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Women granted voting rights in Saudi Arabia

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Participants Kevin Gonzalez79Richard Wilson4irontiger29Jack Myers59Harold Murphy58restlessangler4Justin Sullivan3bluerider63Ethan Morales22Amy Rodriguez10darkhawk43Melissa Chavez6wiredraven82briskhound33
Kevin Gonzalez79 Kevin Gonzalez79 Active MemberOP
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#1 ·
This marks a revolutionary shift... Under previous restrictions in Saudi Arabia, women were prohibited from driving and could not even leave the country without a male guardian's permission.
Richard Wilson4 Richard Wilson4 Veteran
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#2 ·
Come on, at least give me something to work with
irontiger29 irontiger29 Member
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#3 ·
Kevin Gonzalez79 said:This marks a revolutionary shift... Under previous restrictions in Saudi Arabia, women were prohibited from driving and could not even leave the country without a male guardian's permission.

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Quote : Saudi Arabia is an absolute monarchy http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saudi_Arabia#Politics

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saudi_Arabia#Politics
Jack Myers59 Jack Myers59 Member
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joined May 2013
#4 ·
So, what kind of election are we talking about here? Voting for Miss Saudi Arabia? That's wild.
Harold Murphy58 Harold Murphy58 Newcomer
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#5 ·
I’m going for American citizenship...🤣
Finally, people are coming to their senses. Our church actually teaches that every single human being has the right to participate in politics, unlike that idiot in the comments spouting total nonsense.
Kevin Gonzalez79 Kevin Gonzalez79 Active MemberOP
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#6 ·
"Women will be able to run as candidates in the municipal elections and will even have the right to vote."

Women will finally have the right to both run for office and cast their ballots in local municipal elections...

This represents a modest step forward in emancipation, which will undoubtedly spark further revolutions across the rest of the Middle East.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-15052030
restlessangler4 restlessangler4 Member
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joined Sep 2011
#7 ·
She’ll
just vote however her husband or father tells her to...
Justin Sullivan3 Justin Sullivan3 Newcomer
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#8 ·
Progress is being made—the government finally admitted they exist and granted them the exact same rights as men; no more 🤣

Let’s try a little thought experiment: would you rather be free as a Greek person in a collapsing economy, or filthy rich as a Saudi person in a country where you have zero political rights?
bluerider63 bluerider63 Regular
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#9 ·
It finally went down in America's biggest ally over on the Arabian Peninsula.
Ethan Morales22 Ethan Morales22 Active Member
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#10 ·
So what’s the deal with having a vote when one of America's biggest allies is Saudi Arabia? We're talking about the most rigid dictatorship in the Arab world—literally an absolute monarchy 🤷

How are you supposed to exercise any kind of democratic right in a country where voting doesn't even exist? 🤔

Maybe they can vote for 🤷Eurovision, or maybe "Arabsong" or whatever they call it

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Amy Rodriguez10 Amy Rodriguez10 Newcomer
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#11 ·
Jack Myers59 said:So, what kind of election are we talking about here? Voting for Miss Saudi Arabia? That's wild.

They’re talking about holding elections now, but the Laden party is already in charge—they basically run the show alongside the Americans. It’s just the illusion of having a vote in an election that isn't even real...😁

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Politics_of_Saudi_Arabia

If this weren't so tragic, it would be the joke of the day.

It's pretty straightforward: most rights are off the table. For instance, in Saudi Arabia—a major US ally—women aren't even allowed to drive.
darkhawk43 darkhawk43 Member
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#12 ·
Justin Sullivan3 said:Progress is being made—the government finally admitted they exist and granted them the exact same rights as men; no more 🤣

Let’s try a little thought experiment: would you rather be free as a Greek person in a collapsing economy, or filthy rich as a Saudi person in a country where you have zero political rights?

Well, if you're a wealthy Saudi person, you actually *do* have political rights. In this part of the world, all the power plays are built on tribal connections, so having the chance to make serious money is tied directly to your tribal ties and your ability to participate in "politics." Honestly, I’d take being a rich Saudi person over being a Greek person any day. There’s a whole list of other messed-up nations I’d pick before even considering wanting to be Greek. You can mock me all you want, but from where I'm sitting (right here in Saudi Arabia 👋), the political landscape in a lot of North American countries doesn't look much different from the political life in Saudi Arabia.
Melissa Chavez6 Melissa Chavez6 Member
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#13 ·
http://www.planet.com.mm/forums/phot...ure%5B2%5D.jpg This is what a wedding looks like in Saudi Arabia.
Justin Sullivan3 Justin Sullivan3 Newcomer
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#14 ·
Melissa Chavez6 said:http://www.planet.com.mm/forums/phot...ure%5B2%5D.jpg This is what a wedding looks like in Saudi Arabia.

From left to right:

The guy with the mustache is rigid and authoritative—if she doesn't listen, he’ll deliver an instant slap. He thinks he can do whatever he wants with her, and if there isn't a hot meal waiting when he gets home from work, there's going to be trouble. To him, she's just property, like a house or a car, and the woman lives in constant fear of being beaten.

To the right of the mustache, the guy is completely checked out. He's just waiting for this whole thing to wrap up so he can go home and ignore his wife for the rest of his life. It's all just a performance for the relatives; he probably lost this marriage lottery by getting some ugly corpse, so he'll likely just pick up another wife later to see if his luck improves next time.

In the middle, we have the traditionalist—dignified and proud. He lives strictly by the rules of the Quran; his Islamic duty is to be a family man and provide for his wife and kids. Everything will be fine, and he'll have a good life... unless the tension and frustration from living under a dictatorship and the constant brainwashing at the mosque merges with some life trauma. Then, he leaves his family, starts messing around with TNTom, and catches the martyr express toward some Western city to find those promised virgins.

The second one from the right actually loves his wife, but he curses the fact that they have to live in such a messed-up country. His parents criticize him because he doesn't discipline her properly or keep her in line (she's too cheerful and always smiling, which in their eyes clearly means she's plotting something bad).

The last one is terrified. If he lived anywhere else, he would never get married because he could never say a single word to his wife without bowing his head. She'll have to be the one to initiate sex—even if she finds the whole thing repulsive—because if she ever tries anyone else, it's stoning in the main square.

There you go, it's Gordon—you claim to know Saudi people, so how was my psychoanalysis of the faces in this photo? Did I nail it? 😁
restlessangler4 restlessangler4 Member
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#15 ·
darkhawk43 said:Well, if you're a wealthy Saudi person, you actually *do* have political rights. In this part of the world, all the power plays are built on tribal connections, so having the chance to make serious money is tied directly to your tribal ties and your ability to participate in "politics." Honestly, I’d take being a rich Saudi person over being a Greek person any day. There’s a whole list of other messed-up nations I’d pick before even considering wanting to be Greek. You can mock me all you want, but from where I'm sitting (right here in Saudi Arabia 👋), the political landscape in a lot of North American countries doesn't look much different from the political life in Saudi Arabia.

Well, that’s just because you aren’t a woman
Harold Murphy58 Harold Murphy58 Newcomer
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Justin Sullivan3 said:From left to right:

The guy with the mustache is rigid and authoritative—if she doesn't listen, he’ll deliver an instant slap. He thinks he can do whatever he wants with her, and if there isn't a hot meal waiting when he gets home from work, there's going to be trouble. To him, she's just property, like a house or a car, and the woman lives in constant fear of being beaten.

To the right of the mustache, the guy is completely checked out. He's just waiting for this whole thing to wrap up so he can go home and ignore his wife for the rest of his life. It's all just a performance for the relatives; he probably lost this marriage lottery by getting some ugly corpse, so he'll likely just pick up another wife later to see if his luck improves next time.

In the middle, we have the traditionalist—dignified and proud. He lives strictly by the rules of the Quran; his Islamic duty is to be a family man and provide for his wife and kids. Everything will be fine, and he'll have a good life... unless the tension and frustration from living under a dictatorship and the constant brainwashing at the mosque merges with some life trauma. Then, he leaves his family, starts messing around with TNTom, and catches the martyr express toward some Western city to find those promised virgins.

The second one from the right actually loves his wife, but he curses the fact that they have to live in such a messed-up country. His parents criticize him because he doesn't discipline her properly or keep her in line (she's too cheerful and always smiling, which in their eyes clearly means she's plotting something bad).

The last one is terrified. If he lived anywhere else, he would never get married because he could never say a single word to his wife without bowing his head. She'll have to be the one to initiate sex—even if she finds the whole thing repulsive—because if she ever tries anyone else, it's stoning in the main square.

There you go, it's Gordon—you claim to know Saudi people, so how was my psychoanalysis of the faces in this photo? Did I nail it? 😁

Calling someone "authoritarian" is negative—it's all about fear. But being "authoritative" is actually a good thing; it means being a leader, staying non-violent, and respecting others instead of acting like everything belongs to you😉. So, were you trying to say the guy with the mustache is authoritarian?
darkhawk43 darkhawk43 Member
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#17 ·
Justin Sullivan3 said:From left to right:

The guy with the mustache is rigid and authoritative—if she doesn't listen, he’ll deliver an instant slap. He thinks he can do whatever he wants with her, and if there isn't a hot meal waiting when he gets home from work, there's going to be trouble. To him, she's just property, like a house or a car, and the woman lives in constant fear of being beaten.

To the right of the mustache, the guy is completely checked out. He's just waiting for this whole thing to wrap up so he can go home and ignore his wife for the rest of his life. It's all just a performance for the relatives; he probably lost this marriage lottery by getting some ugly corpse, so he'll likely just pick up another wife later to see if his luck improves next time.

In the middle, we have the traditionalist—dignified and proud. He lives strictly by the rules of the Quran; his Islamic duty is to be a family man and provide for his wife and kids. Everything will be fine, and he'll have a good life... unless the tension and frustration from living under a dictatorship and the constant brainwashing at the mosque merges with some life trauma. Then, he leaves his family, starts messing around with TNTom, and catches the martyr express toward some Western city to find those promised virgins.

The second one from the right actually loves his wife, but he curses the fact that they have to live in such a messed-up country. His parents criticize him because he doesn't discipline her properly or keep her in line (she's too cheerful and always smiling, which in their eyes clearly means she's plotting something bad).

The last one is terrified. If he lived anywhere else, he would never get married because he could never say a single word to his wife without bowing his head. She'll have to be the one to initiate sex—even if she finds the whole thing repulsive—because if she ever tries anyone else, it's stoning in the main square.

There you go, it's Gordon—you claim to know Saudi people, so how was my psychoanalysis of the faces in this photo? Did I nail it? 😁

The only thing actually bothering me about your "analysis" is the fact that these guys in the picture aren't even Saudi people to begin with. 😁 😁

Based on physiognomy and my years of experience dealing with folks in that part of the world, you're looking at Pakistani people or maybe Bangladeshi people. Plus, let's be real: Saudi men don't show up to weddings wearing Western-style suits.
wiredraven82 wiredraven82 Active Member
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#18 ·
They claim they're "fast," and I'm supposedly supposed to "marvel at how quickly they're keeping pace with the times"... Give me a break. Does this mean they’ve finally decided that women in Saudi Arabia are actual human beings too, or what? 🤷
darkhawk43 darkhawk43 Member
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joined Apr 2007
#19 ·
Justin Sullivan3 said:From left to right:

The guy with the mustache is rigid and authoritative—if she doesn't listen, he’ll deliver an instant slap. He thinks he can do whatever he wants with her, and if there isn't a hot meal waiting when he gets home from work, there's going to be trouble. To him, she's just property, like a house or a car, and the woman lives in constant fear of being beaten.

To the right of the mustache, the guy is completely checked out. He's just waiting for this whole thing to wrap up so he can go home and ignore his wife for the rest of his life. It's all just a performance for the relatives; he probably lost this marriage lottery by getting some ugly corpse, so he'll likely just pick up another wife later to see if his luck improves next time.

In the middle, we have the traditionalist—dignified and proud. He lives strictly by the rules of the Quran; his Islamic duty is to be a family man and provide for his wife and kids. Everything will be fine, and he'll have a good life... unless the tension and frustration from living under a dictatorship and the constant brainwashing at the mosque merges with some life trauma. Then, he leaves his family, starts messing around with TNTom, and catches the martyr express toward some Western city to find those promised virgins.

The second one from the right actually loves his wife, but he curses the fact that they have to live in such a messed-up country. His parents criticize him because he doesn't discipline her properly or keep her in line (she's too cheerful and always smiling, which in their eyes clearly means she's plotting something bad).

The last one is terrified. If he lived anywhere else, he would never get married because he could never say a single word to his wife without bowing his head. She'll have to be the one to initiate sex—even if she finds the whole thing repulsive—because if she ever tries anyone else, it's stoning in the main square.

There you go, it's Gordon—you claim to know Saudi people, so how was my psychoanalysis of the faces in this photo? Did I nail it? 😁

Speaking of public squares, I actually got stuck in some ridiculous gridlock just half a mile from the office for about 20 minutes this morning. I asked a coworker what the hell was going on, and he just goes:

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-iqmBaMu9EB.../beheading.JPG

http://www.news24.com/World/News/Sau...urder-20110710

😁

Man, I tell ya. It's not like anyone in the United Kingdom is actually going to waste their precious social programs trying to fix those guys.
briskhound33 briskhound33 Member
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#20 ·
Kevin Gonzalez79 said:This marks a revolutionary shift... Under previous restrictions in Saudi Arabia, women were prohibited from driving and could not even leave the country without a male guardian's permission.

I guess they're lucky? Honestly, wow... but seriously, which century is it going to be before they stop the stoning, the whipping, and the whole thing where they chop off hands or heads (depending on how bad the sin was)?

It really feels like this "Spring" is some kind of miracle happening over in the Middle East.🙂

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