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Faith and hope: a necessity or a delusion?

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Lisa Morales4 Lisa Morales4 Active Member
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#41 ·
dustyraven26 said:He certainly possesses intuition—those sudden flashes of clarity regarding reality that bypass formal knowledge—he simply needs to clear the path for it. It isn't an easy feat, given how deeply ingrained our habits are, but it remains entirely achievable.

Hope and faith are the primary engines behind all human action.

And where exactly has that driven us?
Science suggests that humanity is steadily eroding its own sense of morality, ethics, and fundamental character.
The ultimate endgame of globalization is nothing less than the privatization of the entire planet, creating a world where the population size and lifestyle of the average person are dictated solely by the requirements of the elite.
Driven by consumerism, people have quite willingly embraced a philosophy where having things is far more important than being someone.

If we don't change course, we will inevitably arrive at the destination we are currently sprinting toward.
Where, precisely, is the human race heading?

Back to the trees😁
or down into the trenches
... unfortunately 😢
wearyowl29 wearyowl29 Regular
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#42 ·
dustyraven26 said:Post: 7.

Post: 29.

👍 👍 🙏 🙏

WHY CLING TO DOGMA AND PRECONCEPTIONS IN THE HOPE THAT THEY ARE TRUE, WHEN
WE POSSESS THE ACTUAL CAPACITY TO DISCOVER THE TRUTH!?

Oh, absolutely... but there's always that pesky "but." 🙏To truly strike out on your own, you have to shed the heavy baggage people so generously handed us as if it were essential survival gear. It isn't easy! It’s a long, grueling process that takes real grit. Honestly, anyone who actually has the guts to walk alone after stripping away those old weights is someone who has truly embraced self-awareness. The path is narrow, steep, and frankly pretty terrifying. That's why I see so many people turning back, scurrying home to grab their heavy old backpacks just to feel safe again...
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#43 ·
dustyraven26 said:
Susan Price30 As stated by:
Self-confidence is essentially an internal conviction, and a healthy sense of self-belief shouldn't inherently preclude someone from placing their trust in external forces or higher powers. 😁
A certain type of self-focus often manifests as nothing more than an ego trip, which bears very little resemblance to actual self-confidence.

External factors exert the most significant influence on an individual's self-confidence; if a person possesses genuine competence—derived from sufficient knowledge or practical experience in similar circumstances—they can rightfully claim confidence within that specific domain or field of expertise.
One might choose to adopt the persona of an exceptionally self-assured gardener, someone possessing a world-class expertise in floral varieties and evergreen trees.🍿 You certainly can't afford to be the last one left standing when it comes to the art of charm and the subtle dance of small talk with a woman you actually find interesting.

Self-esteem carries more weight than mere self-confidence; in terms of true psychological well-being, a sense of inherent self-worth is far more critical to the human experience. Values.Mastering that level of proficiency is a far more grueling endeavor than simply cultivating self-confidence, or even the mere illusion of it.

Similarly, I find myself wondering where you, or anyone else for that matter, derived the notion that a belief in God is merely a byproduct of some perceived deficiency or a lack of faith in something else. It appears the message provided was insufficient to perform a rewrite. Please provide the full text you wish for me to transform.Is it a matter of fate, or are we merely puppets dancing on the strings of some Big Bad Wolf—a version of God that people imagine is just waiting for the right moment to punish us?

I would argue quite the opposite; an individual who possesses genuine self-trust will find it significantly easier to extend that same trust toward God or their fellow man. It is worth remembering that God operates through our connection with one another—a connection that, at its most fundamental level, relies entirely on the reciprocal exchange of trust and love between the Divine and humanity.

The text leaves me torn as to whether this is actually...
A comprehensive examination of the subject. Either.
The conviction that religious dogma or a misplaced sense of hope holds more intrinsic value than the actual lives lost to those very convictions is a delusion that will inevitably lead to catastrophe.One might argue that the tragedy on the islands could have been averted entirely had there not been such a pervasive, misguided belief that everything was under control.
I am seeking some assistance in resolving a particular dilemma I find myself facing.
On a related note, there is considerable evidence—or at least enough research to suggest the connection—that individuals struggling with authority figures or harboring fractured relationships with their earthly fathers often find themselves unable to perceive God the Father accurately. They tend to develop a distorted view of the Divine that fails to align with what was actually revealed in the Bible regarding His true nature and His intentions for us.

A misdiagnosis is almost always rooted in a flawed perception, though I never once attempted to deny God.
I am taking this opportunity to point out yet another negative consequence of religion.
When considering the matter from a broader, more human perspective, it becomes clear that... Religion has only served to carve fresh fractures into the foundation of human connection.Furthermore, these deep-seated divisions have served as the catalyst for numerous conflicts, resulting in staggering loss of life.
I have no desire to continue listing the negative impacts of religion; rather, I would prefer if someone could point me toward at least one significant positive effect they might produce. 🤷

🙂 You kind of "drifted" way out of the actual topic here—you're jumping from HERE AND NOW to some hypothetical "there and then" that doesn't exist and honestly never will. You're straying too far from the original post.
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#44 ·
Tyler Baker6 said:🙂 You kind of "drifted" way out of the actual topic here—you're jumping from HERE AND NOW to some hypothetical "there and then" that doesn't exist and honestly never will. You're straying too far from the original post.

Those divisions haven't vanished; they remain very much alive today. Do you honestly believe that Catholics, Protestants, and Muslims have reached some state of perfect harmony across the country? And on a global scale... one can only imagine the friction.
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#45 ·
wearyowl29 said:Oh, absolutely... but there's always that pesky "but." 🙏To truly strike out on your own, you have to shed the heavy baggage people so generously handed us as if it were essential survival gear. It isn't easy! It’s a long, grueling process that takes real grit. Honestly, anyone who actually has the guts to walk alone after stripping away those old weights is someone who has truly embraced self-awareness. The path is narrow, steep, and frankly pretty terrifying. That's why I see so many people turning back, scurrying home to grab their heavy old backpacks just to feel safe again...

Try looking at things from a different perspective.
The notion that one can simply decide who they want to become is a fallacy predicated on the reality of who we already are. You cannot manufacture a different self through sheer will alone; attempting to do so is merely a recurring failure in the history of our species.
We cannot reasonably stand opposed to anger, especially when we find ourselves scrambling for excuses once it finally catches up with us.
"Knowing what I refuse to become, even while being it" represents a significant departure from that traditional mindset. Once a person finally confronts the truth about who they aren't—which is usually just an illusion they've been clinging to—that illusion tends to dissolve on its own.
Once you realize that anger is merely the byproduct of unmet expectations, you stop focusing on the rage itself and start examining the expectations that triggered it.
It’s difficult to say. 🙂
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#46 ·
dustyraven26;27782816 said:
Try looking at things from a different angle.
The idea of "knowing who I want to be" is built entirely on our current identity. You can't actually become someone else if you're stuck in that mindset. Honestly, it’s just a failed tradition we've been clinging to for ages.


The real issue? Most people don't actually know what they *do* want. Instead, they just focus on what they *don't* want and try to build a life out of avoidance.

"Knowing what I don't want to be, while acknowledging who I am right now" is how you break away from that old cycle. Once a person discovers the TRUTH about what they truly reject—which is usually just an illusion they've been feeding themselves—that illusion simply falls away on its own.

Success doesn't just land in your lap; you have to work for it. It’s like trying to put on a new suit while still wearing an old, tattered coat. You have to strip off those outdated opinions and reactions before you can move forward.

Once a person realizes that their anger is actually triggered by unfulfilled expectations, they stop focusing on the rage itself and start looking at the expectations.
And so on...

True, but the problem is that most people don't perceive their own anger that way.
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#47 ·
wearyowl29 said:The core issue is that most people don't actually know what they want; instead, they define their lives by simply selecting what they refuse to tolerate.

It might be easier to leave things as they are, but people tend to daydream about the exact opposite of their dislikes because they need a concrete goal to feel a sense of security.
Success requires genuine effort and trial. One must tear away the old rags of outdated opinions, attitudes, and reactions before any new ones can be worn.

Imagine if someone suddenly realized they had been living a complete illusion. Would it truly be such an exhausting task to cast those illusions aside?
Yes, though people rarely perceive their own anger in quite that way.

Which brings us back to the fundamental necessity of uncovering the truth.
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#48 ·
dustyraven26 said:It might be easier to leave things as they are, but people tend to daydream about the exact opposite of their dislikes because they need a concrete goal to feel a sense of security.
Success requires genuine effort and trial. One must tear away the old rags of outdated opinions, attitudes, and reactions before any new ones can be worn.

Imagine if someone suddenly realized they had been living a complete illusion. Would it truly be such an exhausting task to cast those illusions aside?
Yes, though people rarely perceive their own anger in quite that way.

Which brings us back to the fundamental necessity of uncovering the truth.


I honestly think the trick is that people don't *want* to see things differently. They cling to those illusions because it's the only thing making them feel safe...
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#49 ·
wearyowl29 said:I honestly think the trick is that people don't *want* to see things differently. They cling to those illusions because it's the only thing making them feel safe...

There is no obligation to believe in something different. One should instead focus on uncovering the truth regarding what already exists.
It is entirely within a man's capability. 🙂
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#50 ·
dustyraven26 said:There is no obligation to believe in something different. One should instead focus on uncovering the truth regarding what already exists.
It is entirely within a man's capability. 🙂

Sure they can, but do they actually WANT to???
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#51 ·
wearyowl29 said:Sure they can, but do they actually WANT to???

The choice between alleviating suffering or allowing it to persist isn't really a choice at all. Whether one chooses to acknowledge the true source of that suffering is an entirely different matter.😲
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#52 ·
Susan Price30 said:It’s simply the absence of faith, just like I mentioned 🙂 earlier—feel free to explain the rest yourself.

...anyway, greetings to you all. Remember when this place was just three people on a chatroom posting once every leap year? Sooo cool 😁 and sooo... dead.

Faith is an absence of faith? Truly remarkable nonsense.
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#53 ·
While it may not be directly relevant to the current topic, I feel compelled to point out something that people seem to overlook in their self-contained way of operating—something that deserves far more attention than it currently receives.

It really comes down to the words themselves.

Words function as symbols through which a writer or speaker attempts to convey a specific argument to their audience.
An individual relies upon their own accumulated knowledge, drawing from the words they have read or heard to construct their own unique interpretation.
This creates a scenario where genuine communication between individuals becomes incredibly strained, if not entirely impossible. Even in cases of simple misunderstanding, the listener often walks away feeling as though they are being coerced, while the speaker is left with the distinct impression that their perspective is being dismissed.

A person who lacks that particular awareness will likely remain oblivious to the fact that they have fundamentally misconstrued the speaker's intent, especially when their conclusions are drawn from a place of hasty or superficial reasoning.

It is therefore prudent for any reader or listener to pause and consider, before jumping to a conclusion, whether their interpretation actually aligns with what the author or speaker intended to convey.
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#54 ·
dustyraven26 said:While it may not be directly relevant to the current topic, I feel compelled to point out something that people seem to overlook in their self-contained way of operating—something that deserves far more attention than it currently receives.

It really comes down to the words themselves.

Words function as symbols through which a writer or speaker attempts to convey a specific argument to their audience.
An individual relies upon their own accumulated knowledge, drawing from the words they have read or heard to construct their own unique interpretation.
This creates a scenario where genuine communication between individuals becomes incredibly strained, if not entirely impossible. Even in cases of simple misunderstanding, the listener often walks away feeling as though they are being coerced, while the speaker is left with the distinct impression that their perspective is being dismissed.

A person who lacks that particular awareness will likely remain oblivious to the fact that they have fundamentally misconstrued the speaker's intent, especially when their conclusions are drawn from a place of hasty or superficial reasoning.

It is therefore prudent for any reader or listener to pause and consider, before jumping to a conclusion, whether their interpretation actually aligns with what the author or speaker intended to convey.

Or better yet, just ask the person directly what they meant! 🤷
There's no shame in not knowing.
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#55 ·
Anonymous said:Or better yet, just ask the person directly what they meant! 🤷
There's no shame in not knowing.

I agree 🙂.
However, it is worth noting that an individual who relies solely on their own knowledge tends to be unable to tolerate uncertainty, which inevitably drives them toward a hasty conclusion or a convenient answer—some sort of belief or hope used merely to settle their nerves. Such a person becomes prone to prefabricated solutions, unaware that this habit turns them into a spiritual "living dead," someone whose life is improved only in a purely material sense by constantly seeking comfort and fleeing from discomfort.
On the other hand, intuition represents our true reality, yet its profound power remains stifled and unconscious, drowned out by the relentless noise of active thought.
Therefore, while asking an author or speaker for clarification is useful, it shouldn't be done out of a desperate need for a quick answer, but rather as a way to confirm the insights a reader or listener has already reached through a quieted mind.
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#56 ·
dustyraven26 said:I agree 🙂.
However, it is worth noting that an individual who relies solely on their own knowledge tends to be unable to tolerate uncertainty, which inevitably drives them toward a hasty conclusion or a convenient answer—some sort of belief or hope used merely to settle their nerves. Such a person becomes prone to prefabricated solutions, unaware that this habit turns them into a spiritual "living dead," someone whose life is improved only in a purely material sense by constantly seeking comfort and fleeing from discomfort.
On the other hand, intuition represents our true reality, yet its profound power remains stifled and unconscious, drowned out by the relentless noise of active thought.
Therefore, while asking an author or speaker for clarification is useful, it shouldn't be done out of a desperate need for a quick answer, but rather as a way to confirm the insights a reader or listener has already reached through a quieted mind.

So, how would you define intuition?
How do you tell the difference between actual intuition and just having a personal opinion?
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#57 ·
Anonymous said:So, how would you define intuition?
How do you tell the difference between actual intuition and just having a personal opinion?

That is a fair question 👍, and it aligns perfectly with your idea that ignorance isn't a sin 🙂
When a hunch eventually proves to be correct, we call that intuition. It is a phenomenon that arises precisely at the moment when active thought ceases.
I have personally encountered instances where I had a distinct feeling about a situation, yet I allowed my preconceived notions to override it, ultimately leading me astray.
One cannot learn intuition any more than one can learn love, freedom, or spirituality; it is not a byproduct of accumulated knowledge or logic built upon it. No specific rituals, biases, or dogmas can grant us these states.
Instead, they must be attained by letting go—by consciously moving away from their opposites in our daily lives. One must embrace the principle of
I DO NOT KNOW WHAT IT IS, BUT I CERTAINLY KNOW WHAT IT IS NOT

.
Someone seeking to experience the profound power of intuition will work to break the habit of relying solely on their intellect to answer every question.
Someone seeking to experience love will let go of any behavior that manifests as its opposite, such as possessiveness or longing.
Someone seeking freedom will release themselves from all forms of conditioning, including rigid goals and the methods used to achieve them.
And someone seeking spirituality will distance themselves from a purely materialistic way of living, observing and acting through a secular lens.
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#58 ·
dustyraven26 said:That is a fair question 👍, and it aligns perfectly with your idea that ignorance isn't a sin 🙂
When a hunch eventually proves to be correct, we call that intuition. It is a phenomenon that arises precisely at the moment when active thought ceases.
I have personally encountered instances where I had a distinct feeling about a situation, yet I allowed my preconceived notions to override it, ultimately leading me astray.
One cannot learn intuition any more than one can learn love, freedom, or spirituality; it is not a byproduct of accumulated knowledge or logic built upon it. No specific rituals, biases, or dogmas can grant us these states.
Instead, they must be attained by letting go—by consciously moving away from their opposites in our daily lives. One must embrace the principle of
I DO NOT KNOW WHAT IT IS, BUT I CERTAINLY KNOW WHAT IT IS NOT

.
Someone seeking to experience the profound power of intuition will work to break the habit of relying solely on their intellect to answer every question.
Someone seeking to experience love will let go of any behavior that manifests as its opposite, such as possessiveness or longing.
Someone seeking freedom will release themselves from all forms of conditioning, including rigid goals and the methods used to achieve them.
And someone seeking spirituality will distance themselves from a purely materialistic way of living, observing and acting through a secular lens.

How does one intuit without thought? And what use is an intuition that only reveals itself after the fact? You could simply call that luck.
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#59 ·
jademarlin26 said:How does one intuit without thought? And what use is an intuition that only reveals itself after the fact? You could simply call that luck.

If I’m following you correctly, you’re not just spinning your wheels or pretending you have all the answers—you’re actually listening to that "gut feeling."☕
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#60 ·
I have no idea what you are trying to say. As stated by:
If I understand you correctly, you aren't just spinning your wheels in a void thinking you have all the answers; rather, you are listening to that "inner voice." ☕

Does intuition only manifest when one has the luxury of waiting for that "inner voice"? I know individuals who claim to be guided by intuition, yet they leave a trail of failed relationships in their wake. How is that possible? Can intuition actually fail us or lead us astray? Furthermore, does intuition operate on a temporal constraint—perhaps perceiving only five minutes ahead rather than the broader picture?

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