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Fines for picking dandelions—the latest ridiculous news story

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Participants Samuel Garcia6Nathan Bailey65rustywalker42Robert Hall7Nicole Morales3darkfox14restlesscrane152Adam Collins4urbanottergranitescout32ironbison13Tyler Bishop56Charles Lopez3Daniel Bailey39goldengull3Kate James11Noah Cruz75Zachary Collins2vividbison9hollowowl6frozendriver13nimblemarlin6Carol Diazbriskeagle3 …
goldengull3 goldengull3 Regular
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#41 ·
Kate James11 said:It seems perfectly normal to some primitive idiots to kill every snake they encounter while hiking through the woods, simply because they view them as venomous pests.
A rattlesnake will just sit there peacefully soaking up the sun on a rock without bothering anyone, but some moron feels the need to strike it with a stick—and then, once the snake defends itself, the headlines scream about a "rattlesnake attacking a human."
It’s just like that senseless incident a few years back where some idiot kicked a rattlesnake, causing it to fly right into a baby carriage and kill the infant.

It stands in stark contrast to what I’ve witnessed with certain European tourists; I remember seeing a group at Yellowstone spot a snake near the edge of the path, and instead of reacting violently, they simply cordoned off the area with a few rocks and posted a warning so others would give it a wide berth.

The question remains: is this level of restraint an innate cultural trait, or did someone once pay a hefty fine for killing a snake without cause, eventually turning respect for wildlife into a societal standard? My money is on the latter.
rustywalker42 rustywalker42 Active Member
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#42 ·
Adam Collins4 said:Back to the insults again... seriously, you can do better than that.

I’m telling you for the last time—that plant isn't an endemic species.

An endemic species is something found specifically within one country, maybe popping up occasionally in neighboring states...

It isn't something that grows all over Europe.


So, now that we've actually taught you what "endemic" means, we can move on...

Even if it's written in some elementary school textbook—as if that's somehow gospel truth...

First, you missed the mark on American geography during that other topic, and now you're failing at endemic species... you really should know the basics about your own country.

Take a local wildflower from the Rockies, for example—that's an endemic species because it doesn't grow all over Europe like this one does.

And since you love citing middle school curriculum so much, let me debunk you with some actual links from school websites...

http://www.elementaryschool-example.edu/science=1049#mod_news

Where it clearly explains how to identify if a plant is endemic...

Just take a look at the number of subspecies listed for that common weed...

Bottom line: it’s not an endemic species, and you really need to learn the terminology you're tossing around so carelessly.

To be precise, the Rocky Mountains' degeneria is a stenoendem. It grows on the Rocky Mountains and absolutely nowhere else on Earth.[/b]
Carol Diaz Carol Diaz Member
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#43 ·
Trying to prevent grass, snakes, or any other critters from going extinct is fundamentally pointless—at best, you’re just delaying an inevitable biological reality, and at worst, it’s sheer idiocy. If a wolf wanders onto my property, disrupts my land, and practically begs for a bullet, I am more than happy to oblige him.

(It’s a recurring theme throughout history: this persistent tendency among the urban "upper class" to push legislation protecting things like forests, streams, or wolves in some rural backwater they’d only ever visit as tourists—heaven forbid they actually tried to live out there...)

It’s quite similar to how those local neighborhood matriarchal cliques control the farmers' markets.😁
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-3mbEzM_0AA
briskeagle3 briskeagle3 Active Member
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#44 ·
Ever hear about what happened to this one employee? Her boss calls her up to break the news that she’s not getting her sixth paycheck—but, hey, to take the edge off, he offers her a rare wildflower as a consolation prize. It was pure chaos—she just snapped—and she ended up swallowing her pride and accepting the flower instead of the money.

She mentions the whole thing to a coworker who’s in the exact same boat regarding the missing pay, though this colleague didn't get a flower. Instead of being happy for her, she gets hit with a wave of envy and ends up calling the Department of Homeland Security’s specialized botanical protection unit.

Out of nowhere, a helicopter descends, and agents from the ATP swoop down on ropes to arrest the boss. Long story short: the boss got slapped with a fine and three months of probation.

The takeaway for future managers? If you have to deliver bad news about missed paychecks, don't try to "sweeten the deal" by offering protected plant life as a bribe.
restlesscrane152 restlesscrane152 Active Member
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#45 ·
Robert Hall7 said:Good grief, who on earth is mowing large fields this time of year? Seriously, step outside. Walk through a meadow. Mowers and scythes are still tucked away in the garage. Besides, those wildflowers are already past their peak bloom. There isn't even any mowing happening. What are you talking about?

You're totally right. Mowing was the first thing that crossed my mind, but honestly, there's nothing to cut right now.

Still, it's weird to me how people say spring ephemerals are protected when they're literally everywhere you look. 🤷
Charles Lopez3 Charles Lopez3 Active Member
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#46 ·
Noah Cruz75 said:Human stupidity really is infinite. What’s the sentence for destroying a person?


goldengull3? 😁
goldengull3 goldengull3 Regular
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joined Nov 2007
#47 ·
restlesscrane152 said:You're totally right. Mowing was the first thing that crossed my mind, but honestly, there's nothing to cut right now.

Still, it's weird to me how people say spring ephemerals are protected when they're literally everywhere you look. 🤷

The protection exists so people can actually enjoy the scenery, the scent, and the atmosphere during a hike; it ensures children learn that flowers belong in the wild rather than just sitting in a florist shop. It also guarantees that once the bees emerge, they actually have work to do, and prevents the species from being wiped out by over-picking.

Besides, these blooms are incredibly delicate. Once plucked, they wither almost instantly, making them commercially useless as cut flowers anyway.
goldengull3 goldengull3 Regular
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#48 ·
Charles Lopez3 said:goldengull3? 😁

Not even close to forty.
Jacob Allen Jacob Allen Member
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#49 ·
goldengull3 said:Not even close to forty.

But what about the government? Or honestly... what about society as a whole? 🍿

😁
Andrew Mendoza10 Andrew Mendoza10 Active Member
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#50 ·
goldengull3 Asks:
I’m fully in favor of this—the government really ought to step up its oversight. Protected plant species that grow wild should exist for one reason only: to be looked at and smelled while you're out hiking through a forest or a meadow. Is that too much to ask?

A few minor penalties should be enough to put their sales back in line.
It only happens when the big players start getting caught for actual crimes—that’s when the reality sets in. This is how it works: our dear government and the police spend all their energy practicing the law on the poor and the little guys. Is anyone actually surprised?
Tyler Bishop56 Tyler Bishop56 Member
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joined Dec 2007
#51 ·
restlesscrane152 said:Everything has the potential to be protected by law. If I went around culling cats right now, they'd suddenly have "the potential" to become rare. Personally, I don't see the point in protecting something just because it might become scarce, especially since every time someone mows their lawn, half the spring wildflowers get wiped out along with the weeds.

What's next—should we tell landscapers to stop mowing and start transplanting lilacs?

Nah, that’s just collateral damage; you find that in every war. That’s what war is. And honestly, anyone mowing this late in the season is hitting those lilacs by accident because the grass is still too short. It’s basically mowing with zero foresight.

goldengull3 said:It stands in stark contrast to what I’ve witnessed with certain European tourists; I remember seeing a group at Yellowstone spot a snake near the edge of the path, and instead of reacting violently, they simply cordoned off the area with a few rocks and posted a warning so others would give it a wide berth.

The question remains: is this level of restraint an innate cultural trait, or did someone once pay a hefty fine for killing a snake without cause, eventually turning respect for wildlife into a societal standard? My money is on the latter.

I don't think culture has anything to do with money or fines. The Scandinavians didn't even have penalties for illegal construction, and things stayed fine until their neighbors moved in and messed things up.

Meanwhile, over here, plenty of people still smoke those cheap cigarettes even though they're risking three years in prison.

It’s all about how you were raised.

Carol Diaz said:Trying to prevent grass, snakes, or any other critters from going extinct is fundamentally pointless—at best, you’re just delaying an inevitable biological reality, and at worst, it’s sheer idiocy. If a wolf wanders onto my property, disrupts my land, and practically begs for a bullet, I am more than happy to oblige him.

(It’s a recurring theme throughout history: this persistent tendency among the urban "upper class" to push legislation protecting things like forests, streams, or wolves in some rural backwater they’d only ever visit as tourists—heaven forbid they actually tried to live out there...)

It’s quite similar to how those local neighborhood matriarchal cliques control the farmers' markets.😁
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-3mbEzM_0AA

You can kiss that idea goodbye. Actually, even that would probably count as animal cruelty, so you couldn't even do that.

Remember, you've been here for centuries, while the wolf showed up maybe a week ago. That land is at least partially his, if not entirely.

Noah Cruz75 said:Human stupidity really is infinite. What’s the sentence for destroying a person?

The reign of knez Trpimir, if I recall correctly. 🤔

Jacob Allen said:But what about the government? Or honestly... what about society as a whole? 🍿

😁

The Presidential Inauguration.

Andrew Mendoza10 said:It only happens when the big players actually start getting punished for massive crimes. Otherwise, this is just how it works—our dear government and the police only ever practice the law on the poor and the little guys.

They aren't stupid enough to practice on themselves. I mean, do you report yourself to your boss when you're busy wasting work hours scrolling through forums?
Andrew Mendoza10 Andrew Mendoza10 Active Member
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#52 ·
Tyler Bishop56 said:Nah, that’s just collateral damage; you find that in every war. That’s what war is. And honestly, anyone mowing this late in the season is hitting those lilacs by accident because the grass is still too short. It’s basically mowing with zero foresight.

I don't think culture has anything to do with money or fines. The Scandinavians didn't even have penalties for illegal construction, and things stayed fine until their neighbors moved in and messed things up.

Meanwhile, over here, plenty of people still smoke those cheap cigarettes even though they're risking three years in prison.

It’s all about how you were raised.

You can kiss that idea goodbye. Actually, even that would probably count as animal cruelty, so you couldn't even do that.

Remember, you've been here for centuries, while the wolf showed up maybe a week ago. That land is at least partially his, if not entirely.

The reign of knez Trpimir, if I recall correctly. 🤔

The Presidential Inauguration.

They aren't stupid enough to practice on themselves. I mean, do you report yourself to your boss when you're busy wasting work hours scrolling through forums?

I'm home right now since I've got a second job lined up. Otherwise, I'm working in a warehouse where I have access to a computer, but zero internet—though at least we get music while we work, unlike the crew in the next bay over who don't even have that.
Tyler Bishop56 Tyler Bishop56 Member
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#53 ·
Andrew Mendoza10 said:I'm home right now since I've got a second job lined up. Otherwise, I'm working in a warehouse where I have access to a computer, but zero internet—though at least we get music while we work, unlike the crew in the next bay over who don't even have that.

Look, when I said that, I meant it figuratively. Just a figure of speech.

Anyway, back in the day, when I was a kid, I used to pick wild berries for my mom. She told me I wasn't allowed to do that. So I told her, "Mom, by doing this, I am rebelling against this whole oppressive system!" And she just patted me on the head and put the berries in a bowl.

Fast forward to today in America, and apparently if you pick wild berries, you're basically a political radical.
Adam Collins4 Adam Collins4 Regular
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#54 ·
rustywalker42 said:To be precise, the Rocky Mountains' degeneria is a stenoendem. It grows on the Rocky Mountains and absolutely nowhere else on Earth.[/b]

A subendem is basically something that's dominant in neighboring states, but you can still find "traces" of it scattered across America...
bluecobra27 bluecobra27 Active Member
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#55 ·
If picking on the weak is a crime, then I guess I’m a criminal.
briskeagle3 briskeagle3 Active Member
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#56 ·
Even if dinosaurs had been a protected species, it probably wouldn't have mattered—if evolution decides a species needs to go, there isn't some cosmic force that can step in and stop it. That whole cycle is exactly why we have such incredible biological diversity, yet then you have humans stepping in, acting like some kind of fake moral authority and coming up with absolute nonsense.

Who’s actually guaranteeing that in, say, a thousand years, humans won't be gone and replaced by some bunch of shallow socialites?🤣
rustywalker42 rustywalker42 Active Member
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#57 ·
Adam Collins4 said:A subendem is basically something that's dominant in neighboring states, but you can still find "traces" of it scattered across America...

The borders don't matter. What you wrote above is really just an American classification used to better pinpoint our local sub-endemics. Take the Pitch Pine ( Pinus heldreichii ), for instance—that’s a textbook sub-endemic. You'll find it all over the US, but nowhere else on the planet. Look, we get it, I just wanted to point out that this whole endemic thing is about habitat range, not political lines on a map (which only exist for politicians).
Robert Hall7 Robert Hall7 Active Member
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joined Jan 2009
#58 ·
restlesscrane152 said:You're totally right. Mowing was the first thing that crossed my mind, but honestly, there's nothing to cut right now.

Still, it's weird to me how people say spring ephemerals are protected when they're literally everywhere you look. 🤷

Clearly, you aren't spending much time out in the wild. Thirty years ago, trilliums were everywhere; every single bush on my property had a white, fragrant shroud. Those were the trilliums. Now, I walk past those same bushes and see nothing—not a trace, not a scent. They’re just gone. And mind you, nobody mows or maintains that section; it sits right on the edge of a nature preserve that the locals guard like it's holy ground. I saw their reaction when a willow fell onto my fence. Fifteen cars showed up—police, park rangers, God knows who else. I demanded they respect the laws of Rhode Island and prune the trees threatening my property. What did I get? Nothing. Just a letter stating that no trees can be cut down in the preserve. If something falls, clear it away, leave it by the boundary so people can see it, and end of story. Apparently, this is a "unique ecosystem" along the Mississippi River, one of a kind in the country. That's what they tell you. The forest is basically just willows, locusts, poplars, some birch, and a mess of weeds, but they protect it fiercely. You can't go picking blackberries; heaven forbid you touch anything.

There used to be all kinds of wildflowers here. Today, there's very little—especially the spring ephemerals, if anything at all. We destroy and strip everything, drain the wetlands, persecute endangered species. We're performing miracles of destruction. My neighbors were shocked a few years back when I called the police, the environmentalists, and everyone else I could think of because someone "smart" decided to kill a swan. There aren't even swans in the nearby marsh anymore. What are we going to show our grandkids tomorrow if we wipe everything out, kill it all off?

You can all laugh at me if you want, but take a moment to actually think about it. If the ladies at the farmer's market want to sell something, they should plant it in their own gardens or pots and sell it from there. A pansy might go for a couple of bucks. A primrose for $1.75. But that requires planting, nurturing, working. It's easier to just head into the woods, rip up trilliums by the bulb—which we'll just toss afterward since we don't need them—and head to the market to sell them. If you think that's okay, more power to you.
Adam Collins4 Adam Collins4 Regular
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joined Apr 2013
#59 ·
Robert Hall7 said:Clearly, you aren't spending much time out in the wild. Thirty years ago, trilliums were everywhere; every single bush on my property had a white, fragrant shroud. Those were the trilliums. Now, I walk past those same bushes and see nothing—not a trace, not a scent. They’re just gone. And mind you, nobody mows or maintains that section; it sits right on the edge of a nature preserve that the locals guard like it's holy ground. I saw their reaction when a willow fell onto my fence. Fifteen cars showed up—police, park rangers, God knows who else. I demanded they respect the laws of Rhode Island and prune the trees threatening my property. What did I get? Nothing. Just a letter stating that no trees can be cut down in the preserve. If something falls, clear it away, leave it by the boundary so people can see it, and end of story. Apparently, this is a "unique ecosystem" along the Mississippi River, one of a kind in the country. That's what they tell you. The forest is basically just willows, locusts, poplars, some birch, and a mess of weeds, but they protect it fiercely. You can't go picking blackberries; heaven forbid you touch anything.

There used to be all kinds of wildflowers here. Today, there's very little—especially the spring ephemerals, if anything at all. We destroy and strip everything, drain the wetlands, persecute endangered species. We're performing miracles of destruction. My neighbors were shocked a few years back when I called the police, the environmentalists, and everyone else I could think of because someone "smart" decided to kill a swan. There aren't even swans in the nearby marsh anymore. What are we going to show our grandkids tomorrow if we wipe everything out, kill it all off?

You can all laugh at me if you want, but take a moment to actually think about it. If the ladies at the farmer's market want to sell something, they should plant it in their own gardens or pots and sell it from there. A pansy might go for a couple of bucks. A primrose for $1.75. But that requires planting, nurturing, working. It's easier to just head into the woods, rip up trilliums by the bulb—which we'll just toss afterward since we don't need them—and head to the market to sell them. If you think that's okay, more power to you.

Well, it is fine, especially since you have an MK permit to sell...

The problem is that people jump into these discussions without knowing the first thing about it, so they end up talking absolute nonsense, if you'll excuse me...
Austin Barrett5 Austin Barrett5 Member
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#60 ·
Samuel Garcia6 said:Just saw it on the news. Fines up to 200 $0.00. What else is new? Just another way to kick the poor man when he's down.

But hey, if there's nothing left to pick, I guess we'll just make do with some cheap jelly.

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