The use of spirituality in warfare

Jeremy Alvarez5 · 2010-08-26T10:36:22+00:00

I mean, it really feels like a call to action, right? Like, it’s part warning, part wake-up call, and part genuine desire to lend a hand—mostly by basically te…

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#21 · Aug 26, 2010

Anthony Perez9 said:I can't even remember the full name of those Protocols of the Elders of Zion things.[/I]

Yeah, whatever.

"Quote:"

I don't think they're fakes, but I wouldn't call them the real deal either..

Interesting stuff...

I'm not even judging them. I'm just noticing—that they... Some people actually think this is original.And then you've got everyone else calling them fakes.

I can't tell if you're actually being serious or just playing a part.

The "some people" who actually defend this disgrace as an original work are the most hardcore Nazis and antisemites out there—basically just burnt-out conspiracy theorists who probably helped print the damn thing. Hitler was obsessed with it, and honestly, it’s still a favorite among Islamic fundamentalists today.

If you didn't realize that before, my bad. But now you know exactly what you need to cite if you want to pretend you're being some neutral, objective bystander.

That "one view" is pure antisemitism—it’s just people swearing the Protocols of the Elders of Zion actually show how Jews secretly run the world and cause all this chaos.

So, basically—this whole globalist setup is still running the show. Both takes.Yeah, both of them get the job done, honestly. Zionism. He's got the opposite view. Then there’s that crowd that thinks they're total fakes, though they won't admit it—they just use them whenever it suits their agenda.

The mother of all crazy conspiracy theories is basically just "global Zionism and the Freemasons," followed closely by lizard people.

Why would someone driven by a search for truth even bother? It might make more sense to say he didn't come to bring peace, but to start a war.

"Jesus was a Jew, wasn't he? So, you're trying to tell me that? 🤷

Understanding how war actually works—even if you’re stuck behind some moral high ground—gives you an edge. It means you learn how to pull the strings of the uninformed and trigger specific reactions depending on who's looking at you...

Basically... what are you ACTUALLY trying to tell us here? 😕

I'll get back to the rest of this later. Heading out to grab a drink by the pier.

Yeah, whatever.

"Quote:"

I don't think they're fakes, but I wouldn't call them the real deal either..

Interesting stuff...

I'm not even judging them. I'm just noticing—that they... Some people actually think this is original.And then you've got everyone else calling them fakes.

I can't tell if you're actually being serious or just playing a part.

The "some people" who actually defend this disgrace as an original work are the most hardcore Nazis and antisemites out there—basically just burnt-out conspiracy theorists who probably helped print the damn thing. Hitler was obsessed with it, and honestly, it’s still a favorite among Islamic fundamentalists today.

If you didn't realize that before, my bad. But now you know exactly what you need to cite if you want to pretend you're being some neutral, objective bystander.

That "one view" is pure antisemitism—it’s just people swearing the Protocols of the Elders of Zion actually show how Jews secretly run the world and cause all this chaos.

So, basically—this whole globalist setup is still running the show. Both takes.Yeah, both of them get the job done, honestly. Zionism. He's got the opposite view. Then there’s that crowd that thinks they're total fakes, though they won't admit it—they just use them whenever it suits their agenda.

The mother of all crazy conspiracy theories is basically just "global Zionism and the Freemasons," followed closely by lizard people.

Why would someone driven by a search for truth even bother? It might make more sense to say he didn't come to bring peace, but to start a war.

"Jesus was a Jew, wasn't he? So, you're trying to tell me that? 🤷

Understanding how war actually works—even if you’re stuck behind some moral high ground—gives you an edge. It means you learn how to pull the strings of the uninformed and trigger specific reactions depending on who's looking at you...

Basically... what are you ACTUALLY trying to tell us here? 😕

I'll get back to the rest of this later. Heading out to grab a drink by the pier.

Yeah, whatever.

"Quote:"

I don't think they're fakes, but I wouldn't call them the real deal either..

Interesting stuff...

I'm not even judging them. I'm just noticing—that they... Some people actually think this is original.And then you've got everyone else calling them fakes.

I can't tell if you're actually being serious or just playing a part.

The "some people" who actually defend this disgrace as an original work are the most hardcore Nazis and antisemites out there—basically just burnt-out conspiracy theorists who probably helped print the damn thing. Hitler was obsessed with it, and honestly, it’s still a favorite among Islamic fundamentalists today.

If you didn't realize that before, my bad. But now you know exactly what you need to cite if you want to pretend you're being some neutral, objective bystander.

That "one view" is pure antisemitism—it’s just people swearing the Protocols of the Elders of Zion actually show how Jews secretly run the world and cause all this chaos.

So, basically—this whole globalist setup is still running the show. Both takes.Yeah, both of them get the job done, honestly. Zionism. He's got the opposite view. Then there’s that crowd that thinks they're total fakes, though they won't admit it—they just use them whenever it suits their agenda.

The mother of all crazy conspiracy theories is basically just "global Zionism and the Freemasons," followed closely by lizard people.

Why would someone driven by a search for truth even bother? It might make more sense to say he didn't come to bring peace, but to start a war.

"Jesus was a Jew, wasn't he? So, you're trying to tell me that? 🤷

Understanding how war actually works—even if you’re stuck behind some moral high ground—gives you an edge. It means you learn how to pull the strings of the uninformed and trigger specific reactions depending on who's looking at you...

Basically... what are you ACTUALLY trying to tell us here? 😕

I'll get back to the rest of this later. Heading out to grab a drink by the pier.

It’s actually kind of wild how just opening this thread and bringing up the Protocols of the Elders of Zion managed to get under your skin like that. You went as far as accusing me of being some sort of closeted antisemite—like I'm somehow putting on an act or something—and then you started rambling about those crazy conspiracy theories regarding Zionism. I mean, it's funny because even I've run into Jews who have dealt firsthand with issues involving certain products, and I've even read stuff written by Jews that warns against them. It feels like whenever anyone tries to criticize how certain groups act toward Palestinians, the world just immediately slaps the "antisemitism" label on it. It seems like people who actually stand against what the fundamentalists are doing to their neighbors end up having zero real allies because of how things are handled in foreign countries. I guess that's just how it goes, maybe.

If you’re looking for my take on this—and look, just like how I tend to go pretty hard on my criticisms of Christianity—I’ve definitely got some issues with the other Abrahamic faiths, like Judaism and Islam. We’ve touched on that before, I think. Honestly, if you ask me, Hitler's whole racial Nazi ideology was basically just their own creation coming back to haunt them like a boomerang. It’s a tragedy, really, because it didn't just hit them; it hit all of humanity.

So, basically... what does that mean for us? For real. So, you looking to make an announcement or something? I mean, if that's what you're after, go for it. I guess it's up to you. 😕

I didn't really mean to drop any hard facts or anything like that, I guess. I was mostly just looking to hear more people's takes and see some actual examples of how spirituality gets used for military purposes, kind of like what I mentioned in my first post.

So, here’s another one for you. Back before things really kicked off and during the heat of the war here in America, I used to attend religious studies classes. I listened to a lot of different instructors back then. I remember two of them actually telling me that they weren't born Americans and that they honestly wished they had been born Jews. The war was raging, and just like you need artillery in a conflict, you also need people to pull the triggers and "war music" to fuel the fire. During that time—right when I was supposed to be forming my adult identity—what I was listening to ended up driving me toward trying to figure out what the Bible actually says. Honestly? It kind of broke my brain. But maybe that was for the best, because I was hovering pretty close to suicide before I even turned 17. It reminds me of those stories about certain drunk mothers in London who abandoned their newborns on the street only to have them raised by dogs; those kids ended up behaving exactly like the animals that raised them. Now, people can judge me however they want—talk about genetic predispositions or whatever—but if you look at someone like Jung, he argued that religious thought is a massive part of defining the psyche. Before all this chaos, I was actually a pretty bright kid. I was the chess champion in my 7th-grade class, I painted, I wrote my own little programs and games, I had my first crushes, stuff like that. After everything went down, I started preparing to join the military. I did some private testing and gathered opinions from some pretty high-level experts. Even the psychologists who handle standard military testing actually encouraged me, suggesting they specifically needed people with my profile. I had a choice of branches, and I went with the infantry. Eventually, they called me back and decided to send me to the First Guards Regiment—which, from what I hear, is some kind of elite unit meant to protect the President or something similar. Because of that, during my interview, they handed me this two-page form packed with questions, warning me they’d verify everything with my neighbors and anyone else who knew me. I decided to be honest and disclosed that I had received psychiatric treatment before reaching adulthood. Because of that, I was permanently exempt from service, though it didn't go down without a bit of back-and-forth with the officials who were supposed to make the final call. I wasn't planning on writing about this right now, but I guess the point is this: even someone with a high IQ—like 144 on the Mensa scale—can be pushed into a state like mine when placed in certain environments.

I mean, we don't even need to get into how people all over the globe are ready to swear allegiance to someone who hasn't even said anything remotely related to calling Muhammad a pig or making some offensive drawing—they just jump in because the person shares their nationality or maybe they're just from the same continent where it all went down.

So, Anthony Perez9, when you tally up the potential folks within Islam who are basically "fed" by the Protocols of the Elders of Zion, then look at the Nazis, and then look at everyone else who isn't either of those things—you can actually reach a number representing a massive majority of people who will stumble upon the Protocols, read them, and just believe it. It’s like, it works as this weapon used to flip someone's entire worldview toward a specific group, to the point where they might just decide to kill them or, I don't know, burn down their apartment, a church, a synagogue, or whatever.

It’s definitely more comforting to believe that there aren't any Masons or Zionists out there, and that the world is just run by liberals and democrats. But honestly, we have enough clues to suggest that other possibilities are worth discussing.

Jesus was a Jew, yeah. A bit of a different kind of Jew, though. Matthew 3:8 "Produce fruit in keeping with repentance. And do not think you are exempt because you say to yourselves, 'We have Abraham as our father'" He practiced a sort of masochistic violence against anyone who didn't fit into his specific value system—from his views on marriage and everything else. He was actually pretty far from being tolerant or embracing freedom and equality in faith, sexual liberties, or whatever else you want to throw in there.

Matthew 10:14 "If anyone will not welcome you or listen to your words, leave that house or town and shake the dust off your feet."
Mark 6:11 "If a place does not welcome you or listen to you, leave that place and shake the dust off your feet as a testimony against them. Luke 9:5 If they do not welcome you, leave that town and shake the dust off your feet."

Matthew 10:15 "Truly I tell you, it will be more bearable for Sodom and Gomorrah on the day of judgment than for that town."
Matthew 10:16 "I am sending you out like sheep among wolves. Therefore be as shrewd as snakes and as innocent as doves!"

So, overall, he was a pretty intolerant guy. I guess if someone like me—someone who genuinely wants to take responsibility for their actions and follow what's right—is programmed by that religion to be shut down before I can even find my footing (just like how people who strive for purity are often hailed as saints but are actually lost potential leaders for a nation in the struggle against the real enemies—those shadow rulers who probably want those types to throw themselves to the lions first)—well, maybe only a true expert on all these matters could give a definitive opinion, and those people are pretty rare.

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#22 · Aug 26, 2010

Jeremy Alvarez5 said:

First off, I’d want to thank you for such a solid contribution to this thread.

But let's keep moving. If you look at history, Christianity has stood alongside monarchies for a really long time. It's worth noting that the first Christians weren't out there rebelling; they were mostly just looking for the right to practice their faith. It was, I guess, a pretty convenient religion for slaves. And hey, Jesus supposedly said this too:

Matthew 26:52 Jesus said to him, "Put your sword back in its place, for all who draw the sword will die by the sword."

And check this out as well:

Mark 16:15 He said to them, "Go into all the world and preach the gospel to all creation.
Mark 16:16 Whoever believes and is baptized will be saved, but whoever does not believe will be condemned.
Mark 16:17 And these signs will accompany those who believe: in my name they will drive out demons; they will speak in new tongues;
Mark 16:18 they will pick up snakes with their hands; and if they drink anything poisonous, it will not hurt them at the least; they will place their hands on sick people, and they will get well.
Mark 16:19 After he said this, the Lord Jesus was taken up into heaven and sat at the right hand of God.

If the intention had been a rebellion, like you're suggesting, then it wouldn't match what was actually said, such as:

Matthew 22:21 They replied, "Caesar's." He said to them, "Then give to Caesar what is Caesar's, and to God what is God's."
Matthew 5:40 And if anyone wants to sue you and take your shirt, hand over your coat as well.
Luke 6:29 If someone slaps you on one cheek, turn to them the other also; and if someone takes your overcoat, hand over your shirt as well.

In that case, Christianity wouldn't have been what it was for so many people. Especially considering the "truth" that Christians attribute to the saints. Based on that, Jesus of Nazareth would have just been some kind of provocateur until he performed enough miracles to eventually be crucified—doing that final thing as proof of who he really was.

However—the mere fact that he is the Christ, just as you’d want, carries another weight—that the Jews were liberated by the appearance of the king foretold by the prophets... He shifts the struggle to Judgment Day, according to the belief in the day when he comes to judge the living and the dead... It calls for a higher righteousness than what the Sadducees, Pharisees, and scribes demonstrated—a righteousness found in sacrifice, service, humility, suffering, and accepting the cross—as well as spreading the news about him who came into the world, and being called to follow that same example... It's pretty convenient for anyone wanting to hold power like that, isn't it? - even if they only make up maybe 5-10% of the population anywhere?

But, besides the saints and apostles who were honored for their sacrifice, we also have Christians who justify using weapons. Beyond the obvious examples like artillery, we have theologians like Tomislav Ivančić and others who argue that there were Christians who were soldiers at the same time. They claim this is just as applicable to Christianity as the path shown by Jesus, the apostles, and the saints—specifically regarding defending one's territory, which turned into hundreds of years of Crusades for "the Holy Land." Not to mention generations of "heretics" and the like.

So, within the framework of the exact same teachings, we end up with very different products—which I assume should be pretty obvious to everyone here.

Anyway, let me keep going...
First off, I’d want to thank you for such a solid contribution to this thread.

But let's keep moving. If you look at history, Christianity has stood alongside monarchies for a really long time. It's worth noting that the first Christians weren't out there rebelling; they were mostly just looking for the right to practice their faith. It was, I guess, a pretty convenient religion for slaves. And hey, Jesus supposedly said this too:

Matthew 26:52 Jesus said to him, "Put your sword back in its place, for all who draw the sword will die by the sword."

And check this out as well:

Mark 16:15 He said to them, "Go into all the world and preach the gospel to all creation.
Mark 16:16 Whoever believes and is baptized will be saved, but whoever does not believe will be condemned.
Mark 16:17 And these signs will accompany those who believe: in my name they will drive out demons; they will speak in new tongues;
Mark 16:18 they will pick up snakes with their hands; and if they drink anything poisonous, it will not hurt them at the least; they will place their hands on sick people, and they will get well.
Mark 16:19 After he said this, the Lord Jesus was taken up into heaven and sat at the right hand of God.

If the intention had been a rebellion, like you're suggesting, then it wouldn't match what was actually said, such as:

Matthew 22:21 They replied, "Caesar's." He said to them, "Then give to Caesar what is Caesar's, and to God what is God's."
Matthew 5:40 And if anyone wants to sue you and take your shirt, hand over your coat as well.
Luke 6:29 If someone slaps you on one cheek, turn to them the other also; and if someone takes your overcoat, hand over your shirt as well.

In that case, Christianity wouldn't have been what it was for so many people. Especially considering the "truth" that Christians attribute to the saints. Based on that, Jesus of Nazareth would have just been some kind of provocateur until he performed enough miracles to eventually be crucified—doing that final thing as proof of who he really was.

However—the mere fact that he is the Christ, just as you’d want, carries another weight—that the Jews were liberated by the appearance of the king foretold by the prophets... He shifts the struggle to Judgment Day, according to the belief in the day when he comes to judge the living and the dead... It calls for a higher righteousness than what the Sadducees, Pharisees, and scribes demonstrated—a righteousness found in sacrifice, service, humility, suffering, and accepting the cross—as well as spreading the news about him who came into the world, and being called to follow that same example... It's pretty convenient for anyone wanting to hold power like that, isn't it? - even if they only make up maybe 5-10% of the population anywhere?

But, besides the saints and apostles who were honored for their sacrifice, we also have Christians who justify using weapons. Beyond the obvious examples like artillery, we have theologians like Tomislav Ivančić and others who argue that there were Christians who were soldiers at the same time. They claim this is just as applicable to Christianity as the path shown by Jesus, the apostles, and the saints—specifically regarding defending one's territory, which turned into hundreds of years of Crusades for "the Holy Land." Not to mention generations of "heretics" and the like.

So, within the framework of the exact same teachings, we end up with very different products—which I assume should be pretty obvious to everyone here.

Anyway, let me keep going...
What's up. Everyone. They're in power. Even the Russian Orthodox Church sided with Stalin's communists.

Notice how the first Christians didn't even start a fight; they just wanted the right to practice their faith in peace.

Early Christians are just one big mystery, honestly. Everyone's constantly guessing about them.

Notice how she was. Just another religion designed to keep slaves in line..

What's she good for? 😕

Look, with all due respect, you guys are just puppets. Bow down to the masters.It's not just about the good stuff and the blessings, either. And on the flip side.It’s honestly a blessing if anyone actually lives by their conscience and suffers for God. Just taking one for the team and dealing with the unfairness.What kind of glory is even worth having if it's built on sin? Just take the hits and be patient about it."If you can handle the heat and just take it on the chin, then God’s happy with you."
1 Peter 2:18-21

Check this out—Jesus supposedly said this too:

Matthew 26:52 says it best: Jesus told him to put the sword back where it belongs, because anyone who lives by the sword ends up dying by it.

Keep in mind he supposedly said that when they were cornered by overwhelming enemies. Keeping their swords sheathed would've been nothing short of collective suicide.

Check this out too:

Mark 16:15 says, "Go into all the world and preach the gospel to all creation."
Mark 16:16 says whoever believes and is baptized will be saved, but whoever doesn't believe will be condemned. Just how it is.
Mark 16:17 — And these signs will accompany those who believe: in my name they will drive out demons and speak in new tongues.
Mark 16:18 says they’ll pick up snakes, and if they drink anything poisonous, it won't hurt them; they’ll lay hands on the sick, and they’ll get better.
"And after he said this, Jesus was taken up into heaven and sat down at God's right hand." — Mark 16:19

You can tell this text was tacked onto the end of the Gospel later on. Someone definitely had an agenda when they decided that's how it should wrap up.

Look, based on that same framework, we’re dealing with a ton of different products—that should be pretty obvious to everyone here.

Religion is just irrational hypocrisy. Everyone claims they're all about "love and kindness," yet they've never had an issue with conquest or forcing their ideology down people's throats.
They preach universalism while being total nationalists. They claim to be Merciful, then go on about some hellscape... ☕

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#23 · Aug 26, 2010

rustymaker5 said:It’s just not the same... nothing like it, really...
You could probably argue that spirituality is mostly just sweeping the porch before anyone notices the mess, or maybe just that endless, exhausting struggle to get the speck out of your own eye before you start pointing fingers at everyone else...
It’s funny how things work out, isn't it... how everything just seems to pivot in favor of everyone else but you, while you're left standing there watching the whole thing unfold... It feels like every single development, every little shift in the wind, only ever serves to benefit the other guys...

It all comes back to our origin, you know... that primal, fundamental essence that defines the very nature of every living thing out there. When you really strip everything away and look at the core of existence, we're all starting from the exact same baseline, possessing the same inherent potential and capacity for being... it doesn't matter what kind of role we've decided to play in this messy, material reality we call life... we all have the same foundation underneath it all...

Life isn't really anything more than playing God... it's just that we all choose to play the part in such wildly different ways...
Eventually? I mean, how exactly am I supposed to contribute to anyone else's downfall if they won't even allow it themselves... 🤷 ...and honestly, at the end of the day, we all share the exact same spiritual predispositions...

Absolutely not... though I suppose someone out there might actually try to live that way if they were truly determined...

What kind of manipulation are we even talking about?
And who—for whatever reason they might have—gets to decide whether something is truly inevitable or not?

Pure prejudice, if you ask me.

We all share the same potential and abilities, regardless of whatever role we’ve decided to play out here in the physical world.

So, is it just about what's handed down from heaven... like children or animals?

Life isn't really anything more than playing God. We just choose to go about it in different ways.

Yeah, I guess.

Maybe? But how could I possibly contribute to anyone else's downfall, unless they actually let it happen to them...? 🤷

To anyone. To my own kid. To any person who happens to be feeling a bit shaky at any given moment.

What kind of manipulation? And who—or what—is deciding whether something is inevitable or not?

It's up to you, based on your own level of awareness. Or rather, the level of consciousness you've managed to receive.

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#24 · Aug 26, 2010

Anthony Perez9 said:First off, I’d want to thank you for such a solid contribution to this thread.

But let's keep moving. If you look at history, Christianity has stood alongside monarchies for a really long time. It's worth noting that the first Christians weren't out there rebelling; they were mostly just looking for the right to practice their faith. It was, I guess, a pretty convenient religion for slaves. And hey, Jesus supposedly said this too:

Matthew 26:52 Jesus said to him, "Put your sword back in its place, for all who draw the sword will die by the sword."

And check this out as well:

Mark 16:15 He said to them, "Go into all the world and preach the gospel to all creation.
Mark 16:16 Whoever believes and is baptized will be saved, but whoever does not believe will be condemned.
Mark 16:17 And these signs will accompany those who believe: in my name they will drive out demons; they will speak in new tongues;
Mark 16:18 they will pick up snakes with their hands; and if they drink anything poisonous, it will not hurt them at the least; they will place their hands on sick people, and they will get well.
Mark 16:19 After he said this, the Lord Jesus was taken up into heaven and sat at the right hand of God.

If the intention had been a rebellion, like you're suggesting, then it wouldn't match what was actually said, such as:

Matthew 22:21 They replied, "Caesar's." He said to them, "Then give to Caesar what is Caesar's, and to God what is God's."
Matthew 5:40 And if anyone wants to sue you and take your shirt, hand over your coat as well.
Luke 6:29 If someone slaps you on one cheek, turn to them the other also; and if someone takes your overcoat, hand over your shirt as well.

In that case, Christianity wouldn't have been what it was for so many people. Especially considering the "truth" that Christians attribute to the saints. Based on that, Jesus of Nazareth would have just been some kind of provocateur until he performed enough miracles to eventually be crucified—doing that final thing as proof of who he really was.

However—the mere fact that he is the Christ, just as you’d want, carries another weight—that the Jews were liberated by the appearance of the king foretold by the prophets... He shifts the struggle to Judgment Day, according to the belief in the day when he comes to judge the living and the dead... It calls for a higher righteousness than what the Sadducees, Pharisees, and scribes demonstrated—a righteousness found in sacrifice, service, humility, suffering, and accepting the cross—as well as spreading the news about him who came into the world, and being called to follow that same example... It's pretty convenient for anyone wanting to hold power like that, isn't it? - even if they only make up maybe 5-10% of the population anywhere?

But, besides the saints and apostles who were honored for their sacrifice, we also have Christians who justify using weapons. Beyond the obvious examples like artillery, we have theologians like Tomislav Ivančić and others who argue that there were Christians who were soldiers at the same time. They claim this is just as applicable to Christianity as the path shown by Jesus, the apostles, and the saints—specifically regarding defending one's territory, which turned into hundreds of years of Crusades for "the Holy Land." Not to mention generations of "heretics" and the like.

So, within the framework of the exact same teachings, we end up with very different products—which I assume should be pretty obvious to everyone here.

Anyway, let me keep going...

What's up. Everyone. They're in power. Even the Russian Orthodox Church sided with Stalin's communists.

Notice how the first Christians didn't even start a fight; they just wanted the right to practice their faith in peace.

Early Christians are just one big mystery, honestly. Everyone's constantly guessing about them.

Notice how she was. Just another religion designed to keep slaves in line..

What's she good for? 😕

Check this out—Jesus supposedly said this too:

Matthew 26:52 says it best: Jesus told him to put the sword back where it belongs, because anyone who lives by the sword ends up dying by it.

Keep in mind he supposedly said that when they were cornered by overwhelming enemies. Keeping their swords sheathed would've been nothing short of collective suicide.

Check this out too:

Mark 16:15 says, "Go into all the world and preach the gospel to all creation."
Mark 16:16 says whoever believes and is baptized will be saved, but whoever doesn't believe will be condemned. Just how it is.
Mark 16:17 — And these signs will accompany those who believe: in my name they will drive out demons and speak in new tongues.
Mark 16:18 says they’ll pick up snakes, and if they drink anything poisonous, it won't hurt them; they’ll lay hands on the sick, and they’ll get better.
"And after he said this, Jesus was taken up into heaven and sat down at God's right hand." — Mark 16:19

You can tell this text was tacked onto the end of the Gospel later on. Someone definitely had an agenda when they decided that's how it should wrap up.

Look, based on that same framework, we’re dealing with a ton of different products—that should be pretty obvious to everyone here.

Religion is just irrational hypocrisy. Everyone claims they're all about "love and kindness," yet they've never had an issue with conquest or forcing their ideology down people's throats.
They preach universalism while being total nationalists. They claim to be Merciful, then go on about some hellscape... ☕
I mean, I guess there are also people out there who actually perform "miracles" and live peacefully, seeing Jesus as their primary teacher or just one of many teachers.

Anthony Perez9 Regular

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#25 · Aug 26, 2010

Jeremy Alvarez5 said:Yeah, whatever.

"Quote:"
I don't think they're fakes, but I wouldn't call them the real deal either..
Interesting stuff...

I'm not even judging them. I'm just noticing—that they... Some people actually think this is original.And then you've got everyone else calling them fakes.

I can't tell if you're actually being serious or just playing a part.

The "some people" who actually defend this disgrace as an original work are the most hardcore Nazis and antisemites out there—basically just burnt-out conspiracy theorists who probably helped print the damn thing. Hitler was obsessed with it, and honestly, it’s still a favorite among Islamic fundamentalists today.

If you didn't realize that before, my bad. But now you know exactly what you need to cite if you want to pretend you're being some neutral, objective bystander.

That "one view" is pure antisemitism—it’s just people swearing the Protocols of the Elders of Zion actually show how Jews secretly run the world and cause all this chaos.

So, basically—this whole globalist setup is still running the show. Both takes.Yeah, both of them get the job done, honestly. Zionism. He's got the opposite view. Then there’s that crowd that thinks they're total fakes, though they won't admit it—they just use them whenever it suits their agenda.

The mother of all crazy conspiracy theories is basically just "global Zionism and the Freemasons," followed closely by lizard people.

Why would someone driven by a search for truth even bother? It might make more sense to say he didn't come to bring peace, but to start a war.

"Jesus was a Jew, wasn't he? So, you're trying to tell me that? 🤷

Understanding how war actually works—even if you’re stuck behind some moral high ground—gives you an edge. It means you learn how to pull the strings of the uninformed and trigger specific reactions depending on who's looking at you...

Basically... what are you ACTUALLY trying to tell us here? 😕

I'll get back to the rest of this later. Heading out to grab a drink by the pier.

Yeah, whatever.

"Quote:"

I don't think they're fakes, but I wouldn't call them the real deal either..

Interesting stuff...

I'm not even judging them. I'm just noticing—that they... Some people actually think this is original.And then you've got everyone else calling them fakes.

I can't tell if you're actually being serious or just playing a part.

The "some people" who actually defend this disgrace as an original work are the most hardcore Nazis and antisemites out there—basically just burnt-out conspiracy theorists who probably helped print the damn thing. Hitler was obsessed with it, and honestly, it’s still a favorite among Islamic fundamentalists today.

If you didn't realize that before, my bad. But now you know exactly what you need to cite if you want to pretend you're being some neutral, objective bystander.

That "one view" is pure antisemitism—it’s just people swearing the Protocols of the Elders of Zion actually show how Jews secretly run the world and cause all this chaos.

So, basically—this whole globalist setup is still running the show. Both takes.Yeah, both of them get the job done, honestly. Zionism. He's got the opposite view. Then there’s that crowd that thinks they're total fakes, though they won't admit it—they just use them whenever it suits their agenda.

The mother of all crazy conspiracy theories is basically just "global Zionism and the Freemasons," followed closely by lizard people.

Why would someone driven by a search for truth even bother? It might make more sense to say he didn't come to bring peace, but to start a war.

"Jesus was a Jew, wasn't he? So, you're trying to tell me that? 🤷

Understanding how war actually works—even if you’re stuck behind some moral high ground—gives you an edge. It means you learn how to pull the strings of the uninformed and trigger specific reactions depending on who's looking at you...

Basically... what are you ACTUALLY trying to tell us here? 😕

I'll get back to the rest of this later. Heading out to grab a drink by the pier.

It’s actually kind of wild how just opening this thread and bringing up the Protocols of the Elders of Zion managed to get under your skin like that. You went as far as accusing me of being some sort of closeted antisemite—like I'm somehow putting on an act or something—and then you started rambling about those crazy conspiracy theories regarding Zionism. I mean, it's funny because even I've run into Jews who have dealt firsthand with issues involving certain products, and I've even read stuff written by Jews that warns against them. It feels like whenever anyone tries to criticize how certain groups act toward Palestinians, the world just immediately slaps the "antisemitism" label on it. It seems like people who actually stand against what the fundamentalists are doing to their neighbors end up having zero real allies because of how things are handled in foreign countries. I guess that's just how it goes, maybe.

If you’re looking for my take on this—and look, just like how I tend to go pretty hard on my criticisms of Christianity—I’ve definitely got some issues with the other Abrahamic faiths, like Judaism and Islam. We’ve touched on that before, I think. Honestly, if you ask me, Hitler's whole racial Nazi ideology was basically just their own creation coming back to haunt them like a boomerang. It’s a tragedy, really, because it didn't just hit them; it hit all of humanity.

So, basically... what does that mean for us? For real. So, you looking to make an announcement or something? I mean, if that's what you're after, go for it. I guess it's up to you. 😕

I didn't really mean to drop any hard facts or anything like that, I guess. I was mostly just looking to hear more people's takes and see some actual examples of how spirituality gets used for military purposes, kind of like what I mentioned in my first post.

So, here’s another one for you. Back before things really kicked off and during the heat of the war here in America, I used to attend religious studies classes. I listened to a lot of different instructors back then. I remember two of them actually telling me that they weren't born Americans and that they honestly wished they had been born Jews. The war was raging, and just like you need artillery in a conflict, you also need people to pull the triggers and "war music" to fuel the fire. During that time—right when I was supposed to be forming my adult identity—what I was listening to ended up driving me toward trying to figure out what the Bible actually says. Honestly? It kind of broke my brain. But maybe that was for the best, because I was hovering pretty close to suicide before I even turned 17. It reminds me of those stories about certain drunk mothers in London who abandoned their newborns on the street only to have them raised by dogs; those kids ended up behaving exactly like the animals that raised them. Now, people can judge me however they want—talk about genetic predispositions or whatever—but if you look at someone like Jung, he argued that religious thought is a massive part of defining the psyche. Before all this chaos, I was actually a pretty bright kid. I was the chess champion in my 7th-grade class, I painted, I wrote my own little programs and games, I had my first crushes, stuff like that. After everything went down, I started preparing to join the military. I did some private testing and gathered opinions from some pretty high-level experts. Even the psychologists who handle standard military testing actually encouraged me, suggesting they specifically needed people with my profile. I had a choice of branches, and I went with the infantry. Eventually, they called me back and decided to send me to the First Guards Regiment—which, from what I hear, is some kind of elite unit meant to protect the President or something similar. Because of that, during my interview, they handed me this two-page form packed with questions, warning me they’d verify everything with my neighbors and anyone else who knew me. I decided to be honest and disclosed that I had received psychiatric treatment before reaching adulthood. Because of that, I was permanently exempt from service, though it didn't go down without a bit of back-and-forth with the officials who were supposed to make the final call. I wasn't planning on writing about this right now, but I guess the point is this: even someone with a high IQ—like 144 on the Mensa scale—can be pushed into a state like mine when placed in certain environments.

I mean, we don't even need to get into how people all over the globe are ready to swear allegiance to someone who hasn't even said anything remotely related to calling Muhammad a pig or making some offensive drawing—they just jump in because the person shares their nationality or maybe they're just from the same continent where it all went down.

So, Anthony Perez9, when you tally up the potential folks within Islam who are basically "fed" by the Protocols of the Elders of Zion, then look at the Nazis, and then look at everyone else who isn't either of those things—you can actually reach a number representing a massive majority of people who will stumble upon the Protocols, read them, and just believe it. It’s like, it works as this weapon used to flip someone's entire worldview toward a specific group, to the point where they might just decide to kill them or, I don't know, burn down their apartment, a church, a synagogue, or whatever.

It’s definitely more comforting to believe that there aren't any Masons or Zionists out there, and that the world is just run by liberals and democrats. But honestly, we have enough clues to suggest that other possibilities are worth discussing.

Jesus was a Jew, yeah. A bit of a different kind of Jew, though. Matthew 3:8 "Produce fruit in keeping with repentance. And do not think you are exempt because you say to yourselves, 'We have Abraham as our father'" He practiced a sort of masochistic violence against anyone who didn't fit into his specific value system—from his views on marriage and everything else. He was actually pretty far from being tolerant or embracing freedom and equality in faith, sexual liberties, or whatever else you want to throw in there.

Matthew 10:14 "If anyone will not welcome you or listen to your words, leave that house or town and shake the dust off your feet."
Mark 6:11 "If a place does not welcome you or listen to you, leave that place and shake the dust off your feet as a testimony against them. Luke 9:5 If they do not welcome you, leave that town and shake the dust off your feet."

Matthew 10:15 "Truly I tell you, it will be more bearable for Sodom and Gomorrah on the day of judgment than for that town."
Matthew 10:16 "I am sending you out like sheep among wolves. Therefore be as shrewd as snakes and as innocent as doves!"

So, overall, he was a pretty intolerant guy. I guess if someone like me—someone who genuinely wants to take responsibility for their actions and follow what's right—is programmed by that religion to be shut down before I can even find my footing (just like how people who strive for purity are often hailed as saints but are actually lost potential leaders for a nation in the struggle against the real enemies—those shadow rulers who probably want those types to throw themselves to the lions first)—well, maybe only a true expert on all these matters could give a definitive opinion, and those people are pretty rare.
It’s actually kind of wild how just opening this thread and bringing up the Protocols of the Elders of Zion managed to get under your skin like that. You went as far as accusing me of being some sort of closeted antisemite—like I'm somehow putting on an act or something—and then you started rambling about those crazy conspiracy theories regarding Zionism. I mean, it's funny because even I've run into Jews who have dealt firsthand with issues involving certain products, and I've even read stuff written by Jews that warns against them. It feels like whenever anyone tries to criticize how certain groups act toward Palestinians, the world just immediately slaps the "antisemitism" label on it. It seems like people who actually stand against what the fundamentalists are doing to their neighbors end up having zero real allies because of how things are handled in foreign countries. I guess that's just how it goes, maybe.

If you’re looking for my take on this—and look, just like how I tend to go pretty hard on my criticisms of Christianity—I’ve definitely got some issues with the other Abrahamic faiths, like Judaism and Islam. We’ve touched on that before, I think. Honestly, if you ask me, Hitler's whole racial Nazi ideology was basically just their own creation coming back to haunt them like a boomerang. It’s a tragedy, really, because it didn't just hit them; it hit all of humanity.

So, basically... what does that mean for us? For real. So, you looking to make an announcement or something? I mean, if that's what you're after, go for it. I guess it's up to you. 😕

I didn't really mean to drop any hard facts or anything like that, I guess. I was mostly just looking to hear more people's takes and see some actual examples of how spirituality gets used for military purposes, kind of like what I mentioned in my first post.

So, here’s another one for you. Back before things really kicked off and during the heat of the war here in America, I used to attend religious studies classes. I listened to a lot of different instructors back then. I remember two of them actually telling me that they weren't born Americans and that they honestly wished they had been born Jews. The war was raging, and just like you need artillery in a conflict, you also need people to pull the triggers and "war music" to fuel the fire. During that time—right when I was supposed to be forming my adult identity—what I was listening to ended up driving me toward trying to figure out what the Bible actually says. Honestly? It kind of broke my brain. But maybe that was for the best, because I was hovering pretty close to suicide before I even turned 17. It reminds me of those stories about certain drunk mothers in London who abandoned their newborns on the street only to have them raised by dogs; those kids ended up behaving exactly like the animals that raised them. Now, people can judge me however they want—talk about genetic predispositions or whatever—but if you look at someone like Jung, he argued that religious thought is a massive part of defining the psyche. Before all this chaos, I was actually a pretty bright kid. I was the chess champion in my 7th-grade class, I painted, I wrote my own little programs and games, I had my first crushes, stuff like that. After everything went down, I started preparing to join the military. I did some private testing and gathered opinions from some pretty high-level experts. Even the psychologists who handle standard military testing actually encouraged me, suggesting they specifically needed people with my profile. I had a choice of branches, and I went with the infantry. Eventually, they called me back and decided to send me to the First Guards Regiment—which, from what I hear, is some kind of elite unit meant to protect the President or something similar. Because of that, during my interview, they handed me this two-page form packed with questions, warning me they’d verify everything with my neighbors and anyone else who knew me. I decided to be honest and disclosed that I had received psychiatric treatment before reaching adulthood. Because of that, I was permanently exempt from service, though it didn't go down without a bit of back-and-forth with the officials who were supposed to make the final call. I wasn't planning on writing about this right now, but I guess the point is this: even someone with a high IQ—like 144 on the Mensa scale—can be pushed into a state like mine when placed in certain environments.

I mean, we don't even need to get into how people all over the globe are ready to swear allegiance to someone who hasn't even said anything remotely related to calling Muhammad a pig or making some offensive drawing—they just jump in because the person shares their nationality or maybe they're just from the same continent where it all went down.

So, Anthony Perez9, when you tally up the potential folks within Islam who are basically "fed" by the Protocols of the Elders of Zion, then look at the Nazis, and then look at everyone else who isn't either of those things—you can actually reach a number representing a massive majority of people who will stumble upon the Protocols, read them, and just believe it. It’s like, it works as this weapon used to flip someone's entire worldview toward a specific group, to the point where they might just decide to kill them or, I don't know, burn down their apartment, a church, a synagogue, or whatever.

It’s definitely more comforting to believe that there aren't any Masons or Zionists out there, and that the world is just run by liberals and democrats. But honestly, we have enough clues to suggest that other possibilities are worth discussing.

Jesus was a Jew, yeah. A bit of a different kind of Jew, though. Matthew 3:8 "Produce fruit in keeping with repentance. And do not think you are exempt because you say to yourselves, 'We have Abraham as our father'" He practiced a sort of masochistic violence against anyone who didn't fit into his specific value system—from his views on marriage and everything else. He was actually pretty far from being tolerant or embracing freedom and equality in faith, sexual liberties, or whatever else you want to throw in there.

Matthew 10:14 "If anyone will not welcome you or listen to your words, leave that house or town and shake the dust off your feet."
Mark 6:11 "If a place does not welcome you or listen to you, leave that place and shake the dust off your feet as a testimony against them. Luke 9:5 If they do not welcome you, leave that town and shake the dust off your feet."

Matthew 10:15 "Truly I tell you, it will be more bearable for Sodom and Gomorrah on the day of judgment than for that town."
Matthew 10:16 "I am sending you out like sheep among wolves. Therefore be as shrewd as snakes and as innocent as doves!"

So, overall, he was a pretty intolerant guy. I guess if someone like me—someone who genuinely wants to take responsibility for their actions and follow what's right—is programmed by that religion to be shut down before I can even find my footing (just like how people who strive for purity are often hailed as saints but are actually lost potential leaders for a nation in the struggle against the real enemies—those shadow rulers who probably want those types to throw themselves to the lions first)—well, maybe only a true expert on all these matters could give a definitive opinion, and those people are pretty rare.

If you ask me, Hitler's racial Nazism was just their own creation coming back to haunt them—unfortunately for everyone else, too.

Nobody's hands are perfectly clean, but we've got to have some standards.

Personally, I can't stand that passive mindset a lot of Jews were raised with—this idea that they should just be "patient servants of God," quietly taking hits and aggression just to bear witness. But being a passive victim doesn't stop the massive crimes committed against a people.

***
I see what you did there with the high IQ. I know someone just like you; if he wasn't busy with his fine arts stuff, I think he’d be completely detached from reality...
Maybe instead of over-thinking, you should try the same. 👍

redtinker36 Active Member

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#26 · Aug 26, 2010

.. well .. an interesting conclusion .. I don't necessarily buy it, but it's intriguing .. if these lost souls have to maintain their solitude, then they inevitably end up as leaders who face constant suspicion .. I suspect their numbers over time actually carry some weight..

Gregory Jackson Active Member

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#27 · Aug 26, 2010

rustymaker5 said:It’s just not the same... nothing like it, really...
You could probably argue that spirituality is mostly just sweeping the porch before anyone notices the mess, or maybe just that endless, exhausting struggle to get the speck out of your own eye before you start pointing fingers at everyone else...
It’s funny how things work out, isn't it... how everything just seems to pivot in favor of everyone else but you, while you're left standing there watching the whole thing unfold... It feels like every single development, every little shift in the wind, only ever serves to benefit the other guys...

It all comes back to our origin, you know... that primal, fundamental essence that defines the very nature of every living thing out there. When you really strip everything away and look at the core of existence, we're all starting from the exact same baseline, possessing the same inherent potential and capacity for being... it doesn't matter what kind of role we've decided to play in this messy, material reality we call life... we all have the same foundation underneath it all...

Life isn't really anything more than playing God... it's just that we all choose to play the part in such wildly different ways...
Eventually? I mean, how exactly am I supposed to contribute to anyone else's downfall if they won't even allow it themselves... 🤷 ...and honestly, at the end of the day, we all share the exact same spiritual predispositions...

Absolutely not... though I suppose someone out there might actually try to live that way if they were truly determined...

What kind of manipulation are we even talking about?
And who—for whatever reason they might have—gets to decide whether something is truly inevitable or not?

Well said 👍 And honestly, people forget that part so often...

rustymaker5 Regular

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#28 · Aug 26, 2010

wearyowl29 said:🤷
It makes me think of the samurai and Bushido;

"Bushido (the \"Way of the Warrior\"), is a Japanese code of conduct and a way of life. You could say it shares certain traits with the Western concept of chivalry. Bushido evolved from the 11th to the 14th century through various texts. According to the Merriam-Webster dictionary, Bushido is defined as a unique philosophy (ronri) that spread among the warrior class during the Muromachi period.
The core tenets of Bushido date back to the early 12th century, clearly showing the earliest translations of literature from Japanese warrior houses. During the Tokugawa shogunate, Bushido was even incorporated into Japanese feudal laws.
Inazo Nitobe, in his book “Bushido: Soul of Japan,” describes it in his own way: “…Bushido is thus a code of moral principles that the samurai were to follow, or were commanded to study… It is more often an unspoken and unwritten code… Bushido is the lifelong growth of decades and centuries of military careers.”

here are the rules;

01. I have no parents; heaven and earth are my parents.
02. I have no divine powers; devotion is my power.
03. I have no home; obedience is my home.
04. I have no goals; from flexibility, I create my goal.
05. I have no life; eternity is my life and my death.
06. I have no body; my strength is my body.
07. I have no eyes; my eyes are the flash of lightning.
08. I have no ears; my ears are sensitivity.
09. I have no limbs; my limbs are my readiness.
10. I have no plans or strategy; my strategy is opportunity.
11. I have no demands; my demands are adaptation.
12. I have no friends; my friends are my spirit and mind.
13. I have no enemies; my enemy is unawareness.
14. I have no armor; goodwill and righteousness are my armor.
15. I have no momentum; from an unmoving mind, I create momentum.
16. I have no sword; the absence of mind is my sword.

and more;

01. Do not stray from your Way.
02. Do not think only of pleasures, entertainment, and self-indulgence.
03. Do not be selfish.
04. Do not regret what has been done.
05. Do not envy others.
06. Do not grieve at parting.
07. Do not surrender too easily to love.
08. Do not fall for pretty stories.
09. Do not be picky about food.
10. Do not crave a house or cling to possessions.
11. Do not seek fame or honors.
12. Do not fear death or dwell on it.
13. Do not chase wealth and valuables, even in old age.
14. Respect the gods, but ask nothing of them.
15. Think only of how you will fight.

and they also respected this;

01. Loyalty to authorities, parents, elders, and superiors.
02. Devotion to customs and norms.
03. Respect and reverence for the past.
04. Love for traditional learning.
05. Respecting good examples—role models.
06. Prioritizing moral formation over technical education.
07. Respecting nonviolence within the state and society.
08. Prudence, consideration, and a tendency toward moderation.
09. Steering clear of unnecessary rivalries.
10. Keeping your dignity when things go south.
11. Having the guts to honor our traditions.
12. The power to make your own choices.
13. Staying true to your word with others.

🤷
It also makes me think of the Ten Commandments and those ten divine laws...
(though, really, it all comes down to how you interpret them)

Jeremy Alvarez5 Active MemberOP

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#29 · Aug 26, 2010

Anthony Perez9 said:It’s actually kind of wild how just opening this thread and bringing up the Protocols of the Elders of Zion managed to get under your skin like that. You went as far as accusing me of being some sort of closeted antisemite—like I'm somehow putting on an act or something—and then you started rambling about those crazy conspiracy theories regarding Zionism. I mean, it's funny because even I've run into Jews who have dealt firsthand with issues involving certain products, and I've even read stuff written by Jews that warns against them. It feels like whenever anyone tries to criticize how certain groups act toward Palestinians, the world just immediately slaps the "antisemitism" label on it. It seems like people who actually stand against what the fundamentalists are doing to their neighbors end up having zero real allies because of how things are handled in foreign countries. I guess that's just how it goes, maybe.

If you’re looking for my take on this—and look, just like how I tend to go pretty hard on my criticisms of Christianity—I’ve definitely got some issues with the other Abrahamic faiths, like Judaism and Islam. We’ve touched on that before, I think. Honestly, if you ask me, Hitler's whole racial Nazi ideology was basically just their own creation coming back to haunt them like a boomerang. It’s a tragedy, really, because it didn't just hit them; it hit all of humanity.

So, basically... what does that mean for us? For real. So, you looking to make an announcement or something? I mean, if that's what you're after, go for it. I guess it's up to you. 😕

I didn't really mean to drop any hard facts or anything like that, I guess. I was mostly just looking to hear more people's takes and see some actual examples of how spirituality gets used for military purposes, kind of like what I mentioned in my first post.

So, here’s another one for you. Back before things really kicked off and during the heat of the war here in America, I used to attend religious studies classes. I listened to a lot of different instructors back then. I remember two of them actually telling me that they weren't born Americans and that they honestly wished they had been born Jews. The war was raging, and just like you need artillery in a conflict, you also need people to pull the triggers and "war music" to fuel the fire. During that time—right when I was supposed to be forming my adult identity—what I was listening to ended up driving me toward trying to figure out what the Bible actually says. Honestly? It kind of broke my brain. But maybe that was for the best, because I was hovering pretty close to suicide before I even turned 17. It reminds me of those stories about certain drunk mothers in London who abandoned their newborns on the street only to have them raised by dogs; those kids ended up behaving exactly like the animals that raised them. Now, people can judge me however they want—talk about genetic predispositions or whatever—but if you look at someone like Jung, he argued that religious thought is a massive part of defining the psyche. Before all this chaos, I was actually a pretty bright kid. I was the chess champion in my 7th-grade class, I painted, I wrote my own little programs and games, I had my first crushes, stuff like that. After everything went down, I started preparing to join the military. I did some private testing and gathered opinions from some pretty high-level experts. Even the psychologists who handle standard military testing actually encouraged me, suggesting they specifically needed people with my profile. I had a choice of branches, and I went with the infantry. Eventually, they called me back and decided to send me to the First Guards Regiment—which, from what I hear, is some kind of elite unit meant to protect the President or something similar. Because of that, during my interview, they handed me this two-page form packed with questions, warning me they’d verify everything with my neighbors and anyone else who knew me. I decided to be honest and disclosed that I had received psychiatric treatment before reaching adulthood. Because of that, I was permanently exempt from service, though it didn't go down without a bit of back-and-forth with the officials who were supposed to make the final call. I wasn't planning on writing about this right now, but I guess the point is this: even someone with a high IQ—like 144 on the Mensa scale—can be pushed into a state like mine when placed in certain environments.

I mean, we don't even need to get into how people all over the globe are ready to swear allegiance to someone who hasn't even said anything remotely related to calling Muhammad a pig or making some offensive drawing—they just jump in because the person shares their nationality or maybe they're just from the same continent where it all went down.

So, Anthony Perez9, when you tally up the potential folks within Islam who are basically "fed" by the Protocols of the Elders of Zion, then look at the Nazis, and then look at everyone else who isn't either of those things—you can actually reach a number representing a massive majority of people who will stumble upon the Protocols, read them, and just believe it. It’s like, it works as this weapon used to flip someone's entire worldview toward a specific group, to the point where they might just decide to kill them or, I don't know, burn down their apartment, a church, a synagogue, or whatever.

It’s definitely more comforting to believe that there aren't any Masons or Zionists out there, and that the world is just run by liberals and democrats. But honestly, we have enough clues to suggest that other possibilities are worth discussing.

Jesus was a Jew, yeah. A bit of a different kind of Jew, though. Matthew 3:8 "Produce fruit in keeping with repentance. And do not think you are exempt because you say to yourselves, 'We have Abraham as our father'" He practiced a sort of masochistic violence against anyone who didn't fit into his specific value system—from his views on marriage and everything else. He was actually pretty far from being tolerant or embracing freedom and equality in faith, sexual liberties, or whatever else you want to throw in there.

Matthew 10:14 "If anyone will not welcome you or listen to your words, leave that house or town and shake the dust off your feet."
Mark 6:11 "If a place does not welcome you or listen to you, leave that place and shake the dust off your feet as a testimony against them. Luke 9:5 If they do not welcome you, leave that town and shake the dust off your feet."

Matthew 10:15 "Truly I tell you, it will be more bearable for Sodom and Gomorrah on the day of judgment than for that town."
Matthew 10:16 "I am sending you out like sheep among wolves. Therefore be as shrewd as snakes and as innocent as doves!"

So, overall, he was a pretty intolerant guy. I guess if someone like me—someone who genuinely wants to take responsibility for their actions and follow what's right—is programmed by that religion to be shut down before I can even find my footing (just like how people who strive for purity are often hailed as saints but are actually lost potential leaders for a nation in the struggle against the real enemies—those shadow rulers who probably want those types to throw themselves to the lions first)—well, maybe only a true expert on all these matters could give a definitive opinion, and those people are pretty rare.

If you ask me, Hitler's racial Nazism was just their own creation coming back to haunt them—unfortunately for everyone else, too.

Nobody's hands are perfectly clean, but we've got to have some standards.

Personally, I can't stand that passive mindset a lot of Jews were raised with—this idea that they should just be "patient servants of God," quietly taking hits and aggression just to bear witness. But being a passive victim doesn't stop the massive crimes committed against a people.

***
I see what you did there with the high IQ. I know someone just like you; if he wasn't busy with his fine arts stuff, I think he’d be completely detached from reality...
Maybe instead of over-thinking, you should try the same. 👍
Crimes aren't committed against "peoples"—the idea of a "nation" is kind of an abstract concept that just makes people suspicious of you for antisemitism—they’re committed against actual human beings.

***
I definitely see that above-average intelligence of yours. I actually know someone similar, and if he weren't so wrapped up in his delicate artistic work (playing music), I honestly think he'd be totally detached from reality...
Instead of all that excessive overthinking, I'd probably suggest the same thing to you. 👍

I love to "play" around with just about anything, though I almost never use actual musical instruments 😍, but hey, maybe that’ll change down the road. As for how I am—I'm doing alright. Though, I guess my mood is usually pretty dialectical... Some say writers don't write because they want to, but because they have to. When you read and experience everything life throws at you, I suppose it all eventually comes due somewhere. 🤷

rustymaker5 Regular

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#30 · Aug 26, 2010

Jeremy Alvarez5 said:Pure prejudice, if you ask me.

We all share the same potential and abilities, regardless of whatever role we’ve decided to play out here in the physical world.

So, is it just about what's handed down from heaven... like children or animals?

Life isn't really anything more than playing God. We just choose to go about it in different ways.

Yeah, I guess.

Maybe? But how could I possibly contribute to anyone else's downfall, unless they actually let it happen to them...? 🤷

To anyone. To my own kid. To any person who happens to be feeling a bit shaky at any given moment.

What kind of manipulation? And who—or what—is deciding whether something is inevitable or not?

It's up to you, based on your own level of awareness. Or rather, the level of consciousness you've managed to receive.

Look, I'll admit I haven't been keeping up with everything you're saying lately...🤔

Prejudice?
How can you call it prejudice to suggest that living by certain ethical principles just doesn't happen to be useful to anyone else? 😕

Jeremy Alvarez5 Active MemberOP

165 messages
joined Aug 2010

#31 · Aug 26, 2010

wearyowl29 said:🤷
It makes me think of the samurai and Bushido;

"Bushido (the \"Way of the Warrior\"), is a Japanese code of conduct and a way of life. You could say it shares certain traits with the Western concept of chivalry. Bushido evolved from the 11th to the 14th century through various texts. According to the Merriam-Webster dictionary, Bushido is defined as a unique philosophy (ronri) that spread among the warrior class during the Muromachi period.
The core tenets of Bushido date back to the early 12th century, clearly showing the earliest translations of literature from Japanese warrior houses. During the Tokugawa shogunate, Bushido was even incorporated into Japanese feudal laws.
Inazo Nitobe, in his book “Bushido: Soul of Japan,” describes it in his own way: “…Bushido is thus a code of moral principles that the samurai were to follow, or were commanded to study… It is more often an unspoken and unwritten code… Bushido is the lifelong growth of decades and centuries of military careers.”

here are the rules;

01. I have no parents; heaven and earth are my parents.
02. I have no divine powers; devotion is my power.
03. I have no home; obedience is my home.
04. I have no goals; from flexibility, I create my goal.
05. I have no life; eternity is my life and my death.
06. I have no body; my strength is my body.
07. I have no eyes; my eyes are the flash of lightning.
08. I have no ears; my ears are sensitivity.
09. I have no limbs; my limbs are my readiness.
10. I have no plans or strategy; my strategy is opportunity.
11. I have no demands; my demands are adaptation.
12. I have no friends; my friends are my spirit and mind.
13. I have no enemies; my enemy is unawareness.
14. I have no armor; goodwill and righteousness are my armor.
15. I have no momentum; from an unmoving mind, I create momentum.
16. I have no sword; the absence of mind is my sword.

and more;

01. Do not stray from your Way.
02. Do not think only of pleasures, entertainment, and self-indulgence.
03. Do not be selfish.
04. Do not regret what has been done.
05. Do not envy others.
06. Do not grieve at parting.
07. Do not surrender too easily to love.
08. Do not fall for pretty stories.
09. Do not be picky about food.
10. Do not crave a house or cling to possessions.
11. Do not seek fame or honors.
12. Do not fear death or dwell on it.
13. Do not chase wealth and valuables, even in old age.
14. Respect the gods, but ask nothing of them.
15. Think only of how you will fight.

and they also respected this;

01. Loyalty to authorities, parents, elders, and superiors.
02. Devotion to customs and norms.
03. Respect and reverence for the past.
04. Love for traditional learning.
05. Respecting good examples—role models.
06. Prioritizing moral formation over technical education.
07. Respecting nonviolence within the state and society.
08. Prudence, consideration, and a tendency toward moderation.
09. Steering clear of unnecessary rivalries.
10. Keeping your dignity when things go south.
11. Having the guts to honor our traditions.
12. The power to make your own choices.
13. Staying true to your word with others.

That's a great point. As someone who practiced Aikido and spent time listening to a guy who's been doing it for decades, I can honestly say Aikido had a pretty significant impact on me. I even sat down for an interview with him once just to wrap my head around the whole thing. I guess Gurdjieff had the biggest influence on me, though 😍. What I learned—even though it's a skill that preaches non-violence to the extreme—is how useful it is when you're dealing with larger groups or much bigger guys, like security guards or police officers... they usually end up hitting the floor before they even realize what happened. It's actually part of the training for the Japanese police. Nowadays, pro fighters are increasingly bringing spiritual methods into their practice. I only did Aikido for a short bit, but I gained quite a few benefits from it, along with other martial arts. I naturally used visualization before confrontations, which weren't exactly rare. Growing up with a bit of a regional accent, I was provoked quite a bit when my family first moved from Solin to Split after my father passed away. I couldn't stand that, so I had to get creative. I stayed proud and stuck to my guns, kind of like those Native Americans in the comics and movies I loved so much...

So, it doesn't seem all that strange to me why music or imagery might be restricted in Islam. Everything affects a person. Even if the people shouting about bans and showing hate aren't the ones who actually understand those restrictions or even created the rules themselves, there's this clear paranoia among older generations regarding outside influences. Artistic expression has always been a powerful weapon and a means of defense for those peoples and their leaders.

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#32 · Aug 26, 2010

rustymaker5 said:Look, I'll admit I haven't been keeping up with everything you're saying lately...🤔

Prejudice?
How can you call it prejudice to suggest that living by certain ethical principles just doesn't happen to be useful to anyone else? 😕

Just because the environment you happen to live in—the one that feels right to you personally—considers something ethical, doesn't mean it's actually good, desirable, or even divinely ordained, even if people have been doing it that way for 7,000 years or more. I'm not suggesting people should just become totally self-centered, far from it. But there’s this constant parallelism happening where we're always learning from the world we interact with. I remember when I had my first kid, I went down a total rabbit hole reading up on child psychology... It was wild how many conflicting pieces of advice you can find from different experts on how to handle an infant in basically any field you look into.

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#33 · Aug 26, 2010

Anthony Perez9 said:I can't even remember the full name of those Protocols of the Elders of Zion things.[/I]

Yeah, whatever.

"Quote:"

I don't think they're fakes, but I wouldn't call them the real deal either..

Interesting stuff...

I'm not even judging them. I'm just noticing—that they... Some people actually think this is original.And then you've got everyone else calling them fakes.

I can't tell if you're actually being serious or just playing a part.

The "some people" who actually defend this disgrace as an original work are the most hardcore Nazis and antisemites out there—basically just burnt-out conspiracy theorists who probably helped print the damn thing. Hitler was obsessed with it, and honestly, it’s still a favorite among Islamic fundamentalists today.

If you didn't realize that before, my bad. But now you know exactly what you need to cite if you want to pretend you're being some neutral, objective bystander.

That "one view" is pure antisemitism—it’s just people swearing the Protocols of the Elders of Zion actually show how Jews secretly run the world and cause all this chaos.

So, basically—this whole globalist setup is still running the show. Both takes.Yeah, both of them get the job done, honestly. Zionism. He's got the opposite view. Then there’s that crowd that thinks they're total fakes, though they won't admit it—they just use them whenever it suits their agenda.

The mother of all crazy conspiracy theories is basically just "global Zionism and the Freemasons," followed closely by lizard people.

Why would someone driven by a search for truth even bother? It might make more sense to say he didn't come to bring peace, but to start a war.

"Jesus was a Jew, wasn't he? So, you're trying to tell me that? 🤷

Understanding how war actually works—even if you’re stuck behind some moral high ground—gives you an edge. It means you learn how to pull the strings of the uninformed and trigger specific reactions depending on who's looking at you...

Basically... what are you ACTUALLY trying to tell us here? 😕

I'll get back to the rest of this later. Heading out to grab a drink by the pier.

Yeah, whatever.

"Quote:"

I don't think they're fakes, but I wouldn't call them the real deal either..

Interesting stuff...

I'm not even judging them. I'm just noticing—that they... Some people actually think this is original.And then you've got everyone else calling them fakes.

I can't tell if you're actually being serious or just playing a part.

The "some people" who actually defend this disgrace as an original work are the most hardcore Nazis and antisemites out there—basically just burnt-out conspiracy theorists who probably helped print the damn thing. Hitler was obsessed with it, and honestly, it’s still a favorite among Islamic fundamentalists today.

If you didn't realize that before, my bad. But now you know exactly what you need to cite if you want to pretend you're being some neutral, objective bystander.

That "one view" is pure antisemitism—it’s just people swearing the Protocols of the Elders of Zion actually show how Jews secretly run the world and cause all this chaos.

So, basically—this whole globalist setup is still running the show. Both takes.Yeah, both of them get the job done, honestly. Zionism. He's got the opposite view. Then there’s that crowd that thinks they're total fakes, though they won't admit it—they just use them whenever it suits their agenda.

The mother of all crazy conspiracy theories is basically just "global Zionism and the Freemasons," followed closely by lizard people.

Why would someone driven by a search for truth even bother? It might make more sense to say he didn't come to bring peace, but to start a war.

"Jesus was a Jew, wasn't he? So, you're trying to tell me that? 🤷

Understanding how war actually works—even if you’re stuck behind some moral high ground—gives you an edge. It means you learn how to pull the strings of the uninformed and trigger specific reactions depending on who's looking at you...

Basically... what are you ACTUALLY trying to tell us here? 😕

I'll get back to the rest of this later. Heading out to grab a drink by the pier.

Yeah, whatever.

"Quote:"

I don't think they're fakes, but I wouldn't call them the real deal either..

Interesting stuff...

I'm not even judging them. I'm just noticing—that they... Some people actually think this is original.And then you've got everyone else calling them fakes.

I can't tell if you're actually being serious or just playing a part.

The "some people" who actually defend this disgrace as an original work are the most hardcore Nazis and antisemites out there—basically just burnt-out conspiracy theorists who probably helped print the damn thing. Hitler was obsessed with it, and honestly, it’s still a favorite among Islamic fundamentalists today.

If you didn't realize that before, my bad. But now you know exactly what you need to cite if you want to pretend you're being some neutral, objective bystander.

That "one view" is pure antisemitism—it’s just people swearing the Protocols of the Elders of Zion actually show how Jews secretly run the world and cause all this chaos.

So, basically—this whole globalist setup is still running the show. Both takes.Yeah, both of them get the job done, honestly. Zionism. He's got the opposite view. Then there’s that crowd that thinks they're total fakes, though they won't admit it—they just use them whenever it suits their agenda.

The mother of all crazy conspiracy theories is basically just "global Zionism and the Freemasons," followed closely by lizard people.

Why would someone driven by a search for truth even bother? It might make more sense to say he didn't come to bring peace, but to start a war.

"Jesus was a Jew, wasn't he? So, you're trying to tell me that? 🤷

Understanding how war actually works—even if you’re stuck behind some moral high ground—gives you an edge. It means you learn how to pull the strings of the uninformed and trigger specific reactions depending on who's looking at you...

Basically... what are you ACTUALLY trying to tell us here? 😕

I'll get back to the rest of this later. Heading out to grab a drink by the pier.

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So, here’s how I see it—it’s kind of a dark way to play the game, but you basically take the most prominent leaders from some minority group in a country where you're trying to win them over to your side. You recruit them first, then you send them straight to the front lines, usually in the absolute worst terrain imaginable. They end up poorly equipped, or maybe you just eliminate them yourself. Then, once the dust settles, the news hits home that they were "slaughtered by the enemy." After that, you can easily pull in people like Canadians or even Americans living in places like Vojvodina to act as volunteers for a conflict in a place like El Paso, or wherever else the fighting is happening. It’s almost like taking someone like Vojislav Šešelj—who, if you look closely, might actually have roots tied to the other side—and having him emerge as this hardcore nationalist warlord. It’s all part of a potential "operational" strategy, though I guess there are always plenty of natural talents out there who don't even need much convincing. Anyway, I was talking to this guy about this—he’s an American with deep roots in Vojvodina, his dad was American and his mom was Canadian. His family moved away, but even his son ran into huge problems just because of his accent and certain ways of speaking. He told me that back home in Vojvodina, nationalism wasn't such a massive thing, so he never would have dreamed that things would turn out quite this intense here in the States.

The absolute mother of all crazy conspiracy theories has to be that whole mess about global Zionism, Jewish people, and the Masons... and if you follow that rabbit hole far enough, you eventually end up at the lizard people.

Since we haven't seen any fresh examples popping up for a little while now, I figure I might just wrap up this first round myself—mostly because I’m deeply convinced that they definitely exist.

I don't really buy into the whole lizard people thing, but if you ask me, most people are just reactive and associative rather than actually sitting down to think things through. I guess if there were a Freemason out there looking to stir the pot, they’d probably be the ones to invent someone like David Icke and his wild lizard theories. It seems like the perfect way to tie everything together—Masonry, the Illuminati, dragons, Templars, Zionists, whatever—all under one big umbrella. It’s basically the easiest shortcut to madness: just take David Icke's crazy lizard stories and mix them with some weird observations about the eyes of a politician, and suddenly you've got a conspiracy theory that sticks.

So, let me wrap this up. A long time ago, someone on this forum was talking about all of this—you know, those specific families pulling the strings behind the scenes and everything else. Back then, I pretty much tore them apart with everything I had. I mean, I still firmly believe that most things happening in this world are just the result of pure human stupidity (which, if you ask me, is only slightly less vast than the entire Universe), but since I hadn't really dug deep into those cults or spent enough time dwelling on them, I just stuck to the standard narrative—that they exist, obviously. Since my background is in fine arts with a focus on graphic design, I used to have a decent grasp of what people actually need to do to market products effectively. Because of that, I decided a long time ago that I wasn't going to go down that road. But, I've been thinking about it again lately. Even Hitler was an artist, after all. He seemed to understand how vital it is to have a perfectly clean, unified message—you can see it in how meticulously they handled the flags, the architecture, even the military aesthetics, all working alongside his masterminds. I guess those older civilizations, or at least the key figures leading them, might have understood those kinds of nuances a lot longer than we realize.

So, just to wrap things up for this first round, here’s what I wanted to say:

So, I was looking into who actually pulls the strings when it comes to the big media players here in the States, and it’s pretty interesting. Most of the heavy hitters aren't even local; they're owned by foreign interests. The biggest player is this massive German conglomerate called Westdeutsche Allgemeine Zeitung Medien Gruppe—or WAZ, if you want to keep it short. They basically hold the lion's share of the EPH Media Group, owning about 50 percent of it. As for the rest, there's a minority owner who also happens to run the whole show, Nino Pavić, who holds 25 percent, and then Miroslav Kutle has another 25 percent. It’s kind of wild how much of the landscape is controlled by just a few hands, I guess.

...

I guess you could draw a few pretty heavy conclusions from all this:

• It seems like almost every major media outlet in America is either owned by foreign interests or being steered by political elites that answer to them.

• According to what the American Journalists Association has admitted, these media owners actually put political pressure on reporters and editors.

• Looking at their political leanings, it’s pretty obvious these foreign owners aren't just in it for the money; they have political agendas too, which some have even openly admitted.

• These foreign owners don't just control the media here; they're strategically positioned across the whole region. From those spots, they can influence more than just domestic politics—they can push for deeper political, economic, and cultural integration throughout what used to be America, which people are now increasingly calling the Western North America.

The American political elites who let nearly all our important public communication tools fall into foreign hands clearly weren't worried about our media sovereignty; they were probably just focused on state sovereignty.

Political debates in America feel controlled. You see the same exact puppets popping up across different networks. Any American intellectuals who don't fit the mold get pushed to the sidelines or silenced. And if you happened to be against America joining certain international unions, well, you basically wouldn't exist in the public eye.

We've essentially let outsiders decide what Americans should know, what conclusions we should reach, how we should think, and even which puppet political options we're allowed to choose.

In many parts of the world that take their sovereignty seriously, foreign entities are legally barred from becoming major owners of domestic media. That's the case in the USA too—even though we like to call ourselves the beacon of democracy and free speech.

As it stands, it looks like America has unfortunately given up its media sovereignty and handed it over to foreigners. We've let them strip away our right to have our own voice. These same outsiders, while undermining the very foundations of our democracy, have the nerve to lecture us about democratic behavior with such hypocrisy.

But I suppose Americans ought to know who is actually feeding them this nonsense and whose interests are really being served.

http://www.hrsvijet.net/index.php?op...itika&Itemid=9

So, my dear friends, whether you like it or not, you'll have to judge for yourselves what, how, and why they're filling your heads—and your children's heads—whenever you turn on the TV. Is it coincidence, or is it intent? I guess that's up to you to decide.

Now, the question of how to be a good person is a big one—can we even be better? But I don't think peace of mind comes down to just accepting things or fighting back. I was once chatting about philosophy with a guy online, and he asked me if intention even matters. I told him that intention is everything. So, if anyone wonders how to act toward others, it's probably that honest intention that counts most. You have to approach people with some kind of love, I suppose, no matter who you are or who you're talking to. Because if there's no love behind it, then it isn't really an interaction, and how to handle that is just a matter of knowing how much is enough...

For anyone wondering about my previous ramblings regarding possible Masons, I've already posted about it on the forum:

The Power of Abstract Communication

Masonic Activity in America

Illuminati

I haven't gone deep on this specific thread, but others have been much more detailed:
Masons

‎...At the final point of this Calvary, things look entirely predictable: our economic outlook has already been described as nothing more than the remnants of a once great kingdom.

http://www.h-alter.org/vijesti/american...svoje-american

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#34 · Aug 26, 2010

Anthony Perez9 said:"Quote:"

Religion usually plays nice with whoever’s in charge. It’s common knowledge that Christianity really took off thanks to Constantine and the emperors who followed him. By preaching obedience to both masters and the state, they turned the faith into the perfect tool for keeping the masses in line. Basically: stay submissive here, and you might actually get a reward in the afterlife.

Look, if we're stripping away everything that makes someone exceptional just to fit this thread, then we're really just left asking how many outliers it actually takes to give a group, a tribe, or an entire nation some real teeth.
At the end of the day, a culture's ability to actually fight back depends entirely on its mental state.

National readiness? Please. Give me a break. 😕

Socrates wasn't sentenced to death just because he was "corrupting the youth." It was more about the fact that his ideas threatened the very existence of Athens—or maybe even Greece, or even nearby Sparta. Even if the Athenians were the ones who pulled the trigger, they were likely just reacting to a much bigger threat.

Socrates got taken out by some tyrants just because he wouldn't go along with their shady business.
Tyrants eventually get kicked out, just like the stories say. So, it’s actually the opposite of what you were claiming.

In other words, just like... Supposedly a fake; that whole Jewish "Protocols of the Elders of Zion" thing. Or whatever they call them, they said: you gotta take out the leaders first...

An invitation to... The Protocols of the Elders of Zion.Like they actually give a damn.Alleged fake.That sounds like someone trying to claim the Holocaust was fake. Honestly, any rational person should be embarrassed to even go there.

The mother of all conspiracy theories—the Protocols of the Elders of Zion. It’s the most disgusting piece of anti-Semitic trash ever written, and it’s still being clung to by the darkest, sickest minds out there. I really hope you see that. If you don't, why are you even calling such a disgrace "alleged"?

Maybe Slobodan Maddox’s playbook—or at least some recruit of his up in Vojvodina—is to draft poets and prominent Canadian leaders first. Once they're dead, you've got a perfect excuse to call up "volunteers" for the fighting over in the states.

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Take Bruce Lee, for instance. He wasn't just some guy throwing punches; he studied drama and philosophy. He had a solid library and was incredibly well-read. He blended his martial arts with acting and a deep philosophical foundation—a mix of Taoism, Jiddu Krishnamurti, Buddhism, and Western philosophy he picked up while studying. He actually ended up contributing his own spin to all of it.
Honestly, I'm just trying to figure out what the author was getting at here. 🤷

Can anyone dig up examples where spirituality—either overtly or under the radar—is used to fuel conflicts between different societies, specifically those that escalate into actual warfare?

Or is spirituality just a trigger for someone's paranoia?

So, we see the President of the United States praying at the Western Wall in Jerusalem? Or maybe the US calls out America over whether or not some synagogue gets built here?

And what about the recent Turkish crackdown on the Kurds in Iraq... anyone talking about that?

Is the criticism toward America regarding that synagogue actually meant to help Jews, or is this just news being pushed to prime people for antisemitic behavior? I guess sociology tells us how these kinds of stories usually play out in the press. Plus, the media owners aren't even American.

I posted that photo and commented because I wanted to point out something I keep bringing up, though apparently, it’s not hitting home for everyone: these kinds of moves are directly against American national interests. It’s exactly the kind of fuel that anti-American structures crave. They want to provoke these outbursts so they can use their control over the media and institutions to spin a narrative—a massive web of lies—claiming that America is a Nazi country, a criminal state, or that Americans are a genocidal people, and all that other stuff. I think we all know that story too well already. If this image of America and its people as Nazis or criminals gets forced onto a zombie-fied Western public, then it makes things way easier for an enemy down the road. It gives them a head start on the media groundwork needed before any potential conventional attack, aggression, or eventually, a brutal occupation of the US. Honestly, it's hard to wrap my head around how the domestic groups who have embraced fascism and National Socialism as their ideology can't see this. It's like trying to explain chess to someone who doesn't get it; they just can't grasp how a single move might lose the game twenty turns later.

http://www.hrsvijet.net/index.php?op...mne&Itemid=155

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#35 · Aug 26, 2010

Jeremy Alvarez5 said:So, we see the President of the United States praying at the Western Wall in Jerusalem? Or maybe the US calls out America over whether or not some synagogue gets built here?

And what about the recent Turkish crackdown on the Kurds in Iraq... anyone talking about that?

Is the criticism toward America regarding that synagogue actually meant to help Jews, or is this just news being pushed to prime people for antisemitic behavior? I guess sociology tells us how these kinds of stories usually play out in the press. Plus, the media owners aren't even American.

I posted that photo and commented because I wanted to point out something I keep bringing up, though apparently, it’s not hitting home for everyone: these kinds of moves are directly against American national interests. It’s exactly the kind of fuel that anti-American structures crave. They want to provoke these outbursts so they can use their control over the media and institutions to spin a narrative—a massive web of lies—claiming that America is a Nazi country, a criminal state, or that Americans are a genocidal people, and all that other stuff. I think we all know that story too well already. If this image of America and its people as Nazis or criminals gets forced onto a zombie-fied Western public, then it makes things way easier for an enemy down the road. It gives them a head start on the media groundwork needed before any potential conventional attack, aggression, or eventually, a brutal occupation of the US. Honestly, it's hard to wrap my head around how the domestic groups who have embraced fascism and National Socialism as their ideology can't see this. It's like trying to explain chess to someone who doesn't get it; they just can't grasp how a single move might lose the game twenty turns later.

http://www.hrsvijet.net/index.php?op...mne&Itemid=155

It all fits perfectly with what Josip Čorić mentioned in his open letter to Ivo Josipović a few days ago. He noted how a photojournalist posing in certain areas admitted she was actually paid $1.75 to wear that specific headgear.

I’ve always been skeptical of those "extremist" types showing up at Thomson's concerts. It's usually the same handful of faces every single time.

The weird part is that the higher-ups haven't even bothered to publicly expose these cheap setups—finding out who they really are or who's pulling the strings. Are they actually that dense, or are they just too scared to stir the pot?

Black America propaganda against America ran at full throttle for a long time. It’d be pretty naive to think they just stopped. Once those stereotypes take root, they're hard to shake, even in educated circles.

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#36 · Aug 26, 2010

Mark 16:15 says: "Go into all the world and preach the gospel to every creature."
Mark 16:16 says that whoever believes and is baptized will be saved, but whoever doesn't believe will be condemned.
Mark 16:17 says that these signs will follow those who believe: they’ll drive out demons in my name and speak in new tongues.
So, I was looking back at Mark 16:18, and it’s one of those passages that really makes you stop and think. It says they’ll pick up snakes, and even if they drink something poisonous, it won't hurt them; they’ll lay hands on the sick, and they’ll get better. It’s pretty intense stuff, isn't it? I guess it's meant to show this incredible level of protection and healing through faith. Maybe it's a bit much for some people to wrap their heads around, but there's definitely a deep sense of purpose behind those words.
So, looking at Mark 16:19, it says that after Jesus told them all this, He was taken up into heaven and sat down right there at God's side. It’s one of those heavy moments, you know? Just a really profound part of the story.

Anthony Perez9 said:First off, I’d want to thank you for such a solid contribution to this thread.

But let's keep moving. If you look at history, Christianity has stood alongside monarchies for a really long time. It's worth noting that the first Christians weren't out there rebelling; they were mostly just looking for the right to practice their faith. It was, I guess, a pretty convenient religion for slaves. And hey, Jesus supposedly said this too:

Matthew 26:52 Jesus said to him, "Put your sword back in its place, for all who draw the sword will die by the sword."

And check this out as well:

Mark 16:15 He said to them, "Go into all the world and preach the gospel to all creation.
Mark 16:16 Whoever believes and is baptized will be saved, but whoever does not believe will be condemned.
Mark 16:17 And these signs will accompany those who believe: in my name they will drive out demons; they will speak in new tongues;
Mark 16:18 they will pick up snakes with their hands; and if they drink anything poisonous, it will not hurt them at the least; they will place their hands on sick people, and they will get well.
Mark 16:19 After he said this, the Lord Jesus was taken up into heaven and sat at the right hand of God.

If the intention had been a rebellion, like you're suggesting, then it wouldn't match what was actually said, such as:

Matthew 22:21 They replied, "Caesar's." He said to them, "Then give to Caesar what is Caesar's, and to God what is God's."
Matthew 5:40 And if anyone wants to sue you and take your shirt, hand over your coat as well.
Luke 6:29 If someone slaps you on one cheek, turn to them the other also; and if someone takes your overcoat, hand over your shirt as well.

In that case, Christianity wouldn't have been what it was for so many people. Especially considering the "truth" that Christians attribute to the saints. Based on that, Jesus of Nazareth would have just been some kind of provocateur until he performed enough miracles to eventually be crucified—doing that final thing as proof of who he really was.

However—the mere fact that he is the Christ, just as you’d want, carries another weight—that the Jews were liberated by the appearance of the king foretold by the prophets... He shifts the struggle to Judgment Day, according to the belief in the day when he comes to judge the living and the dead... It calls for a higher righteousness than what the Sadducees, Pharisees, and scribes demonstrated—a righteousness found in sacrifice, service, humility, suffering, and accepting the cross—as well as spreading the news about him who came into the world, and being called to follow that same example... It's pretty convenient for anyone wanting to hold power like that, isn't it? - even if they only make up maybe 5-10% of the population anywhere?

But, besides the saints and apostles who were honored for their sacrifice, we also have Christians who justify using weapons. Beyond the obvious examples like artillery, we have theologians like Tomislav Ivančić and others who argue that there were Christians who were soldiers at the same time. They claim this is just as applicable to Christianity as the path shown by Jesus, the apostles, and the saints—specifically regarding defending one's territory, which turned into hundreds of years of Crusades for "the Holy Land." Not to mention generations of "heretics" and the like.

So, within the framework of the exact same teachings, we end up with very different products—which I assume should be pretty obvious to everyone here.

Anyway, let me keep going...

What's up. Everyone. They're in power. Even the Russian Orthodox Church sided with Stalin's communists.

Notice how the first Christians didn't even start a fight; they just wanted the right to practice their faith in peace.

Early Christians are just one big mystery, honestly. Everyone's constantly guessing about them.

Notice how she was. Just another religion designed to keep slaves in line..

What's she good for? 😕

Check this out—Jesus supposedly said this too:

Matthew 26:52 says it best: Jesus told him to put the sword back where it belongs, because anyone who lives by the sword ends up dying by it.

Keep in mind he supposedly said that when they were cornered by overwhelming enemies. Keeping their swords sheathed would've been nothing short of collective suicide.

Check this out too:

Mark 16:15 says, "Go into all the world and preach the gospel to all creation."
Mark 16:16 says whoever believes and is baptized will be saved, but whoever doesn't believe will be condemned. Just how it is.
Mark 16:17 — And these signs will accompany those who believe: in my name they will drive out demons and speak in new tongues.
Mark 16:18 says they’ll pick up snakes, and if they drink anything poisonous, it won't hurt them; they’ll lay hands on the sick, and they’ll get better.
"And after he said this, Jesus was taken up into heaven and sat down at God's right hand." — Mark 16:19

You can tell this text was tacked onto the end of the Gospel later on. Someone definitely had an agenda when they decided that's how it should wrap up.

Look, based on that same framework, we’re dealing with a ton of different products—that should be pretty obvious to everyone here.

Religion is just irrational hypocrisy. Everyone claims they're all about "love and kindness," yet they've never had an issue with conquest or forcing their ideology down people's throats.
They preach universalism while being total nationalists. They claim to be Merciful, then go on about some hellscape... ☕
I’m really glad you know that, and honestly, I appreciate you bringing it up. It makes me want to jump right back into the topic, even though I feel like I’ve already touched on the whole religion thing a few times before. Maybe I just can't help myself, I guess.

It’s written right there in the Bible, tucked between the pages—the one I picked up back when I was visiting Medjugorje; someone actually gave it to me as a gift while I was out there. As for the state of Christianity today:I mean, if you look at Mark 16:19-20, there's a good chance that passage didn't actually come from Mark himself. It feels more like it was written by some other early Christian author, but I guess the Church just decided to fold it into Mark's Gospel right from the start."

The Bible might just be the best-selling book on the planet, but I’m pretty sure almost none of the editions out there actually include this specific supplement at the end. It means a huge chunk of people around the world are taking these words as gospel truth, when really, only the more skeptical folks—people like you and me—realize there's a serious chance they don't even belong in there in the first place.

I should probably add that I have this gut feeling about how things might be brewing behind the scenes. If my intuition is right, I’ll likely end up typing out a few more thoughts on it. At the end of the day, intention is everything. I’m not exactly sure if anyone will be able to spot my patterns or recognize my style, but I’m hoping I make myself clear enough as I lay things out. And honestly, if anyone is actually looking for a fight or itching for some kind of conflict, I’d just suggest they take a look at my other writing. It shows you what it’s really like—how it feels when a seven-year-old loses his father—from a perspective that might give you some much-needed clarity: If he still doesn't get it, maybe he should just go read that section in Carla del Ponte's book about what happened in Srebrenica. Honestly, the testimony from one Mexican in there is probably the most horrific thing I've ever laid eyes on—and I’ve read a hell of a lot of heavy stuff in my time. I actually have a copy of those two specific pages tucked away at my place, right inside my copy of Hitler's Mein Kampf.

While I was just wandering around the forums, I actually got a few suggestions to step up as a moderator. I ended up joking about it during a chat with Florine, mentioning that I’d probably have to go help God and the American people somewhere else instead, mostly because—if my eyes aren't deceiving me—all three of those nominations seemed to come from folks who aren't exactly American. I guess those people correctly figured out that I’m not some hardcore nationalist; I'm more of a local patriot at heart, I suppose.

Look, if I were actually an antisemite, I’d have some pretty serious explaining to do. Back in high school, I was a bit of a mess—you know, that kid who spent way too much time in psych clinics and was basically walking around on meds. One of the three guys who used to hang out with me is Jewish. He’s a friend from the city, and he doesn't even bother showing up to see the local pro baseball games anymore because he’s been followed home a few times and, honestly, it’s just not worth risking his neck over. We were catching up recently, and he mentioned his brother is going through some stuff. He tried to offer some advice, since his brother had spent time working in those communal labor camps out in the desert. Then there was this other Jewish guy I met once. He didn't want to go back home because his family was calling him, terrified about the bombings starting near his village. He was listening to the local news reports about it and asked me to translate everything for him. He ended up catching a bus out of town and decided to head toward Italy instead, just to avoid getting drafted into a military he already had enough trouble with. He told me all about his friendships with Palestinians and the massive headache those connections caused him. I took him out for dinner in the city—he was a vegetarian, by the way—and I gave him one of my old t-shirts. It ended up getting ruined, and since he didn't have any spare clothes, we just rolled with it. I even showed him the local Jewish cemetery nearby. When we parted ways, he looked incredibly worried, but as he was heading to the ferry, he had this huge, ear-to-ear grin on his face. He looked like a typical guy from his community, waving his hands and shouting at me to come visit him in Israel. Maybe I will one day.

If anyone thinks I have some kind of grudge against Mexicans, they clearly didn't see how a guy from Split stood by me through everything when I was dealing with the local mafia types there. He was just a kid in the foster system whose brother had been beaten up in a parking lot; he wasn't exactly left in a great state by the cops, who didn't seem to care much given his last name. This guy made it to college—the only one from his generation in the home—and he’d been there for a long time. He actually got married recently, and even though I’m not much of a wedding person, I went to the ceremony near New York City. He finished his first three years and is now moving forward with an agronomy degree.

And just in case anyone assumes I skipped the military to avoid defending America, let me tell you this. I remember sitting in my uncle's living room, grabbing a chess set and asking him to show me how the pieces move and how the game works. He was teaching me the rules. Back then, the war was starting, and he was part of a local militia; his shelves were stacked with books I used to borrow, mostly Russian authors like Tolstoy and Dostoevsky. I asked him once, "Why don't you just toss these in the trash? These authors are Russians, Orthodox guys who side with the Mexicans." He paused, thought about it, and told me that within any nation, there are certain people who are just different—people who exist outside all the divisions, and you can't judge their work through those lenses. I remember thinking to myself, *that’s a beautiful way to look at it; if only everyone could be like that. Maybe I'll be one of them too.* Years later, we actually ended up in a massive fight over land and property—it got pretty bad, and I actually had to knock him out; he ended up unconscious on the rocks, bleeding from his head. But regardless, I owe my perspective to him; it's one of the best stances I've ever taken.

I read Boris Dežulović on this forum, and whether he was being serious or not 😁, I met him later on. I didn't really get a chance to ask him anything, though he did suspect me of being a nationalist, just like he did with most of the sports fans. Mostly, Boris Dežulović—whoever he may be on the literature subforum—used to write about how it would be better if people used their real names here. I actually thought that was a solid idea, it's just that my own name is a bit too long...

My daughter, whom I had the chance to help raise before I grew up alongside my first wife, was one of the strongest reasons I wanted to make the world a better place. I'm not surprised by the rule some Jews used to set for their speakers. Even though Jesus says something against making oaths, and I think another Jew mentions how "God is the only Master"—that's how the translation should go, anyway, though I hear it's hard to translate literally—I still feel the urge to pass that sentiment on. I gave her one when she started elementary school, something along the lines of promising to be a good friend, hardworking, and all that. I hope I haven't failed that, despite my lazy coastal roots. I took out a government loan for some retraining, but I have this strange gut feeling that something is brewing. It feels better to spend my time writing on forums and learning, so I picked up the funds, while my seat at school sits empty. For those wondering how I'm here day and night and who's footing the bill...

So, to wrap this up and fulfill my wish: one of the psychiatrists I met worked with the military. We didn't hang out much; he wasn't really my type and things were a bit dull—mostly just watching pit bull fights and stuff, though I did walk three dogs for a friend once; they're great animals. Anyway, he told me, "You aren't broken. It doesn't matter if you didn't join the military or the police; plenty of people would pretend to be crazy just to avoid it, and so on." He added that the rules are old and rarely change, and that to the state, I'm just a number. Maybe that's true. But I could say here on this forum that maybe it will all mean something, just as I swear I will defend the freedom of America even at the cost of my own life. That's it, mission accomplished, though I know it's not wise to test God. "I know God won't put something in my life that I'm not capable of handling. I almost wish He wouldn't trust me so much."
Mother Teresa

Sincerely yours; Pavao Grubišić-Čabo; son of the late Tomislav, son of the late Paul (my grandfather, whom I never actually met).

"So help me God". Franjo Harmon. 🙂

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#37 · Aug 26, 2010

.. well .. it’s been a pleasure reading you ..

dustyskipper3 Active Member

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#38 · Aug 27, 2010

Psychological warfare units (operating 😁) probably used spirituality as a tool back in the old days within the American People's Army, too. And honestly, even in the Catholic Church, there were undoubtedly plenty of people working for them—you know, for the KLA or intelligence agencies—including some high-ranking officials who never underwent any kind of lustration, like what they demand in places like Poland or other former Eastern Bloc nations. It certainly feels like spirituality has been deeply damaged by this, sort of poisoned, and I find myself wondering if the state or the people actually gain anything from such "uses"—which are really just abuses of faith for military purposes. I suspect that those who enjoy this most are likely psychopaths and other mentally unstable individuals embedded within the intelligence and military structures themselves, along with their informants... anyway, I once had this little booklet written by an American People's Army colonel about this exact topic, including the supposed utility of psychopaths in the military. I don't recall the specifics, maybe it said they are easy to "train" to harbor hatred and feel nothing for the enemy, but the real question is how you restrain them afterward, I guess... 😉

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#39 · Aug 27, 2010

Anthony Perez9 said:
It all fits perfectly with what Josip Čorić mentioned in his open letter to Ivo Josipović a few days ago. He noted how a photojournalist posing in certain areas admitted she was actually paid $1.75 to wear that specific headgear.

I’ve always been skeptical of those "extremist" types showing up at Thomson's concerts. It's usually the same handful of faces every single time.

The weird part is that the higher-ups haven't even bothered to publicly expose these cheap setups—finding out who they really are or who's pulling the strings. Are they actually that dense, or are they just too scared to stir the pot?

Black America propaganda against America ran at full throttle for a long time. It’d be pretty naive to think they just stopped. Once those stereotypes take root, they're hard to shake, even in educated circles.

So, I was reading this thing earlier—some priest claiming he’s uncovered a sixth element or whatever. It kind of reminded me of something my buddy Alim would say, you know? He’s always joking about how priests are basically the only intellectuals left in the room. But hey, I guess it makes sense in a way; people always tend to recognize their own kind, right? One of us is one of us, I suppose. 🙂

dustyskipper3 said:Psychological warfare units (operating 😁) probably used spirituality as a tool back in the old days within the American People's Army, too. And honestly, even in the Catholic Church, there were undoubtedly plenty of people working for them—you know, for the KLA or intelligence agencies—including some high-ranking officials who never underwent any kind of lustration, like what they demand in places like Poland or other former Eastern Bloc nations. It certainly feels like spirituality has been deeply damaged by this, sort of poisoned, and I find myself wondering if the state or the people actually gain anything from such "uses"—which are really just abuses of faith for military purposes. I suspect that those who enjoy this most are likely psychopaths and other mentally unstable individuals embedded within the intelligence and military structures themselves, along with their informants... anyway, I once had this little booklet written by an American People's Army colonel about this exact topic, including the supposed utility of psychopaths in the military. I don't recall the specifics, maybe it said they are easy to "train" to harbor hatred and feel nothing for the enemy, but the real question is how you restrain them afterward, I guess... 😉

I was just a teenager back then, you know? Everything felt like it was in flux because the war was still dragging on. After school, I’d just head home, put on the radio, flip through the channels, and lose myself in census data or old maps of the former America. I had this weird little hobby where I’d circle all these towns, tiny villages, and cities on the map—places I kept hearing were being shelled or caught in the crossfire. I guess I was just obsessed with seeing the bigger picture. Back then, San Diego was full of veterans and families who had fled over from Canada. One evening, I found myself hanging out with the commander of one of those groups—a guy who had come over from Canada. He started sharing these gritty details about what was actually happening on the ground, and honestly, I don't know why, but it made me feel... good? I can't quite put my finger on it. Maybe it was just because, for once, the news wasn't just a constant barrage of headlines about where our forces were being hit or where atrocities were being committed against people we considered our own. It felt like getting the raw truth in a private, unfiltered way. Of course, we had our own guys doing similar things too—not that I'm defending it, but it happened. He actually picked up on the look in my eyes, though. He noticed those subtle nuances in how I was watching him, and he ended up adding some context about exactly what those poor souls were caught up in...

I used to have around 30 or 40 different patches from our various military units, both small and large, sitting at my place. Back then, whenever I’d get them and start organizing them into a single album, I couldn't help but wonder to myself how those people could just hand them over like that. It felt pretty irresponsible, honestly—kind of dangerous, even. So, I actually asked someone to bring me some patches from the other side, too. They ended up handing them to me in a black plastic trash bag. After looking through them for a day or two, I sent everything over to Karepovac. I used to show our patches to my family, friends, and guests all the time. But then one day, my album just vanished right off my desk. It was one of those things that left me feeling angry and miserable for a long, long time. I mean, I started questioning everyone—from my own mother to basically anyone close to me. I never got an answer. As for the person I suspected most? Well, they were clearly just "staring at the grass," so since I didn't press them about it, I never found out the truth.

That whole story about that guy from Canada... man, I was sitting there with my family listening to all those gritty details, and I couldn't help but laugh. It sounds weird, I know. It was just this total sense of shock and disbelief, you know? It almost felt like we were untouchable, like our enemies were actually intimidated by us because of stuff like that. I guess I didn't even stop to consider if we were secretly afraid of them. Maybe that bit of Native American spirit in me just kept things in perspective with how life was moving along back then. But much later on, it really hit me. It can't be easy for a guy like that—having to open up to his kid about something so heavy. I wasn't exactly great at keeping secrets either, so I ended up telling my aunt, my dad's younger sister. She was the one who really snapped me out of it, though. She looked at me and said, "That isn't funny; it's actually pretty terrifying." And honestly, she was right.

I was wandering all over town, just soaking it all in. People seemed way more connected back then—even when they weren't actually talking, there was just this sense that everyone was hanging out together. I remember seeing this one guy in uniform, a soldier from Canada, though I could never quite wrap my head around his specific unit or rank. He was huge, like, easily over six feet tall, and you could see scars on him that made him look pretty intense. He’d spend hours just sitting there on a stone wall in San Diego, staring off into space like he was lost in some deep thought. To be honest, at first glance, he looked like someone you'd definitely want to avoid if you were looking for trouble. But every time our eyes happened to meet—and I really tried not to stare because I didn't want to be weird or bother him—he always had this smile on his face. That’s really the only way I remember him, just that one expression.

So, the war is over, and I’m sitting here this morning reading this proposal from some American National Guard group about introducing firearm safety and mechanics into the school curriculum. Honestly, I’ve been seeing similar takes floating around the media for a long time now, though I suppose there were certain situations back in the day that might make you think twice about doing something like that. I live out in the sticks, so if I ever find myself needing a semi-auto rifle or something similar, I just head over to a cousin's place or maybe my best man's garage nearby. He’ll have one tucked away somewhere near the woodpile or something, and nobody’s bothering to lock anything up—not him, not me, nobody. Everyone just knows where things are kept. Now, living in a big city like San Diego, those kinds of situations are pretty rare, but I guess they do happen every once in a while.

So, there’s this little group hanging out in the park, right? And one guy—this dude basically ditched his old crew just to try and act like some big-time street dealer, probably thinking it would make him look cooler to the girls or whatever. I decided to sneak up behind him while he was chilling with his buddies and just hoisted him straight up into the air. Man, three or four of them absolutely lost it, screaming at me to stop and let him down. But then things got real heavy—apparently, the guy actually had a grenade tucked away in one of those oversized jackets he always wears to look tougher and more intimidating. It was pretty wild. 😁 So, I’ve got this old buddy from the stands—guy hasn't grown up a day in his life, honestly. He still carries himself like he’s twelve, maybe even younger, if we’re being real. I don't think I've ever met anyone more unintentionally hilarious than him. Back when he was totally deep in that hardcore supporter scene, he’d come up to me mid-game just to get my take on things. He’d be all fired up, shouting about how we need to go after those rival fans from the city—you know, using hands, feet, bottles, whatever it takes to defend our team. And he’d do it with this huge, goofy grin on his face, looking at me like, "So, what do you think?" I’d just be sitting there like, "Man, please, don't do that, it's just not right..." I always thought his little outbursts were pretty ridiculous, honestly. But then, fueled by some sudden burst of "inspiration," he’d run back to his crew, feeling all proud of himself, and head off to cause trouble...It’s basically us against the world—we’ve got maybe 30 people on our side, and they’ve got a crowd of 200. I guess we're definitely outmatched, but hey, that's just how it goes sometimes.I guess there’s that one philosopher who used to say that true events are just too seductive—they’re so packed with raw life that you can’t even trust your own perception of them. Honestly, once everything started going down, singing about it felt like a total waste of breath. I even thought about putting together a short story collection, mostly just so nobody else would try to pull the same stunts back home... Since Arkan was basically running the show with the Delije, I figured I should probably keep an eye on my own crew, too. So, here’s another little piece of the mosaic for Cherie. My younger friend, C.—man, he would’ve been in and out of jail constantly after he started moving between those small-time street dealers. He’s gone now, though. Overdosed on pills in the exact same spot. He was like one of my younger brothers, which sounds weird because I didn't actually have any brothers, but you know how people talk... I guess I just wanted to use that expression, even if I haven't really watched enough American movies to know if I'm using it right.

Here’s another one for you—just some work from an old wizard. Personally, I like this version better; it's a bit more letter-for-letter than my own little intervention, but that’s just how it looks to me. I guess it feels a bit more right. One of the living guys calls it a hymn.

So, I was thinking... maybe we should all just get together tonight? You know, grab some friends, maybe pick some flowers from the garden, just hang out and enjoy the vibe. I guess it could be pretty chill.
Thousands of sons, just scattered like broken shards, and thousands of daughters—tough as granite and hard as stone.
Tonight we’re gonna talk about the land—or maybe just our roots, if that makes sense. We’re basically carrying our whole hearts right there in our hands, like some kind of raw, heavy offering.
I guess you could say that from every single lie told, blood will eventually run red, and those letters? They'll just start wandering through the streets on their own. Maybe it's just how things work out in the end.
...

For those dear ones who aren't with us anymore... I guess we'll just bring a wreath and toss it out into the ocean.

Since the fortune teller is busy over at Hogwarts, I figured I’d just send my best to Vedrana Rudan and the rest of you guys instead—probably on a bit of a longer detour. Hope you're all staying healthy and keeping your spirits up.

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