about me.
That judgment became final and enforceable back on September 20, 2006. Honestly, I don’t think I even need to spell out exactly what that means for everyone here. Bottom line? If the creditor doesn't pull the trigger on legal action within the next five days, they can basically kiss it goodbye. They're running out of time, fast.
Ten years. That’s how much of my life I just threw down the drain. It’s enough time to settle everything, clear my name, and still have enough left over to go visit the guy who ruined me just to look him in the eye. All I wanted was for the decision to be fair. For there to be some shred of justice. But instead, I'm left staring at nothing.
The final ruling on the dismissal was three full pages of pure legal jargon. Honestly, looking at what the court advisor wrote in that last justification, I don't think the creditor is even going to bother trying to restart the collection process. It’s just not worth it anymore—they'd be throwing good money after bad just to chase those legal fees.
If I were the one in charge of the collections agency, I’d take a massive cut of the settlement just to line the pockets of the lawyer who filed the claim. Honestly, though, I can't even blame them—I brought this on myself.

No way... I’m not even touching my check until my formal appeal—which I filed exactly when the law says I have to—is actually processed. I’m in no rush at all on this one. Let the creditor enjoy reading these lines for now, because they’re going to need every bit of it. I’ve still got a few more aces up my sleeve.

I’m saying it again: is what I did basically criminal? Because for the hundredth time, I’m telling you, it absolutely is.
Look, what I’ve dealt with is nothing compared to the absolute mess they made when they slapped that seizure order on my family. You start to realize pretty quickly that the entire judicial system is a complete joke when they have these kinds of tools at their disposal—tools that were used first to strip me of my rights, and then immediately turned around to block the creditor from getting what's theirs. It’s a rigged setup.
If we’re going to sit here and talk about crime, let's actually start with the root of the problem: reforming the damn system itself. Otherwise, we aren't even talking about real criminal activity—we're just discussing how the government gets to engage in legalized usury against people who are already under their thumb.

Legal advice that actually makes it to the bottom of the food chain. Sounds about right.

Look, I’m done arguing about this whole mess with my mom. You think you're winning by pushing through the foreclosure, but you're missing the big picture: once you're finished, her creditor is going to swoop right in and foreclose on her too, since the debt hasn't hit the statute of limitations yet. It’s a cycle. Even if I stop harping on about that Paulian action lawsuit—which, honestly, either you don't get or you're just choosing to ignore—the reality remains exactly the same.

Look, I’ve got nothing against you personally, but let’s remember there are other people reading this thread. You seem to think you're the first person on earth to realize that forced collections—or what we call wage garnishment here—didn't just pop into existence in the modern era. My buddy Frank’s legal claims go all the way back to Roman law. That whole system was established two thousand years ago specifically to deal with "geniuses" like you who think they can just manipulate their debts and get away with it.

To all the scammers out there: I’m with you on this one. But let’s be real—in an era where we have Google-level lawyers running the show, these kinds of shady cases are only going to become more common.
Joseph Sullivan32 Joseph Sullivan32 Newcomer
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joined Sep 2016
#1872 ·
Hello there.

I’m currently in urgent need of a legal professional or an attorney who specializes in drafting appeals against enforcement orders.
If anyone here has experience in this area and might be able to lend a hand, please feel free to send me a direct message so we can discuss the specifics.

The situation involves some inherited debts left behind by my late father, and in this particular instance, the creditor is the FDA.

Since the amount involved has grown to something quite substantial, and I simply don't have the means to settle these debts on my own, I really need some expert guidance.

Thank you all in advance for any help you can provide.
Best regards,
Frank.
Benjamin Taylor6 Benjamin Taylor6 Regular
577 messages
joined Apr 2017
#1873 ·
rowdyraven112 said:To put it simply. I used the mother example just to stay close to fraudulent conveyance principles. The mother owes a creditor $33 (let's say).
I sue my mother for abuse. And, not to repeat myself, I get a judgment against her, and based on that judgment, I enforce it.
My mother and I could even sign a notarized statement saying I lent her $67, and she has to pay me back within 7 days (this type of document has a one-year statute of limitations). With a document like that, I certify the promissory notes, hit up FIFA, certify the instrument under section 202 of the enforcement code, and go after my mother's business. Based on those enforcement orders, I record liens against all her property.
For every one of these instruments, the creditor has one year to file a lawsuit. Like I said, one year is a tiny window for a creditor to even attempt collection (luckily, our courts are incredibly sluggish).

Since everything will be past the statute of limitations, what are you going to do as the creditor? Oh yeah, I can't wait to start the litigation. I'll throw out Section 71 regarding the statute of limitations, and your lawsuit gets dismissed without a hearing.

Do I need to draw this out on paper for you?
All my posts are based on examples that have nothing to do with my actual situation. Read between the lines instead of taking my words literally.

BTW, here are the facts regarding my case.
The enforcement order became final on September 20, 2006. I don't think I need to explain what that implies. Basically, if the creditor doesn't start proceedings within 5 days, then they can... well, I won't say.
Ten years of my life. Enough time to visit the creditor with a baseball bat once everything is done. If only that decision had been fair and just.
The last decision to vacate was three pages long, and judging by what the court advisor wrote in the final reasoning, I don't think the creditor will even bother starting the enforcement anymore; they'll just be wasting their own money.
If I were the creditor, I'd take my cash and hire the lawyer who was filing these enforcements. Then again, they brought it on themselves.

Not happening. I’m holding off on any payments until they deal with the objection I filed within the legal deadline. I'm in no rush. Let the creditor read these lines carefully—they're going to need them. I still have a few aces up my sleeve.

I’ll say it again: is what I did basically criminal? For the hundredth time, yes.
But what I did is nothing compared to how that seizure order was slapped against my family. You realize the entire judicial system is corrupt when they use these tools to first block me from my rights and then prevent the creditor from exercising theirs.
If we’re talking about crime, let's start by reforming these institutions. Otherwise, we might as well just call it legalized usury against people under foreclosure.

The bottom line is, your mother is liable, and she knows full well she’ll be facing garnishment if she doesn't pay up.
So, you two just dream up a fake debt between yourselves.
If you’re the first one to demand enforcement, that creditor is going to have to sit on their hands until you’ve been fully compensated. But honestly? I doubt she’ll stay calm once she realizes there’s no immediate way to collect. She’ll probably try to file a fraudulent conveyance suit or just wait for your mother to pay off that "fictional" debt—assuming your mother actually works or has a pension. That could take forever, since they generally cap wage garnishments at a third of the income.
In the meantime, her debt will just keep piling up with interest. And the creditor will be filing renewed lawsuits every single year just to prevent the statute of limitations from running out.

I actually suggested something similar once to a colleague of mine who had gone bankrupt after co-signing a loan for his wife. He was supposed to sit down with his sister and sign a document stating she had supported him for ten years and he owed her for it. But, well, she wasn't interested in playing those games. Now, he’s just staring down yet another garnishment for $233, which is pretty much the limit since he’s already juggling a credit line.
The one smart move he made—really the only thing he did right—was having his sister take the inheritance from the sale of their house and giving him power of attorney so he could access the funds.
rowdyraven112 rowdyraven112 Active Member
248 messages
joined Jun 2024
#1874 ·
Benjamin Taylor6 said:The bottom line is, your mother is liable, and she knows full well she’ll be facing garnishment if she doesn't pay up.
So, you two just dream up a fake debt between yourselves.
If you’re the first one to demand enforcement, that creditor is going to have to sit on their hands until you’ve been fully compensated. But honestly? I doubt she’ll stay calm once she realizes there’s no immediate way to collect. She’ll probably try to file a fraudulent conveyance suit or just wait for your mother to pay off that "fictional" debt—assuming your mother actually works or has a pension. That could take forever, since they generally cap wage garnishments at a third of the income.
In the meantime, her debt will just keep piling up with interest. And the creditor will be filing renewed lawsuits every single year just to prevent the statute of limitations from running out.

I actually suggested something similar once to a colleague of mine who had gone bankrupt after co-signing a loan for his wife. He was supposed to sit down with his sister and sign a document stating she had supported him for ten years and he owed her for it. But, well, she wasn't interested in playing those games. Now, he’s just staring down yet another garnishment for $233, which is pretty much the limit since he’s already juggling a credit line.
The one smart move he made—really the only thing he did right—was having his sister take the inheritance from the sale of their house and giving him power of attorney so he could access the funds.

Exactly! But now imagine you're looking at a figure of $100 and an income of $1167 (say, a decent average pension). What you forgot to mention is that interest applies to my debt too, right? The current garnishment interest rate is 7.14%. That comes out to $7.25 annually.
One third of that "pension" is $389, which rounds out to $4.75 per year. Clear enough?
Now explain to me how that debt gets paid off early? Especially since I have priority liens on both the "pension" and at the IRS.
Particularly when you consider the fact that "mother" has nothing to leave behind that would allow the debt to be transferred to me under any law? By the way, I'll mention your response to Fatal Error regarding writing the appeal when I reply to him.
Anyone telling me this kind of collection method is fair? I'm done arguing with them.

If this country were normal, the debt would already be paid. But since the government isn't normal, my resistance to this kind of usury is a necessity.

The creditor can file a fraudulent conveyance suit, but like I said, I'm going to invoke the statute of limitations. In fact, the statute of limitations on the first levy expired yesterday.
rowdyraven112 rowdyraven112 Active Member
248 messages
joined Jun 2024
#1875 ·
Joseph Sullivan32 said:Hello there.

I’m currently in urgent need of a legal professional or an attorney who specializes in drafting appeals against enforcement orders.
If anyone here has experience in this area and might be able to lend a hand, please feel free to send me a direct message so we can discuss the specifics.

The situation involves some inherited debts left behind by my late father, and in this particular instance, the creditor is the FDA.

Since the amount involved has grown to something quite substantial, and I simply don't have the means to settle these debts on my own, I really need some expert guidance.

Thank you all in advance for any help you can provide.
Best regards,
Frank.

Debts are inherited up to the value of the estate. You can't file any appeal or objection without seeing the full picture first.
Sam Wright21 Sam Wright21 Regular
402 messages
joined Jul 2016
#1876 ·
Joseph Sullivan32 said:Hello there.

I’m currently in urgent need of a legal professional or an attorney who specializes in drafting appeals against enforcement orders.
If anyone here has experience in this area and might be able to lend a hand, please feel free to send me a direct message so we can discuss the specifics.

The situation involves some inherited debts left behind by my late father, and in this particular instance, the creditor is the FDA.

Since the amount involved has grown to something quite substantial, and I simply don't have the means to settle these debts on my own, I really need some expert guidance.

Thank you all in advance for any help you can provide.
Best regards,
Frank.

You really should have renounced the inheritance if the debts outweighed the assets you were inheriting. Personally, I have a deep disdain for lawyers, so I won't be offering any recommendations.
rowdyraven112 rowdyraven112 Active Member
248 messages
joined Jun 2024
#1877 ·
Interest rates are sitting at 7.88% right now. My bad on the error.
Benjamin Taylor6 Benjamin Taylor6 Regular
577 messages
joined Apr 2017
#1878 ·
rowdyraven112 said:Exactly! But now imagine you're looking at a figure of $100 and an income of $1167 (say, a decent average pension). What you forgot to mention is that interest applies to my debt too, right? The current garnishment interest rate is 7.14%. That comes out to $7.25 annually.
One third of that "pension" is $389, which rounds out to $4.75 per year. Clear enough?
Now explain to me how that debt gets paid off early? Especially since I have priority liens on both the "pension" and at the IRS.
Particularly when you consider the fact that "mother" has nothing to leave behind that would allow the debt to be transferred to me under any law? By the way, I'll mention your response to Fatal Error regarding writing the appeal when I reply to him.
Anyone telling me this kind of collection method is fair? I'm done arguing with them.

If this country were normal, the debt would already be paid. But since the government isn't normal, my resistance to this kind of usury is a necessity.

The creditor can file a fraudulent conveyance suit, but like I said, I'm going to invoke the statute of limitations. In fact, the statute of limitations on the first levy expired yesterday.

I follow all of that perfectly, except for one little "detail"!
If Mom owes massive amounts of money, your move only makes sense if they haven't already started the garnishment process for her specific debt. If the process is already active, then your agreement (the garnishment) just sits there waiting until the first creditor is satisfied.
So, yeah, this is only possible in certain special circumstances.
For instance, a friend of mine had a son who did this:
- It hit me hard, but honestly, when it happened, I thought it was just a bread delivery or something like that—he told me. The police determined the kid was seriously injured and didn't even have his driver's license. He wasn't drunk, and the car didn't even have plates.
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Now the father is on medical leave because of the sheer stress and misery of knowing he’s looking at a $20,000 bill (though, strictly speaking, the son is the one on the hook, not the dad).
In a scenario like this, a father could potentially cook up some legal loophole: say, the son is abusive, harassing him, and won't leave him alone. Then the son gets hit with a garnishment. Of course, no creditor will see a dime because the kid is still in school. But the moment he lands a job, they'll start docking a third of his paycheck immediately. Only problem is, that third will end up in the father's pocket instead of sonik-trgovina's.
Sam Wright21 Sam Wright21 Regular
402 messages
joined Jul 2016
#1879 ·
I would appreciate some perspective on my proposed strategy to protect my only significant asset.

My idea is to gift a portion of my apartment to my mother—which, under current tax laws, wouldn't trigger any tax liability—effectively settling the debt she incurred back in 2003 when she provided the funds for my initial purchase.

The complication is that my mother’s health has declined to the point where she requires a legal guardian; my sister would step into that role, signing the deed of gift on her behalf.

To provide context, I have been through an absolute gauntlet of litigation that has essentially dismantled my life. I haven't been able to recover stolen wages, claim my inheritance, collect a substantial professional fee, or even enforce the rights guaranteed to me by the inter-ownership agreement and the building management contract.

Most of these legal battles have dragged on for over a decade, but this latest ordeal was particularly egregious. We were dealing with complex construction issues, yet the judge—who clearly lacked any grasp of the technicalities—ruled against me without even holding a proper hearing or allowing for the presentation of evidence.

By the time she had cleared the procedural hurdles to make such a predetermined ruling, I was hit with a bill for about $4,000 just to cover their lawyers' attendance at hearings where no actual arguments were even heard. In fact, the judge spent most of the time berating me for representing myself, despite the fact that as an American citizen, I have a constitutional right to direct access to the courts. She lectured me incessantly and tossed out absurd inquiries, yet refused to let me speak... it was truly harrowing. 😢

With my bank accounts frozen since 2013, my apartment is the only thing I have left to hold onto, and I am desperate to ensure it isn't seized.

So, does anyone think a deed of gift is a viable way to handle this situation?
Benjamin Taylor6 Benjamin Taylor6 Regular
577 messages
joined Apr 2017
#1880 ·
Sam Wright21 said:I would appreciate some perspective on my proposed strategy to protect my only significant asset.

My idea is to gift a portion of my apartment to my mother—which, under current tax laws, wouldn't trigger any tax liability—effectively settling the debt she incurred back in 2003 when she provided the funds for my initial purchase.

The complication is that my mother’s health has declined to the point where she requires a legal guardian; my sister would step into that role, signing the deed of gift on her behalf.

To provide context, I have been through an absolute gauntlet of litigation that has essentially dismantled my life. I haven't been able to recover stolen wages, claim my inheritance, collect a substantial professional fee, or even enforce the rights guaranteed to me by the inter-ownership agreement and the building management contract.

Most of these legal battles have dragged on for over a decade, but this latest ordeal was particularly egregious. We were dealing with complex construction issues, yet the judge—who clearly lacked any grasp of the technicalities—ruled against me without even holding a proper hearing or allowing for the presentation of evidence.

By the time she had cleared the procedural hurdles to make such a predetermined ruling, I was hit with a bill for about $4,000 just to cover their lawyers' attendance at hearings where no actual arguments were even heard. In fact, the judge spent most of the time berating me for representing myself, despite the fact that as an American citizen, I have a constitutional right to direct access to the courts. She lectured me incessantly and tossed out absurd inquiries, yet refused to let me speak... it was truly harrowing. 😢

With my bank accounts frozen since 2013, my apartment is the only thing I have left to hold onto, and I am desperate to ensure it isn't seized.

So, does anyone think a deed of gift is a viable way to handle this situation?

It wouldn't be a simple gift deed; you're looking at a standard gift contract. But here’s the catch: you’d likely need to transfer the entire apartment to your mother, your kids, or your husband—or split it among them. If you only transfer a partial interest, your creditors can still seize your specific share and then petition to force the sale of the entire property.

If you're expecting any kind of windfall or assets coming your way, you have to be extremely careful, because they will move to garnish those funds immediately. Especially anything sitting in a bank account.

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