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Setting up a non-resident business account

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Jerry Williams41 Jerry Williams41 MemberOP
39 messages
joined Oct 2012
#1 ·
Since my accounting department seems completely clueless, I’m checking here to see if any bankers are lurking who might actually have an answer. So, here it is:

It honestly feels like I’ve hit a brick wall trying to get clear information. I’ve been calling the IRS—well, the equivalent tax authorities—and they charge me almost $2.25 just to sit on hold while the line stays busy, my accountant is stumped, and some lady at the bank hasn't gotten back to me after seven days despite promising she’d check every single time I call... plus, other banks don't seem to know the first thing about accounting regulations.

Look, I am more than willing to pay for actual, useful information from anyone who can help me out.

Here is the situation. I’ve signed a representation agreement in the States for a German company. Most of our sales happen online. Payments come in via credit card, PayPal, or bank transfer. Since direct wire transfers to Germany are prohibitively expensive, the goal is to open a US-based account where customers can pay directly in dollars, and then once a month, I’ll just forward the total to the manufacturer and pay myself my commission. The goods would be shipped by mail straight from Germany, and the customer would receive an invoice in dollars sent directly from the manufacturer/seller.

The Germans don't really care what kind of US account we use; they are fine with me collecting payments on their behalf ("in trust") using my own account (I have an LLC, so any business account should work) and marking those incoming funds as "transfers." That logic holds up for them, but I have no idea how it works under American regulations. The closest solution I’ve stumbled upon is a non-resident account, which is the one that lady at the bank is taking an eternity to investigate. So, the question is, does using a non-resident account satisfy the requirements for the payment structure I described above?

Does anyone have any advice? Feel free to DM me. Like I said, I'm not looking for hand-outs; I am happy to pay for a real solution.
vividranger8 vividranger8 Active Member
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joined Aug 2011
#2 ·
Jerry Williams41 said:Since my accounting department seems completely clueless, I’m checking here to see if any bankers are lurking who might actually have an answer. So, here it is:

It honestly feels like I’ve hit a brick wall trying to get clear information. I’ve been calling the IRS—well, the equivalent tax authorities—and they charge me almost $2.25 just to sit on hold while the line stays busy, my accountant is stumped, and some lady at the bank hasn't gotten back to me after seven days despite promising she’d check every single time I call... plus, other banks don't seem to know the first thing about accounting regulations.

Look, I am more than willing to pay for actual, useful information from anyone who can help me out.

Here is the situation. I’ve signed a representation agreement in the States for a German company. Most of our sales happen online. Payments come in via credit card, PayPal, or bank transfer. Since direct wire transfers to Germany are prohibitively expensive, the goal is to open a US-based account where customers can pay directly in dollars, and then once a month, I’ll just forward the total to the manufacturer and pay myself my commission. The goods would be shipped by mail straight from Germany, and the customer would receive an invoice in dollars sent directly from the manufacturer/seller.

The Germans don't really care what kind of US account we use; they are fine with me collecting payments on their behalf ("in trust") using my own account (I have an LLC, so any business account should work) and marking those incoming funds as "transfers." That logic holds up for them, but I have no idea how it works under American regulations. The closest solution I’ve stumbled upon is a non-resident account, which is the one that lady at the bank is taking an eternity to investigate. So, the question is, does using a non-resident account satisfy the requirements for the payment structure I described above?

Does anyone have any advice? Feel free to DM me. Like I said, I'm not looking for hand-outs; I am happy to pay for a real solution.

Honestly, though, transferring money into a non-resident account is just as pricey... I think one bank even tried to hit me up with $50!
Jerry Williams41 Jerry Williams41 MemberOP
39 messages
joined Oct 2012
#3 ·
I don’t know, looking at the fee schedule from Chase, I’m not really seeing it that way, especially since things like "Cash deposits to a checking account" and "Incoming transfers from other US banks via domestic wire or ACH (ordered by a local entity or individual)" seem to be free of charge:

http://www.chase.com/home/wps/wcm/conn...3ef76d6e029014
George Barrett35 George Barrett35 Active Member
98 messages
joined Aug 2009
#4 ·
These would essentially be the processing fees for handling transfers or deposits, which basically means they're charged to the account holder.

Actually, any deposits made into non-resident accounts are handled via wire transfer protocols and are treated almost identically to international transfers, so depending on which bank you're using, the fees are pretty much the same.
Ronald Allen Ronald Allen Active Member
160 messages
joined Oct 2010
#5 ·
Jerry Williams41 said:Since my accounting department seems completely clueless, I’m checking here to see if any bankers are lurking who might actually have an answer. So, here it is:

It honestly feels like I’ve hit a brick wall trying to get clear information. I’ve been calling the IRS—well, the equivalent tax authorities—and they charge me almost $2.25 just to sit on hold while the line stays busy, my accountant is stumped, and some lady at the bank hasn't gotten back to me after seven days despite promising she’d check every single time I call... plus, other banks don't seem to know the first thing about accounting regulations.

Look, I am more than willing to pay for actual, useful information from anyone who can help me out.

Here is the situation. I’ve signed a representation agreement in the States for a German company. Most of our sales happen online. Payments come in via credit card, PayPal, or bank transfer. Since direct wire transfers to Germany are prohibitively expensive, the goal is to open a US-based account where customers can pay directly in dollars, and then once a month, I’ll just forward the total to the manufacturer and pay myself my commission. The goods would be shipped by mail straight from Germany, and the customer would receive an invoice in dollars sent directly from the manufacturer/seller.

The Germans don't really care what kind of US account we use; they are fine with me collecting payments on their behalf ("in trust") using my own account (I have an LLC, so any business account should work) and marking those incoming funds as "transfers." That logic holds up for them, but I have no idea how it works under American regulations. The closest solution I’ve stumbled upon is a non-resident account, which is the one that lady at the bank is taking an eternity to investigate. So, the question is, does using a non-resident account satisfy the requirements for the payment structure I described above?

Does anyone have any advice? Feel free to DM me. Like I said, I'm not looking for hand-outs; I am happy to pay for a real solution.

As a local, you can't really open a non-resident account—the Germans would have to come here themselves. I mean, maybe you could, but the paperwork is a nightmare and the upfront costs for all that are a total money pit. If you already have an LLC, that's a good starting point. Basically, the Germans come over and open a non-resident account at a bank. They can choose to make you the authorized person for transactions on that account, or they might not. You could collect the customers' money into your LLC account "in trust" and then, once a week or once a month, make a loan transfer to their non-resident account. The fees aren't even that bad, at least not where I work. Along with the non-resident account, the Germans can set up online banking, letting funds accumulate there, and then maybe once a month, send a wire from that account to their account in Germany. Or they could just do it once a year, depending on whether the fees satisfy them as business people.
Jerry Williams41 Jerry Williams41 MemberOP
39 messages
joined Oct 2012
#6 ·
Thanks, Ronald Allen!

I find this whole concept of pooling funds into a business account pretty intriguing, because if there’s actually a legitimate way to pull that off, I might not even need to bother with a non-resident account after all...
Jerry Williams41 Jerry Williams41 MemberOP
39 messages
joined Oct 2012
#7 ·
George Barrett35 said:These would essentially be the processing fees for handling transfers or deposits, which basically means they're charged to the account holder.

Actually, any deposits made into non-resident accounts are handled via wire transfer protocols and are treated almost identically to international transfers, so depending on which bank you're using, the fees are pretty much the same.

So, I was talking to that lady over at Chase, and she told me straight up that the fees are on the payer. $3.25Then again, you're still going to need an American tax ID if you're looking to set up a foreign entity.

I have a feeling we’ll be joining the EU long before we actually get that account opened.
Andrew Barrett4 Andrew Barrett4 Active Member
163 messages
joined Jan 2018
#8 ·
Jerry Williams41 said:So, I was talking to that lady over at Chase, and she told me straight up that the fees are on the payer. $3.25Then again, you're still going to need an American tax ID if you're looking to set up a foreign entity.

I have a feeling we’ll be joining the EU long before we actually get that account opened.

not necessarily, though I suspect even the USA is a bit of a bureaucratic mess (but then again, if our local officials get their hands on it, they'll probably find a way to overcomplicate it into oblivion ☕)
you can usually grab a tax ID like that in ten minutes if you're looking in the right places
might be worth checking; maybe it isn't such a headache
they likely just need it to track where the tax liabilities or exemptions are coming from

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