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Reflections on the Bhagavad Gita

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Participants Henry Williamsfadedskipper52jadewalker51Jeremy Alvarez5Jeffrey Wilson4Betty Patel172dustyskipper3goldeneagle2Rebecca Castillo4Michael Anderson2Zachary ReedHannah White2Henry Collins11silentmaker4silvermason2Michael Gonzalez77Ryan Thompson4Sandra Morgan2Dana Brooks3Jacob Turner5Matthew Anderson4
Henry Williams Henry Williams MemberOP
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joined Sep 2010
#1 ·
The Bhagavad Gita—man, it’s such a gem when it comes to Indian spirituality and wisdom! It’s this incredible book of seven hundred verses that basically captures a deep conversation between God and Arjuna. Honestly, out of everything I've read, this is the one that taught me the most about spirituality. A friend actually handed me the version by Prabhupada, which I've been working through. Personally, I think it’s great, even though I know some people swear the translation isn't the best. Have you guys ever read it? I'd love to hear what you think!
fadedskipper52 fadedskipper52 Member
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#2 ·
A true treasure trove of spirituality and wisdom! It holds everything you could ever need to know. It’s over 5,000 years old, yet here we are in the West, barely grasping what happened even two

Whatever question crosses your mind, the answer is already waiting there for you! ☕
jadewalker51 jadewalker51 Newcomer
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#3 ·
fadedskipper52 said:A true treasure trove of spirituality and wisdom! It holds everything you could ever need to know. It’s over 5,000 years old, yet here we are in the West, barely grasping what happened even two

Whatever question crosses your mind, the answer is already waiting there for you! ☕

Now, if you look at any modern academic analysis, the Gita was actually composed somewhere between the 3rd century BCE and the 1st century BCE. So, we aren't quite looking at a 5,000-year-old text—it seems some Americans, especially those who identify as Vaishnava or from Krišnjevac, do love to get a little creative when they start playing around with dates and numbers.
But honestly, that's beside the point. That's just an example of how people tend to exaggerate, much like the claim that "everything" is found in the Gita. In reality, the Gita is simply one beautiful piece of the Vedantic corpus—perhaps one of its absolute peaks for some, certainly—but that's about as far as it goes.
Jeremy Alvarez5 Jeremy Alvarez5 Active Member
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joined Aug 2010
#4 ·
Since we're talking about such an ancient source, I was wondering... has anything been lifted from it by other religions? Like, are there any obvious cases of plagiarism or anything along those lines?
Jeffrey Wilson4 Jeffrey Wilson4 Newcomer
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joined Jun 2010
#5 ·
Henry Williams said:The Bhagavad Gita—man, it’s such a gem when it comes to Indian spirituality and wisdom! It’s this incredible book of seven hundred verses that basically captures a deep conversation between God and Arjuna. Honestly, out of everything I've read, this is the one that taught me the most about spirituality. A friend actually handed me the version by Prabhupada, which I've been working through. Personally, I think it’s great, even though I know some people swear the translation isn't the best. Have you guys ever read it? I'd love to hear what you think!

I’ve actually sat through both the Prabhupada version and that one translation by Miroslav Marković from back in the day—you know, the one translated from Sanskrit around 1980 (that old US edition from BIGZ 1989). Look, it’s pretty obvious that Bhakti Vedanta Swami Prabhupada wasn't exactly a literature major or a professional translator, but honestly? I’d say there IS NO real difference. But those commentaries on the Gita verses? Yeah, that’s a whole different ballgame.

The Bhagavad Gita—the Song of the Lord—is actually just a piece of the much larger Indian epic Mahabharata (the Epic of Great India), though people usually just buy it as its own standalone thing.
Henry Williams said:The Bhagavad Gita—man, it’s such a gem when it comes to Indian spirituality and wisdom! It’s this incredible book of seven hundred verses that basically captures a deep conversation between God and Arjuna. Honestly, out of everything I've read, this is the one that taught me the most about spirituality. A friend actually handed me the version by Prabhupada, which I've been working through. Personally, I think it’s great, even though I know some people swear the translation isn't the best. Have you guys ever read it? I'd love to hear what you think!

I liked it! I mean, all those ancient religious texts have several layers of truth to them—the Gita included. But since we're talking about texts that are ancient (whether they're 2,500 or 5,000 years old, who knows?), my take is that they carry more historical and literary weight than anything else. Not to mention how much could have been added or stripped away over the centuries... you know, the whole mess of interpreting symbolism correctly through the ages.

Nowadays, looking at humanity as a whole, our global spiritual consciousness is just... different. We have a way bigger, richer vocabulary to work with. Because of that, the Spirit Truth from the Absolute is being revealed through modern prophecy much more clearly and abundantly than was ever possible in previous millennia. I respect the Gita and all the old scriptures, really, but when it comes to actual spirituality, I need things to be "up to date" 🙂
Betty Patel172 Betty Patel172 Member
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#6 ·
The core takeaway from the Bhagavad Gita is quite simple: everything happens according to the will of God, whether you choose to accept it or not.
fadedskipper52 fadedskipper52 Member
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#7 ·
jadewalker51 said:Stop rambling. If you and people like you didn't believe that *you* were the sole authority on this, wouldn't you just head over to a local bookstore or a library and find—get this—a direct translation from Sanskrit into English, complete with an extensive study? A book like that came out a few years ago and is incredibly easy to find.
It would be quite improper, even unnecessary, for me to boast about how many translations and commentaries of the Gita I have read or which languages I've used.
After all, isn't there that old saying about casting pearls before swine?

I read it in Sanskrit.😁
dustyskipper3 dustyskipper3 Active Member
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#8 ·
Jeffrey Wilson4 said:I’ve actually sat through both the Prabhupada version and that one translation by Miroslav Marković from back in the day—you know, the one translated from Sanskrit around 1980 (that old US edition from BIGZ 1989). Look, it’s pretty obvious that Bhakti Vedanta Swami Prabhupada wasn't exactly a literature major or a professional translator, but honestly? I’d say there IS NO real difference. But those commentaries on the Gita verses? Yeah, that’s a whole different ballgame.

The Bhagavad Gita—the Song of the Lord—is actually just a piece of the much larger Indian epic Mahabharata (the Epic of Great India), though people usually just buy it as its own standalone thing.

I liked it! I mean, all those ancient religious texts have several layers of truth to them—the Gita included. But since we're talking about texts that are ancient (whether they're 2,500 or 5,000 years old, who knows?), my take is that they carry more historical and literary weight than anything else. Not to mention how much could have been added or stripped away over the centuries... you know, the whole mess of interpreting symbolism correctly through the ages.

Nowadays, looking at humanity as a whole, our global spiritual consciousness is just... different. We have a way bigger, richer vocabulary to work with. Because of that, the Spirit Truth from the Absolute is being revealed through modern prophecy much more clearly and abundantly than was ever possible in previous millennia. I respect the Gita and all the old scriptures, really, but when it comes to actual spirituality, I need things to be "up to date" 🙂

A truly spiritual person should be able to, and maybe even must, bridge that gap of time and culture. Otherwise, we’ll just end up reading everything in some watered-down digest version—like reading the Bible in a picture book, or Dostoevsky as a comic strip... and I suppose such versions only hold informative value, rather than true spiritual depth. They might nudge someone toward finding the original to actually read it. And I guess that counts for something, since reading the full version of "i Chingo" doesn't really serve a practical purpose, whereas Blofeld's condensed version actually sparked a real revolution in the West.
goldeneagle2 goldeneagle2 Active Member
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joined Aug 2005
#9 ·
Found this one online—just some random link I stumbled upon while browsing.

Also saw this listing on eBay earlier. Not sure if it’s worth the shipping, honestly. http://www.limundo.com/kupovina/BHAG...odnja-/1119766

And then there was this digital archive thing from a university site... probably too niche for me, but whatever.
goldeneagle2 goldeneagle2 Active Member
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joined Aug 2005
#10 ·
Back when I was prepping for one of those South Asian studies exams—takes a while, you know—I did a deep dive into the first four chapters of the Bhagavad Gita, verse by verse. I actually revisited that translation just the other day. :-) At the time, I was working off some notes from a colleague whose handwriting is... let's just say "challenging," so I wasn't entirely sure if the Sanskrit text matched what was printed. I ended up using Prabhupada’s version specifically because it includes the Devanagari script, whereas most other translations don't bother with the original Sanskrit source. As I worked my way through the verses, I started noticing some discrepancies. They’re subtle, sure, but once they pile up, they can easily lead an uninitiated reader down the wrong path. For instance, he frequently translates terms like "yogin" or "ascetic" as something like "pure devotee" or similar. In my opinion, that's pretty inaccurate. Plus, if I recall correctly, there were one or two verses in those first four chapters that were just plain poorly translated. I can't remember exactly which ones they were, and honestly, I don't really have the energy to go hunting for examples just to prove the point. So, take my word for it or don't—it's up to you.

Looking at it as a whole, there aren't a ton of glaring errors you could pinpoint without a fight, but the thing is heavily ideologically biased. And generally speaking, that makes it a pretty bad translation that you might want to steer clear of. If you ask me, the biggest flaw isn't even the translation of the original verses themselves, but rather Prabhupada’s commentaries. Those comments are arguably the worst part. Prabhupada didn't write a classic *bhashya* (commentary) on the Sanskrit; instead, he rambled extensively in modern languages—likely starting in his native Bengali before it was translated into English and other Western languages. This is where his specific worldview really shows through, making it obvious why he massaged the translation to fit his commentary style. It's essentially a translation of interest—a translation with a preconceived agenda. That’s why it might be better to stick to some of those unbiased, academic translations produced by our local experts in South Asian studies. Just for a first reading and to get an impartial impression.

By the way, in India, philosophy is traditionally taught alongside commentaries from the specific school of thought one belongs to. Every school of Indian philosophy has written its own insights and interpretations of the Bhagavad Gita. Prabhupada isn't anything out of the ordinary here, except perhaps being a more recent commentator who isn't particularly highly regarded within India itself. His translation doesn't carry much weight in serious scholarly circles. It certainly doesn't rank alongside the classic commentaries like those from Shankara, Ramanuja, Madhva, or Abhinavagupta, mainly because it wasn't written in Sanskrit and lacks that traditional structure (and not just because of the language). In serious academic circles in India, this isn't even treated as a scholarly commentary. It’s almost like if I wrote something in English and tried to pass it off as a definitive treatise—serious scholars wouldn't give it much thought. Naturally, Indians, much like Westerners, have their own disagreements with the content since not everyone agrees with his commentary. Generally speaking, this translation isn't held in high esteem, neither in India nor in the West. So, my recommendation: read the Bhagavad Gita in an independent, professional translation first. Later, if you want to dive into the commentaries of a specific school of Indian spiritual thought... well, feel free to choose whatever suits you.
Rebecca Castillo4 Rebecca Castillo4 Newcomer
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joined Jan 2011
#11 ·
About two years ago, we finally got a modern American edition of the two most famous epics from India—and honestly, the whole world—the Ramayana and the Mahabharata.

The Bhagavad Gita is the heart of the Mahabharata. In this version, it’s written in prose, capturing the intense dialogue and philosophical clashes between Arjuna and Krishna right before they head off to that massive civil war.

It’s probably some of the most beautiful writing on the planet.

And its value? It's eternal.
Michael Anderson2 Michael Anderson2 Active Member
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joined Jul 2013
#12 ·
I personally lean toward this one:

http://www.danijel.org/index.php?id=gita

I recall one specific passage that never quite sat right with me—something about how arrows would just bounce off those legendary warriors from that era, or something along those lines...🙂
Zachary Reed Zachary Reed Newcomer
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#13 ·
I’ve been losing sleep lately, buried under a mountain of research papers because I decided to write my thesis on the Bhagavad Gita.
Hannah White2 Hannah White2 Active Member
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joined Oct 2011
#14 ·
Come on, just post it on the forum. Are you studying philosophy or something?
Zachary Reed Zachary Reed Newcomer
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joined Feb 2012
#15 ·
I’m not exactly some casual hobbyist when it comes to philosophy; I actually finished my degree in theology and philosophy. It took a fair amount of grit and stubbornness to push through, though, especially since I had to fight to get this specific topic approved for my thesis at a university that leans pretty heavily toward Christian studies 😁.
Henry Collins11 Henry Collins11 Newcomer
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joined Apr 2012
#16 ·
Rebecca Castillo4 said:About two years ago, we finally got a modern American edition of the two most famous epics from India—and honestly, the whole world—the Ramayana and the Mahabharata.

The Bhagavad Gita is the heart of the Mahabharata. In this version, it’s written in prose, capturing the intense dialogue and philosophical clashes between Arjuna and Krishna right before they head off to that massive civil war.

It’s probably some of the most beautiful writing on the planet.

And its value? It's eternal.

An interesting new edition just hit the shelves. Bhagavad Gita - guide for Westerners
silentmaker4 silentmaker4 Member
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joined Nov 2012
#17 ·
http://www.bhagavad-gita.com/

Hey, check out this cool link for anyone obsessed with this absolute masterpiece 🙂

Drop your thoughts below—tell me what you think about it, your favorite quotes, whatever...
Catch ya later! 😉
silvermason2 silvermason2 Member
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joined Jan 2013
#18 ·
I just started reading it recently, and honestly, I’m blown away. Even though it's considered a sacred text, I don't look at it through that narrow lens. Whether you believe in God or not doesn't really matter—I think the Bhagavad Gita is just a stunningly beautiful, inspiring book that anyone can pick up and enjoy. Even if the whole story about its divine origin isn't true—meaning, even if it was penned by a man rather than being spoken by God—you have to admit it was written by someone with an incredible moral compass and a terrifyingly deep understanding of humanity and life itself.

I'll pull some specific quotes for you guys another time. 😉
silentmaker4 silentmaker4 Member
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joined Nov 2012
#19 ·
So, here’s what JAWAHARLAL Nehru (1889–1964), who was basically the first Prime Minister of India, had to say about the Bhagavad-gita:

"The Bhagavad-gita is fundamentally about the spiritual foundations of our existence. It serves as a call to action—to fulfill our worldly obligations and duties without ever losing sight of our spiritual essence or the greater purpose of the universe.

😍
Michael Gonzalez77 Michael Gonzalez77 Active Member
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#20 ·
The Gracious Song was flowing through my Heart, and with the help of Krishna (Brahman), I (Atman) managed to navigate through the agony, the labyrinth, and the suffering, ultimately remaining unattached and liberated from the ultimate crime of impressions. 😵

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