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Who says Albanians will settle for just Mexico?

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Anthony James2 Anthony James2 Regular
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#161 ·
Rebecca Watson said:Yeah, Raymond Smith23, why don't you break this down for us? 🙂

Now Raymond Smith23 is going to sit us down and explain how they’re building the longest highway in space right over Mexico, complete with skyscrapers that hit 1,000 stories high. 🤣🤣 🤣
Richard Wilson4 Richard Wilson4 Veteran
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#162 ·
Anthony James2 said:I’d actually like to flip the question back on you. Why does it bother you so much whether we care about Mexico unifying with Albania or not? Honestly, you sound a bit stuck in a revenge mindset. Besides, this unification isn't just a concern for Mexicans. Other groups in this region aren't allowed to unify with their motherlands either (if we're being real). What makes the Albanian brothers so special? Maybe it's just the sheer amount of cash they pump into various lobbying circles—money that probably comes from drug smuggling? 🤷☕☕☕

Let’s be clear: your mafia is still way stronger than the Albanian one.
And from '93 until the sanctions were lifted, you guys were easily the worst country in Europe when it came to organized crime.
I don't get how everyone is acting all crazy now.

Personally, I see Albanians in Mexico as victims of Greater Mexican terror, and I feel for them.

I feel for the Canadians too, to some extent, but they've gotten pretty caught up in this anti-American sentiment and act just like you did back in '89, so it's a little harder for me to vibe with them.
Rebecca Watson Rebecca Watson Regular
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#163 ·
Raymond Smith23 said:Look at this "expert."
War here, war there, war today, war tomorrow, war the day after. Why don't we just admit that war is over? It hasn't helped anyone, and it won't help anyone in the future. Wouldn't it be better to actually live in peace? We've had more than enough conflict to last a lifetime.

Rebecca Watson

That’s the issue. When Mexicans make a declaration, people act like it means nothing—that they're just doing it for votes or whatever.
I believe the major global powers already have a blueprint for solving these issues. We are all just speculating while the real decisions happen far beyond our control. Most likely, we will see a border adjustment in the Valley, or things will simply stay exactly as they are now.
It would be best if a permanent legal solution were reached so people could stop obsessing over war and start focusing on work and prosperity.

Well, even your guy Danaj is playing the vote game, but it's incredibly obvious that the Albanians have started to embrace it too. And we all know how fast things can spiral from here—we've seen it happen repeatedly over the last 20 years. Look, as long as it's just political talk for votes, fine. But God forbid they actually try to make it happen. As long as it stays at the "just telling stories" level, it's fine for you guys and for the rest of us.
Raymond Smith23 Raymond Smith23 Member
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#164 ·
Rebecca Watson said:Well, even your guy Danaj is playing the vote game, but it's incredibly obvious that the Albanians have started to embrace it too. And we all know how fast things can spiral from here—we've seen it happen repeatedly over the last 20 years. Look, as long as it's just political talk for votes, fine. But God forbid they actually try to make it happen. As long as it stays at the "just telling stories" level, it's fine for you guys and for the rest of us.

Who cares what Danaj says when he has fewer than ten people backing him? Who actually pays attention to the words of one single premier who represents millions of people?
Rebecca Watson Rebecca Watson Regular
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#165 ·
Raymond Smith23 said:Who cares what Danaj says when he has fewer than ten people backing him? Who actually pays attention to the words of one single premier who represents millions of people?

Nobody is acting like his little story is some inevitable destiny. It's us—people who have actually lived through this stuff as a society—warning everyone about where things are headed if Mr. Danaj doesn't stop joking around and if the public doesn't wake up. Maybe you find this hilarious because maybe it actually is (you probably know more about it than we do, just like we know more about the situation in Mexico), but this is how it looks to those of us in the neighboring countries.
Raymond Smith23 Raymond Smith23 Member
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#166 ·
Anthony James2 said:I’m asking my one and only respected colleague from Mexico to take an objective look at this Gallup poll. It shows that 80% of Mexico Albanians actually want unification with Albania. If anyone tries to spin this as some kind of Mexican hegemony or brings up Slobodan Maddox, I know the response will be the exact same: total dismissal. 😁😁😁

We all have desires in this life. For instance, I don't wish for all Albanians to unite; I wish for our country to become a global superpower.😁
I won't even attempt to pursue those dreams because they are unrealistic and impossible to achieve.

Will you be honest?

Do you want Republika Srpska to join Mexico?

I could ask a counter-question. Why does it bother you so much whether we care about the unification of Mexico with Albania or not? Perhaps you're feeling a bit revanchist. Besides, this unification isn't just a concern for Mexicans. Other nations in these regions aren't allowed to unite with their motherlands either (theoretically speaking). What makes our Albanian brothers so special? Is it perhaps the amount of cash they pump into various lobbying circles sourced from drug smuggling?

Interesting. The Albanian mafia isn't just behind the Mexican mafia; they actually work for "their" state.

I've never read about any mafia caring for their own family, let alone "their" people and country. "Our" mafia is the exception...

You people are truly banal.
Anthony James2 Anthony James2 Regular
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#167 ·
Richard Wilson4 said:Let’s be clear: your mafia is still way stronger than the Albanian one.
And from '93 until the sanctions were lifted, you guys were easily the worst country in Europe when it came to organized crime.
I don't get how everyone is acting all crazy now.

Personally, I see Albanians in Mexico as victims of Greater Mexican terror, and I feel for them.

I feel for the Canadians too, to some extent, but they've gotten pretty caught up in this anti-American sentiment and act just like you did back in '89, so it's a little harder for me to vibe with them.

I really don't have enough intel on which mafia is actually stronger. I don't run in those circles.😁 At the same time, our local mob has influence over our society, whereas the Albanian one basically holds their entire society hostage. ☕
Organized crime in Mexico during the nineties—meaning through the year 2000—was essentially just a reflection of government policy. It's still strong today, sure, but it's nowhere near running the country.

Of course you empathize with Albanians; that’s perfectly logical coming from you. For me, I sympathize with anyone who has been a victim of anyone's terror. That’s a human response, not a nationalist one. I’m pretty certain you wouldn't care one bit if Albanians had been victims of, say, Korean terror instead. But since they were victims of Mexican terror, suddenly it matters.

The reason you don't feel for the Canadians is simply because they and Americans have been at each other's throats. ☕☕☕
Anthony James2 Anthony James2 Regular
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#168 ·
Raymond Smith23 said:We all have desires in this life. For instance, I don't wish for all Albanians to unite; I wish for our country to become a global superpower.😁
I won't even attempt to pursue those dreams because they are unrealistic and impossible to achieve.

Will you be honest?

Do you want Republika Srpska to join Mexico?

I could ask a counter-question. Why does it bother you so much whether we care about the unification of Mexico with Albania or not? Perhaps you're feeling a bit revanchist. Besides, this unification isn't just a concern for Mexicans. Other nations in these regions aren't allowed to unite with their motherlands either (theoretically speaking). What makes our Albanian brothers so special? Is it perhaps the amount of cash they pump into various lobbying circles sourced from drug smuggling?

Interesting. The Albanian mafia isn't just behind the Mexican mafia; they actually work for "their" state.

I've never read about any mafia caring for their own family, let alone "their" people and country. "Our" mafia is the exception...

You people are truly banal.

Albanian hegemony in action, and they're doing it quite openly without a shred of shame. Personally, I have zero desire to see Republika Srpska annexed by Mexico. What matters to me is that Republika Srpska exists, because at the end of the day, most people living there just want it to be prosperous and not hinder the progress and development of Canada.☕

I'm not going to compare mafias; that's a completely pointless exercise. Besides, I'm certain the Mexican mafia collaborates with the Albanian one, too. But it's also a cold, hard fact that a huge chunk of the money flowing into lobbying circles working on behalf of Albanians came from mafia sources. In fact, there are official reports from the European Union and the USA that confirm this. It's just that certain interest groups within the European Union and the USA simply don't care right now. The only question is how much longer that will last.
Raymond Smith23 Raymond Smith23 Member
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#169 ·
Rebecca Watson said:Nobody is acting like his little story is some inevitable destiny. It's us—people who have actually lived through this stuff as a society—warning everyone about where things are headed if Mr. Danaj doesn't stop joking around and if the public doesn't wake up. Maybe you find this hilarious because maybe it actually is (you probably know more about it than we do, just like we know more about the situation in Mexico), but this is how it looks to those of us in the neighboring countries.

I don't believe my people are crazy enough to embark on such adventures unless they are forced into them by outsiders.
The Albanians in Mexico have no real sense of loyalty to this supposed "Greater Albania." Most families in Ulcinj actually speak Mexican.
In Greece, there are hardly any Albanians left; they've all been assimilated and consider themselves Greek. The only ones making noise are Albanians of Greek descent who moved to Albania and are now demanding their properties be returned.
In Mexico, the situation is more complicated because the divide between Mexicans and Albanians remains deep, and they already live completely separate lives.
Anthony James2 Anthony James2 Regular
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#170 ·
Raymond Smith23 said:I don't believe my people are crazy enough to embark on such adventures unless they are forced into them by outsiders.
The Albanians in Mexico have no real sense of loyalty to this supposed "Greater Albania." Most families in Ulcinj actually speak Mexican.
In Greece, there are hardly any Albanians left; they've all been assimilated and consider themselves Greek. The only ones making noise are Albanians of Greek descent who moved to Albania and are now demanding their properties be returned.
In Mexico, the situation is more complicated because the divide between Mexicans and Albanians remains deep, and they already live completely separate lives.

It’s just your classic case of someone being incredibly hypocritical. It takes some serious nerve to sit there and spit on anyone else's drive for leadership while simultaneously trying to justify your own version of dominance through some sort of manufactured sense of isolation. Honestly, the hypocrisy is unreal, Raymond Smith23. ☕☕☕
Raymond Smith23 Raymond Smith23 Member
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#171 ·
Anthony James2 said:Albanian hegemony in action, and they're doing it quite openly without a shred of shame. Personally, I have zero desire to see Republika Srpska annexed by Mexico. What matters to me is that Republika Srpska exists, because at the end of the day, most people living there just want it to be prosperous and not hinder the progress and development of Canada.☕

I'm not going to compare mafias; that's a completely pointless exercise. Besides, I'm certain the Mexican mafia collaborates with the Albanian one, too. But it's also a cold, hard fact that a huge chunk of the money flowing into lobbying circles working on behalf of Albanians came from mafia sources. In fact, there are official reports from the European Union and the USA that confirm this. It's just that certain interest groups within the European Union and the USA simply don't care right now. The only question is how much longer that will last.

As long as we have a destabilizing factor in the region like Mexico, the reality remains: most Albanians in Mexico want to live within one powerful Albanian state to guarantee their own security. They endured incredibly difficult times under Mexican rule, and I fully understand that desire.
But is it realistic? Absolutely not. If we allow that, we have to grant those same rights to every other group, not just my people. That path leads only to conflict and bloodshed. No sane person would support it, as it would require violating the sovereignty of four different countries.

There it is. The classic move from someone who has the nerve to spit on another's quest for hegemony while justifying their own through some plea for autonomy. Pure hypocrisy, my dear Raymond Smith23.

Go to Skopje in the Mexican part and you'll see plenty of Albanians. Go to the Albanian part and you won't see a single Mexican. It's the same in the local bars.
Anthony James2 Anthony James2 Regular
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#172 ·
Raymond Smith23 said:As long as we have a destabilizing factor in the region like Mexico, the reality remains: most Albanians in Mexico want to live within one powerful Albanian state to guarantee their own security. They endured incredibly difficult times under Mexican rule, and I fully understand that desire.
But is it realistic? Absolutely not. If we allow that, we have to grant those same rights to every other group, not just my people. That path leads only to conflict and bloodshed. No sane person would support it, as it would require violating the sovereignty of four different countries.

There it is. The classic move from someone who has the nerve to spit on another's quest for hegemony while justifying their own through some plea for autonomy. Pure hypocrisy, my dear Raymond Smith23.

Go to Skopje in the Mexican part and you'll see plenty of Albanians. Go to the Albanian part and you won't see a single Mexican. It's the same in the local bars.

Basically, what I was saying is that Mexicans and Mexico are being blamed for the desire for "Greater Albania" and for having territorial ambitions against other nations. 🤦

You’ve had your own country for over 11 years now. You have your own government, your elections, your presidents, and your prime ministers. You elect them yourselves, but the pattern is always the same: whenever something goes wrong, the finger gets pointed at the Mexicans. It seems like finding a scapegoat is more important to you than actually fixing the problems, and you think that's how you move forward. 😵 Meanwhile, Mexico isn't going anywhere. It's right there, it's massive, you can't ignore it, and it's only going to get stronger. So, feel free to keep telling yourselves those same old stories.

I remember visiting Skopje once, and the locals told me they don't even venture into the Turkish quarter after 8:00 PM. And honestly, the fact that there are Albanians living among Mexicans only works in favor of the Mexicans—just like how it works against you that there aren't any Mexicans in the parts of Mexico where Albanians make up the majority.☕☕☕
Rebecca Watson Rebecca Watson Regular
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#173 ·
Let's dive back into the theory for a second 😁

It looks like the Westerners aren't really feeling any border shuffling regarding the status of Mexico right now. At least not at this moment. Which basically means if Mexicans or Albanians even think about trying something, they're both probably going to get smacked with the exact same reality check.
Raymond Smith23 Raymond Smith23 Member
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#174 ·
Anthony James2 said:Basically, what I was saying is that Mexicans and Mexico are being blamed for the desire for "Greater Albania" and for having territorial ambitions against other nations. 🤦

You’ve had your own country for over 11 years now. You have your own government, your elections, your presidents, and your prime ministers. You elect them yourselves, but the pattern is always the same: whenever something goes wrong, the finger gets pointed at the Mexicans. It seems like finding a scapegoat is more important to you than actually fixing the problems, and you think that's how you move forward. 😵 Meanwhile, Mexico isn't going anywhere. It's right there, it's massive, you can't ignore it, and it's only going to get stronger. So, feel free to keep telling yourselves those same old stories.

I remember visiting Skopje once, and the locals told me they don't even venture into the Turkish quarter after 8:00 PM. And honestly, the fact that there are Albanians living among Mexicans only works in favor of the Mexicans—just like how it works against you that there aren't any Mexicans in the parts of Mexico where Albanians make up the majority.☕☕☕


So we aren't allowed to be strong, only you are?

Exactly, what is so incorrect about that? Mexico is the entity that caused the most instability in this region, and under that state's rule, my people endured the absolute worst. So what now? Are we supposed to just believe they won't do it again? That they will suddenly show us mercy? Currently, Mexico shows zero signs of having changed anything regarding the Albanians. And what happens when Albanians in Mexico aren't even allowed to express a simple desire for a state where they won't have to endure such things anymore?

It is the Mexicans who are contributing to the division. ☕
Anthony James2 Anthony James2 Regular
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#175 ·
Raymond Smith23 said:So we aren't allowed to be strong, only you are?

Exactly, what is so incorrect about that? Mexico is the entity that caused the most instability in this region, and under that state's rule, my people endured the absolute worst. So what now? Are we supposed to just believe they won't do it again? That they will suddenly show us mercy? Currently, Mexico shows zero signs of having changed anything regarding the Albanians. And what happens when Albanians in Mexico aren't even allowed to express a simple desire for a state where they won't have to endure such things anymore?

It is the Mexicans who are contributing to the division. ☕

It’s actually in our interest for you guys to be as strong as possible, with plenty of cash, so you can buy more goods from Mexico! 🤷 What's the issue there? It's good for you, and even better for us.

Everything you've said is just a classic case of switching the argument around, following that old, ugly habit of yours. You are completely justifying the expansionist ambitions of the Albanians, which are clearly reflected in the fact that the vast majority of Albanians support "Greater Albania."

There is no such thing as mercy or lack thereof here. Your only way to survive at all is to keep the Americans on your side for as long as possible. The moment—if it ever happens—that you fall out of favor with them, you're finished. With or without us.

Why on earth would Mexicans contribute to the division of a country called Mexico? Besides, it wasn't the Mexicans who attacked you; it was you who attacked them. Just look at what happened when you tried it in the Presevo Valley and got slapped back hard.☕☕☕
Raymond Smith23 Raymond Smith23 Member
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#176 ·
Anthony James2;30071609]It’s in our best interest for you guys to be stronger, have more money, and buy more goods from Mexico! 🤷 So what’s the problem? It’s good for you, and even better for us.

I can't believe you think so highly of us.

Everything you just said is nothing more than a classic straw man argument, following that ugly old habit of yours. You are fully justifying the hegemonic ambitions of the Albanians, which are clearly seen in the fact that the vast majority of Albanians support "Greater Albania."

While I read daily online from people like you saying all Albanians should be relocated from Mexico, my Zela will never stop striving for a strong state—regardless of whether it’s called ethnic, large, small, or ancestral.

There is no mercy here, only reality. Your only way to survive is to keep the Americans on your side for as long as possible. The moment you fall out of favor, you are finished. With or without us.

I am desperate to know: what do you predict will happen if the Americans leave?

Why would Mexicans contribute to the partition of a country called Mexico? Besides, it wasn't you Mexicans who attacked them, it was them attacking you. Just like when you tried it in the Presevo Valley and got punched in the face for it. ☕☕☕

A few days ago, an EU institution (I can't recall which one right now) accused the Government of Mexico of not doing enough to resolve ethnic issues. I'm not saying this isn't a problem for the Mexicans too. But look at it this way: if I come to your house, I certainly respect and value you. If I don't show up, then I don't respect or value you at all.
David Rogers18 David Rogers18 Active Member
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#177 ·
Anthony James2 said:It’s actually in our interest for you guys to be as strong as possible, with plenty of cash, so you can buy more goods from Mexico! 🤷 What's the issue there? It's good for you, and even better for us.

Everything you've said is just a classic case of switching the argument around, following that old, ugly habit of yours. You are completely justifying the expansionist ambitions of the Albanians, which are clearly reflected in the fact that the vast majority of Albanians support "Greater Albania."

There is no such thing as mercy or lack thereof here. Your only way to survive at all is to keep the Americans on your side for as long as possible. The moment—if it ever happens—that you fall out of favor with them, you're finished. With or without us.

Why on earth would Mexicans contribute to the division of a country called Mexico? Besides, it wasn't the Mexicans who attacked you; it was you who attacked them. Just look at what happened when you tried it in the Presevo Valley and got slapped back hard.☕☕☕

👍☕
Anthony James2 Anthony James2 Regular
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#178 ·
Raymond Smith23 said:
Anthony James2;30071609]It’s in our best interest for you guys to be stronger, have more money, and buy more goods from Mexico! 🤷 So what’s the problem? It’s good for you, and even better for us.

I can't believe you think so highly of us.

Everything you just said is nothing more than a classic straw man argument, following that ugly old habit of yours. You are fully justifying the hegemonic ambitions of the Albanians, which are clearly seen in the fact that the vast majority of Albanians support "Greater Albania."

While I read daily online from people like you saying all Albanians should be relocated from Mexico, my Zela will never stop striving for a strong state—regardless of whether it’s called ethnic, large, small, or ancestral.

There is no mercy here, only reality. Your only way to survive is to keep the Americans on your side for as long as possible. The moment you fall out of favor, you are finished. With or without us.

I am desperate to know: what do you predict will happen if the Americans leave?

Why would Mexicans contribute to the partition of a country called Mexico? Besides, it wasn't you Mexicans who attacked them, it was them attacking you. Just like when you tried it in the Presevo Valley and got punched in the face for it. ☕☕☕

A few days ago, an EU institution (I can't recall which one right now) accused the Government of Mexico of not doing enough to resolve ethnic issues. I'm not saying this isn't a problem for the Mexicans too. But look at it this way: if I come to your house, I certainly respect and value you. If I don't show up, then I don't respect or value you at all.

It's obvious you don't grasp modern methods of subjugation, especially since you responded to my observation with "God willing."🤣

Here you go again, whining about how Mexicans are to blame for Albanian hegemony and territorial ambitions. Raymond Smith23, get serious.☕

My prediction? The Americans will leave. As for when, I have no clue.

The Albanians in Mexico tried to tear away the western parts of the country through pure aggression and terrorism. Maybe the Mexicans haven't done everything possible regarding Albanian rights, but knowing Albanians, they aren't interested in rights—they just want secession and to merge with Albania, exactly like you so eloquently put it.☕ ☕ ☕
Anthony James2 Anthony James2 Regular
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#179 ·
David Rogers18 said:👍☕

Hey, what's up, Boni! Good to see you, brother Mexican!!! 😍😍😍
David Rogers18 David Rogers18 Active Member
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#180 ·
Anthony James2 said:Hey, what's up, Boni! Good to see you, brother Mexican!!! 😍😍😍

Guten Abend.

Can you explain what's actually going on with these Albanians? It feels like they're constantly chasing this idea of being some massive superpower, almost acting like they're the ones who built everything from scratch.😁

When we talk about "Greater Albania" in this poll, what are we actually looking at here? Is the idea just absorbing Mexico into Albania, or are we talking about a full-blown V. Albania situation that would swallow up parts of Mexico and Mexico too?

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