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The psychology of convex vs. concave shapes

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silentnomad23 silentnomad23 Active MemberOP
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#81 ·
Lawrence Bailey77 said:To simplify things and get back to the core issue—if I may be so bold—I would say that your line of reasoning and the questions you’re posing are essentially the foundation here. If I'm mistaken, then blame me. 😁

I suppose I have already asked you... but why do you assume it is easier? I understand the practical aspects and the psychological mindset, but perhaps, driven by some irrational desire for certain ideals, I feel a need... or maybe I just reduce all of this to something natural, which ultimately means it can only be measured through experience. Hmmm... honestly, I am not even sure where I stand right now.🙄

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I cannot truly see myself as the opposite sex, but I can certainly imagine it. 😁 In fact, that act of imagining is probably the most interesting part of this whole business.👍

And I might also ask the chauvinists and feminists to keep going, provided it isn't asking too much of them.😁

Yes, that is precisely the point, but it seems no one has addressed it yet. The whole thing started because there is this inherent sense of discomfort when you 'allow' someone inside you, which made me wonder how that translates to the male perspective. Simply put, I imagined having a penis, and my impression is that it wouldn't feel awkward at all to move around and just exist with that physical presence. I'm not sure how to rationalize it, but that sensation stemmed directly from the feeling of possessing that specific anatomy.
Now, considering how a man might imagine having a vagina—perhaps by simply envisioning an additional opening on the body😳 that both sexes possess—and wondering about the discomfort involved in letting someone in. I'm not entirely sure how to explain this more clearly. 😳
rowdywolf1 rowdywolf1 Newcomer
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#82 ·
Lawrence Bailey77 said:To simplify things and get back to the core issue—if I may be so bold—I would say that your line of reasoning and the questions you’re posing are essentially the foundation here. If I'm mistaken, then blame me. 😁

I suppose I have already asked you... but why do you assume it is easier? I understand the practical aspects and the psychological mindset, but perhaps, driven by some irrational desire for certain ideals, I feel a need... or maybe I just reduce all of this to something natural, which ultimately means it can only be measured through experience. Hmmm... honestly, I am not even sure where I stand right now.🙄

...........................

I cannot truly see myself as the opposite sex, but I can certainly imagine it. 😁 In fact, that act of imagining is probably the most interesting part of this whole business.👍

And I might also ask the chauvinists and feminists to keep going, provided it isn't asking too much of them.😁

Oblina is operating on a level far beyond logic. Since I'm clearly the unwanted chauvinist in this thread, I'll just head out and go satisfy your craving for drugs instead. It's not a huge ask on my part.
silentnomad23, just so we're clear, men don't have any trouble at all imagining what it's like when someone enters their space. A hole is a hole. You just shift your consciousness into your own hand, much like you'd shift it into a vibrator, and you feel the concave versus the convex. 🤣
Best regards from the chauvinist!

🙏
silentnomad23 silentnomad23 Active MemberOP
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#83 ·
Look, rowdywolf1, it’s pretty clear you didn't give the thread a thorough read. You actually ended up agreeing with my point, but you were clearly just looking for an argument, so you went searching for something to nitpick.🤣 When everyone else decided it wasn't worth the energy to explain the context here, you took offense and stormed off the thread—which, let's be honest, felt a bit passive-aggressive. Maybe take a breather and come back once you aren't looking for a fight.
Lawrence Bailey77 Lawrence Bailey77 Regular
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#84 ·
silentnomad23 said:Yes, that is precisely the point, but it seems no one has addressed it yet. The whole thing started because there is this inherent sense of discomfort when you 'allow' someone inside you, which made me wonder how that translates to the male perspective. Simply put, I imagined having a penis, and my impression is that it wouldn't feel awkward at all to move around and just exist with that physical presence. I'm not sure how to rationalize it, but that sensation stemmed directly from the feeling of possessing that specific anatomy.
Now, considering how a man might imagine having a vagina—perhaps by simply envisioning an additional opening on the body😳 that both sexes possess—and wondering about the discomfort involved in letting someone in. I'm not entirely sure how to explain this more clearly. 😳

And tell me... why on earth would you think there's any significant difference?

Do you honestly believe that some people don't find it just as difficult to "give" themselves entirely as others do to let someone inside their emotional defenses?

From an emotional standpoint, I don't see a distinction... at least, not in my view. Of course, that is purely my own subjective interpretation.😁

I try to operate under the assumption that all people are fundamentally equal, regardless of various factors... I attempt to live and think that way, anyway. But I have noticed, somewhat incidentally during conversations and general social interactions—or at least as much as one can reasonably observe—that people tend to be at their most guarded during sexual intimacy. They remain hidden, in a sense. What they truly feel and desire stays so deeply tucked away that it is nearly impossible for me to fully grasp or even describe. Again, I must emphasize: this is merely my own subjective impression. I am certainly not suggesting anything prurient; if some twisted mind takes offense, so be it, but for me, the end never justifies the means.😁

In short, I look at the convex and the concave together as a single, unified whole, based on my limited understanding.

Or, to simplify where I perceive a conflict—and I stress that I am saying I *perceive* it, not that it objectively exists—

It is much like a victim without a perpetrator, or dominance without submissiveness... one simply cannot exist without the other.😉
rowdywolf1 rowdywolf1 Newcomer
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#85 ·
silentnomad23 said:Look, rowdywolf1, it’s pretty clear you didn't give the thread a thorough read. You actually ended up agreeing with my point, but you were clearly just looking for an argument, so you went searching for something to nitpick.🤣 When everyone else decided it wasn't worth the energy to explain the context here, you took offense and stormed off the thread—which, let's be honest, felt a bit passive-aggressive. Maybe take a breather and come back once you aren't looking for a fight.

Look, silentnomad23! 😁 It’s not even about wanting to fight—actually, that’s exactly why I stepped away, because a colleague asked me nicely to chill out. If I had kept pushing my point, people would have definitely misread the disagreement as an actual argument. I know I was saying the same thing you were—just like how various scientists throughout history have made similar points, only their scientific foundations were different. 😂 I’m only telling you this because I don't want people thinking we're fighting just because they don't like someone's opinion. If I see that different viewpoints aren't being treated as personal attacks by individuals, then sure, I'll jump back into the discussion. But if my opinion keeps getting labeled as "chauvinistic" just because of certain people, then fine—I'll leave you all to keep building your theory on "scientific" foundations that haven't actually been proven by any real American scientific methods. 😛
And maybe don't overthink that "convexity" nonsense too much, unless you're looking for some unexpected physical changes down there... but hey, that's a conversation for another day. 🤣
Lawrence Bailey77 Lawrence Bailey77 Regular
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#86 ·
Regarding my avatar... I suppose I reached out and took a gamble, only to lose the very thing I was aiming for... and now I have this nagging feeling I might lose the whole arm along with it 😁.

On a lighter note, though, I had a rather unexpected moment of levity today. I was venting to someone about my recent medical results—everything seems to be hovering just slightly off center, either too high or too low on the charts—and he just looked at me and said there is exactly one thing perfectly centered 😁. Apparently, everything else is just noise 😂. I spent so much energy agonizing over the details, and yet 🤣.

But what should we actually do about this thread? It wouldn't be surprising if the obvious answer is indeed the right one 😢.
hiddenhound3 hiddenhound3 Regular
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#87 ·
silentnomad23 said:So, I was sitting there after lunch today, letting my mind wander through a rather curious thought: why does it always seem easier to be the one initiating action rather than the one receiving it?
It’s a phenomenon that goes far beyond physical intimacy; it’s deeply rooted in our psychological makeup. If I were to imagine myself navigating the world from a masculine perspective, honestly, taking charge and being the active force with one, two, or even ten people wouldn't feel like much of a struggle at all. However, looking at this through a feminine lens changes the equation entirely. When you are the one penetrating, you are essentially asserting your integrity; when you are the one being penetrated, that sense of self-integrity feels like it retreats. This is where those classic archetypes of male "dominance" and female "submissiveness" seemingly originate.
For instance, if someone wanders into my personal space—say, coming within half a meter of me—my instinctual reaction is often to push back with both hands. People usually look for an explanation because they can't quite wrap their heads around why I reacted that way (essentially, my "penetrating" stance). It got me reflecting on my own behavior and thinking about the times I have been the one in the active role—and just how many different ways people have tried to defend themselves against that.
Still, these convex and concave dynamics in life and behavior are inevitable; ultimately, they play a role in the very mechanics of reproduction. But as society evolves, we are seeing more fluid identities, which will likely lead to a generation of "moral relativists" regarding these convex-concave mental statuses.
To get straight to the point: could you envision yourselves as the opposite gender, and if so, how would you describe that experience?

(A quick note to the feminists and the chauvinists out there: please leave the moralizing at the door. We're keeping the ethics strictly to the philosophy section below.) 🙂

I believe it all comes down to perception—to our individual sensitivity and our psychological defense mechanisms. It is an undeniable fact that there are certain people who lack the capacity for balanced communication; they barge into your space, interrupting you mid-sentence (a crude form of penetration). Then there are the trolls (which applies perfectly to the wild west of the American internet), those who refuse to engage with the actual subject matter and instead choose to analyze their interlocutor. This analysis is usually amateurish and fundamentally flawed, as their "psychoanalysis" is merely a projection of their own flaws onto others. They introduce irrelevant elements, drift into nonsense and illogic, and adopt an offensive, aggressive stance. This is essentially invading someone else's territory without permission—it is reckless, malicious, and driven by a desperate need to be right rather than a pursuit of truth. It is, quite simply, a pure manifestation of the ego. 🙏

I have always appreciated your approach (even during the times we disagreed), because you respect boundaries. I have never felt contempt, disrespect, or even the slightest threat that you might cross the line of decency or politeness, even though I know I can be quite aggravating at times 🤣. I believe such behavior stems from a deep sense of self-respect and an awareness of one's own integrity. (Of course, there is a difference when one does this intentionally—approaching boundaries as a sort of game, which I find can be unnecessarily cruel).

So, how should one deal with a crude penetrator? My view is that a person does not need to bend more than they wish to, provided they can control their own concavity. Only those lacking self-control unconsciously become victims of convexity. Others provide a flat, smooth, and cold surface that acts as a mirror to the penetrator. The aggressor remains unaware that they are merely seeing themselves reflected; they continue to believe they are observing another person, which is why they project their own character deviations onto them.

In conclusion, this is a matter of immaturity, lack of awareness, and sheer stupidity (from which evil is born in a metaphysical sense). Therefore, it is best to avoid such individuals entirely—much like avoiding mindless infantry—because you can only end up hurt. Once they finally grow up and get their heads screwed on straight, they will stop acting this way. Using a "mirror" only works if you notice a glimmer of lucidity in the person, but that usually leads to shattering their narcissistic self-image, which is incredibly painful. To escape that pain, they will either flee or double down with even greater force. You are left with two options: flight or victory at any cost, regardless of the casualties or the purpose. Both paths involve adrenaline and a level of behavior that is purely animalistic.

The point of this post is this: every victim eventually finds their killer.

Oh, and I nearly forgot to mention: I don't believe this is strictly tied to gender. Men can be just as spineless as women can be incredibly bold.
wearyhawk83 wearyhawk83 Active Member
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#88 ·
When you’re fully checked in and giving 100%—whether you're the one leading or following—that whole sense of "self" just melts away. You lose track of your daily grind, and even the act itself stops feeling like two separate things happening. Honestly, the more we grow up and understand how life actually works, the more we realize that true fulfillment comes when we stop playing roles. We aren't just participants anymore; we become the experience itself. Perfection isn't about the people involved; it's about the flow. Nature tries to show us this all the time, from the way faces reflect our energy to that deeper, abstract level where we finally sync up perfectly with someone else's vibe—or even our own—to create one shared reality.
Rachel Stewart36 Rachel Stewart36 Member
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#89 ·
hiddenhound3, a total 🙏 for this whole thing—specifically this part here:

hiddenhound3 said:I believe it all comes down to perception—to our individual sensitivity and our psychological defense mechanisms. It is an undeniable fact that there are certain people who lack the capacity for balanced communication; they barge into your space, interrupting you mid-sentence (a crude form of penetration). Then there are the trolls (which applies perfectly to the wild west of the American internet), those who refuse to engage with the actual subject matter and instead choose to analyze their interlocutor. This analysis is usually amateurish and fundamentally flawed, as their "psychoanalysis" is merely a projection of their own flaws onto others. They introduce irrelevant elements, drift into nonsense and illogic, and adopt an offensive, aggressive stance. This is essentially invading someone else's territory without permission—it is reckless, malicious, and driven by a desperate need to be right rather than a pursuit of truth. It is, quite simply, a pure manifestation of the ego. 🙏

I have always appreciated your approach (even during the times we disagreed), because you respect boundaries. I have never felt contempt, disrespect, or even the slightest threat that you might cross the line of decency or politeness, even though I know I can be quite aggravating at times 🤣. I believe such behavior stems from a deep sense of self-respect and an awareness of one's own integrity. (Of course, there is a difference when one does this intentionally—approaching boundaries as a sort of game, which I find can be unnecessarily cruel).

So, how should one deal with a crude penetrator? My view is that a person does not need to bend more than they wish to, provided they can control their own concavity. Only those lacking self-control unconsciously become victims of convexity. Others provide a flat, smooth, and cold surface that acts as a mirror to the penetrator. The aggressor remains unaware that they are merely seeing themselves reflected; they continue to believe they are observing another person, which is why they project their own character deviations onto them.

In conclusion, this is a matter of immaturity, lack of awareness, and sheer stupidity (from which evil is born in a metaphysical sense). Therefore, it is best to avoid such individuals entirely—much like avoiding mindless infantry—because you can only end up hurt. Once they finally grow up and get their heads screwed on straight, they will stop acting this way. Using a "mirror" only works if you notice a glimmer of lucidity in the person, but that usually leads to shattering their narcissistic self-image, which is incredibly painful. To escape that pain, they will either flee or double down with even greater force. You are left with two options: flight or victory at any cost, regardless of the casualties or the purpose. Both paths involve adrenaline and a level of behavior that is purely animalistic.

The point of this post is this: every victim eventually finds their killer.

Oh, and I nearly forgot to mention: I don't believe this is strictly tied to gender. Men can be just as spineless as women can be incredibly bold.

hiddenhound3 said:I believe it all comes down to perception—to our individual sensitivity and our psychological defense mechanisms. It is an undeniable fact that there are certain people who lack the capacity for balanced communication; they barge into your space, interrupting you mid-sentence (a crude form of penetration). Then there are the trolls (which applies perfectly to the wild west of the American internet), those who refuse to engage with the actual subject matter and instead choose to analyze their interlocutor. This analysis is usually amateurish and fundamentally flawed, as their "psychoanalysis" is merely a projection of their own flaws onto others. They introduce irrelevant elements, drift into nonsense and illogic, and adopt an offensive, aggressive stance. This is essentially invading someone else's territory without permission—it is reckless, malicious, and driven by a desperate need to be right rather than a pursuit of truth. It is, quite simply, a pure manifestation of the ego. 🙏

I have always appreciated your approach (even during the times we disagreed), because you respect boundaries. I have never felt contempt, disrespect, or even the slightest threat that you might cross the line of decency or politeness, even though I know I can be quite aggravating at times 🤣. I believe such behavior stems from a deep sense of self-respect and an awareness of one's own integrity. (Of course, there is a difference when one does this intentionally—approaching boundaries as a sort of game, which I find can be unnecessarily cruel).

So, how should one deal with a crude penetrator? My view is that a person does not need to bend more than they wish to, provided they can control their own concavity. Only those lacking self-control unconsciously become victims of convexity. Others provide a flat, smooth, and cold surface that acts as a mirror to the penetrator. The aggressor remains unaware that they are merely seeing themselves reflected; they continue to believe they are observing another person, which is why they project their own character deviations onto them.

In conclusion, this is a matter of immaturity, lack of awareness, and sheer stupidity (from which evil is born in a metaphysical sense). Therefore, it is best to avoid such individuals entirely—much like avoiding mindless infantry—because you can only end up hurt. Once they finally grow up and get their heads screwed on straight, they will stop acting this way. Using a "mirror" only works if you notice a glimmer of lucidity in the person, but that usually leads to shattering their narcissistic self-image, which is incredibly painful. To escape that pain, they will either flee or double down with even greater force. You are left with two options: flight or victory at any cost, regardless of the casualties or the purpose. Both paths involve adrenaline and a level of behavior that is purely animalistic.

The point of this post is this: every victim eventually finds their killer.

Oh, and I nearly forgot to mention: I don't believe this is strictly tied to gender. Men can be just as spineless as women can be incredibly bold.

In my opinion, instead of this "either/or" thing, we're talking about "simultaneity"—meaning, it's not that both *can* be, it's that they fundamentally *are*.

wearyhawk83 said:When you’re fully checked in and giving 100%—whether you're the one leading or following—that whole sense of "self" just melts away. You lose track of your daily grind, and even the act itself stops feeling like two separate things happening. Honestly, the more we grow up and understand how life actually works, the more we realize that true fulfillment comes when we stop playing roles. We aren't just participants anymore; we become the experience itself. Perfection isn't about the people involved; it's about the flow. Nature tries to show us this all the time, from the way faces reflect our energy to that deeper, abstract level where we finally sync up perfectly with someone else's vibe—or even our own—to create one shared reality.

If I'm reading you right, you think "penetration itself" merges both forms? Like, knowing another person is a form of penetration, but since all knowing is self-knowing, it's really just about "opening" oneself to oneself and to the other (being the penetrated). 🤔
wearyhawk83 wearyhawk83 Active Member
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#90 ·
Rachel Stewart36 said:hiddenhound3, a total 🙏 for this whole thing—specifically this part here:

In my opinion, instead of this "either/or" thing, we're talking about "simultaneity"—meaning, it's not that both *can* be, it's that they fundamentally *are*.

If I'm reading you right, you think "penetration itself" merges both forms? Like, knowing another person is a form of penetration, but since all knowing is self-knowing, it's really just about "opening" oneself to oneself and to the other (being the penetrated). 🤔

Look, you can't have penetration without both a penetrator and someone being penetrated. It absolutely merges both sides, but not by swapping roles—it's more like the roles just totally dissolve into one another!
silentnomad23 silentnomad23 Active MemberOP
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#91 ·
hiddenhound3, you’re talking about me as if I’ve already kicked the bucket.😬 I am very much alive, and I don't plan on going anywhere until I've said my piece—and I'll likely need at least another 30 or 40 years to get through it all, regardless of what happens. My sister actually told me the other day that I wouldn't be in her thoughts for even eight minutes. Honestly, I wouldn't want to be either if it weren't a necessity.
Lawrence Bailey77, your fascination with what people think about during sex is quite something; you might as well start a new thread about what you'll be pondering once you finally get banned. It's a bit of a concave-versus-convex situation. I suppose even during sex, whether you want to or not, your mind wanders. Maybe you're wondering if you should toss the towels in the washing machine because they're getting worn out, or thinking about what's coming up in the next season of a show. Or perhaps someone deals with intrusive thoughts—like feeling an urgent need to jump up and rearrange their slippers in the hallway because if the right one isn't positioned just ahead of the left, the ground will literally swallow them whole.
I was watching those animals on the highway near Macon, Georgia. Those tiny little creatures seem almost cheerful while they're playing cards, whereas the boar looks tough and aggressive, and the bear seems to be the most melancholy of the bunch. No matter how large those bears are, they always look famished when they stretch out. But you shouldn't underestimate them; they are among the most vicious predators out there, capable of sprinting up to 50 miles/h—definitely a convex presence. Then you take a look at where his anatomy is located, and it's just this tiny little thing, looking like a small piece of penne pasta. Good grief, how does a bear manage to maintain any dignity with that?
hiddenhound3 hiddenhound3 Regular
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#92 ·
silentnomad23 said:hiddenhound3, you’re talking about me as if I’ve already kicked the bucket.😬 I am very much alive, and I don't plan on going anywhere until I've said my piece—and I'll likely need at least another 30 or 40 years to get through it all, regardless of what happens. My sister actually told me the other day that I wouldn't be in her thoughts for even eight minutes. Honestly, I wouldn't want to be either if it weren't a necessity.
Lawrence Bailey77, your fascination with what people think about during sex is quite something; you might as well start a new thread about what you'll be pondering once you finally get banned. It's a bit of a concave-versus-convex situation. I suppose even during sex, whether you want to or not, your mind wanders. Maybe you're wondering if you should toss the towels in the washing machine because they're getting worn out, or thinking about what's coming up in the next season of a show. Or perhaps someone deals with intrusive thoughts—like feeling an urgent need to jump up and rearrange their slippers in the hallway because if the right one isn't positioned just ahead of the left, the ground will literally swallow them whole.
I was watching those animals on the highway near Macon, Georgia. Those tiny little creatures seem almost cheerful while they're playing cards, whereas the boar looks tough and aggressive, and the bear seems to be the most melancholy of the bunch. No matter how large those bears are, they always look famished when they stretch out. But you shouldn't underestimate them; they are among the most vicious predators out there, capable of sprinting up to 50 miles/h—definitely a convex presence. Then you take a look at where his anatomy is located, and it's just this tiny little thing, looking like a small piece of penne pasta. Good grief, how does a bear manage to maintain any dignity with that?

Good grief, give me a break. 🙂

I have no intention of sharing anything just yet, and frankly, I don't plan to until I have properly laid out certain matters—a process that will likely take me another thirty or forty years, regardless of the consequences. My sister had the audacity to suggest the other day that I wouldn't last eight minutes under such pressure. If it weren't for the fact that I am compelled by necessity, I wouldn't even bother participating.

I am of the firm belief that your little corner of the world serves as a truly fascinating playground. ☕

But let us move on from discussing you; you are not the subject at hand. 🙄
Timothy Jones Timothy Jones Newcomer
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#93 ·
Great topic.
Countess, you have this almost magical way about you from a distance.
Floverka, stellar post. That bit about the mirror and the penetrator? Spot on.
I’m honestly too exhausted to offer anything more than a compliment, but now that I’ve finally caught up on this thread, maybe someone else can build on it. 🙂
By the way, I think this borders on philosophy, though that really depends on how you frame the examples.
All in all, great stuff.

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