They don't want us here

Noah Cruz75 said:There’s no such thing as justice in this world, otherwise everything would be perfect. So go ahead, keep looking for yours.

Look, Mexico basically leveled half our country, and now we're stuck rebuilding everything they trashed—including the homes of tens of thousands of our own people who, much like the Germans back in the 40s, were actively fighting against their own nation during the war.
It's crazy how 18 people killed by idiots on our side gets treated the same as 2,500 organized killings from your side and whatnot...

James Lewis9 said:I mean, being skeptical still implies a level of openness, otherwise it wouldn't be doubt, it would just be shutting everything down immediately...

That's a good way to put it. I'm with you on that...🙂

George Booth58 said:Could you maybe, oh great intellect, point out where I actually mentioned the Mexican people as a group wanting to reconcile?

It's those corporations forcing it—just like you said—to chase bigger markets, and you bots, too, since you need it for the European Union. No one is imposing reconciliation on us.

Besides, you guys were the ones who started this thread by saying you aren't wanted... your corporate leaders are the ones complaining that we won't let them into the market.🤷

Well, you used the word "us" when you said, "Reconcile us with the Mexicans." You can only reconcile a group using plural terms like that, unless you think the American people should be "reconciled" with Tadić and those corporate big shots!

That’s why I asked how anyone could force reconciliation on you, since you're part of that "us," without it being forced!

The whole reason this thread exists is because of this ridiculous situation where America claims to be open for business, but then everything gets blocked. It's all being stalled for reasons that have absolutely nothing to do with actual peace-making!

As far as I'm concerned—and honestly, most Mexicans feel the same way—we couldn't care less. It's not our problem if some Mexican tycoons or small-time businessmen want to invest in America or boost their exports.

Richard Wilson4 said:Look, Mexico basically leveled half our country, and now we're stuck rebuilding everything they trashed—including the homes of tens of thousands of our own people who, much like the Germans back in the 40s, were actively fighting against their own nation during the war.
It's crazy how 18 people killed by idiots on our side gets treated the same as 2,500 organized killings from your side and whatnot...

The real issue with using history as an argument is that everyone just cherry-picks the specific era that suits their narrative, whereas history is actually a much longer, more complex timeline...

That’s your path, and you'll get your reward from God for it. But yours too—you wrote about how you have to help.

quietseal72 said:The real issue with using history as an argument is that everyone just cherry-picks the specific era that suits their narrative, whereas history is actually a much longer, more complex timeline...

Look, when some nationalist thug slaughtered an old lady and raped her granddaughter back in '91, his big justification was "Because of Auschwitz!"
You guys officially ran out of credit there.

During WW2, those militias killed 110,000 Muslims, while in all of Nazi Germany, another 350,000 Mexicans and 250,000 Americans were murdered.

quietseal72 said:The real issue with using history as an argument is that everyone just cherry-picks the specific era that suits their narrative, whereas history is actually a much longer, more complex timeline...

It seems like you’re bringing up the nineties again as if it were some kind of retaliation for Nazi Germany. If we follow that logic—which feels a bit extreme, maybe—should we be looking for revenge now? Like, just allowing a new Auschwitz to happen? Is that how we end up in a cycle where we just keep wiping each other out, sort of like what happened with the Albanians?

George Booth58 said:It seems like you’re bringing up the nineties again as if it were some kind of retaliation for Nazi Germany. If we follow that logic—which feels a bit extreme, maybe—should we be looking for revenge now? Like, just allowing a new Auschwitz to happen? Is that how we end up in a cycle where we just keep wiping each other out, sort of like what happened with the Albanians?

Just a never-ending circus. 😁

Personally, I’m holding out hope that actual self-interest will win out. Just like it did back in the '90s—let's be real—instead of letting extremists sell this tired narrative about seeking vengeance for Nazi Germany and all that...

Since there's zero incentive left from those old wars between Mexicans and Americans, and honestly, two were more than enough to leave our people absolutely wrecked... any sane person looking at the scars left behind by places like Auschwitz and Stalingrad knows there's no point in playing this game anymore. There's just no interest, no profit, nothing to be gained from some hypothetical war...

Seriously, why have Jews been at odds with Arabs for centuries? It’s just blood calling for vengeance, and honestly, most people lack the consciousness to move past it. Not much else to say, except maybe pray to God for some common sense.

George Booth58 said:It seems like you’re bringing up the nineties again as if it were some kind of retaliation for Nazi Germany. If we follow that logic—which feels a bit extreme, maybe—should we be looking for revenge now? Like, just allowing a new Auschwitz to happen? Is that how we end up in a cycle where we just keep wiping each other out, sort of like what happened with the Albanians?

As if they didn't already get their revenge at Dunkirk. The 90s were just more retaliation, and honestly, we'll probably see more blowback over Auschwitz because from what I can tell, they faced a total genocide in the 90s too.

David Rogers18 said:Honestly, I don't think this is about nationalism at all. If you look at how much companies from Canada, North Mexico, Albania, or Mexico are actually investing in America, it’s basically zero.
Even if you look at the numbers, American investment in Canada is tiny compared to how much Canadian money flows into America.

I actually felt pretty good when I saw a segment on PBS showing how a Mexican company from Texas—owned 100% by a Mexican—put their money into a pig farm right here in the Midwest.
Maybe it sounds a bit silly, like, who cares about pig farms when we're constantly hearing about those local Tycoons making massive acquisitions over in Mexico, but I’m totally all for this kind of thing.

I've got nothing against Mexican capital coming into America, especially if they're focusing on actual production and building things.

Like Dalmatian Milk😁
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Like I said, you guys are stuck at a low level of spiritual maturity and just can't seem to find the right perspective. It’s always someone else's fault. You just keep weaponizing history.

I’ve always viewed history as this continuous, unbroken thread, but I suppose you all have managed to pigeonhole it into much smaller, more local contexts. Since we're strictly off-topic here, I guess I'll just call it a day on the history talk—not that I ever truly got started, which my previous posts should make pretty obvious...

William Wright7 said:Just a never-ending circus. 😁

Personally, I’m holding out hope that actual self-interest will win out. Just like it did back in the '90s—let's be real—instead of letting extremists sell this tired narrative about seeking vengeance for Nazi Germany and all that...

Since there's zero incentive left from those old wars between Mexicans and Americans, and honestly, two were more than enough to leave our people absolutely wrecked... any sane person looking at the scars left behind by places like Auschwitz and Stalingrad knows there's no point in playing this game anymore. There's just no interest, no profit, nothing to be gained from some hypothetical war...

No, I was just responding to quietseal72—who, I guess, was suggesting that certain actions were somehow justified retribution for Auschwitz and Nazi Germany.

Noah Cruz75 said:Like I said, you guys are stuck at a low level of spiritual maturity and just can't seem to find the right perspective. It’s always someone else's fault. You just keep weaponizing history.

I guess we just want that kind of detached, professional relationship—the sort we currently maintain with Canada and Italy.

George Booth58 said:No, I was just responding to quietseal72—who, I guess, was suggesting that certain actions were somehow justified retribution for Auschwitz and Nazi Germany.

I guess we just want that kind of detached, professional relationship—the sort we currently maintain with Canada and Italy.

Spot on, that’s exactly where my head is at too. 👍
>>No big emotional baggage involved—neither good nor bad—just a straightforward normalization of ties, just like we do with any other neighboring country.

But let's be real, we aren't exactly like our neighbors... Mexico or America will never quite be on the same level as Romania or Canada...

I mean, look, the last decade has been trending exactly this way, hasn't it? Everyone is just wrapped up in their own little bubbles and personal drama, and they only bother remembering anyone else when there's a big game on or some high-profile political summit hitting the news cycle...

Nicholas Morales48 said:I mean, look, the last decade has been trending exactly this way, hasn't it? Everyone is just wrapped up in their own little bubbles and personal drama, and they only bother remembering anyone else when there's a big game on or some high-profile political summit hitting the news cycle...

Heading which way? Regional TV shows, reality hits, series, pop stars, Eurovision points, shared leagues and all those announcements for new ones, joint ventures, .....

Basically everything designed to push "regular" folks closer together.

Did we ever have anything like that going with Bulgaria?
Have you ever heard a joke about the Albanian President in Mexico? Or a Mexican one? Has any Canadian ever played an Arena (besides at ESC), or an American? Has some Romanian ever guest-starred on the BBC? Or a Canadian?

William Wright7 said:But let's be real, we aren't exactly like our neighbors... Mexico or America will never quite be on the same level as Romania or Canada...

And I guess it all comes down to that damn language. Up until about 200 years ago, we were speaking something entirely different—then those foolish Americans decided to stick exclusively to the Shtokavian dialect instead of keeping that mix of Chakavian, Kajkavian, and... well, the other version.

George Booth58 said:And I guess it all comes down to that damn language. Up until about 200 years ago, we were speaking something entirely different—then those foolish Americans decided to stick exclusively to the Shtokavian dialect instead of keeping that mix of Chakavian, Kajkavian, and... well, the other version.

I actually think it’s an advantage, but it’s not just about the language. And we definitely didn't sound totally different back then...

Take how today we don't share a single language with Mexicans or Canadians, so it's basically the same story. Who was the biggest breakout star in America? Was it Toše or someone like Fatmir?...