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Why do I always have to be right?

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Participants hollowtinker18Alex Patel96mellowjackal76Jose Kern6Kyle Newman5vividbear4George Alvarez3cosmictinker21casualharbor9urbanpilot36
hollowtinker18 hollowtinker18 Active MemberOP
120 messages
joined Sep 2011
#1 ·
Why does this forum turn into such a toxic mess of ego trips every other day?
Why is everyone so obsessed with winning an argument at any cost?
Why the desperate need to play the smartest guy in the room just to tear someone else down?
Is looking brilliant really the only thing that matters here?
And why all the petty gossip? It’s clearly just a way for weak people to mask their own flaws by dragging others through the mud.
Or maybe it’s just because disagreeing with someone triggers a sudden barrage of insults and cheap ad hominem attacks.
What's the deal?
Are we just wired this way—treating every single conversation like some kind of zero-sum game?
Alex Patel96 Alex Patel96 Active Member
139 messages
joined Apr 2009
#2 ·
I wouldn't call this a competition. At least, it doesn't feel that way to me. I've noticed time and again that if I just state my piece—clearly stating that ja am simply expressing moje own opinion—people immediately jump down my throat. It’s like they’re desperate to force their worldview on everyone else. Honestly, I have no clue what drives that kind of aggression. 🤷

Look, I’ll swing back if I have to. But I never start the fight.
mellowjackal76 mellowjackal76 Newcomer
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joined Dec 2009
#3 ·
Trying to force your opinion on everyone else is just so passé. Most of those people are just shouting platitudes and clichés about things they barely understand—honestly, no matter how much they rant, I couldn't care less. I’ve accepted that truth is pretty much relative, and I'm certainly never under the illusion that I'm 100% right 🙂
Jose Kern6 Jose Kern6 Newcomer
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joined Dec 2009
#4 ·
Alex Patel96 said:I wouldn't call this a competition. At least, it doesn't feel that way to me. I've noticed time and again that if I just state my piece—clearly stating that ja am simply expressing moje own opinion—people immediately jump down my throat. It’s like they’re desperate to force their worldview on everyone else. Honestly, I have no clue what drives that kind of aggression. 🤷

Look, I’ll swing back if I have to. But I never start the fight.

👍 👍 You basically stole the words right out of my mouth—I’m doing the exact same thing, just sharing my thoughts, and if someone decides to get aggressive about it, then yeah, I’m hitting back. I'm not about to let anyone push me around.
Kyle Newman5 Kyle Newman5 Newcomer
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joined Dec 2009
#5 ·
I’ve always been the type to say exactly what’s on my mind. To be honest, I don't give a damn whether people on this forum think my takes are brilliant or complete nonsense; it's my opinion, and I'll never apologize for it. That said, if someone decides to come at me, I'm going to hit back—especially when they adopt that condescending, "know-it-all" tone, acting like they're explaining basic concepts to a toddler. Being "right" is entirely subjective; what works for me might not work for you, but it absolutely drives my blood pressure through the roof when someone insists their perspective is the only valid one. When that happens, I tend to get a little more aggressive with my replies.
Jose Kern6 Jose Kern6 Newcomer
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joined Dec 2009
#6 ·
...it’s not just a thing I do here on the forums—I’m like this everywhere. If I lay out my thoughts clearly and politely, and someone decides to come at me—like you did, hollowtinker18, back in that other thread—well, I’m going to push back. I don't just let people walk all over me just because they took offense to an opinion I expressed in good faith... ☕
Kyle Newman5 Kyle Newman5 Newcomer
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joined Dec 2009
#7 ·
Jose Kern6 said:...it’s not just a thing I do here on the forums—I’m like this everywhere. If I lay out my thoughts clearly and politely, and someone decides to come at me—like you did, hollowtinker18, back in that other thread—well, I’m going to push back. I don't just let people walk all over me just because they took offense to an opinion I expressed in good faith... ☕

Some people have this "authoritative" streak (I'm not quite sure how else to put it) and simply cannot afford to be wrong in anything they do. For instance, when I'm working with a group, whether consciously or not, I tend to step into a leadership role. Some people actually appreciate that, but it comes with a massive amount of responsibility. If I slip up or make a mistake, it's not just on me—it affects everyone involved. That's why I feel such a deep-seated need to be right.
I always try to state my views in a reasonable and civil manner, but sometimes the person listening perceives it as me trying to force my opinion on them, even though that was never my intention.
vividbear4 vividbear4 Newcomer
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joined Dec 2009
#8 ·
hollowtinker18 said:Why does this forum turn into such a toxic mess of ego trips every other day?
Why is everyone so obsessed with winning an argument at any cost?
Why the desperate need to play the smartest guy in the room just to tear someone else down?
Is looking brilliant really the only thing that matters here?
And why all the petty gossip? It’s clearly just a way for weak people to mask their own flaws by dragging others through the mud.
Or maybe it’s just because disagreeing with someone triggers a sudden barrage of insults and cheap ad hominem attacks.
What's the deal?
Are we just wired this way—treating every single conversation like some kind of zero-sum game?

It's because, honestly, there isn't much of a culture of actual discussion in our society. People tend to see any disagreement with their logic as a personal attack or a reason to start a fight.

We should be able to agree to disagree, and my truth doesn't have to be yours. 🙂
George Alvarez3 George Alvarez3 Member
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joined Sep 2008
#9 ·
vividbear4 said:It's because, honestly, there isn't much of a culture of actual discussion in our society. People tend to see any disagreement with their logic as a personal attack or a reason to start a fight.

We should be able to agree to disagree, and my truth doesn't have to be yours. 🙂

Spot on observation. I basically proved this point last week when I was playing devil's advocate between two sides, pointing out flaws in both arguments. Turns out, I ended up leaning slightly toward one side here and the other side there—and according to them, that’s impossible. Pure logic, right?

But it's totally possible.
cosmictinker21 cosmictinker21 Active Member
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joined Jan 2009
#10 ·
just some guy getting baptized by a priest🙂☕
hollowtinker18 hollowtinker18 Active MemberOP
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#11 ·
Jose Kern6 said:...it’s not just a thing I do here on the forums—I’m like this everywhere. If I lay out my thoughts clearly and politely, and someone decides to come at me—like you did, hollowtinker18, back in that other thread—well, I’m going to push back. I don't just let people walk all over me just because they took offense to an opinion I expressed in good faith... ☕

Look, I didn't attack you. Where exactly are you seeing an attack? If anything, the moderator seemed encouraged by how much you've improved with your patients, or at least that's how it looked. I wasn't playing favorites; I just stepped in because I thought you were wrong.
Jose Kern6 Jose Kern6 Newcomer
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#12 ·
hollowtinker18 said:Look, I didn't attack you. Where exactly are you seeing an attack? If anything, the moderator seemed encouraged by how much you've improved with your patients, or at least that's how it looked. I wasn't playing favorites; I just stepped in because I thought you were wrong.

So, you asked me three different times which ward I was stationed at, but I already told you—I've never been there. And as for "making progress," maybe I'm being a little provocative, sure, but that's usually a good thing—and I've already made it clear that I genuinely want these people to get better and find some peace.
hollowtinker18 hollowtinker18 Active MemberOP
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joined Sep 2011
#13 ·
Honestly, this corner of the internet is the absolute worst. People here judge you based on your political affiliation, your military background, your ethnicity, or just who you plan to vote for. If you even dare to suggest that Washington, D.C. should have done more during the fight for St. Louis, they immediately pivot to ad hominem attacks and other nonsense. And the kicker? One of the moderators actually encourages all this because they’re part of the same inner circle.
hollowtinker18 hollowtinker18 Active MemberOP
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joined Sep 2011
#14 ·
Jose Kern6... look, you're new here. I just don't want to go back to that topic. If you really think you're right, fine by me. Whatever.
Jose Kern6 Jose Kern6 Newcomer
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joined Dec 2009
#15 ·
hollowtinker18 said:Jose Kern6... look, you're new here. I just don't want to go back to that topic. If you really think you're right, fine by me. Whatever.

Look, nobody is "right" here. Right about what, exactly? I was just stating my two cents regarding that topic and how these kinds of forums operate—that's all there is to it. It's all good.
hollowtinker18 hollowtinker18 Active MemberOP
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joined Sep 2011
#16 ·
Hey, you realize why you just got slapped with a yellow card, right? If you keep racking them up, you're looking at a temporary ban.
If you're lost, go ahead and actually read the forum rules for once.
Jose Kern6 Jose Kern6 Newcomer
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joined Dec 2009
#17 ·
hollowtinker18 said:Hey, you realize why you just got slapped with a yellow card, right? If you keep racking them up, you're looking at a temporary ban.
If you're lost, go ahead and actually read the forum rules for once.

I mean, I get how the system works—but I don't quite follow why I'm the only one getting flagged. Other people over there are using all kinds of language and basically insulting each other left and right, yet they haven't seen a single card... I guess it's because I was calling out the forum itself. They probably don't write with this much detail, and since they don't like hearing it, they just slap a card on me... whatever, it's fine. I'm not going to dwell on it, mostly because I'd rather not pick up another one.🙂
hollowtinker18 hollowtinker18 Active MemberOP
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joined Sep 2011
#18 ·
Looks like you skipped the forum rules. Let’s not clog up this thread by acting like it's just a private chat between us.
It’s honestly exhausting when someone gets presented with clear facts proving them wrong, but instead of admitting they messed up, they go straight for cheap shots to discredit you. They're just terrified of looking stupid in front of everyone.
casualharbor9 casualharbor9 Active Member
168 messages
joined Feb 2010
#19 ·
hollowtinker18 said:Why does this forum turn into such a toxic mess of ego trips every other day?
Why is everyone so obsessed with winning an argument at any cost?
Why the desperate need to play the smartest guy in the room just to tear someone else down?
Is looking brilliant really the only thing that matters here?
And why all the petty gossip? It’s clearly just a way for weak people to mask their own flaws by dragging others through the mud.
Or maybe it’s just because disagreeing with someone triggers a sudden barrage of insults and cheap ad hominem attacks.
What's the deal?
Are we just wired this way—treating every single conversation like some kind of zero-sum game?

You’ve certainly used these, uh, rhetorical questions to shine a light on the darker corners of this forum and, frankly, human communication in general. I have to admit, I fall into some of these traps myself; sometimes I start acting like a know-it-all, even though I generally try to respect my interlocutors—even when I'm convinced they're wrong (or so I think). But when someone takes a cheap shot at me out of pure spite, I get the sudden urge to hit back twice as hard. I guess those instincts still kick in sometimes. I'll try to keep this post in mind for the future, though.
Thanks, Zacko. (though I really should consider getting a new keyboard at this rate)
urbanpilot36 urbanpilot36 Newcomer
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joined May 2009
#20 ·
hollowtinker18 said:Why does this forum turn into such a toxic mess of ego trips every other day?
Why is everyone so obsessed with winning an argument at any cost?
Why the desperate need to play the smartest guy in the room just to tear someone else down?
Is looking brilliant really the only thing that matters here?
And why all the petty gossip? It’s clearly just a way for weak people to mask their own flaws by dragging others through the mud.
Or maybe it’s just because disagreeing with someone triggers a sudden barrage of insults and cheap ad hominem attacks.
What's the deal?
Are we just wired this way—treating every single conversation like some kind of zero-sum game?

Some people just can't bring themselves to admit when they've made a mistake, and I suppose that's just how it is. But eventually, they'll probably have to face the truth and make sense of things for themselves. 😁

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