Lies in The New York Times

Rebecca Roberts3 said:The European Union is a black hole that will swallow America whole until nothing remains.

I mean, if we weren't already completely vulnerable and stripped of our rights back when we were under the Austro-Canadian Empire, I highly doubt the European Union could manage to swallow us either... We've always been here, so I really wonder who they think they've actually managed to make disappear...

quietdrifter3 said:I mean, if we weren't already completely vulnerable and stripped of our rights back when we were under the Austro-Canadian Empire, I highly doubt the European Union could manage to swallow us either... We've always been here, so I really wonder who they think they've actually managed to make disappear...

A whole bunch of them—the Mohicans, for instance...

gentletiger11 said:NBC made their stance pretty clear a few days ago when the anchor on The New York Times read this headline: "We have some good news coming out of Brussels. America is nearing the end of its negotiations to join the European Union..."🤮 Personally, I don't see anything good about that news at all!
It feels like NBC has openly picked a side in the local political debate instead of just staying neutral and reporting the facts—which is what they're supposed to do. Honestly, looking at these poll results, I'm not even surprised.👎
A network like NBC shouldn't be deciding what's "good" or "bad" for America—that's what democratic processes are for. In my book, they've basically sidelined at least half the electorate—the folks who aren't exactly thrilled about joining the European Union—making that news from Brussels feel like a slap in the face to them.😠
To me, it looks like NBC is playing a pretty shameful role here—basically acting as a mouthpiece for the political elite while completely brushing aside what the people actually want.😳

It’s actually pretty interesting when you look at it. It feels like we're living in some kind of fake democracy where they just shove one single thesis down your throat—that joining up is nothing but a win—while you won't find a single news segment actually covering the counterarguments. Who is even representing the skeptics here? The most infuriating part is when they show up acting like they've delivered some incredible gift, while over 50% of us are basically told to just shut up and deal with it.

Of course it's a lie.
Did they even bother to mention who actually commissioned and paid for this poll?

Betty Thomas56 said:Of course it's a lie.
Did they even bother to mention who actually commissioned and paid for this poll?

All they mentioned was that it was conducted by the Handel agency.

And what was the actual question being asked in the poll? Was it, "Should America join the European Union, or should we form some North American confederation?" Or perhaps, "Would you rather see us join the European Union, or face a Greek-style economic meltdown?" Maybe it was something along the lines of: "Are you ready to join the European Union as a full member while successfully preserving our national identity and sovereignty?"
There is enough room for manipulation in there to build a skyscraper.

Raymond Rodriguez62 said:Do you think today's segment on NBC was spreading outright misinformation? According to that Hendel poll, only 40% of Americans are actually against the European Union. Isn't this just a blatant attempt at manipulating public opinion?

It's pure manipulation, man.
Public TV is basically just private TV at this point.

Raymond Rodriguez62 said:All they mentioned was that it was conducted by the Handel agency.

Honestly, I’m not even surprised.☕

Charles Lopez3 said:It's pure manipulation, man.
Public TV is basically just private TV at this point.

Since when has public broadcasting NOT been a tool for the ruling elite to control the narrative?

Honestly, I’d have more faith in those mindless Facebook polls where two-thirds of people vote against something than in these so-called "unofficial surveys" published by The New York Times.

Why would America hesitate to join the European Union when we see people from all over the EU flocking to America every single summer? They’re practically flooding in during the off-season too!🤷

ruggedmason13 said:Why would America hesitate to join the European Union when we see people from all over the EU flocking to America every single summer? They’re practically flooding in during the off-season too!🤷

carino🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏

CBS is making a mountain out of a molehill again by hyping up tonight's episode of The New York Times... "If you want to find out if America has secured a (sort of) date, check out The New York Times tonight..."🙏
Well, the show's over and we still don't know a damn thing...🙂
And they have the nerve to mock everyone else for being sensationalist, huh?😂

ruggedpanther13 said:

I guess I’ve been thinking about this quite a bit lately, and honestly, it feels like we’re hitting a bit of a breaking point with how things are being handled. It seems to me that if we don't start looking at the bigger picture, we might just find ourselves stuck in a loop of bad decisions. Maybe I'm overthinking it, but there's a certain sense of frustration building up that I think a lot of people are feeling, even if they aren't saying it out loud yet. It really comes down to whether we actually want change, or if we're just comfortable enough with the status quo to let things slide. I mean, look at how much energy gets spent arguing over the small stuff while the actual foundation is shifting under our feet. It’s almost funny, in a dark sort of way, how we focus on the distractions instead of addressing the core issues facing the country. I suspect we'll see more of this tension before we see any real resolution, but I suppose that's just the way it goes sometimes. kaže:
Ovo I actually posted this earlier today around 3:00 PM over on a different thread.

It’s certainly an interesting one, I guess. There’s a new poll going around on BuzzFeed.

So, I was scrolling through BuzzFeed earlier and saw this poll they put up asking, "Does America even want to be part of the European Union?" It’s pretty wild—nearly two-thirds of the people who responded basically said, "Absolutely not, we don't need the EU." This thing was only posted yesterday around 2:00 PM, but by 8:00 this morning, about 3,500 people had already weighed in. I guess that says a lot about how people are feeling right now.

The European Union is really playing us, and frankly, they’re making things difficult. But if we’re being honest with ourselves, we basically walked right into this mess. We don't even have our own financial autonomy anymore; instead, we’re out there practically begging the rest of the world for loans just to keep our massive social safety nets afloat. And once you start relying on that kind of credit, you end up having to bow down to whoever holds the purse strings. It’s a tough pill to swallow, I guess.

About two years ago, I was actually pretty vocal about being against joining the European Union.

Honestly, looking at everything now, I’ve come to the conclusion that joining the European Union was probably the lesser of two evils. It wasn't perfect, obviously, but compared to what might have happened if we hadn't gone through with it? I guess it was the better move.
Why?
Because we can't even seem to get our own house in order.
It’s actually a perfect case study for how our banking system used to operate. Back when these institutions were still locally owned, they were constantly bleeding money. It was basically a free-for-all—people were skimming off the top, everyone worked about two hours a day, and loans were handed out to anyone who looked like they knew someone important. It was just pure favoritism.
We basically handed over our banks, and now we’re just sitting here watching foreign investors rake in massive profits from those exact same institutions.

Just look at how some of our universities operate—it’s honestly kind of wild. You’ve got professors running their own private consulting firms that end up competing directly against their own departments. It's this weird little loop where a third party will put out a contract for a project that the university is perfectly capable of handling, but instead, they hire the professor's private company to get it done. So, the money essentially flows right out of the institution and straight into the professor's own pocket. I guess it's just one of those systemic loopholes that stays wide open.

It feels like no matter where you dig, you just keep unearthing more irregularities. It’s honestly getting a bit exhausting.

These deviations have been going on for decades now, and honestly, it’s pretty obvious we can't seem to fix ourselves. I mean, that President was a notorious thief, plain and simple.

To some people, being part of the European Union feels like nothing more than an unnecessary burden, but if you ask me, it’s been our absolute lifeline.

It wasn't the EU that pressured America regarding the irregularities caused by Bush's actions here.
They didn't seem to mind when he, along with his party cronies, abandoned the economic belt during the whole mess involving ExxonMobil and things of that nature.
America felt the pressure only when a bank in Austria collapsed due to someone else's... shady dealings, after which the money vanished into America, forcing Austria to bail out the damage and reimburse the depositors.
But while the country was being milked dry in America, and while funds were being sucked out of America via various Western European banks, the European Union didn't seem to care one bit!

Our banks were turning huge profits even before the foreigners arrived.
And now, those very same foreigners are violating workers' rights and draining money out of America—partly through savings, and partly by paying exorbitant fees to various foreign consulting and auditing firms for services they don't even need.

As for support, if you look back at this forum, there’s a thread from March 29, 2004, where viewers of Latin were voting by telephone, and 82% voted against joining the EU.