Women are villains, men are saints

It seems like a bunch of threads have been sparked lately, all centered around these PDFs that basically categorize women as nothing but trash. It looks like being female is being treated as the ultimate misfortune. I suppose that’s why so many people celebrate when they find out they’re having a son. Honestly, this whole mess probably traces back to Adam. But why such sweeping generalizations? Does this criticism apply to older generations, or just the younger ones? Is it meant to be universal? Should I feel ashamed simply because I am a woman? And why are feminists constantly being belittled? Would these critics actually prefer if things hadn't changed—if women were still stuck at home without any rights at all?

Steven Johnson3 said:It seems like a bunch of threads have been sparked lately, all centered around these PDFs that basically categorize women as nothing but trash. It looks like being female is being treated as the ultimate misfortune. I suppose that’s why so many people celebrate when they find out they’re having a son. Honestly, this whole mess probably traces back to Adam. But why such sweeping generalizations? Does this criticism apply to older generations, or just the younger ones? Is it meant to be universal? Should I feel ashamed simply because I am a woman? And why are feminists constantly being belittled? Would these critics actually prefer if things hadn't changed—if women were still stuck at home without any rights at all?

Wait, what PDFs are we even talking about here? 🤔

boldwalker12 said:Wait, what PDFs are we even talking about here? 🤔

It started with the major news networks, but now it has spilled over onto Politics too.

Steven Johnson3 said:It started with the major news networks, but now it has spilled over onto Politics too.

So, why would you even bother going there? 😁
Honestly, I’ve never even considered hanging out over at Politics because the crowd there is so predictable—especially when you dive into the "on the edge of politics" subforums. And Reddit? Forget about it. It’s almost impossible to have a decent, high-level conversation with that lot. In this country, aggressive chauvinism is basically a daily occurrence; it’s just gotten a little more subtle over the years. Most people are just venting their frustrations, so it’s way easier to lean on lazy stereotypes than to actually sit down and use your brain.

Fact 1: Men are basically an endangered species these days. 🙂
Fact 2: The crowd at Madison Square Garden is always a total mess.
...Fact 3: So, I was just playing around a bit.. 😁

Look, there’s no reason to feel bad about being a woman. That's just who you are, so own it..
But honestly, I'd love it if you could actually walk me through your reasoning.... maybe back it up with some specific Quotes or actual descriptions.. hh

Is this actually you? 😲

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2uzogjycMkM

hollowsailor48 said:Is this actually you? 😲

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2uzogjycMkM

How am I supposed to take this? Is it an insult or...

Terry Stewart16 said:Fact 1: Men are basically an endangered species these days. 🙂
Fact 2: The crowd at Madison Square Garden is always a total mess.
...Fact 3: So, I was just playing around a bit.. 😁

Look, there’s no reason to feel bad about being a woman. That's just who you are, so own it..
But honestly, I'd love it if you could actually walk me through your reasoning.... maybe back it up with some specific Quotes or actual descriptions.. hh

So, what you're saying is I need to go create a copy of certain threads. For instance, there is one over on the Politics board that is actually wild—it deals with abuse and the whole debate regarding the legalization of killing from a female perspective.

Steven Johnson3 said:So, what you're saying is I need to go create a copy of certain threads. For instance, there is one over on the Politics board that is actually wild—it deals with abuse and the whole debate regarding the legalization of killing from a female perspective.

about abused women and murdered men😁

placidranger said:about abused women and murdered men😁

Both. But this discussion is strictly about men at risk.

Steven Johnson3 said:Both. But this discussion is strictly about men at risk.

Seriously, how many of them are there? Are there even enough to fill up one tiny room in a halfway house? I highly doubt it. ☕

People are just animals—regardless of gender. Radical feminists are nothing more than fascists, and frankly, I couldn't care less about some narrow-minded, old-school traditionalist who thinks a woman’s place is strictly in the kitchen—someone who expects her to just shut up, cook, obsess over having a son, and treat her daughter like a plague. It’s all the same garbage, really. Extremism is always bad, no matter which side you're looking at.

Andrew Mendoza10 said:People are just animals—regardless of gender. Radical feminists are nothing more than fascists, and frankly, I couldn't care less about some narrow-minded, old-school traditionalist who thinks a woman’s place is strictly in the kitchen—someone who expects her to just shut up, cook, obsess over having a son, and treat her daughter like a plague. It’s all the same garbage, really. Extremism is always bad, no matter which side you're looking at.

Oh, absolutely. Apparently, everyone who ever fought for anything on this planet is a fascist now. It’s easy to sit here and type away comfortably while forgetting that most of the rights we enjoy today were won by people who would probably be labeled with whatever insulting term is trending this week. Real classy. By the way, if it weren't for feminists, there'd be way more women out there treating their daughters like a plague—and let's be real, there are still plenty of them today thanks to some truly nauseating "tradition." But sure, they're all fascists, obviously. Honestly, I've started losing interest in debates like this because so many people I usually consider sane totally trip over themselves during these arguments. Some people are just choosing to be deaf and blind, and others... well, they're just plain uneducated.

Look, there was definitely a time when fighting for women's rights was necessary. That mission was accomplished—and honestly, the more useless those movements become, 🤷 the better. No amount of activism from any feminist is going to change the minds of a few stubborn, small-town folks. Maybe I just have a skewed perception of feminism, but I can't help blaming Vedrana Rudan for that; she acts as their unofficial spokesperson. If she’s the standard-bearer, then my reaction whenever I encounter a feminist will be 🙂. Let me be clear: I have nothing against independent women, nor do I believe a woman should just sit at home waiting for her husband to return from hunting bears 🤣

Andrew Mendoza10 said:Look, there was definitely a time when fighting for women's rights was necessary. That mission was accomplished—and honestly, the more useless those movements become, 🤷 the better. No amount of activism from any feminist is going to change the minds of a few stubborn, small-town folks. Maybe I just have a skewed perception of feminism, but I can't help blaming Vedrana Rudan for that; she acts as their unofficial spokesperson. If she’s the standard-bearer, then my reaction whenever I encounter a feminist will be 🙂. Let me be clear: I have nothing against independent women, nor do I believe a woman should just sit at home waiting for her husband to return from hunting bears 🤣

Ugh, I was actually going to bring up Joan Didion, but I bit my tongue. She isn't some damn mascot for the entire feminist movement! 😁
Most feminists are just regular people. For the most part. 😁

boldwalker12 said:Ugh, I was actually going to bring up Joan Didion, but I bit my tongue. She isn't some damn mascot for the entire feminist movement! 😁
Most feminists are just regular people. For the most part. 😁

maybe now I can finally get some sleep 🙂😬

boldwalker12 said:So, why would you even bother going there? 😁
Honestly, I’ve never even considered hanging out over at Politics because the crowd there is so predictable—especially when you dive into the "on the edge of politics" subforums. And Reddit? Forget about it. It’s almost impossible to have a decent, high-level conversation with that lot. In this country, aggressive chauvinism is basically a daily occurrence; it’s just gotten a little more subtle over the years. Most people are just venting their frustrations, so it’s way easier to lean on lazy stereotypes than to actually sit down and use your brain.

That sums it up... if you want a decent discussion, stay off Reddit (though you might catch a good thread once in a blue moon), and if you want to protect your mental health, steer clear of Politics Weekly. 😵

I don't think this is just some isolated issue found in specific PDF files or niche forums; rather, it’s a genuine reflection of how little the general public actually understands the precarious position women hold in America.
I have written about this many times, drawing parallels to similar dynamics elsewhere. We could spend all week debating how patriarchy and tradition fuel this environment—one where women often end up being their own worst enemies—but I'm sure there are plenty of people on this subforum more qualified than I am to dissect that. What I can offer, however, is my own perspective based on observing the world around us. In reality, women in the US face discrimination that extends far beyond the domestic sphere. People love to imply it’s just a "family matter," which is usually just a convenient way for them to dodge responsibility for the state of our society, where a staggering percentage of violent crimes involve domestic abuse against women. We all make a show of worrying about starving children in Africa or fighting for LGBTQ+ rights—heaven forbid you say the wrong thing there—yet so few are willing to admit we live in a culture that still views women as inferior or less capable. As mere sexual objects. I’m not quite sure how to articulate it, and I’d welcome some help, but I find the psychological makeup required to justify such things absolutely fascinating:

Take a woman being abused by her husband: instead of the community of men and women feeling a duty to report him, they scramble to manufacture excuses for the man, while either demonizing the woman or blaming her for her own predicament.

Or consider a rape survivor. A significant portion of people will instinctively assume she was asking for it or simply making it up. Even in discussions centered on survivors, you see a lot of participants casting doubt on whether certain accounts are even credible. It’s likely why we face a reality where for every single reported rape, there are fifteen others that go completely unreported.

Ultimately, it feels like people enjoy testing their moral compasses on issues that don't directly threaten them, perhaps because they lack any real awareness of what is actually happening. Or maybe performing this brand of enlightened virtue is just a charade to make themselves feel better. Tomorrow, there will be an uproar over a Black man being beaten, but the fact that in 2010, dozens of women were murdered, raped, harassed, or discriminated against in workplaces and schools across the country is treated as an afterthought. It goes so far that people actually argue, “Well, you have to understand, it’s just domestic violence.” What is that supposed to mean? If a woman is killed by her husband, is society not responsible? Is there no systemic influence at play? Is her death somehow less significant?

The topic you brought up, which ties directly into Politics Weekly, is another perfect example, given the variety of perspectives available from both men and women.

blah blah blah, always "women this" and "women that,"
I know this one woman who went out with this complete moron who was way too full of himself (first mistake), ended up getting pregnant (second mistake), and then actually married him (third mistake). Now she’s stuck at home with two kids while he’s out playing bachelor, hitting up weddings and whatever else.
So, who’s to blame for her miserable life? HIM?
HELL NO!
She’s the one who messed up—if she had any sense, she would've hung out with decent people or just stayed single. Instead, she’s in deep because she tied herself to some absolute hillbilly who doesn't have a clue about anything...
That’s just one example,
when someone starts playing you, you need to react immediately because by the time you realize it, it's TOO LATE!

Look, I can't speak for women since I'm not one, but if you hang out with drunks and abusers and end up married to them only to get abused two years later, I honestly don't give a damn!
It’s the same deal with people who get in cars with drunk drivers and then die in a wreck—hey, that was expected, which is exactly why you don't ride with drunks!!!

I’m just wondering about one thing—why on earth do these women marry men like this? It’s hard to wrap my head around the idea that they didn't get a clear picture of who he was during the dating phase. If I weren't living in the States—if I were looking at these posts from somewhere else—I’d honestly think women were treated worse here than in some fundamentalist countries. I truly don't know a single soul who views women as inferior beings.