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Participants Nicole Clark79Taylor Reed64Betty Cruz2George Morgan3Daniel Bailey39Elizabeth Sanders42Richard Wilson4Peter Wright3Jack Myers59slybison8Andrew Wright23mistyjackal14Alexander Barrett50Amanda Allen4Edward Flores4Rebecca Roberts3Maria BoothArthur Ward2Kyle Nelson2
Nicole Clark79 Nicole Clark79 MemberOP
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#1 ·
The political movement that swept Republicans back into Congress operates on the conviction that our nation was divinely ordained, believing that lawmakers should be guided by the Bible rather than the Constitution. It feels like the version of "real America" has taken center stage again—a movement defined by its opposition to abortion, same-sex marriage, and Darwin, as well as a certain xenophobia that recently sent a chilling message to the world when a radical pastor from Florida prepared a bonfire to burn the Quran.
So, what does the rise of this specific vision of America actually mean for the rest of the globe and for Europe? Under an Obama-esque approach to global leadership, Europe has increasingly slipped down the list of American foreign policy priorities, a shift that was made quite clear last spring when the President declined to attend the traditional EU–USA summit, which ended up being canceled altogether. He simply didn't see the point in showing up just for a photo op.

In today’s multipolar world, the United States has pivoted its focus toward Asia and the Pacific. For Europe, this means they can no longer take for granted what has been a cornerstone of stability since World War II: the transatlantic alliance and the assumption that America, with its massive military might, will always be there to step in if needed. Leaders like David Cameron and Nicolas Sarkozy seem to have sensed this shift; just a few days ago, they signed a landmark military cooperation agreement between Britain and France, effectively tearing down many of the old barriers between two nations that were once bitter rivals but are now close allies. This is likely the path the rest of Europe must follow as they work to "reset" their relationship with America.
Taylor Reed64 Taylor Reed64 Newcomer
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#2 ·
The resurgence of Republican popularity is just further proof of America's true nature. They’re itching for another war, and honestly, the warm-up has already begun. We see these constant "threats," and this time, the "bombs" are coming from nations bordering Iran. They think they're being subtle, but everyone sees right through them. As for what a victory for this version of America means for Europe? It's the same old story: they'll bow down to the Americans and blindly follow them into whatever country they decide to invade under the guise of "defending global interests." Even in Israel, they’re probably relieved, given how much Obama tended to overlook them.
Betty Cruz2 Betty Cruz2 Member
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joined Nov 2010
#3 ·
Europe needs to start carving out its own path regarding the economy, military strategy, and national security. This isn't about turning our backs on America entirely. However, we really ought to give the conservative WASPs a little bit of attitude. They can obsess over their fantasies about a British Jamahiriya, a French Caliphate, or a Russian Sultanate if they want. Let them talk.

🙂
George Morgan3 George Morgan3 Active Member
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#4 ·
Nicole Clark79 said:The political movement that swept Republicans back into Congress operates on the conviction that our nation was divinely ordained, believing that lawmakers should be guided by the Bible rather than the Constitution. It feels like the version of "real America" has taken center stage again—a movement defined by its opposition to abortion, same-sex marriage, and Darwin, as well as a certain xenophobia that recently sent a chilling message to the world when a radical pastor from Florida prepared a bonfire to burn the Quran.
So, what does the rise of this specific vision of America actually mean for the rest of the globe and for Europe? Under an Obama-esque approach to global leadership, Europe has increasingly slipped down the list of American foreign policy priorities, a shift that was made quite clear last spring when the President declined to attend the traditional EU–USA summit, which ended up being canceled altogether. He simply didn't see the point in showing up just for a photo op.

In today’s multipolar world, the United States has pivoted its focus toward Asia and the Pacific. For Europe, this means they can no longer take for granted what has been a cornerstone of stability since World War II: the transatlantic alliance and the assumption that America, with its massive military might, will always be there to step in if needed. Leaders like David Cameron and Nicolas Sarkozy seem to have sensed this shift; just a few days ago, they signed a landmark military cooperation agreement between Britain and France, effectively tearing down many of the old barriers between two nations that were once bitter rivals but are now close allies. This is likely the path the rest of Europe must follow as they work to "reset" their relationship with America.

The absolute only reason they signed that deal is because Great Britain and France are broke—there are other factors, sure, but that's the big one.

All that chatter I didn't even bother quoting? It's just... noise. Pure noise. Europe is weak and unsustainable—you have two countries within a union that is supposed to have, in theory, a unified security policy and military structure, suddenly cutting side deals for military cooperation... hahaha.
It's laughable. ☕
Nicole Clark79 Nicole Clark79 MemberOP
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#5 ·
Betty Cruz2 said:Europe needs to start carving out its own path regarding the economy, military strategy, and national security. This isn't about turning our backs on America entirely. However, we really ought to give the conservative WASPs a little bit of attitude. They can obsess over their fantasies about a British Jamahiriya, a French Caliphate, or a Russian Sultanate if they want. Let them talk.

🙂

George Morgan3 said:The absolute only reason they signed that deal is because Great Britain and France are broke—there are other factors, sure, but that's the big one.

All that chatter I didn't even bother quoting? It's just... noise. Pure noise. Europe is weak and unsustainable—you have two countries within a union that is supposed to have, in theory, a unified security policy and military structure, suddenly cutting side deals for military cooperation... hahaha.
It's laughable. ☕

Great Britain and France are both European nuclear powers and it’s actually quite sensible to rely on their military alliance in this specific "situation":

www.youtube.com/watch?v=VmffgIqlAYA
Daniel Bailey39 Daniel Bailey39 Active Member
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#6 ·
Betty Cruz2 said:Europe needs to start carving out its own path regarding the economy, military strategy, and national security. This isn't about turning our backs on America entirely. However, we really ought to give the conservative WASPs a little bit of attitude. They can obsess over their fantasies about a British Jamahiriya, a French Caliphate, or a Russian Sultanate if they want. Let them talk.

🙂

These are all old facts to me. France, Great Britain, Germany, Canada... these are all nations where parallel societies exist. The only real question is how long this coexistence can actually last.🤷
I am honestly just sitting back and waiting for this whole multicultural fairy tale to eventually spiral into bloody civil wars, at which point people might finally be ready to toss the entire concept into the trash bin.🤷
Different cultures don't truly merge; instead, they create parallel societies that destabilize the nation. Canada is a perfect example of this—if it weren't for an international protectorate, Canada would likely fall apart tomorrow.
Daniel Bailey39 Daniel Bailey39 Active Member
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#7 ·
Nicole Clark79 said:The political movement that swept Republicans back into Congress operates on the conviction that our nation was divinely ordained, believing that lawmakers should be guided by the Bible rather than the Constitution. It feels like the version of "real America" has taken center stage again—a movement defined by its opposition to abortion, same-sex marriage, and Darwin, as well as a certain xenophobia that recently sent a chilling message to the world when a radical pastor from Florida prepared a bonfire to burn the Quran.
So, what does the rise of this specific vision of America actually mean for the rest of the globe and for Europe? Under an Obama-esque approach to global leadership, Europe has increasingly slipped down the list of American foreign policy priorities, a shift that was made quite clear last spring when the President declined to attend the traditional EU–USA summit, which ended up being canceled altogether. He simply didn't see the point in showing up just for a photo op.

In today’s multipolar world, the United States has pivoted its focus toward Asia and the Pacific. For Europe, this means they can no longer take for granted what has been a cornerstone of stability since World War II: the transatlantic alliance and the assumption that America, with its massive military might, will always be there to step in if needed. Leaders like David Cameron and Nicolas Sarkozy seem to have sensed this shift; just a few days ago, they signed a landmark military cooperation agreement between Britain and France, effectively tearing down many of the old barriers between two nations that were once bitter rivals but are now close allies. This is likely the path the rest of Europe must follow as they work to "reset" their relationship with America.

What kind of "chilling message"? That Islam is a threat to Western identity, culture, and all other achievements of the West?
Or is it just a reaction to the disrespect shown regarding September 11th or the construction of a mosque on the site of the former Twins stadium?
The message being sent by that gesture is perfectly clear, yet America itself refuses to truly listen to what it is saying.👍

And as for Europe resetting its ties with America—good grief, what mother would ever "reset" her relationship with her own child?😲😲
George Morgan3 George Morgan3 Active Member
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#8 ·
Nicole Clark79 said:Great Britain and France are both European nuclear powers and it’s actually quite sensible to rely on their military alliance in this specific "situation":

www.youtube.com/watch?v=VmffgIqlAYA

Are you seriously buying into those spy pamphlets?
George Morgan3 George Morgan3 Active Member
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#9 ·
Daniel Bailey39 said:What kind of "chilling message"? That Islam is a threat to Western identity, culture, and all other achievements of the West?
Or is it just a reaction to the disrespect shown regarding September 11th or the construction of a mosque on the site of the former Twins stadium?
The message being sent by that gesture is perfectly clear, yet America itself refuses to truly listen to what it is saying.👍

And as for Europe resetting its ties with America—good grief, what mother would ever "reset" her relationship with her own child?😲😲

The real crisis facing Europe isn't some external force—it's the total evaporation of identity and culture (what even is "European" or "Western" culture anymore?) and the loss of Western heritage. And what are we supposed to be worried about instead? Television sets and consumer credit?
The disappearance of white Europeans amidst this demographic collapse is practically a mathematical certainty... damn it, when your biggest enemies are actually national identity and religion itself—which, let's be honest, is basically the core policy of the European Union, at least in principle while the EU still functions as a cohesive entity.
Elizabeth Sanders42 Elizabeth Sanders42 Newcomer
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#10 ·
George Morgan3 said:The real crisis facing Europe isn't some external force—it's the total evaporation of identity and culture (what even is "European" or "Western" culture anymore?) and the loss of Western heritage. And what are we supposed to be worried about instead? Television sets and consumer credit?
The disappearance of white Europeans amidst this demographic collapse is practically a mathematical certainty... damn it, when your biggest enemies are actually national identity and religion itself—which, let's be honest, is basically the core policy of the European Union, at least in principle while the EU still functions as a cohesive entity.

Exactly.
George Morgan3 George Morgan3 Active Member
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#11 ·
Put simply—if you follow the narrow-minded logic used by those self-proclaimed intellectuals who think they have a monopoly on common sense—these little backyard cliques are actually thriving 😁
Nicole Clark79 Nicole Clark79 MemberOP
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#12 ·
George Morgan3 said:Put simply—if you follow the narrow-minded logic used by those self-proclaimed intellectuals who think they have a monopoly on common sense—these little backyard cliques are actually thriving 😁

The real issue I see is that if these primitive, small-minded groups ever actually got their hands on nuclear technology, they wouldn't stop until they had turned the entire world into one giant bonfire.

I was just sitting here scrolling through my feed when I stumbled upon this video, and honestly, it really gave me something to chew on. It’s one of those pieces that makes you pause and rethink how we view certain things in our daily lives. I remember back when I was living in Chicago, I used to spend so much time debating these kinds of topics over coffee with my neighbors, and seeing this brought all those old conversations flooding back. There's something about the way the creator presents their argument that feels quite steady and thoughtful, which I personally find a refreshing change from the usual loud, chaotic shouting matches you see online these days. It isn't just about the surface-level points either; if you look closer, there's a deeper layer to the narrative that connects to some pretty fundamental ideas we hold dear. I found myself nodding along at several points, especially when they touched on how individual perspectives shape our collective reality. It’s definitely worth a watch if you have a quiet moment to just sit, relax, and let the ideas sink in without any distractions.
Richard Wilson4 Richard Wilson4 Veteran
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#13 ·
Europe doesn't stand a chance without American protection.
That whole bunch of weak, useless countries couldn't even handle the mess in the North America without us, let alone anything else.
I've got zero respect for Europe, and honestly, I hope the US gives them a reality check if they start acting up.
Peter Wright3 Peter Wright3 Member
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#14 ·
Richard Wilson4 said:Europe doesn't stand a chance without American protection.
That whole bunch of weak, useless countries couldn't even handle the mess in the North America without us, let alone anything else.
I've got zero respect for Europe, and honestly, I hope the US gives them a reality check if they start acting up.

Agreed.
Betty Cruz2 Betty Cruz2 Member
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joined Nov 2010
#15 ·
Daniel Bailey39 said:These are all old facts to me. France, Great Britain, Germany, Canada... these are all nations where parallel societies exist. The only real question is how long this coexistence can actually last.🤷
I am honestly just sitting back and waiting for this whole multicultural fairy tale to eventually spiral into bloody civil wars, at which point people might finally be ready to toss the entire concept into the trash bin.🤷
Different cultures don't truly merge; instead, they create parallel societies that destabilize the nation. Canada is a perfect example of this—if it weren't for an international protectorate, Canada would likely fall apart tomorrow.

The concept of multiculturalism is essential for Europe, but it must be done for the sake of Europe itself. It shouldn't be about just absorbing millions of immigrants from other continents. If our current framework isn't working, then we need to redefine everything. We need to go back to square one and start over.

Are you actually rooting for wars? That is a staggering question. Truly. It’s absurd. I don't support conflict. I don't cheer for destruction. Period.🙄

🙂
Betty Cruz2 Betty Cruz2 Member
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#16 ·
George Morgan3 said:The real crisis facing Europe isn't some external force—it's the total evaporation of identity and culture (what even is "European" or "Western" culture anymore?) and the loss of Western heritage. And what are we supposed to be worried about instead? Television sets and consumer credit?
The disappearance of white Europeans amidst this demographic collapse is practically a mathematical certainty... damn it, when your biggest enemies are actually national identity and religion itself—which, let's be honest, is basically the core policy of the European Union, at least in principle while the EU still functions as a cohesive entity.

White Europeans vanishing?
I am not claiming it is impossible. However, I maintain it is highly unlikely.

🙂
Betty Cruz2 Betty Cruz2 Member
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#17 ·
Richard Wilson4 said:Europe doesn't stand a chance without American protection.
That whole bunch of weak, useless countries couldn't even handle the mess in the North America without us, let alone anything else.
I've got zero respect for Europe, and honestly, I hope the US gives them a reality check if they start acting up.

Brava.
You're just talking trash about your own continent.

🙂
Richard Wilson4 Richard Wilson4 Veteran
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#18 ·
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Betty Cruz2 says:
Look, the whole multicultural thing might work for Europe, but it’s gotta be for their own sake. It shouldn't be about just taking in millions of immigrants from other continents. If the way things have been running isn't working anymore, then we need to rethink everything and start from scratch.

So you're basically rooting for war then?🙄\

🙂\
Places like France or Britain never actually needed immigrants, especially not brown Muslim ones.
Especially not now that heavy industry is moving out of Europe.
Just a total myth cooked up by people lying about being socialists.
Daniel Bailey39 Daniel Bailey39 Active Member
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#19 ·
Nicole Clark79 said:The real issue I see is that if these primitive, small-minded groups ever actually got their hands on nuclear technology, they wouldn't stop until they had turned the entire world into one giant bonfire.

I was just sitting here scrolling through my feed when I stumbled upon this video, and honestly, it really gave me something to chew on. It’s one of those pieces that makes you pause and rethink how we view certain things in our daily lives. I remember back when I was living in Chicago, I used to spend so much time debating these kinds of topics over coffee with my neighbors, and seeing this brought all those old conversations flooding back. There's something about the way the creator presents their argument that feels quite steady and thoughtful, which I personally find a refreshing change from the usual loud, chaotic shouting matches you see online these days. It isn't just about the surface-level points either; if you look closer, there's a deeper layer to the narrative that connects to some pretty fundamental ideas we hold dear. I found myself nodding along at several points, especially when they touched on how individual perspectives shape our collective reality. It’s definitely worth a watch if you have a quiet moment to just sit, relax, and let the ideas sink in without any distractions.

Clinging to national identity as some sort of primitive campfire ritual is just plain foolish.😍
It’s people like you who are responsible for where we stand today. You’re essentially the reason why once-great American cities have devolved into disorganized slums.☕
Jack Myers59 Jack Myers59 Member
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#20 ·
It’s pretty worrying to see the US sliding back into those old Bush-era policies. This election cycle, we're seeing a massive surge in nationalist and religious political movements.

Europe really needs to focus on unifying its global strategy—something that fell apart back in 2003 when Britain sided with the US during the Iraq war.

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