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Grading Freshmen

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shadowcrane91 shadowcrane91 Active Member
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#581 ·
Jason Morgan said:That’s spot on. It’s almost always the parents who turn it into a tragedy.
Though, to be fair, kids do feel the weight because they know how much their parents will react to a bad grade.

I completely understand that feeling, but for the sake of the child, it’s probably best to just hide the grade from them, tell them they'll do better next time, and leave it at that.

Don't even worry about it....
I already told her we'd try again next time.
Honestly, I'm the one who felt super awkward about this whole thing...

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shadowcrane91 shadowcrane91 Active Member
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#582 ·
Jose Diaz3 said:I was one of those students who desperately needed to pass PE. I’ve always been clumsy; things like jump rope or even just basic coordination were never my forte.

I absolutely hated art class because creativity just isn't my thing. If my kid ends up being the same way and pulls a C in that subject, I'm perfectly fine with it. It feels like art, music, and PE are mostly there just to pad everyone's GPA so they can get an A. Honestly, these "elective" subjects should probably just be graded on participation rather than forcing a B or an A.

shadowcrane91, I’ve been following your updates since the start. I'm curious to hear what the teacher actually says today regarding why she received a C. From what I gathered, you're heading to the parent-teacher conference this afternoon.🙂

I have the conference tomorrow.
And hey, maybe she actually drew a sparrow or something.
Now I'm seriously curious.
I also think grading these subjects is kind of stupid because some kids just aren't talented, and since art and music are so tied to raw talent regardless of how hard you try, it basically just drags down their overall GPA, which is such a shame.

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feralmoose32 feralmoose32 Regular
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#583 ·
Back in my high school PE days, I was always getting top marks for things like jump shots, free throws, and all those various ball games we had to play.
Once, my coach handed me a basketball and told me I needed to practice shooting hoops for an entire hour straight—so there I was, just working away—and when the hour was up, she asked if I’d actually made any baskets. I had to admit I hadn't really sunk any, so she just gave me a couple of points for the effort... 🤣
But somehow, by the end of the school year, I still managed to walk away with an A... goodness knows how...
Robert Rodriguez9 Robert Rodriguez9 Active Member
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#584 ·
shadowcrane91 said:Don't even worry about it....
I already told her we'd try again next time.
Honestly, I'm the one who felt super awkward about this whole thing...

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That’s really good to hear, though unfortunately it doesn't happen often enough. I'm glad you noticed it and that you'll be able to handle things differently now that you know. 👍
Mine is still at the preschool stage, but I've caught myself many times realizing it's me reacting to things, not him.
silentraven6 silentraven6 Regular
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#585 ·
Regarding all this drama surrounding grading... you might actually be surprised by the fact that kids aren't so dim that they can't grasp what a 1-to-5 scale means without their parents holding their hands through it.

They end up measuring themselves solely by these raw numbers from day one, yet very few of them actually understand what those digits represent. Why? Because teachers spend way more time talking about grades and test scores with parents than they ever do with the students themselves.

The reality is that kids don't have a clear sense of why they’re even learning any of this stuff. They’re treated like empty vessels—things to be filled with facts, stripped of critical thinking, and given no real purpose behind the curriculum.

Just ask a kid why they need to memorize music theory pieces or what the point of certain art techniques is, or why they're being judged on how many strikes they missed in a drill.

They haven't a clue.

It just keeps going like this, where they learn to chase numbers instead of focusing on actual achievements, skills, or developing an opinion.

The whole system basically encourages conformity. It forces them to accept being treated like a blank slate, as if they don't already come to the classroom with their own lived experiences.
Jeremy Fowler45 Jeremy Fowler45 Member
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#586 ·
Tim Cook said:Getting an A isn't even my main goal here....
My priority is just helping my kid push through this struggle without her grades tanking across the board because of it. I’d much rather have that personalized support so we can tackle this ASAP, since it's starting to bleed into every other subject she takes...
She doesn't need straight As, but she definitely needs help.
And on top of struggling with reading and being slow at everything, now she's getting hit with a C in Art class too.
It's honestly making her feel so defeated

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I totally feel you.

And I think I'd react the exact same way..

Sometimes I get the feeling—maybe it's just me—that because of those issues with English, the value of her other grades is being dragged down too..
I'm not demanding perfection in PE, Art, or Tech Ed..
But I really want to know why she's pulling Cs or Bs in those classes.
I could live with it if she actually earned them, but it feels wrong if she's already struggling with literacy and then gets dinged in other subjects because of it...?
I truly believe this kind of thing just kills a kid's confidence and motivation, making them feel like they can't succeed at anything..
silentsurfer2 silentsurfer2 Member
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#587 ·
Jeremy Fowler45 said:I totally feel you.

And I think I'd react the exact same way..

Sometimes I get the feeling—maybe it's just me—that because of those issues with English, the value of her other grades is being dragged down too..
I'm not demanding perfection in PE, Art, or Tech Ed..
But I really want to know why she's pulling Cs or Bs in those classes.
I could live with it if she actually earned them, but it feels wrong if she's already struggling with literacy and then gets dinged in other subjects because of it...?
I truly believe this kind of thing just kills a kid's confidence and motivation, making them feel like they can't succeed at anything..

Why should they feel successful at something like jumping rope if they only get three jumps in while Mark gets twenty?
It's better for a kid to realize early on that success actually takes some damn work.
northerntiger9 northerntiger9 Active Member
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#588 ·
My instructor threatened to fail me in PE because I couldn't finish the 1.2 miles sprint on time—which is a bit much considering I have asthma 🙂. I went to see the school nurse to ask for an accommodation, but instead of getting help with my PE requirements, they just pushed me into some "corrective gymnastics" class. I can't catch a ball to save my life—not with my strabismus making everything look flat rather than 3D—but she didn't seem to care about that.

The grading for this subject should be based on individual effort and personal progress, not these rigid, absolute standards. For me, showing actual progress would simply mean being able to run a mile or two without stopping. I would have been grateful if they had at least offered to teach me how to run properly or breathe correctly—something to get me moving and away from a desk.
Lawrence Torres56 Lawrence Torres56 Active Member
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#589 ·
silentsurfer2 said:It’s not "great," it’s just passing. If an average kid puts in average effort, they get a C.
What kind of logic is that? You give an A to the kid who followed every single instruction, then give a B to the kid who forgot to draw the chimney, the kid who used the wrong technique, and the kid who held the paper sideways and drew a sparrow in flight instead of a stork on the roof. You either penalize the kid with the B because they're getting the same grade as someone who was rushing and sloppy, or you bump the kid with the missing chimney to an A, which isn't fair to the student who was actually top-tier.

That mindset starts at home. If nobody tells a kid that mediocre grades mean they'll likely end up in a low-tier high school and eventually settle for a dead-end job, they'll never learn.

I'm worried you didn't quite catch my drift,
if a grade is a C (just okay), then it's only right to tell the kid that, right? You shouldn't be telling them that a C is "excellent"... and if they got a B just because they missed a chimney, you have to explain that to them, because let's face it, half the houses in this neighborhood don't even have chimneys anymore, so why does it even matter to the kid?
You can't just drop grades on a kid without explaining the "why" behind them, because if you do, they'll never actually figure out where they went wrong...

This kind of mindset starts at home, honestly; if nobody points out to a kid that coasting with Cs might land them in a lower-tier high school and lead to, you know, a less competitive career path.

Not necessarily,
our teacher back in first grade used to have this habit of trying to comfort kids who burst into tears over a bad grade... and even today, people still call her out for saying grades aren't important, though of course, she always leaves out the part about how the actual knowledge—which is what those grades represent—is what really matters...
Now, I'm not saying she does it maliciously, but she clearly isn't thinking about the underlying message she's sending in those moments... which she's actually admitted herself.
silentsurfer2 silentsurfer2 Member
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#590 ·
Aha, I get it now. I'm with you on this one—that teacher totally blew it.
crimsonfox26 crimsonfox26 Member
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#591 ·
frupy said:Exactly, there was zero guidance or preparation beforehand.
That’s mostly because there wasn't some crushing societal mandate that everyone had to maintain a straight-A average.

Back then, being a poor reader wasn't treated as an outlier after elementary school.
Dyslexia was just called "having trouble reading,"
dysgraphia was just "messy handwriting,"
and dyscalculia basically meant someone was just "bad at math."

Now we have all these formal diagnoses and individualized education programs and various accommodations, yet the hunger for perfect grades has never been more intense.

It’s a bit of an oxymoron that ultimately leads to total chaos. ☕

In my generation, we still had kids struggling with reading in middle school. And we actually had decent teachers.

Afrika paprika said:The way people talk about art class is like saying, "I'm not prejudiced, I just think certain groups should be segregated."
If a kid gets a C, there shouldn't be this massive drama surrounding it; they're going to see plenty of Cs in their life, and the sooner they accept that reality, the better.

Moving away from art class, but staying on the topic of grading, I wanted to comment on how some parents act.
It happened again recently. I ran into a parent who looked absolutely horrified telling me her first grader got a C in science. A C in science! 😲 She pointed at herself like, "Look at what I'm dealing with, I'm still recovering from the shock."

The kid hops into the car—doesn't even bother to say hello, zero manners—while she lectures him right in front of me about how he needs to study harder and fix his grade, blah blah blah. It’s like he learned the whole lecture by heart.

It really isn't surprising that kids are obsessed with getting A's when that's what their parents force on them. 🙂
I'm not saying everyone is like this—thank God there are sensible people out there—but examples certainly exist... like this one I met today.
frozenrider15 frozenrider15 Active Member
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#592 ·
Since we’re talking about grading physical education and home workout routines, let me tell you about my kid's summer. We spent the whole break jumping rope, playing catch, running drills, and doing hopscotch. This year, she even tried attempting forward rolls on the bed. And honestly? Despite all that effort, she’s completely uncoordinated—it's like she has two left feet and two left hands. She can barely manage two, maybe three jumps with a rope before she loses her rhythm 😵. As for those forward rolls, she still needs help, and single-leg hops require an exhausting amount of concentration. The only thing she’s actually mastered is throwing a ball.
She isn't flexible at all. To be blunt, I won't be surprised when her PE grades drop to Cs or Ds. Right now, her marks are fine, but how long can you expect hard work to pay off when the results just aren't there? I'm prepared to sit her down and explain that failing a forward roll doesn't matter, but showing up and giving it her best during gym class does.
Her motivation isn't being killed by the grades yet, because they're still decent, but she knows deep down that athletics isn't her thing. She hates it. She watches other kids nail these moves and realizes she just can't. I can't stop that comparison, though. It’s like when she comes home with a C and starts comparing herself to Kate, who always pulls an A. The world is cold like that; everyone has their own lane.
Drew Johnson2 Drew Johnson2 Active Member
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#593 ·
My boy ended up with an F in art class simply because he forgot to sign his name on the back of his assignment... 😁

I honestly thought he was pulling my leg, at least until his teacher confirmed the whole ridiculous situation
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As for PE, getting Cs or Ds is pretty much par for the course around here, even though he’s been training in martial arts for ages and is actually quite talented at it; unfortunately, since the school lacks a proper gym, the curriculum just devolves into playing with a ball, and our coach is—well, let's just say he's about as useful as a screen door on a submarine 😁.

Personally, from fifth grade all the way through high school graduation, I only ever walked away with three Cs in physical education regardless of how hard I pushed myself, so these little grading mishaps don't really faze me one bit...
silentraven6 silentraven6 Regular
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#594 ·
I wouldn't even dream of touching anyone if the way these savings accounts are structured was any different.

Seriously, not a single soul.

And honestly, nobody would care if they lost their damn minds if these assets weren't being graded and scrutinized like this.

There's always going to be a few unstable types running around, no matter what.
Sarah Hall53 Sarah Hall53 Regular
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#595 ·
But honestly, those grades from first through fourth grade don't even matter for high school admissions. They only look at what happened in fifth through eighth—and even then, they usually just glance back at the last couple of years. Before that change, it was strictly just seventh and eighth grade.
And yet, the panic is exactly the same from first grade all the way up to eighth. 🤷
Susan James Susan James Veteran
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#596 ·
frozenrider15 said:Since we’re talking about grading physical education and home workout routines, let me tell you about my kid's summer. We spent the whole break jumping rope, playing catch, running drills, and doing hopscotch. This year, she even tried attempting forward rolls on the bed. And honestly? Despite all that effort, she’s completely uncoordinated—it's like she has two left feet and two left hands. She can barely manage two, maybe three jumps with a rope before she loses her rhythm 😵. As for those forward rolls, she still needs help, and single-leg hops require an exhausting amount of concentration. The only thing she’s actually mastered is throwing a ball.
She isn't flexible at all. To be blunt, I won't be surprised when her PE grades drop to Cs or Ds. Right now, her marks are fine, but how long can you expect hard work to pay off when the results just aren't there? I'm prepared to sit her down and explain that failing a forward roll doesn't matter, but showing up and giving it her best during gym class does.
Her motivation isn't being killed by the grades yet, because they're still decent, but she knows deep down that athletics isn't her thing. She hates it. She watches other kids nail these moves and realizes she just can't. I can't stop that comparison, though. It’s like when she comes home with a C and starts comparing herself to Kate, who always pulls an A. The world is cold like that; everyone has their own lane.

There's a big difference between comparing who runs faster or who hits the target better in gym class versus comparing who gets an A or a C because of it.
The first kind of comparison is totally normal and actually pretty healthy; it can motivate a kid to improve or help them accept their weak spots while leaning into their strengths.
The second kind is just pointless.

I’ve mentioned this several times in different threads, but I truly feel that grading in elementary school is mostly unnecessary. These are basic life skills that kids need to master regardless of whether they get a grade or not—not just for future schooling, but for real life. Since grading exists, though, it really bothers me when teachers grade based on things like effort or simply bringing in the right supplies. This happens even in subjects like PE or Art, which, as far as I know, carry the same weight as Math or English.
If a kid gets graded just for consistently bringing their gym clothes, why aren't they getting graded in Math for always having their notebook, textbook, and workbook ready? Or their pencils and pencil case? In Math, you actually have to demonstrate that you understand the material to get a grade.

As for Art, there’s another issue. Kids often get constant praise in other subjects (especially Foreign Language or Religion)—things like "Bravo!" or "That's a lovely drawing" or just straight As. But then, when they get an Art assignment where they aren't just decorating something or illustrating a text, but actually have to execute a specific task from start to finish, they end up with a C or a B because they didn't follow the instructions perfectly, even if the drawing itself looks amazing.
Also, I don't quite get why Art projects get displayed on the walls (where kids are basically practicing certain techniques) while we never see Math worksheets or practice sheets for learning how to write a letter 'Z' posted up there.
silentraven6 silentraven6 Regular
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#597 ·
Look, I’m right there with you. I’m against all the smiley face stickers and the constant sticker charts—everything about how they handle rewards through the end of elementary school. It should be mandatory to stop this stuff.

I just want a school system that actually teaches kids how to think. One that prepares them for the future by encouraging them to see the big picture behind the numbers, rather than just memorizing formulas.

We need real external evaluations. Not just for the students, but for the teachers, the principals, and the entire administrative staff...

But honestly? That sounds like a total utopia.
shadowcrane91 shadowcrane91 Active Member
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#598 ·
Update on the grading situation:
The technique was fine, but since the nest looked a bit smaller than what they were looking for, she gave me a 3.
The teacher was expecting this massive nest on the chimney, but mine ended up being way under the expected size (she even told me herself it looked small)....
Anyway, I didn't get any real explanation out of her....
Now I’m starting to think it wasn't actually a big enough deal to warrant a C....
But whatever....

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Robert Rodriguez9 Robert Rodriguez9 Active Member
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#599 ·
Doesn't sound like much of a three to me either, unless we're talking about some tiny little deer you can barely see behind a massive chimney in the foreground. 🤷 Stuff like this—composition, lighting, all that—is pretty subjective. A professor once told me that
shadowcrane91 shadowcrane91 Active Member
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#600 ·
It’s not actually that small, haha...
But whatever... it is what it is at this point.
I pointed out that if they're basing the grade on rod dimensions alone, it doesn't seem particularly fair to me...
She didn't even say anything back.

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