The "no bra" phenomenon

gentlefox18 said:Since the dawn of humanity, even back when we lived in small, primitive tribes, there was always a clear distinction between women with striking, well-developed figures and those who were considered less physically endowed or attractive. It was widely believed that the most beautiful women were reserved exclusively for the wealthiest, strongest, and most influential men in the group. These high-status individuals often kept such women hidden away, viewing everyone else as unworthy of their attention.

This historical dynamic is precisely where the tendency to conceal female attributes originates. In more undeveloped regions of the world, such as parts of sub-Saharan Africa, there is no sense of shame regarding the body because social structures are much flatter; people live more equitably, and no single individual is viewed as superior or more beautiful than another. In those societies, true equality prevails.

I think I got the main point across, which is that men don't want other guys checking out their hot women so they don't get desired!
Could totally be one reason for it!

But honestly, that second paragraph of yours just doesn't work no matter how you spin it!

African women often have sagging breasts, but then you look at women in Polynesia who don't cover up much yet they have incredible 👍

Native American women don't bother covering them either...

It’s funny, really—we Europeans took silk from the East and spices for the West, but we never quite managed to master the best trend of all: the fashion of being bare-chested... 👎

nimblewolf71 said:African women often have sagging breasts, but then you look at women in Polynesia who don't cover up much yet they have incredible 👍

Native American women don't bother covering them either...

It’s funny, really—we Europeans took silk from the East and spices for the West, but we never quite managed to master the best trend of all: the fashion of being bare-chested... 👎

We basically imported silk just so women could hide themselves; that's why those other cultures don't have it—they have a culture centered around being bare-chested...
anyway...😁

nimblewolf71 said:African women often have sagging breasts, but then you look at women in Polynesia who don't cover up much yet they have incredible 👍

Native American women don't bother covering them either...

It’s funny, really—we Europeans took silk from the East and spices for the West, but we never quite managed to master the best trend of all: the fashion of being bare-chested... 👎

And what’s truly infuriating is that bare female breasts aren't even officially classified as nudism, which suggests the legal system is actively pushing that specific agenda😁

Just more chauvinistic propaganda, clearly.☕
If people were walking around half-naked for five days straight, nobody would even think twice about covering up...
What is "shame," anyway? It’s just classic indoctrination and brainwashing. People claim they're too embarrassed to walk around with bare chests, yet they're perfectly fine being naked in their own living rooms.
We need to cut this nonsense out at the root.

It all stems from this mindset where women are treated like objects... or even just property...
...I mean, think about how things used to be. You couldn't even catch a glimpse of an ankle, let alone a knee. Even hair was treated like this forbidden subject of sexual fantasy, so women would cover it up with scarves. It’s similar to what you see with certain traditional religious groups or conservative communities here in the States—they still follow those old-school customs today. But then, the social role of women started shifting, and they began shedding those layers of fabric...
...As for breastfeeding, that's for nourishing my kids. I’ve done it in public whenever my baby needed it, and honestly, I don't lose any sleep over what strangers might think...

Then there's the whole plastic surgery thing, which is a whole different conversation. It’s what happens when the natural purpose of breasts is cast aside, and instead, they become artificial just to fit into this new mold... the mold of being a sexual object...

It feels more like alienation than liberation. Instead of truly finding freedom, women end up becoming objects that they themselves try to reshape, all because of the pressure from the society around them...

Sure, it isn't exactly a shock to see nudity these days (probably hasn't been for at least 30 years), 🤷but people still act like there's some deep philosophy behind it or that it's this "terrible thing." A bare breast 😱 will supposedly corrupt the morally upright 🤣 youth, or even adults for that matter.

Personally, I find sex scenes in movies a bit much... have you noticed how, especially in American films, 😁 women often engage in sex while still wearing bras? And they use those strange blankets where men are covered up to their stomachs while women are covered up to their necks 😬 😂

As for breastfeeding in public... I don't have a strong opinion on it, though I did have one awkward experience once. A friend of mine ended up in the hospital (nothing serious), and his wife came over to my place because she needed me to run an errand for him (she couldn't leave the baby). So we're sitting in my living room just chatting, and all of a sudden she says, "The baby is hungry." I 😬 fully expected her to grab a bottle or something, but instead, she pulls out the baby, and boom—she starts breastfeeding 😁 and the little one just goes for it. Man, it was so awkward; she acted like she was just using a bottle.
I honestly had to leave the room until she was finished...
Before she had the baby, she certainly wasn't exposing herself like that. 😬 🤣

@Aaron Anderson72 - I say you should be the catalyst for change and drop a pic of those bare breasts right here. 👍

This is just the typical introduction to all that American nonsense
In Europe, being topless was never some massive taboo, yet here we are with people acting like absolute fools, obsessed with it

And now, like total idiots, we’re dealing with this weird, parallel censorship targeting everything from toplessness to nude beaches

But top-free culture is, unfortunately 😢 😬 almost extinct over the last few years... I remember back in the 90s... you'd see people sunbathing topless practically everywhere 😁... lately, 🙂 it’s become quite rare, and even then, it’s usually just at some secluded beach or maybe an older woman 😢 👎

I have a feeling this isn't really a topic for psychology...

Why shouldn't it be... 🤷

Aaron Anderson72 said:Exactly! That's basically what I was saying earlier!

So, the big question is WHY DOES SOCIETY PUSH THIS???? So much has changed in the modern era, but this feels stuck in the Middle Ages!
I hear you... ☕

Where on earth is society pushing that, exactly? Or maybe you’re just living in some bubble that feels like the Dark Ages. Your theory doesn't really hold up to me.
Well, just look around. Everything is hyper-sexualized. Advertisements, the fashion industry, movies, endless amounts of adult content on every corner. Even when you go down to the beach in Florida, seeing people tanning in bikinis is just standard procedure now. Personally, I don't mind it one bit. 😁
Maybe it was like that back in the late 19th or early 20th century, but nowadays, sexual imagery is everywhere because sex sells everything. 😉
And there's another thing—why women "hide" their chests. Most wear bras for purely practical or health reasons. And honestly, it's probably for the best, otherwise everyone's chest would end up looking like those African women in the photo. 😉

Hot... almost every other scene... where exactly are you even going with this? 😬
The fact that there's sucking isn't even the biggest issue here; what really bothers me is that blatant, hypocritical morality. There’s nothing wrong with showing violence, torture, intimacy, or beatings in a movie... yet we reach this absurd point where a film features 53 deaths, 89 injuries, and at least 40 beatings, but somehow women can only have sex while wearing bras 😵

Just look at this dog...Anyway, my take is that if you've got a nice little two, three, or four, you might as well cover them up with some scraps of fabric. That way, you actually get the privilege of taking those same scraps off later...😲...wow, wow, grrr...

Aaron Anderson72 said:Why do they always blur or pixelate women's breasts on TV or in photos?

Or even worse, when you see a breast but the nipple is blurred out! 😕
It’s funny because men can show their nipples just fine, but women can't, even though it's basically the same thing!

Why is a breast treated like a "sexual organ"? It makes it seem like they're directly tied to sex and arousal, as if showing a breast is the same as showing genitals!

Besides, if breasts weren't considered taboo, they probably wouldn't be such a huge focus of male fantasy. (Some studies suggest that in parts of Africa where women walk around bare-chested, men aren't obsessed with them; they just see it as a symbol of femininity).
Plus, it feels like no other culture views breasts as sexual to the extreme extent that Western culture does!

I've seen how my girlfriends react when they see a woman breastfeeding! Women actually get shocked by it themselves. It's like people think it's something that should only happen in a bathroom, like using the toilet! Honestly, most women won't even try nursing a baby in public just to avoid being judged!

In many tribes, it's totally normal for women to show their breasts, and nobody thinks, "Oh my god, she's naked!"
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It’s also super interesting that a woman who doesn't have much of a chest—basically flat like a guy—still can't show her chest, while a man with gynecomastia can show his! So, it tells me it isn't about the breast itself, but rather the idea of a woman being "naked" or exposed!

I feel like we've gone WAY too far with hiding breasts. We turn them into this mysterious, exciting, hidden thing, when at the end of the day—it's just a breast. 🤔
I'm curious what you all think about this...
Why is it considered shameful for someone to see a breast (other than a partner)?
How did we even get to this point?
And why is breastfeeding in front of others supposed to be embarrassing?

I have my own theory that society hides breasts just to make them more sexually attractive, but I'd love to hear your thoughts...

Personally, I have absolutely no prejudice against being topless, so feel free to reach out and we can both enjoy your bare chest. 😍

hollowtrucker77 said:This is just the typical introduction to all that American nonsense
In Europe, being topless was never some massive taboo, yet here we are with people acting like absolute fools, obsessed with it

And now, like total idiots, we’re dealing with this weird, parallel censorship targeting everything from toplessness to nude beaches

Around here, you see people flashing everything while they lie through their teeth. Honestly, it's usually the old ladies doing it more than anyone who actually should... 👎

Exactly... most of those topless sunbathers are just older ladies in knee-high socks who probably shouldn't even be allowed to strip down by law. It actually reminds me of an ordinance I read about in a small town over in Italy a few years back, where they actually banned older, heavier women from sunbathing topless 😁 👍

That’s fine by me 👍
If I'm looking for someone topless, I want someone young and beautiful—a perfectly tanned Venus 🙂 😁 not some 65-year-old lady 👎

Look, I’ve hung out with nursing moms on several different occasions now, and honestly, I haven't seen even a hint of excitement or embarrassment from them
And as for that whole segment of society that treats breastfeeding as if it’s some kind of deviant behavior—well, I really shouldn't even bother saying what I actually think about those people

Well, damn... maybe you just haven't seen a 🙂 and 🙏 young mom 😍 nursing... then you might want to ask me about being 😉

From what I've seen, 99% of breastfeeding moms aren't exactly "HOT" 🙏 young moms 😁

I actually ran into one such lady once and UNKNOWN, I almost 😬 asked her, "Hey, is there any extra left? I'm feeling a bit hungry, so if it's not too much trouble..." 😁