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How credible are Michael Newton's "discoveries"?

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Kate Peterson5 Kate Peterson5 NewcomerOP
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#1 ·
There is a certain subset of people who believe they have attained profound wisdom simply by skimming through the works of Michael Newton. It would be highly beneficial for those individuals to take a moment to read this:

http://www.oslobadjanje.com/autorski...oterapiju.html

One really only needs to examine the vast array of other historical perspectives regarding what transpires after death—take the Tibetan Book of the Dead or the Vedas, for instance—to see the discrepancy. Is it not curious how much Newton's findings seem to diverge from these ancient, sacred traditions?
Nancy Wilson2 Nancy Wilson2 Active Member
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#2 ·
One comment found online regarding this matter—not my own, mind you.

"I suspect this critique misses the mark slightly.
The denial of possession or demonization—which bothered me at first as well—is actually quite understandable once you realize that Newton draws his conclusions strictly from the specific cases he handled. He didn't encounter cases of possession and he states that explicitly. It isn't even logical to expect someone experiencing possession to seek him out, given that such an entity wouldn't want itself exposed.
His flaw lies in projecting his personal experience as a universal rule for everyone, but if one looks through the lens of the soul, no possession could ever be intense enough to overwrite the soul itself. From that perspective, possession can be viewed as a sort of dream. That isn't necessarily an incorrect assessment.
Other criticisms suggesting he uses suggestion or programs his clients miss the point entirely. It is simply impossible to avoid some level of suggestion during these sessions, particularly if the client is already inclined toward it. Despite certain suggestions, the primary objective—obtaining objective, unbiased information—remains uncompromised. Newton certainly wasn't perfect, and it's unreasonable to expect zero errors; therefore, it is unjustified to frame those mistakes as an abuse of regression therapy. Besides, he was a pioneer in this field; he had no predecessors to model himself after, making the influence of the unknown an inevitable factor in his work.
I believe he made a wise choice by avoiding the depiction and explanation of negativity and possession, as doing so would have dragged him into the murky waters of moralizing and religious programming. He would have lost sight of the goal: presenting life's outcome as a positive thing, because it truly is. This underlying positivity permeates the entire work, and that is its greatest value.
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One might fault him for drawing universal conclusions based solely on what he knows: that possession does not exist. But if you understand the mechanics, as it seems this critic does not, the soul can never be possessed. Only the body and the mind—which is derived from the body—can be. The soul acts merely as the user and the witness. If the body is possessed by an entity, it has no impact on the soul other than acting as a peripheral disturbance, much like any other distraction. Humans are 'possessed' by various things and beliefs throughout their lives; entities are the smallest and rarest of these issues.
Since Newton was receiving information directly from the souls themselves, it stands to reason that he wouldn't pay much attention to or emphasize problems like possession, which aren't even that common.
Furthermore, dwelling too heavily on the issue of possession diverts energy away from far more significant matters: the transcendental nature of the soul, its original freedom, and its unconditional state.
...
As far as I am aware, Newton was the first to present this material so directly, offering the information he gathered in a remarkably objective and impartial manner. It is frankly absurd to accuse him of fundamentalism or programming. Minor errors are always possible in this kind of work, and they undoubtedly exist—he himself noted his efforts to avoid leading the client—but such errors are certainly not significant enough to overshadow his entire body of work. Which, as I mentioned, concerns the very life of the soul."

Whoever wrote this, I think they've said all that needs to be said.

This text appears in a PDF version of the book *Soul Plan* available online;

"Beyond this appropriate conclusion, it might be even more fitting to suggest a mandatory reading
of the Tibetan Book of the Dead (*Bardo Thodol*) following this book. Even for those who have
already read it, it will be useful to be reminded that it clearly explains that everything a deceased person experiences is a projection of their own mind within a higher astral and mental realm. All the cases described in the books of Dr. Michael Newton are precisely such descriptions. This doesn't mean they aren't true—they certainly are—it just means they demonstrate the full depth and power of a subconscious mind shaped by life's impressions (samskaras). Consequently, souls describe environments and events tailored to them, modeled after earthly concepts (libraries, study rooms, recreation areas, the appearance and clothing of other beings, etc.)."Everything we have discussed here regarding near-death experiences is essentially a collection of projections—mental constructs formed by a buildup of subconscious impressions and their subsequent reactions (what one might call *vasanas* and *samskaras*). Through Hypnosis, these accumulated memories are unlocked. One cannot achieve anything beyond this via Hypnosis; it serves merely as a tool for scrutinizing the subconscious mind, which acts as a reservoir for everything we have carried since our existence as souls began. Consequently, while the information presented here is accurate, it remains inherently colored and conditioned by the mind’s unique mechanics and its activity within the astral and higher mental realms once the body is vacated.
bluemason3 bluemason3 Veteran
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#3 ·
I didn't have the energy to slog through more than a few pages of that article, but it’s clearly just a clash of religious ideologies regarding the existence of evil and possession... there isn't much actual evidence on either side. I did pick up on some patterns in the methodology itself—things like leading questions, indirect suggestion, and the creation of false memories. While Newton's work certainly isn't definitive proof, if we assume he actually understands Hypnosis and psychology, you have to wonder if he's intentionally manipulating things for financial gain by fueling a specific movement...
Dana Fox4 Dana Fox4 Newcomer
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#4 ·
Obsessed? Give me a break. We’re talking about little parlor tricks for kids here. Honestly, I’m a total skeptic when it comes to Hypnosis, too. I’d love to see someone actually try to put me under; it feels like nothing more than a massive racket designed to fleece naive people.☕

That book is almost as vapid as the website where that review was pulled from. It looks like Tamara wrote a fifteen-page manifesto on it, while the site's author rambles on about vague "entities" and "original people" without making any actual sense.😂😂 It’s pretty bleak when you realize this is the kind of stuff being taken seriously by the media.
bluemason3 bluemason3 Veteran
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#5 ·
There isn't really a point in debating whether you believe in Hypnosis or not when it's already medically proven. The real issue starts when people try to mystify it and push it into a space that's just hard to defend 😳
Larry Young192 Larry Young192 Newcomer
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#6 ·
Nancy Wilson2 said:One comment found online regarding this matter—not my own, mind you.

"I suspect this critique misses the mark slightly.
The denial of possession or demonization—which bothered me at first as well—is actually quite understandable once you realize that Newton draws his conclusions strictly from the specific cases he handled. He didn't encounter cases of possession and he states that explicitly. It isn't even logical to expect someone experiencing possession to seek him out, given that such an entity wouldn't want itself exposed.
His flaw lies in projecting his personal experience as a universal rule for everyone, but if one looks through the lens of the soul, no possession could ever be intense enough to overwrite the soul itself. From that perspective, possession can be viewed as a sort of dream. That isn't necessarily an incorrect assessment.
Other criticisms suggesting he uses suggestion or programs his clients miss the point entirely. It is simply impossible to avoid some level of suggestion during these sessions, particularly if the client is already inclined toward it. Despite certain suggestions, the primary objective—obtaining objective, unbiased information—remains uncompromised. Newton certainly wasn't perfect, and it's unreasonable to expect zero errors; therefore, it is unjustified to frame those mistakes as an abuse of regression therapy. Besides, he was a pioneer in this field; he had no predecessors to model himself after, making the influence of the unknown an inevitable factor in his work.
I believe he made a wise choice by avoiding the depiction and explanation of negativity and possession, as doing so would have dragged him into the murky waters of moralizing and religious programming. He would have lost sight of the goal: presenting life's outcome as a positive thing, because it truly is. This underlying positivity permeates the entire work, and that is its greatest value.
...
One might fault him for drawing universal conclusions based solely on what he knows: that possession does not exist. But if you understand the mechanics, as it seems this critic does not, the soul can never be possessed. Only the body and the mind—which is derived from the body—can be. The soul acts merely as the user and the witness. If the body is possessed by an entity, it has no impact on the soul other than acting as a peripheral disturbance, much like any other distraction. Humans are 'possessed' by various things and beliefs throughout their lives; entities are the smallest and rarest of these issues.
Since Newton was receiving information directly from the souls themselves, it stands to reason that he wouldn't pay much attention to or emphasize problems like possession, which aren't even that common.
Furthermore, dwelling too heavily on the issue of possession diverts energy away from far more significant matters: the transcendental nature of the soul, its original freedom, and its unconditional state.
...
As far as I am aware, Newton was the first to present this material so directly, offering the information he gathered in a remarkably objective and impartial manner. It is frankly absurd to accuse him of fundamentalism or programming. Minor errors are always possible in this kind of work, and they undoubtedly exist—he himself noted his efforts to avoid leading the client—but such errors are certainly not significant enough to overshadow his entire body of work. Which, as I mentioned, concerns the very life of the soul."

Whoever wrote this, I think they've said all that needs to be said.

This text appears in a PDF version of the book *Soul Plan* available online;

"Beyond this appropriate conclusion, it might be even more fitting to suggest a mandatory reading
of the Tibetan Book of the Dead (*Bardo Thodol*) following this book. Even for those who have
already read it, it will be useful to be reminded that it clearly explains that everything a deceased person experiences is a projection of their own mind within a higher astral and mental realm. All the cases described in the books of Dr. Michael Newton are precisely such descriptions. This doesn't mean they aren't true—they certainly are—it just means they demonstrate the full depth and power of a subconscious mind shaped by life's impressions (samskaras). Consequently, souls describe environments and events tailored to them, modeled after earthly concepts (libraries, study rooms, recreation areas, the appearance and clothing of other beings, etc.)."Everything we have discussed here regarding near-death experiences is essentially a collection of projections—mental constructs formed by a buildup of subconscious impressions and their subsequent reactions (what one might call *vasanas* and *samskaras*). Through Hypnosis, these accumulated memories are unlocked. One cannot achieve anything beyond this via Hypnosis; it serves merely as a tool for scrutinizing the subconscious mind, which acts as a reservoir for everything we have carried since our existence as souls began. Consequently, while the information presented here is accurate, it remains inherently colored and conditioned by the mind’s unique mechanics and its activity within the astral and higher mental realms once the body is vacated.

You wrote up there that the comment isn't yours. What do you mean it isn't yours?
Basically, I agree with the comment IN TOTAL. I would just add that Michael Newton himself thinks this way; he isn't making absolute claims, but rather sharing his thoughts and hypotheses, noting that he has only scratched the surface of something massive. In the end, he tells anyone who doubts him to just take what makes sense to them and discard the rest. He’s simply handed us the results of his work—his subjective conclusions and analyses. He isn't asking us to second-guess him, but rather to look at the experiences of his clients, of which there were many...
Nancy Wilson2 Nancy Wilson2 Active Member
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#7 ·
Larry Young192 said:You wrote up there that the comment isn't yours. What do you mean it isn't yours?
Basically, I agree with the comment IN TOTAL. I would just add that Michael Newton himself thinks this way; he isn't making absolute claims, but rather sharing his thoughts and hypotheses, noting that he has only scratched the surface of something massive. In the end, he tells anyone who doubts him to just take what makes sense to them and discard the rest. He’s simply handed us the results of his work—his subjective conclusions and analyses. He isn't asking us to second-guess him, but rather to look at the experiences of his clients, of which there were many...

It isn't mine—not in the sense that I authored it myself. Rather, another user over on CNN wrote it; I simply took the liberty of copying their comment here into this thread.

For the most part, I find myself in complete agreement with that sentiment—truly, in its entirety—though I feel compelled to add one small point. It is worth noting that Michael Newton isn’t actually making definitive claims here—he is merely sharing his thoughts. He is offering hypotheses and suggesting certain possibilities, all while maintaining the humble stance that he has only scratched the surface of a much larger, more complex issue. In the end, he essentially tells anyone skeptical of his findings to simply take what resonates with them and discard the rest. Ultimately, what we have been presented with are nothing more than the results of his personal labor—his own subjective conclusions and individual analyses.Look, the point isn't that we need to sit here and second-guess his methods—that would be a waste of time. Rather, the focus should remain on the track record of his client base, which, by any reasonable measure, has been extensive.

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Larry Young192 Larry Young192 Newcomer
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#8 ·
I’ve finished reading the first two books by Michael Newton, and I have to say, they really struck a chord with me. They carry this positive energy and reveal things that many people—myself included, I'll admit—tend to believe right out of the gate. To me, everything he writes feels 100% logical; when you actually sit down and process his claims, there’s a massive probability that the experiences of the clients he worked with were entirely genuine. Newton suggests that a huge portion of this remains hidden because the souls who could actually explain the mechanics of the afterlife or the specific structure of the spiritual realm have evolved so far beyond our reach that they don't even bother reincarnating back to this world or even this planet anymore. Now, whether that’s just some trap set by a New Age movement or some other shady organization... well, I guess we'll just have to wait for the truth to come out in the future. Even if I was perhaps a bit naive to believe all of this initially, I’m fully prepared to be proven wrong and feel disillusioned, because one has to remain open to every possibility while staying skeptical of everything... as a direct countermeasure to blind faith in anything.
But enough about my personal take and what the rest of us here think. Works produced by people regarding the potential misuse of regression therapy by someone like Newton are, of course, more than welcome. I’m calling on anyone who has an interesting link that refutes Newton’s work to post it here, because frankly, we need it. I don't know about the rest of you, but as long as nobody presents me with hard, cold facts to convince me otherwise, I won't have any choice but to trust the lived experiences of Newton's clients. In reality, any evidence that contradicts Newton's research is a double-edged sword; it will either sow a seed of doubt in what I believe or simply reinforce my existing convictions. Honestly, so far, I haven't searched much online for counter-evidence, but I haven't found anything yet. So, gentlemen, if anyone actually has proof, please post a link so we can actually discuss the substance... because just trying to convince one another here using nothing but personal opinions and individual logic... I don't believe it's going to get us anywhere. Thanks.
bluemason3 bluemason3 Veteran
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#9 ·
The best proof is right in front of us: hypnosis is prone to errors, and even regression within this lifetime is notoriously unreliable. Our memories aren't objective; they’re subject to endless interpretations that warp them over time. If hypnotic regression isn't considered solid evidence for anything happening in our current lives—which we don't even bother questioning—how could it possibly serve as proof for past ones?
Paul Jones7 Paul Jones7 Active Member
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#10 ·
we're the evidence
boom-boom
don't go looking for proof
boom-boom
Larry Young192 Larry Young192 Newcomer
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#11 ·
Paul Jones7 said:we're the evidence
boom-boom
don't go looking for proof
boom-boom

😂
but honestly... I really expected more from you than this 🤷🙂
Paul Jones7 Paul Jones7 Active Member
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#12 ·
I guess you could say Michael Newton is more or less heading in the right direction, though—and this is the kicker—it’s not something that can ever be fully verified through a scientific lens. It’s that classic catch-22, really... you can't exactly prove it, but then again, you can't really debunk it either.

But honestly, a transcendent person isn't going to go looking for answers from science—especially when science doesn't have the answers yet—they're going to look toward transcendence itself.
Larry Young192 Larry Young192 Newcomer
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#13 ·
It’s honestly hard to wrap my head around how little anyone seems to care about the work Michael Newton has put in. It’s almost as if people assume he was just spinning nonsense or something equally baseless...🙂
ironharbor8 ironharbor8 Member
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#14 ·
Usually, when something sounds too good to be true, it actually is. It eventually turns out to be a lie.

For instance, in Michael Newton’s books, there is a heavy emphasis on free will—the idea that souls decide for themselves when and where to incarnate. But if you look closely at the descriptions, that supposed freedom starts to evaporate. In the end, it always boils down to being "forced by choice." There is more to unpack there, but I am not interested in wasting my time...
Dana Fox4 Dana Fox4 Newcomer
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#15 ·
It’s been a while since I checked in to see what everyone’s been up to... honestly, I’d love to see how those "scientifically proven" claims would actually work to hypnotize me. But, let’s be real—looking at everything they claim to do there, it feels more like reading a cheap thriller than anything else. I find it hard to believe anyone actually thinks their clients (if you can even call them that) are being subjected to such rigorous analysis. Maybe a few people are just blowing smoke, but the rest is clearly just pure imagination used to pad out the bill. 😍It’s straight-up horror fiction, not even high-concept Sci-Fi, because, let's face it, there isn't a shred of actual science involved. As long as the money keeps rolling in, who cares? As Korado Korlević would say, these types of scams are just a massive business opportunity😁!!
Timothy Price75 Timothy Price75 Newcomer
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#16 ·
I just finished reading the first book of the soul journey in one sitting. It’s a light, engaging read. While it gave me some things to think about, I actually ended up with more questions than answers. I felt like certain topics were being glossed over. For instance, he doesn't mention whether traveling to the past is possible, given how warped time can be. Plus, in my own life, I've encountered some incredibly negative entities that didn't exactly look like loving, positive souls. Who are they really? Anyway, I'm not here to get sidetracked by that.
The book itself claims that Newton represents New Age theories. I'll include a quote from another article that managed to offend the New Age crowd—because, let's face it, how does anyone's ego handle the idea that everything they've built or worked toward might suddenly be proven wrong?
The dark side is designed to be utterly repulsive, so most “good souls” will flee to the opposite pole—either straight into the "loving" embrace of a patriarchal false-light religion, or into their version of a New Age religion filled with legions of channels and “masters.”
Furthermore,
"Every modern channeled message can be summarized in a few lines: 'Dearest ones, you are the favorites of all of us in the spiritual false-hierarchy. We long to reunite with you, for we are your long-lost family. Stay strong and hold onto your light, for we will soon announce our presence. Just wait a little longer (and suffer) in the hope that we will save you from this situation.'"
Is there actually any difference between that summary of channeled messages and almost every single conclusion drawn from Newton's sessions?

I'm not saying you shouldn't have hope for something greater than life itself; quite the opposite, that's why I'm writing this. But please, question everything. Newton clearly has knowledge, but he seems to be using it for other purposes. I still find the book interesting, but his "discoveries" just don't ring true to me. This is just my take, and I'm certainly not trying to offend anyone or push an agenda.

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