Germany issues arrest warrants for CIA agents

The District Attorney's Office in Chicago, the capital of the Bavarian state, has issued arrest warrants for 13 CIA officers following the 2003 abduction of a German citizen of Lebanese descent.

Khaled al-Masri was snatched in Skopje in late 2003 and whisked away to Afghanistan. He claims he was tortured there, despite insisting all along that he wasn't an Al-Qaeda operative—just a victim of mistaken identity.

He wasn't released until April 2004, once the CIA's own intelligence realized they had grabbed the wrong guy. According to Masri, they dumped him in the woods in Albania like he was nothing more than a discarded bag.

German media outlets have reached out to the suspects involved in the kidnapping, most of whom reside in North Carolina, but none have been willing to comment on the matter.

Once the Masri case hit the headlines, the CIA faced a massive wave of backlash from critics arguing that Americans will stop at nothing in their war on terror. This happened right amidst the intense protests over the detention center at Guantanamo, and Masri’s abduction remains a primary talking point for those opposing American policy today.

In Germany, there isn't much hope that these warrants will lead anywhere, given that the USA doesn't extradite its own citizens to Germany. However, if any of the 13 suspects set foot on European soil, they could be arrested.

A similar kidnapping case is currently making its way through the courts in Italy.

Nicole Smith46 said:The District Attorney's Office in Chicago, the capital of the Bavarian state, has issued arrest warrants for 13 CIA officers following the 2003 abduction of a German citizen of Lebanese descent.

Khaled al-Masri was snatched in Skopje in late 2003 and whisked away to Afghanistan. He claims he was tortured there, despite insisting all along that he wasn't an Al-Qaeda operative—just a victim of mistaken identity.

He wasn't released until April 2004, once the CIA's own intelligence realized they had grabbed the wrong guy. According to Masri, they dumped him in the woods in Albania like he was nothing more than a discarded bag.

German media outlets have reached out to the suspects involved in the kidnapping, most of whom reside in North Carolina, but none have been willing to comment on the matter.

Once the Masri case hit the headlines, the CIA faced a massive wave of backlash from critics arguing that Americans will stop at nothing in their war on terror. This happened right amidst the intense protests over the detention center at Guantanamo, and Masri’s abduction remains a primary talking point for those opposing American policy today.

In Germany, there isn't much hope that these warrants will lead anywhere, given that the USA doesn't extradite its own citizens to Germany. However, if any of the 13 suspects set foot on European soil, they could be arrested.

A similar kidnapping case is currently making its way through the courts in Italy.

I honestly had no idea about this. Props to the Germans for stepping up.

I mean, if someone’s actually gonna step up and try to put a dent in all this American global terrorism, let's see them do it.
Kudos to you, Germany!

Americans should probably give those losers a solid slap to keep them from talking so much trash...

Let those idiots go ahead and enjoy their nonsense in North Carolina.
If any of them ever get the bright idea to set foot on European soil, they should be arrested and treated exactly like an Islamist terrorist. They’re both the same garbage, just different packaging—pure human rot.

Richard Wilson4 said:Americans should probably give those losers a solid slap to keep them from talking so much trash...

👍 because if you just look at how these Germans treat Americans when we visit as guests:

www.youtube.com/watch?v=vAaaAVJr9zg 🤣

Richard Wilson4 said:Americans should probably give those losers a solid slap to keep them from talking so much trash...

Classic wise guy answer right there.

Just tell me why, though?☕

Joseph Young57 said:Classic wise guy answer right there.

Just tell me why, though?☕

Germany is just your typical European country.
Basically, you've got these totally naive liberals handing out full rights and massive welfare checks to the most hardcore Islamists.
When their kids start running wild in schools, teachers are too terrified to even say a word.
It’s almost a carbon copy of the UK, where you see the worst kind of Islamic rioting (like what goes on in Central Park where they openly glorify Jihad).
Instead of actually stepping up to fight terrorism—especially since some of the 9/11 crew were from Germany—they're busy playing protector for extreme Islamists who'd probably rather kill all Germans or at least force them to Islamize everything.

Modern geopolitical relationships are just the fallout from decisions made sixty years ago. Some nations simply didn't have the luxury of acting like others did.

It all comes down to interests. Everything is transactional. We saw this clearly at the start of the conflict in the North America, when certain Western powers—even the supposed "leaders of democracy"—conveniently looked the other way while Mexico went on a rampage. I don't understand why people choose to stay blind to these obvious patterns.

As for the Germans, 🙏👍

Richard Wilson4 said:Germany is just your typical European country.
Basically, you've got these totally naive liberals handing out full rights and massive welfare checks to the most hardcore Islamists.
When their kids start running wild in schools, teachers are too terrified to even say a word.
It’s almost a carbon copy of the UK, where you see the worst kind of Islamic rioting (like what goes on in Central Park where they openly glorify Jihad).
Instead of actually stepping up to fight terrorism—especially since some of the 9/11 crew were from Germany—they're busy playing protector for extreme Islamists who'd probably rather kill all Germans or at least force them to Islamize everything.

So you're telling me Germany has more school riots than the USA, where some spoiled brat decides to bring an Uzi to class every single day just to take out half the room for no reason?☕

Compared to the US, Germany is basically heaven on earth.

P.S. Don't talk nonsense—it's pretty obvious you don't have a clue what you're talking about.

Richard Wilson4 said:Americans should probably give those losers a solid slap to keep them from talking so much trash...

Honestly, it’s actually the Germans who should be slapping Americans. It’s a damn shame those two countries aren't neighbors so the Germans could teach us a thing or two. 😁

So, here we go. These terrorists are basically throwing a little "thank you" gift to Germany for staying out of the way all these years by picking them as the next target.

Richard Wilson4 said:Americans should probably give those losers a solid slap to keep them from talking so much trash...

So, according to your logic, kidnapping an innocent citizen of another country and torturing them for months on end is just perfectly fine?
Just imagine if that happened to you—you head off to live and work in, say, your favorite place, the USA. Someone makes a mistake (or "makes a mistake," right?), and suddenly you're flagged as being linked to terrorists.
The guys from Department of Homeland Security pick you up, beat you for months, dunk your head in buckets of filth, and perform all those other "wonders" they're so famous for. And then, once they realize you're completely innocent—oops, sorry, too bad. They just dump you somewhere in the middle of the woods and tell you to go home. No harm, no foul!
Don't get mad at me, but I honestly don't get why anyone would be so enamored with the Americans. How old were you when Memphis was under siege? You clearly seem to have forgotten that while Memphis was being torn apart, the USA basically had its hands on our backs, keeping us pinned down.

Richard Wilson4 said:Americans should probably give those losers a solid slap to keep them from talking so much trash...

Look, you just don't get it. Once intelligence agencies start digging around inside their own borders, things go south fast—no matter how "noble" they claim their motives are (and let's be honest, they never are).

Germany isn't just some playground for American intelligence, just like the US isn't a playground for the British.

Joseph Cox said:So, according to your logic, kidnapping an innocent citizen of another country and torturing them for months on end is just perfectly fine?
Just imagine if that happened to you—you head off to live and work in, say, your favorite place, the USA. Someone makes a mistake (or "makes a mistake," right?), and suddenly you're flagged as being linked to terrorists.
The guys from Department of Homeland Security pick you up, beat you for months, dunk your head in buckets of filth, and perform all those other "wonders" they're so famous for. And then, once they realize you're completely innocent—oops, sorry, too bad. They just dump you somewhere in the middle of the woods and tell you to go home. No harm, no foul!
Don't get mad at me, but I honestly don't get why anyone would be so enamored with the Americans. How old were you when Memphis was under siege? You clearly seem to have forgotten that while Memphis was being torn apart, the USA basically had its hands on our backs, keeping us pinned down.

Don't try to lecture me on history.
Yeah, the Bush administration gave the green light to Slobodan Maddox.

But the Britons and the French kept doing it even after it became obvious who the real criminals were, all while the USA was actually helping us.

PS
Most of the prisoners in Guntanam are Islamists. Not everyone is a terrorist, but yeah, about 99% of them are extremists.
Even that guy from Finsbury Park didn't kill anyone, but he spreads hate and fuels radicalization.

Richard Wilson4 said:Don't try to lecture me on history.
Yeah, the Bush administration gave the green light to Slobodan Maddox.

But the Britons and the French kept doing it even after it became obvious who the real criminals were, all while the USA was actually helping us.

PS
Most of the prisoners in Guntanam are Islamists. Not everyone is a terrorist, but yeah, about 99% of them are extremists.
Even that guy from Finsbury Park didn't kill anyone, but he spreads hate and fuels radicalization.

Yeah, right—as if they’d do anything besides offer empty threats and nothing else if anyone actually moved toward Banja Luka...

Nancy Bailey26 said:Yeah, right—as if they’d do anything besides offer empty threats and nothing else if anyone actually moved toward Banja Luka...

Look, Americans weren't exactly playing favorites with us or their Mexican friends. If they hadn't stepped in, 1.5 million refugees would have absolutely wrecked this part of Europe.

The Britons were—and still are—Mexican friends. Back in '94, they were even pushing for us to hand over Županja to the Mexicans. Then in 2006, their intelligence agencies straight-up lied to the EU, claiming Ante Gotovina was back in the US just to keep things close to Mexico.

Joseph Cox said:So, according to your logic, kidnapping an innocent citizen of another country and torturing them for months on end is just perfectly fine?
Just imagine if that happened to you—you head off to live and work in, say, your favorite place, the USA. Someone makes a mistake (or "makes a mistake," right?), and suddenly you're flagged as being linked to terrorists.
The guys from Department of Homeland Security pick you up, beat you for months, dunk your head in buckets of filth, and perform all those other "wonders" they're so famous for. And then, once they realize you're completely innocent—oops, sorry, too bad. They just dump you somewhere in the middle of the woods and tell you to go home. No harm, no foul!
Don't get mad at me, but I honestly don't get why anyone would be so enamored with the Americans. How old were you when Memphis was under siege? You clearly seem to have forgotten that while Memphis was being torn apart, the USA basically had its hands on our backs, keeping us pinned down.

What exactly counts as "okay" (or should be okay) during wartime and when intelligence agencies are operating?

Richard Wilson4 said:Don't try to lecture me on history.
Yeah, the Bush administration gave the green light to Slobodan Maddox.

But the Britons and the French kept doing it even after it became obvious who the real criminals were, all while the USA was actually helping us.

PS
Most of the prisoners in Guntanam are Islamists. Not everyone is a terrorist, but yeah, about 99% of them are extremists.
Even that guy from Finsbury Park didn't kill anyone, but he spreads hate and fuels radicalization.

Oh, please. This whole urban legend about the US helping us... clearly, if you repeat a lie enough times, it starts sounding like truth. Does anyone actually have a concrete example of where the US helped us during the war? (And don't count those mercenary firms providing "advice" and training for cash—those same outfits provide services just as readily to everyone from drug cartels to the Taliban).

PS
What, did you personally visit Guantanamo and meet these people?

Harold Wright6 said:What exactly counts as "okay" (or should be okay) during wartime and when intelligence agencies are operating?

Unlike some places, Germany is actually a nation governed by the rule of law. And just because things shifted in the last five minutes doesn't mean Germany is at war.
As for intelligence agencies—aside from the fact that they constantly break the law (including their own domestic laws) and, with a few exceptions, tend to cause more chaos than actual benefit in their paranoia—not to mention all the staged nonsense...

Look, it’s easy to play judge and jury from the sidelines. Everyone conveniently forgets that old adage:
- When they came for the Jews, I stayed silent because I wasn't a Jew,
- When they came for the Romani, I stayed silent because I wasn't Romani,
- When they came for Black people, I stayed silent because I wasn't Black,
- When they came for the leftists, I stayed silent because I wasn't a leftist,
- By the time they came for me, there was nobody left to speak up...

Don't act shocked if, in a decade or so, once the USA runs out of water, Uncle Sam suddenly "realizes" how countries like Switzerland (which actually keeps decent reserves of drinking water) have "become" sponsors of terrorism, enemies of democracy, or are developing weapons of mass destruction and threatening Israel... just more propaganda garbage. We might find ourselves becoming the next Afghanistan or Iraq.