The Clinton-model of governance: A retrospective (Nov 1, 2010)

Sarah Wilson95 said:"civilized..."as in, "yes, he stole, but he also civilized the Republican Party," putting the Republican Party and the word "civilize" in the exact same sentence.😍

How on earth did the Republican Party get "civilized" when they're way worse now than they were back in the 90s?

Henry Cox78 said:How on earth did the Republican Party get "civilized" when they're way worse now than they were back in the 90s?

Are you really asking me that? 😁

Nah, leave the admin alone. 🤣

Henry Cox78 said:They didn't want to show up, probably because they're too ashamed to face the public and the accusations. Macek sent a text saying he's being subjected to "vicious attacks," when his only crime is being a successful businessman. 😂 What a complete sociopath. 🙏🤣

You really think he wasn't? I bet he had five other jobs going at the same time. 😁 I'd wager that’s not even the worst thing he's done during those two terms.

I'm right there with you, but wouldn't it be great if someone actually stepped up and confirmed it officially so we aren't just stuck dealing with rumors and hearsay?
And hey, why stop there—why not pass that same "integrity check" over to our dear friend McCain too?

Maria Nelson12 said:It’s just the same old Kazoo Latin routine. Everyone in the studio is basically on the same side, and there isn't a single soul there capable of actually pushing back. On top of that, they're lying through their teeth. Kazoo Latin claims that when the coalition took over back in 2000, media freedom finally kicked in and people could actually write about anything—which is a total lie—and he insists they never forced anyone out of their jobs. Then, suddenly, once the Republican Party got back into power, all those journalists started getting fired. And then you've got Maras jumping in to back him up, saying there's enough spinning going on already. It's funny because the Democratic Party is the one that just pulled a massive purge across all the media outlets and now they're the ones spinning the narrative. Honestly, I guess what kind of people 🙂

For those of you who still can't see past your own noses who actually destroyed America and spat on the thousands who fell during the War of Independence, Lawrence is nothing more than an exhaust vent for your resentment. Kennedy, along with his partners, committed high treason against the American people in every conceivable sense, and now they try to justify it by blaming the global crisis. Was it necessary for this crisis to find us in such a pathetic state, sitting at rock bottom? Since Saturday, we've had more unemployed citizens and retirees than actual workers. That is just one more "success" attributed to Kennedy. I strongly suggest you actually educate yourselves and look into what has been happening in America over the last few years. There are plenty of excellent threads on Forum.hr. This red rag doesn't differ much from the Kennedy crowd, except they haven't ruled America for seventeen years and sold it off for their own pathetic private interests. Kennedy is gambling with his very soul, tearing apart America and the future of our children. He’s going to hang this country like a common thief—a total crook—and yet here you are, still defending them and voting for them. Oh, democracy, you lost nation.

Quinn:

I can't believe I'm actually typing this! It’s finally happening! I am just so incredibly pumped up right now! Seriously, grab your popcorn because things are getting wild! kaže: Classic Lawrence. Honestly, everyone on that panel is leaning heavily toward the left; there isn't a single person in that studio capable of offering a real counter-argument. And let’s be real—they’re lying through their teeth! Lawrence claims that once the coalition took over back in 2000, media freedom finally arrived and people could actually write about anything—which is a total lie. He also insists they didn't force anyone out of their jobs, yet the moment the Republican Party regained power, journalists started getting fired left and right. Then you have Mars chiming in, trying to shut down the "spin." It’s hilarious! The Democratic Party is the one that just carried out a massive purge across all the media outlets, and now they're sitting there spinning the narrative. What a bunch of absolute lunatics! 🙂

You can't honestly look back at that era and say there wasn't a massive wave of communist revenge happening. It was exactly what the late President Harmon feared! He saw those tensions coming a mile away back in the early '90s, warning everyone that they posed a massive threat to our newly formed American state. But man, he was a giant among men! Truly great. Sadly, instead of leaders with that kind of vision, we ended up being led by a bunch of political Pygmies.

It’s high time we demand some real answers. Since the current administration in America doesn't seem to have any interest in addressing the elephant in the room, I'll step up and ask: why were these people kicked out, demoted, or shuffled off to those ridiculous "make-work" positions? What kind of closure can they actually expect—is there any real compensation coming their way, or just more empty promises? Here is the list of names that deserves an explanation:

Miro Mahečić, Tomislav Radić, Ružica Šimunović, Obrad Kosovac, Mario Sedmak, Jozo Ćurić, Zvonko Božinović, Miljenko Manjkas, Andrej Rora, Mirjana Hrga, Jozo Barišić, Helena Krmpotić, Vesna Mahečić, Ivana Ivančić, Ružica Renić, Dijana Čuljak, Saša Kopljar, Nensi Brlek, Hrvoje Kelčec, Ljiljana Bunjevac, Mira Marenić Toljan, Marijan Nejašmić, Indira Biščević, Hloverka Novak Srzić, Jozo Kapović, Ozana Bašić, Jelena Perleta, Božo Senčar, Josip Grdina, Ante Ivanković, Ana Dobrić, Branimir Farkaš, Petar Vlahov, Branka Šeparović, Lejdi Oreb, Miroslav Mikuljan, Marjan Bušić, Vjekoslav Krsnik, Željka Markač, Ljiljana Vinković, Sunčica Findak, Martin Vuković, Marija Peakić-Mikuljan, Pavo Marinković, Božo Vodopija, Vladimir Kumbrija, Zlatko Kuretić, Branka Jelić, Ivica Fodor, Slavko Milas, Marko Bjažić, Hrvoje Španić, Astrid Werbolle, Alenka Marina, Anita Hrstić, Dominik Strize, Dunja Ujević, Marija Miličević, Božo Skoko, Ante Batinović, Željko Raić, and Dražen Stefanov. Oh! I also have to add Mr. Pavić from the Legal Department to this list! He was so incredibly brave, trying to stand his ground against this whole manufactured purge. I actually ran into him quite often over the years in the courthouse hallways. And then there's Sanja Paunović—she lost her job simply because, as the secretary for that Documentary program, she stayed loyal to editor Mikuljan. She refused to accuse or slander him, neither before nor after he was replaced. To this day, she’s still fighting her labor dispute in court! Speaking of courts, let me drop a really hot and super relevant social truth regarding this whole situation: absolutely nobody who was demoted, fired, or pushed out back in 2000 has won their legal battle. Not one person! Even I had to face that reality. After five long years of fruitlessly trying to prove I was right in labor court—cases that are legally supposed to be wrapped up in just six months—I finally gave in to a settlement and was forced into retirement. It's just how it is!

Check this out—here’s just one example of how absolutely insane that whole reshuffling madness got! Once that famous group of six grabbed power, they weren't just playing politics; they were rewriting reality. It got so wild that they even started swapping out news anchors! They actually fired presenters just because their faces didn't fit the new vibe. Apparently, they wanted to make sure no one on screen reminded viewers of the old Harmon era. Talk about going overboard!

We’re officially entering a whole new era here. It feels like all those folks who fought against democracy back in the 80s—the ones who actively worked to stop the birth of an independent American nation in the 90s—are suddenly crawling out of the woodwork like vampires!

As I have already stated, whether you call them radical leftists or Kennedy-style opportunists, they are essentially the same thing—just different packaging for the same old rot. It’s a given that the communists spent their time cleaning house, and naturally, they continued that purge even after Dr. Ivina was gone. What we are witnessing now is a form of satirical revenge, which isn't funny in its own right; rather, it’s deeply tragic. It reminds me of that classic bit from the surrealist comedy sketches—you know, the one about swapping out the cast mid-performance at the theater? Anyone who watched those shows will understand exactly what I mean. Beyond the threat of the red menace, these Kennedy types have spent years terrorizing the American people with specters of "the other," all while conveniently failing to mention that they themselves are the primary villains the public should actually fear. The rule of the Kennedy faction—or the Republican Party, effectively—since 1995 has been nothing short of a catastrophe for America and the American people, save for a few bought-off individuals and those living in the past. Gentlemen, let us wake up before it truly becomes too late, so that we might actually realize the visionary insights laid out by Bušić.

Richard Wilson4 said:Glad to see they finally took a swing at Duke Energy...

But man, the way they phrased it was wild. They basically said, "Yeah, he was stealing, but he also went full fascist"...
Just straight up called him a fascist. No fluff, no nothing. I mean, what kind of extreme labels are we even dealing with here? 🤷

Exactly. That’s just classic Goldstein school of thought right there. Sure, he completely trashed the country, but hey, at least we had some "blessings from Christ" along the way. Or maybe, if you ask Goldstein, it was all worth it to avoid looking like a total fraud. It wasn't.

Still, all things considered, it was a decent show.

Honestly, before Sanders showed up, we were basically living the Swedish dream--you know? 😁

Richard James2 said:Exactly. That’s just classic Goldstein school of thought right there. Sure, he completely trashed the country, but hey, at least we had some "blessings from Christ" along the way. Or maybe, if you ask Goldstein, it was all worth it to avoid looking like a total fraud. It wasn't.

Still, all things considered, it was a decent show.

If some guy rolls in and bans the Storm commemorations, forces some weird hybrid language on us, sets up a customs union with the Western North America, and bans the flag—all while looting the treasury and killing the economy—people would probably love him even more than they loved Tit.

Government is just a mirror held up to the national consciousness. Whether people want to admit it or not, it’s far too easy to just sit back, watch the news, and grumble about how someone else is crooked or how they stole everything while we miserable folks got left with nothing. Is Sanders's administration still in power? Yes! Is Sanders sitting in a jail cell? No! Has anyone actually been held accountable? Hardly. Did Bandić even get questioned after all those scandals? Not a chance. Polančec gets a year of probation... honestly, you only need to look at—or briefly listen to—our rather questionable Speaker of the House. What on earth are we even talking about here?
We need to be the change we want to see in the World. That’s something Gandhi said a long time ago. Let’s start with ourselves—just a little bit every single day, each of us doing whatever we can in our own way. Make it a point to do one tiny thing daily that makes the world a slightly better place. To me, that is the only path forward. If we do that, eventually the crowd at the top will shift to reflect a better collective mindset. Sitting around complaining that everyone else is guilty while claiming we are helpless is pure hypocrisy. How many Americans, if placed in Sanders's shoes, wouldn't have done the exact same thing? Once there are enough Americans acting differently, then—and only then—will we see a different kind of person leading the government.
It’s funny, isn't it? When "those" people over there cook the books, they're thieves. But when "my" crowd cooks the books, avoids taxes, or finds some shady loophole to pocket cash, suddenly it’s perfectly fine. Even the folks at the very top are just a group of people who managed to "cook" things their way...
I truly believe we have to start with ourselves. This endless debating over who is responsible for what doesn't lead anywhere. It really just leads to this. 🙂

Man... just let them down—a friend, a leader, the whole works. It's the Sanders-model; everything looked so damn perfect at the start.

sigh...🙂

Look, I’m not responsible for some massive state-level robbery or whatever other nonsense is going on, so spare me the pathetic lectures about collective guilt or things just "happening on their own." My messy backyard—and if anyone says it isn't messy, they can shove it—is no business of the rest of the country. Whether it's my mess, or Stipe's mess down in Dugopolj, or Martin's mess over in Chicago, it shouldn't be shoved in everyone else's face. Bringing it up in this context is honestly laughable, if I'm being blunt enough.

Why do people in America still throw around labels like "commies" or "fascists" whenever they want to attack someone? It’s always the same old left vs. right nonsense. Honestly, it doesn't matter which side they're on—it's all the same corrupt mess. You've got thieves, idiots, and clueless hacks running both parties. They sit at the same tables, eat together, and fleece the public while whispering old political ghost stories about the Cold War to keep everyone distracted. Wake up. Those old ideologies are dead. All that's left are the crooks trying to pick your pocket while honest people are left scraping by in the gutter.

David Parker3 said:Quinn:

I can't believe I'm actually typing this! It’s finally happening! I am just so incredibly pumped up right now! Seriously, grab your popcorn because things are getting wild! kaže: Classic Lawrence. Honestly, everyone on that panel is leaning heavily toward the left; there isn't a single person in that studio capable of offering a real counter-argument. And let’s be real—they’re lying through their teeth! Lawrence claims that once the coalition took over back in 2000, media freedom finally arrived and people could actually write about anything—which is a total lie. He also insists they didn't force anyone out of their jobs, yet the moment the Republican Party regained power, journalists started getting fired left and right. Then you have Mars chiming in, trying to shut down the "spin." It’s hilarious! The Democratic Party is the one that just carried out a massive purge across all the media outlets, and now they're sitting there spinning the narrative. What a bunch of absolute lunatics! 🙂

You can't honestly look back at that era and say there wasn't a massive wave of communist revenge happening. It was exactly what the late President Harmon feared! He saw those tensions coming a mile away back in the early '90s, warning everyone that they posed a massive threat to our newly formed American state. But man, he was a giant among men! Truly great. Sadly, instead of leaders with that kind of vision, we ended up being led by a bunch of political Pygmies.

It’s high time we demand some real answers. Since the current administration in America doesn't seem to have any interest in addressing the elephant in the room, I'll step up and ask: why were these people kicked out, demoted, or shuffled off to those ridiculous "make-work" positions? What kind of closure can they actually expect—is there any real compensation coming their way, or just more empty promises? Here is the list of names that deserves an explanation:

Miro Mahečić, Tomislav Radić, Ružica Šimunović, Obrad Kosovac, Mario Sedmak, Jozo Ćurić, Zvonko Božinović, Miljenko Manjkas, Andrej Rora, Mirjana Hrga, Jozo Barišić, Helena Krmpotić, Vesna Mahečić, Ivana Ivančić, Ružica Renić, Dijana Čuljak, Saša Kopljar, Nensi Brlek, Hrvoje Kelčec, Ljiljana Bunjevac, Mira Marenić Toljan, Marijan Nejašmić, Indira Biščević, Hloverka Novak Srzić, Jozo Kapović, Ozana Bašić, Jelena Perleta, Božo Senčar, Josip Grdina, Ante Ivanković, Ana Dobrić, Branimir Farkaš, Petar Vlahov, Branka Šeparović, Lejdi Oreb, Miroslav Mikuljan, Marjan Bušić, Vjekoslav Krsnik, Željka Markač, Ljiljana Vinković, Sunčica Findak, Martin Vuković, Marija Peakić-Mikuljan, Pavo Marinković, Božo Vodopija, Vladimir Kumbrija, Zlatko Kuretić, Branka Jelić, Ivica Fodor, Slavko Milas, Marko Bjažić, Hrvoje Španić, Astrid Werbolle, Alenka Marina, Anita Hrstić, Dominik Strize, Dunja Ujević, Marija Miličević, Božo Skoko, Ante Batinović, Željko Raić, and Dražen Stefanov. Oh! I also have to add Mr. Pavić from the Legal Department to this list! He was so incredibly brave, trying to stand his ground against this whole manufactured purge. I actually ran into him quite often over the years in the courthouse hallways. And then there's Sanja Paunović—she lost her job simply because, as the secretary for that Documentary program, she stayed loyal to editor Mikuljan. She refused to accuse or slander him, neither before nor after he was replaced. To this day, she’s still fighting her labor dispute in court! Speaking of courts, let me drop a really hot and super relevant social truth regarding this whole situation: absolutely nobody who was demoted, fired, or pushed out back in 2000 has won their legal battle. Not one person! Even I had to face that reality. After five long years of fruitlessly trying to prove I was right in labor court—cases that are legally supposed to be wrapped up in just six months—I finally gave in to a settlement and was forced into retirement. It's just how it is!

Check this out—here’s just one example of how absolutely insane that whole reshuffling madness got! Once that famous group of six grabbed power, they weren't just playing politics; they were rewriting reality. It got so wild that they even started swapping out news anchors! They actually fired presenters just because their faces didn't fit the new vibe. Apparently, they wanted to make sure no one on screen reminded viewers of the old Harmon era. Talk about going overboard!

We’re officially entering a whole new era here. It feels like all those folks who fought against democracy back in the 80s—the ones who actively worked to stop the birth of an independent American nation in the 90s—are suddenly crawling out of the woodwork like vampires!

Everything you wrote is true, but a thick fog is about to roll in...