Classic aggressive jerk prototype

rustydrifter10 said:It’s honestly so hard to tell when someone has truly become a lost cause.
Just because someone hasn't turned into a complete monster yet doesn't mean there's still hope for rehabilitation. You see it all the time—people come out of rehab or finish their prison sentences and just double down on even stupider behavior. To be fair, I'm not surprised by how things play out here in the States, mostly because I wonder what we're actually doing with people like that in the first place.
I don't want to get too deep into the weeds regarding juvenile detention or reformatories since I don't have any firsthand info, but from everything I've heard, it feels like those places are just holding pens where you wait for time to pass. 🤷
What’s the actual ratio of psychologists to inmates? How are they even supposed to provide real treatment?

Exactly. Reentry is a disaster for the community because you end up with people who learned how to be even more crooked while sitting in a cell, then they just stroll through a public park with a weapon.
But if you actually send them somewhere useful—give them a chance to help others and make them feel like their effort matters—then reintegration for those who aren't total thugs might actually work. Everything else is just a drain on taxpayers...

... my brother has spent about three-quarters of his life behind bars... the only thing keeping him on the straight and narrow is the desperate hope he doesn't have to spend that final one-quarter back in a cell...

My brother spent about four-sevenths of his time in prison absolutely wrecking your brother.

... I wouldn't go that far... mine was actually serving time for sexual assault, specifically during his last few sentences...

... I'm not playing games here... if you really want to test me, go ahead... (though I have a feeling you won't)

Here I am! I'm just plain mean and aggressive, and honestly, nothing in this world is gonna change my mind!
So now you've got the answer straight from the source! ☕

... you didn't... you really didn't... you're just playing games... we were all exactly the same back then, just kids... but what ends up scarring a person? That stuff goes incredibly deep, and it stays with you forever...

Alright then! I guess I won't be doing that! ☕

... obviously... clearly you haven't a clue...

Steven Allen9 said:Exactly. Reentry is a disaster for the community because you end up with people who learned how to be even more crooked while sitting in a cell, then they just stroll through a public park with a weapon.
But if you actually send them somewhere useful—give them a chance to help others and make them feel like their effort matters—then reintegration for those who aren't total thugs might actually work. Everything else is just a drain on taxpayers...

Honestly, maybe we don't even need to ship them off to some distant state... Why couldn't staying right here within our own community yield the same kind of positive results?

The real headache, though, is figuring out how to tell the "fixable" cases apart from the "lost causes."

And again, I really think we need to look at everyone on an individual basis, since treating everyone exactly the same way rarely works for different types of people. It all depends on the specific crimes committed, but honestly, that feels like way too much heavy lifting for the folks in charge of making these calls. Personally, I feel like hands-on, physical community service would be a whole lot more effective in most situations than just tossing kids into a juvenile detention center or a reform school.
The only thing is, the absolute worst of the worst—like actual Nazis 😁—don't fit into that mold. For some people, there just isn't any hope left.

rustydrifter10 said:Honestly, maybe we don't even need to ship them off to some distant state... Why couldn't staying right here within our own community yield the same kind of positive results?

The real headache, though, is figuring out how to tell the "fixable" cases apart from the "lost causes."

And again, I really think we need to look at everyone on an individual basis, since treating everyone exactly the same way rarely works for different types of people. It all depends on the specific crimes committed, but honestly, that feels like way too much heavy lifting for the folks in charge of making these calls. Personally, I feel like hands-on, physical community service would be a whole lot more effective in most situations than just tossing kids into a juvenile detention center or a reform school.
The only thing is, the absolute worst of the worst—like actual Nazis 😁—don't fit into that mold. For some people, there just isn't any hope left.

It's all being designed like a matching game; a die-hard Lakers fan gets sentenced to community service at a clinic in Los Angeles... or some radical extremist gets sent to a school for sick kids.
Do you actually think this exchange system makes sense?

Steven Allen9 said:It's all being designed like a matching game; a die-hard Lakers fan gets sentenced to community service at a clinic in Los Angeles... or some radical extremist gets sent to a school for sick kids.
Do you actually think this exchange system makes sense?

Well, I think that approach works fine for minor offenders, but it doesn't really apply to those extreme cases you were bringing up earlier... 😁
Having those Yankees hooligans do service work down in Miami could actually be a pretty solid lesson for them, but dealing with actual domestic terrorists is a whole different ballgame... If we're talking about people who are just starting to get radicalized, then sure, maybe... But for hardened criminals? I doubt that kind of thing would do much good at all. 🤷

rustydrifter10 said:Well, I think that approach works fine for minor offenders, but it doesn't really apply to those extreme cases you were bringing up earlier... 😁
Having those Yankees hooligans do service work down in Miami could actually be a pretty solid lesson for them, but dealing with actual domestic terrorists is a whole different ballgame... If we're talking about people who are just starting to get radicalized, then sure, maybe... But for hardened criminals? I doubt that kind of thing would do much good at all. 🤷

We all know where the real felons belong, obviously...
The point is to show people acting out of pure stupidity—hate, intolerance, whatever—that their behavior is mindless, and that being productive actually benefits them more than being a jerk...
I get it, we've clearly established our "model" here.

Steven Allen9 said:We all know where the real felons belong, obviously...
The point is to show people acting out of pure stupidity—hate, intolerance, whatever—that their behavior is mindless, and that being productive actually benefits them more than being a jerk...
I get it, we've clearly established our "model" here.

You're right about that. 🙂
You started bringing up neo-Nazis and then moved on to groups like the Royalists, and honestly, those cases are so extreme that I don't think there's any kind of therapy out there that could actually fix them.

However, if we're talking about petty criminals or local hooligans, then yeah, your theory makes total sense. 😁

But even then, the biggest issue remains the complete passivity of the authorities. 😢

rustydrifter10 said:You're right about that. 🙂
You started bringing up neo-Nazis and then moved on to groups like the Royalists, and honestly, those cases are so extreme that I don't think there's any kind of therapy out there that could actually fix them.

However, if we're talking about petty criminals or local hooligans, then yeah, your theory makes total sense. 😁

But even then, the biggest issue remains the complete passivity of the authorities. 😢

I know a few guys on the far right who lean into that whole extremist vibe. You know the type. Honestly, they’d be better off heading over to Mexico to volunteer at some nursing home or working in a hospital. Eventually, they'll realize their fascist posturing is just a sign of immaturity and a desperate cry for attention. As for the ones who actually believe in racial supremacy? I'll leave them to settle things themselves in a park with a six-pack.
Everything in this country has a beginning and an end, but nothing ever actually gets enforced. We need real people. People who actually follow the law... then maybe we'll have fewer idiots running around.