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How to deal with trolls? Mental health & wellness corner.

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Participants Ryan Wood98Aaron Anderson72Brandon Lopez6casualharbor9Jose Miller3wearyangler5Samuel Reed2lonegardenerLisa Hernandez3rustydrifter10feraltrucker5redmarlin3Jerry Martinez5hollowtrucker77Joseph Watson3Nicole Turner35Elizabeth Bishop4driftinggull21velvetcyclist2Megan Reyes26Joshua Evans7Nicole Miller5
rustydrifter10 rustydrifter10 Regular
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joined Apr 2011
#41 ·
feraltrucker5 said:Alright, here’s my confession for the day.

The second I laid eyes on that headline, I knew we were headed straight into troll territory. It was obvious as hell that a whole crowd of provocateurs would swarm this thread just to mess with whoever started it, leading to a massive meltdown where I’d end up having to hand out bans like candy.

I’m basically just sitting back, waiting for the circus to start.

So, why did I do it? Why didn't I just delete the thread? Why am I practically inviting the trolls to the party? 🙂

We are Borg. You will be assimilated. Resistance is futile.
lonegardener lonegardener Regular
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joined Apr 2010
#42 ·
casualharbor9 said:There you go! Now you're the one trolling! Please, just give me a single hint! ... what kind of color are you actually into? hmpf!


Anika: So, who's the one telling you it's bedtime every night?

Pipi: I tell myself. First, I try being gentle about it, then I get a bit firmer... well, you know how it goes. And if even that doesn't work, things might get a little physical, obviously. Right?

🤣
redmarlin3 redmarlin3 Active Member
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joined Apr 2010
#43 ·
They actually killed off that feature a few years back, ever since one of the admins accidentally banned himself by mistake. 🤣
Elizabeth Bishop4 Elizabeth Bishop4 Member
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joined Jan 2009
#44 ·
So, what's the deal here? Are we just talking about trolling, I guess?
lonegardener lonegardener Regular
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joined Apr 2010
#45 ·
Elizabeth Bishop4 said:So, what's the deal here? Are we just talking about trolling, I guess?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Troll_(Internet)

Nowadays, though, people seem to slap the "trolling" label on just about anything.
driftinggull21 driftinggull21 Active Member
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joined Mar 2010
#46 ·
Whenever I spot a thread dedicated to feeding the trolls (which happens on these forums, though luckily the mods shut them down pretty fast), I simply steer clear. I don't leave myself open to provocation; that is my method for combating trolling.
What is the point of engaging? As soon as I see certain usernames, I know exactly what I am dealing with: trolls, clones, and spammers. It is a waste of time.
velvetcyclist2 velvetcyclist2 Newcomer
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joined May 2010
#47 ·
lonegardener said:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Troll_(Internet)

Nowadays, though, people seem to slap the "trolling" label on just about anything.

Especially here on this forum, it seems like everyone's an expert on what counts as trolling these days...
lonegardener lonegardener Regular
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joined Apr 2010
#48 ·
velvetcyclist2 said:Especially here on this forum, it seems like everyone's an expert on what counts as trolling these days...

The moment you label someone a troll, you’re essentially claiming to be some kind of expert psychologist.

To actually be a "troll," a person has to have the specific INTENT of provoking an emotional reaction. That raises the question: how can anyone—even a moderator—really know what a user's true "intent" is? It’s incredibly difficult to determine. We haven't exactly invented a mind-reading device yet.

It’s a logic problem similar to calling someone a liar. For something to be a "lie," the speaker has to KNOW they are stating a falsehood. If you say something untrue simply because you believe it to be true, you aren't lying; you're just mistaken. Lying requires conscious deception. So, when you tell someone they're "lying," you're implying you have insight into their private thoughts and beliefs. Most of the time, you don't. 😬 Sure, sometimes you might have hard evidence that someone knows they're being dishonest, but usually, you're just guessing. Despite that, certain people just love throwing the word "liar" around. 🙄

Edit: Case in point. This post isn't "trolling"; it's just me going off-topic. LOL. My goal here isn't to trigger an emotional outburst. 🤣
Lisa Hernandez3 Lisa Hernandez3 Active Member
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joined Aug 2010
#49 ·
I’m going to share a few beautiful—and perhaps not entirely "buttoned-up"—definitions of what trolling actually is. There are quite a few versions out there, and I suppose it's clear that different people recognize trolling in different ways, much like how everyone’s tolerance for it varies. When trying to define whether something qualifies as trolling, I think it’s important to try and identify the (bad) intentions of the person involved—though, to be fair, that can sometimes be hard to distinguish from someone just being ignorant or having a somewhat warped sense of humor and contributing to the topic. Sometimes, what is intended as trolling ends up just becoming off-topic chatter or spam, which basically just ruins the readability of a thread.

In the same vein, a post might technically fit a definition of trolling, but in reality, it could just be an expression of someone's unique creativity. But let's say—though it's rare—that a few people can maintain a reputation as high-quality trolls, or at least tolerable ones. Generally speaking, aside from being clever and well-spoken, they usually have good intentions, and their contributions to the discussion (in terms of keeping things lively or provoking others into providing quality responses, etc.) tend to outweigh any harm caused (like someone accidentally feeling insulted by what was actually a benign joke, for instance).

Definitions and examples (the troll in general):
/1/
Being a jerk on the internet simply because you have the opportunity. Usually involving throwing one or more cynical or sarcastic remarks at an innocent bystander, because it's the internet and, well, you can.
Guy: "I just found the coolest ninja pencil in existence."
Other Guy: "I just found the most idiotic thread in existence."


/2/
Trolling is the attempt to get a rise out of someone. It involves forcing them to react to you, whether through wisecracks, posting incorrect info, asking blatantly stupid questions, or other nonsense. That said, trolling statements are never actually true, nor are they ever meant to be taken as such. Almost all trolling statements are intended to be funny to certain people, so it does carry some level of social or entertainment value.

"Trolling" isn't quite the same thing as "harmful statements." Intentionally insulting or libelous comments are actually considered "flaming."

Just as problematic as trolling itself is "Feeding The Trolls." This happens when people say things they know will trigger a trolling response, or when they reply to comments that are obviously from a troll. This is especially common when a troll makes their initial comment and then (usually many) people jump in, either attempting to correct them or expressing anger at the statement. At that specific moment, the trolling has succeeded and has been fed. Once encouraged by that success and the attention, trolls often find their way back.


And plenty of other definitions can be found at this source: http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=trolling
casualharbor9 casualharbor9 Active Member
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#50 ·
lonegardener said:The moment you label someone a troll, you’re essentially claiming to be some kind of expert psychologist.

To actually be a "troll," a person has to have the specific INTENT of provoking an emotional reaction. That raises the question: how can anyone—even a moderator—really know what a user's true "intent" is? It’s incredibly difficult to determine. We haven't exactly invented a mind-reading device yet.

It’s a logic problem similar to calling someone a liar. For something to be a "lie," the speaker has to KNOW they are stating a falsehood. If you say something untrue simply because you believe it to be true, you aren't lying; you're just mistaken. Lying requires conscious deception. So, when you tell someone they're "lying," you're implying you have insight into their private thoughts and beliefs. Most of the time, you don't. 😬 Sure, sometimes you might have hard evidence that someone knows they're being dishonest, but usually, you're just guessing. Despite that, certain people just love throwing the word "liar" around. 🙄

Edit: Case in point. This post isn't "trolling"; it's just me going off-topic. LOL. My goal here isn't to trigger an emotional outburst. 🤣

... though you can sometimes pick up on hints, or just look at the context of the thread itself (topics like "intolerance" or whatever else? please 🤣 )

The issue is pretty much the same as when you call someone a 'liar.' For something to qualify as a 'lie,' the person saying it has to KNOW it isn't true. It isn't really 'lying' if you state something false without realizing it's incorrect. No, lying is specifically the conscious act of stating a falsehood. So, when you tell someone they're 'lying,' you're essentially claiming to know exactly what that person thinks, knows, or believes. And more often than not, that assumption is wrong. 😬 In other words, occasionally it's true—maybe you actually have proof they know they're being dishonest—but most of the time, you don't. Despite that, certain people just love walking around calling everyone else liars. 🙄

... exactly; some people are 200% convinced of their own nonsense, which at least leaves some room for debate... when a topic is clearly trolling, the only appropriate response is either to ignore it or try to de-escalate it (within reasonable bounds, obviously)
Ryan Wood98 Ryan Wood98 Active MemberOP
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#51 ·
Last night, I felt this sudden, intense urge to go trolling in the comments section of a news site where I happen to work.

Since I am technically an employee there, I decided to exercise some restraint, avoided the baiting, and just went to bed.

I woke up this morning with a fever north of 100 degrees.

I suppose one might wonder... is this perhaps some kind of withdrawal symptom?
Megan Reyes26 Megan Reyes26 Newcomer
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#52 ·
Ryan Wood98 said:Last night, I felt this sudden, intense urge to go trolling in the comments section of a news site where I happen to work.

Since I am technically an employee there, I decided to exercise some restraint, avoided the baiting, and just went to bed.

I woke up this morning with a fever north of 100 degrees.

I suppose one might wonder... is this perhaps some kind of withdrawal symptom?

😂👍
A parafraza of a conversation from my college days: "Why wouldn't everyone love gossiping? I love it. End of story." I love trolling. Unfortunately, I don't do it enough. I get stopped by the thought of all the inevitable, moronic (oops, sorry) replies that follow. Life is just too short to deal with that level of stupidity.

I dig this part: "Similarly, a post can technically be considered trolling by certain definitions, when it's actually just an outlet for someone's creativity. But let's say the rare ones who can maintain a reputation as a quality troll—or at least a tolerable one—usually have good intentions aside from being smart and literate. Their contribution to the topic (keeping things lively or provoking high-quality responses) outweighs the damage (like someone getting accidentally offended by a harmless joke)." Aren't trolls basically revolutionaries then? As far as I know, history moves forward precisely because someone refused to think like everyone else (and actually did something about it). Okay, fine, there have been bad versions, but overall...
redmarlin3 redmarlin3 Active Member
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#53 ·
But those so-called high-quality trolls (we have one right here on the forum that we all pretty much adore 🙂 ) aren't actually offering what you claimed—that "alternative way of thinking." I wouldn't go so far as to call them revolutionaries, because they aren't actually providing any unique perspectives... they just wrap the same old ideas in different packaging. 😁
Elizabeth Bishop4 Elizabeth Bishop4 Member
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joined Jan 2009
#54 ·
Man, he’s got so much raw talent, honestly it's impressive enough to make you stop and think about it for a second.😍
feraltrucker5 feraltrucker5 Active Member
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#55 ·
Ryan Wood98 said:Last night, I felt this sudden, intense urge to go trolling in the comments section of a news site where I happen to work.

Since I am technically an employee there, I decided to exercise some restraint, avoided the baiting, and just went to bed.

I woke up this morning with a fever north of 100 degrees.

I suppose one might wonder... is this perhaps some kind of withdrawal symptom?

😂 🤣

Look, since nobody is paying me a dime to moderate this place, I say we embrace the chaos—I’ve got nothing to lose by trolling whenever I feel like it. 😬
Joshua Evans7 Joshua Evans7 Active Member
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#56 ·
This is such a great topic. 😬 🤣

Sometimes I guess you just have to go with the flow. 😂
Lisa Hernandez3 Lisa Hernandez3 Active Member
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joined Aug 2010
#57 ·
Megan Reyes26 said:😂👍
A parafraza of a conversation from my college days: "Why wouldn't everyone love gossiping? I love it. End of story." I love trolling. Unfortunately, I don't do it enough. I get stopped by the thought of all the inevitable, moronic (oops, sorry) replies that follow. Life is just too short to deal with that level of stupidity.

I dig this part: "Similarly, a post can technically be considered trolling by certain definitions, when it's actually just an outlet for someone's creativity. But let's say the rare ones who can maintain a reputation as a quality troll—or at least a tolerable one—usually have good intentions aside from being smart and literate. Their contribution to the topic (keeping things lively or provoking high-quality responses) outweighs the damage (like someone getting accidentally offended by a harmless joke)." Aren't trolls basically revolutionaries then? As far as I know, history moves forward precisely because someone refused to think like everyone else (and actually did something about it). Okay, fine, there have been bad versions, but overall...

redmarlin3 said:But those so-called high-quality trolls (we have one right here on the forum that we all pretty much adore 🙂 ) aren't actually offering what you claimed—that "alternative way of thinking." I wouldn't go so far as to call them revolutionaries, because they aren't actually providing any unique perspectives... they just wrap the same old ideas in different packaging. 😁

High-quality trolls often have this knack for spinning a story in a way that keeps the discussion from sinking entirely. There are certain charming, enlightened types of trolls—like that specific user mentioned earlier—who, I suspect, truly know what they're doing. They understand how to troll, and they seem to have a sense of where the line of good taste lies. Perhaps that’s why people in their circle tend to sympathize with them. In a way, I think they act as a sort of social glue—from a psychological or sociological standpoint, at least—keeping a small community together within an online chat or a casual discussion group.

Then again, I know plenty of trolls who aren't particularly likable, aside from a select few they've befriended and whose posts they support. To everyone else, they can be quite malicious. They generally don't give a second thought to the forum they're on or the community structure; they just drop comments that make others feel terrible or engage in blatant fake-out tactics. And the worst part is, after they chime in, nobody is actually any smarter regarding the topic at hand. Their comments usually end up being nothing more than mindless heckling or complaining, lacking even a shred of the constructive engagement we usually aim for.

The idea of being revolutionary or pushing boundaries is usually more prevalent among the more detailed contributors, whereas "quality" trolls—while perhaps more articulate than they are thorough—tend to display an enviable level of anticipatory thinking, predicting situations or psyching out the room. For that alone, if nothing else, I suppose you have to tip your hat to them.
Nicole Miller5 Nicole Miller5 Member
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#58 ·
Good grief. And here I was thinking it was actually a sport, like lawn bowling or competitive fishing...
redmarlin3 redmarlin3 Active Member
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#59 ·
Well, yeah, 😁 you end up getting a specific number of rounds 😁
Lisa Hernandez3 Lisa Hernandez3 Active Member
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#60 ·
And honestly, I think it’s about time we established our own little theory of trolling right here on this forum.
To be perfectly clear, I don't particularly enjoy trolls—not that I really need to point that out—and I rarely find myself entertained by anyone's specific brand of online mischief—it's all just a bit much, isn't it? A bit tedious, maybe...

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